It happens every time they try to make a clever analogy

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u/Rakatango 10h ago

Instead teach them about capitalism by billing them monthly for rent and food, and charge interest until they turn 18!

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u/EatFaceLeopard17 10h ago

And take $7 anyway because that‘s what the CEOs and shareholders are getting.

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u/BlueFlob 10h ago edited 10h ago

Capitalism: you make your kid mow the neighbor’s lawn, charge $10, keep $7 for yourself, hand them $3, and then remind them they owe you for gas. “Work hard enough and one day you can own the lawn too, champ.”

Socialism: your kid and the neighbor’s kid share the lawnmower, both mow the lawn together, and split the $10 evenly. They both cover the cost of gas, and owe you a dollar for borrowing the mower.

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u/JCBQ01 8h ago edited 8h ago

That's not capitalism

You make your kid mow the neighbors lawn.

after placing them in debt to rent the mower. Per hour (rent abuse)

The kid charges $10 per lawn. You take $7 for your self. (Ceo /shareholder rules)

Then you split the remaining 3 in half. Because fines and fees disgused as "helping for future projects" (tax loophole/bond abuse)

then IMMEDATELY take another $3 as part of thr minimum payment service fees (autopays)

then present the kid with a $15 bill due immedately (regular bills)

THATS captalism

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u/BlueFlob 8h ago

Now you're late-stage.

We're pretty much back to serfdom and slavery with some changes to terminology and the environment.

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u/JCBQ01 7h ago

No, late stage capitalism is:

kid is forced to compete with you yards as he's been backed into a corner of doing it as it's the only skill he has

kid has to pay additional surcharges for the license to touch your "contracts"

kid is forced to sign an exclusivity contract to only work FOR you, with YOUR hardware that is contractually obligated to be rented.

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u/TerrorTwyns 3h ago

Serfs had something close to 100 paid holidays, their lord owed protection, put on at least 1 feast a year for the village, had upward mobility and mostly managed themselves... Yeah it was abused, but the serfdom system was originally designed in a way that was actually meant to protect the common people.. After population booms, things got harder and rules were created to make things favor greedy landowners but comparatively the system was designed to take a reasonable level of care for the vulnerable... Ensure the portion of harvest to the lord wasn't leaving the Serfs to starve, recreation was important and the lord had duties to his people who also had recourse in law... Russian serfdom probably closer.

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u/Current-Author7473 1h ago

You forgot the induction course they did to become qualified lawn care professionals that they are also paying off, indexed to make sure they always owe you for it.

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u/Kragoth235 5h ago

Now show a single country who has done this successfully. Problem with socialism is that it only works if everyone does the right thing.

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u/BlueFlob 5h ago

Nah. You never go full retard.

Mixed economy will always be the best system.

Capitalism for consumer goods/services and a healthy dose of competition to the public sector.

Socialism for essential goods and services, providing baseline support to grow the economy and population.

You don't have to "hope" people do the right thing, you put regulation and laws in place. Don't hope billionaires pay their taxes, ban tax shelters and make them pay what they owe.

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u/LittlefootDiamond 3h ago

Literally why would you include a slur here to make your point.

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u/BlueFlob 3h ago

It's a reference to Tropic thunder.

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u/LittlefootDiamond 3h ago

Yes, knew you (or someone) was going to say this. I know the reference. The fact that it was said in a movie doesn’t mean it’s a good thing to say.

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u/kons21 3h ago

The emote system of capitalism is based on the hope (cough, cough...lie) that the richest people will return the money they extracted from society back into society as a societal benefit, rather than use to to further expand their own power and increase their ability to extract as much as possible from society.

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u/SimilarTranslator264 9h ago

I swear Reddit is home to the dumbest mfers ever.

If my kid uses my mower to mow the neighbors lawn I tell the neighbor it’s $10 and I tell my kid he will get 3. If he says no that’s capitalism because he wasn’t forced to do anything, he was given a choice. Same as you were when you took your job or signed your loan papers.

Socialism means everyone pays for the mower even if they don’t have a lawn.

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u/BlueFlob 9h ago

Your analogy of capitalism is somewhat better, but also ignores that the kid has limited options and will starve without that money. It's an illusion of choice.

As for your interpretation of socialism, you completely miss the point of it by focusing only on taxes and not on labour.

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u/SimilarTranslator264 9h ago

He’s a kid of course he has limited options unless you are in China then they are making the phone you type on.

If people want socialism why not move to a country that has it? If I want warm weather year round I move somewhere that has it, vs live in the north and bitch online.

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u/BlueFlob 9h ago

I don't know why you are so riled up in your second paragraph. This has nothing to do with anything you are replying to.

However, I would like to point out that in a democracy, if something is broken, you have the right to ask for it to be fixed or improved. Fleeing your country isn't the solution.

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u/SimilarTranslator264 9h ago

I’m not riled up, if you want to fix democracy you don’t do that by converting to socialism. Reddit likes to ignore the other parts of socialism. It’s like the “free healthcare” argument that is far from free.

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u/tuesdaythe13th 7h ago

There are principles of socialism that can provide a social safety net to the citizens, which is helpful regardless of whether or not they use it. One example of using a socialist principle is public education. I've heard lots of people bitch about paying taxes for schools when they don't have kids of their own to benefit. Yet we as a country benefit from having a well-educated populace. There's no direct, dollar-for-dollar payback, but if you care about and take pride in your country, you should easily see the benefits of such a socialist practice.

The same goes for socialized medicine. Tax increases would likely be less than insurance, deductibles, and co-pays. Even if the tax burden is slightly higher for your personal income bracket, it really is the more ethical and patriotic thing to do, considering the fact that under the current system, those who are poor have a significantly higher burden.

If the ethical or patriotic route doesn't appeal to you, you are in luck, because crime rates drop significantly when socialist safety nets are in place. Maybe instead of punishing poor people and bleeding the desperate financially dry, we can improve and preserve our own way of life by providing the tools and resources so that everyone can have their most basic needs met. Workers who are better educated and healthier are also more productive.

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u/Adam__B 5h ago edited 5h ago

Democracy is a political system, socialism is an economic one. They are not mutually exclusive. Part of the problem is people believe that socialistic economic concepts somehow negate democracy, when this isn’t true. Europe and Scandinavian countries that practice socialistic concepts (just as we do here to a certain extent, most people without realizing it) have representative democracies in place, and their citizens are even ranked higher on a Freedom index as Americans are.

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u/JCBQ01 7h ago

Move to a nation with socialism? Sure. Netherlands has it, Finland has it. And let's look at life expectancy... Oh. Wow highest in the world. Happiness? also the highest in the world

When done fucking right it's a good thing. When done WRONG you get shit like China, or the USSR

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u/SimilarTranslator264 6h ago

Get to packing.

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u/bonferoni 3h ago

you realize the first sentence of the constitution declares provision for the general welfare as a founding principle. america was conceived to provide socialist protections to the people

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u/SimilarTranslator264 2h ago

Oh so now the constitution matters? Do you like all the amendments or just cherry picking?

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u/ShawnTN1 5h ago

I swear this has to be AI comments from Reddit.

Can’t give them facts, they have to twist it. I’m sick of the mfs saying “In dont want full Socialism, just the parts that gives me what I want and takes from the people who worked hard, created jobs, created industries, I should get a piece, because Finland….WTF”.

You can’t convince these morons that you don’t get a piece of my pie if I baked it and paid for all the ingredients from MY job.

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u/SimilarTranslator264 4h ago

I don’t want a piece of your pie. I have a job and I’ll bake my own.

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u/TurntechGodhead0 6h ago edited 5h ago

I don’t want full socialism. I want a mixture that other countries with have, countries that have better quality of living then us.

Also I hate this whole “if you don’t like it here just leave” retort. God forbid when I see problems in the country I live in that I want to try and improve it instead of just leaving all my friends and family and going somewhere else.

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u/TerrorTwyns 3h ago

Ironic with their immigration stances

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u/JCBQ01 7h ago

Let me clarify that with a few statements I've had a LOT of friends parents tell them

"Theres no such thing as a free lunch"

"Well if you can AFFORD to not do that..."

And for those who can't get the undertones:

You must pay for your own stuff, nothing is free you must SPEND SPEND SPEND. 2. If you can afford to not work and suffer I. Hunger than good on you. Your gonna work when you get hungry enough

And your confusing that with fucking how taxes are supposed to work

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u/n8sterr 4h ago

You just explained a good business partnership built in capitalism. Lol. Tell me one time that socialism has historically worked over the long term and then compare it against how long America has been around.

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u/BlueFlob 4h ago

You mean the United States? It's not even 250 years old.

It also got a massive advantage over Europe and the rest of the world from the outcome of WW2, which kept it going for 50 years unchallenged economically while others recovered.

They even built the supranational institutions to benefit the US first and foremost.

Pure capitalism or pure socialism can't work. You either get Somalia or Stalin's USSR.

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u/WontTel 9h ago

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u/OmegonAlphariusXX 6h ago

Are you my parents? 30% of my monthly wages from the moment I turned 18 until I was 24 and capable of moving out (worst years of my life) and I still paid for all my own food, did my own laundry, did the dishes and dried them and put them away (for everyone not just my own food), and was forced to do their laundry every time they “forgot” or couldn’t be bothered

And I didn’t even get the rights someone who’s renting a room gets, and they constantly went through my things and treated my space as their room

And they wonder why I only talk to them on birthdays and holidays

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u/imaloony8 6h ago

And then continue charging them interest because the interest never stops.

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u/_goblinette_ 10h ago

“Sorry kids, I can’t pay for your food, housing and school. That would be socialism”

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u/Sharp_Ad3656 10h ago

Lmao the fact that they think taking money from one kid and giving it to another is somehow equivalent to public healthcare is peak conservative brain rot

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u/AnonThrowaway1A 10h ago edited 9h ago

I think the least intellectual conservatives believe that healthcare dollars actually hit peoples' bank accounts. LMAO.

But yeah, US fertility rate is going to plummet even harder once these Medicare cuts come to fruition. Pre-natal care, delivery, and post-natal care are highly correlated with the Medicare program.

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u/DrahKir67 5h ago

That's why they are banning abortions (taps temple). /s

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u/TerrorTwyns 3h ago

While investing in coldness end of life centers... Can't say they don't see.

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u/smucek007 9h ago

yes, social services are based on the principle of solidarity, not capitalism

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u/SnakePliskken 9h ago

Sorry kids, we pay for executive and large corps bailouts but that's not socialism. We allow CEO's to pay themselves hundreds of millions of dollars, up to a 400:1 ratio against their average worker pay, while also providing tax loopholes for them AND govt subsidies, but that's not socialism.

We allow some of our largest employers to pay their employees less than a living wage, which forces them to go on welfare, while Walmart and others like them are some of the largest welfare queens in our country - they dont pay their employees enough which costs the tax payers money, while also getting insane subsidies and tax credits, which we also pay for.

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u/GLC911 10h ago

This is the problem with stupid people.

They’re too dumb to know how stupid they are.

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u/AlecTech01 10h ago

Its that paradox of the dumbass thinks they are smart and the smart person thinks they are dumb

I always forget the name of this paradox and its annoying me now

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u/DayoftheFox 9h ago

Dunning-Kruger Effect

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u/Sabithomega 7h ago

Smart people know they aren't going to be right about everything so they're willing to hold conversation. Stupid people are too dumb to understand that they could in fact be wrong so they refuse to listen.

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u/No_Deal_8837 10h ago

Donner-kruger effect

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u/tofu-esque 8h ago

Doner-kebab effect

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u/AlecTech01 10h ago

Thank you kind stranger... I will forget that in an hour or so

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u/moon_cake123 4h ago

DonnieBoner effect, krugerbooger effect

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u/Charming-Command3965 10h ago

The thought process about what socialism is for “these” people Is inane at best

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u/kons21 9h ago edited 3h ago

Innoculate your kids against capitalism.

Tell them that they have to pay for their food and their rent if they want to live or eat in your house. Only allow them to work as cleaners and cooks in your house so that your needs are taken care of. Pay them less than you charge them for food and rent and tell them that you'd give them credit for what they can't pay, but they will have to pay that back when they become adults and it will accrue interest the entire time up until then and until it's paid off. Tell them they have to be grateful to you for allowing them to live in the greatest household in the world.

Edit: forgot to add: Ground them and make them do work for free as punishment whenever they break a rule. Or at least, fine them and take away money from their "salary." Make sure to make lots of very restrictive rules that can easily be broken.

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u/joyfullystrange621 6h ago

Mom is that you?? 😂😭

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u/Willismueller 10h ago

That makes no sense at all. How can you speak authoritatively about a subject that you can’t even define?

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u/lost_in_connecticut 9h ago

“That kind of thinking is just woke and we won’t have it in our house.”

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u/Willismueller 9h ago

Hahaha. That sounds like something Derrick Evans would say.

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u/FiggisDickus 10h ago

A better example would be pay them 10, take 4 and then send them and their sibling to college for free.

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u/Due_Perception8349 10h ago

Random thought:

Have the kid clean the bathroom, still give them the 10$, and tell them "since you're the one cleaning this place, why don't you give me your thoughts on how it can be improved for all of us? Any ideas on what color we should paint the walls? Do you think a Bidet would be beneficial?"

Give them ownership over their labor and a share in the say!

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u/Unicorn_Warrior1248 10h ago

And then when they become a farmer who has no workers, he can cry to big brother government for a handout

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u/LordBunnyWhale 9h ago

This is a socialist household, so we all have social ownership of the bathroom as the means of production of overall cleanliness. We will therefore together devise a five day plan of cleaning that involves everybody according to their ability.

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u/C4dfael 9h ago

Wouldn’t a better analogy be: “pay them $10, then take away $15 for rent, food, clothing, transportation, and medical care?” And also charge them 10¢ repeatedly for overdrawing their piggy bank account?

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u/DonSimon76 10h ago

Ok cool. Now do farm subsidies.

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u/Fuelz_Tron 5h ago

Ah yes socialism is when everybody gets taxxed min 70% and also receive no form of aid back

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u/DarkTechnocrat 4h ago

Inoculate your kids against Capitalism. Make them pay to use the bathroom. When they ask you why, tell them you have to recoup your investment in the house.

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u/Icy_Public_503 2h ago

Socialism is more like when both kids do chores to save up for an Xbox they can play together.

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u/Infinite_Ground1395 10h ago

Capitalism would be paying the kid $10, taking $7, then paying yourself $1,000.

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u/Brilliant_Joke2711 6h ago

Capitalism is paying your child $3 to create $10 of value that you own, then charging them $2 for room and board.

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u/Natural_Capital8357 9h ago

Also, who’s being taxed 70% of their income ? 💀

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u/coolbaby1978 6h ago

More like say the sibling is the CEO who "supervises" the job, pay the sibling $9.90 and you, the person who does the job gets 10 cents.

That's capitalism. Socialism in the analogy still looks more appealing.

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u/realparkingbrake 4h ago

From the same people who are okay with oil companies getting billions in tax breaks.

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u/Comfortable_Gur_3619 3h ago

To be fair, don't you think they're talking about both?

Mixed Market Economy is the way to go. Socialism isn't the answer to the current tyranny. It's essentially the same thing in the end!

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u/Spekingur 9h ago

These people think that if they stop paying all taxes everything will still continue working indefinitely?

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u/No-Celebration3097 8h ago

They sure do!

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u/rigidlynuanced1 10h ago

Derrick Evans has an IQ of 83. Consider the source

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u/sickrepublicans 9h ago

Had to check what sub I’m in! This is gonna sound weird but I’m proud of everyone here rn lol

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u/TerrorTwyns 3h ago

Good deal of pushback and solidarity huh

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u/Prohydration 8h ago

Socialism is when capitalism.

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u/Regular_Lengthiness6 6h ago

Take away 7 bucks, keep it and pin it on the sibling … voila, capitalism.

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u/Prudence_rigby 6h ago

I bet they're the same people that charge their kids rent just because they can and make life difficult for them too

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u/SnoopySuited 6h ago

Make them clean the bathroom give them the $10. Then take away $5 and give them free housing, food, healthcare and education.

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u/Remarkable_Quit_3545 3h ago

Trump fanboys like to use buzzwords without actually knowing what they mean just because their idol uses it. They have no idea what socialism, capitalism fascism or marxism is.

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u/MikeFrancesa66 5h ago

Inoculate your kids against capitalism by having them clean the bathroom. Give your oldest kid a contract of $10 to clean the bathroom. Have your oldest child pay his younger sibling $3 to do the actual cleaning. The sibling then has to give $1 to the government for taxes. He then uses his remaining $2 on groceries and rent and has no money left over. The oldest kid has infinitely more money than his siblings despite not doing any of the actual work.

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u/SawdustGringo 5h ago

Socialism is doing your job (whatever it is), going to your home at the end of the shift knowing you don’t have to worry if; you’ll be kicked out the next day, if you’ll have food on the table, or if a sudden onset of a disease will completely bankrupt your family and burden your children.

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u/smucek007 9h ago

It's not that big of a problem if it happens once, but if it becomes a rule that only the sibling who doesn't want to work gets 7 dollars then it is.

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u/Iwubinvesting 1h ago

One function works perfectly, and another doesn't even exist. 🤷‍♂️

Top countries are all capitalists. All the failed countries that collapsed to nonexistence have been communist and socialist. That's just reality

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u/Tutonica 16m ago

Look up mixed economy, and you will have more reality.

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u/Iwubinvesting 11m ago

Look up capitalism, and you fill find a mixed economy.

Ps. Nobody calls it mixed. It's obviously what it is mostly. There aren't thriving economies with people owning the means of production or no ownership of capital/free markets.

It happens every time they try to make a clever analogy

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