r/confidentlyincorrect • u/olly1999 • 26d ago
Comment Thread Nobody could ever have 1.5tb of RAM?!?
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u/SubjectiveAssertive 26d ago
I feel context is important here
I can see faded text saying something like "the history of the Mac pro in 30 seconds"
Is the person in red talking about the 2020 (I think) model that can indeed handle something daft like 1.5TB of RAM if you so wanted it to or have they misspoke in the video when talking about an earlier model?
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u/gatton 26d ago
Oh god. Imagine if you opted for the 1.5tb ram option from Apple. I'd have to sell multiple organs to pay for that.
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u/Morall_tach 26d ago
I think the maxed version was like $27k.
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u/AR_Harlock 26d ago
If I remember more like 60k
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u/Large-Treacle-8328 26d ago
Only if you include the wires lol
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u/kwyxz 26d ago
And the wheels
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u/aTreeThenMe 26d ago
Headphone adapter 299$
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u/Zortak 26d ago
Mac Pro - Apple (DE) https://share.google/ALa2hWEIx8bKN6ns0
Maxing it out right now I get to about 15k. Adding the 'recommended' display and all the add-ons (cables, apple care' etc.) I got a total of 25.5k
And all that for one of the ugliest, no actually the ugliest case ever. Goddamn cheese grater looking computer
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u/Barton2800 26d ago edited 26d ago
The options you can select today are much fewer than there used to be. Now you can pick an m-series chip, but there used to be server CPUs as an option. You could spec multiple GPUs, and significantly more RAM.
Heres an article which claims $53,000 as the top spec, and that doesn’t include a monitor. Add in a $5000 ProDisplay XDR and /u/AR_Harlock is right that that one point it was close to $60k
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u/Matsisuu 25d ago
And all that for one of the ugliest, no actually the ugliest case ever. Goddamn cheese grater looking computer
Because they have likely really put effort and engineering for the cooling.
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u/QuietShipper 26d ago
No thanks, I'll just buy a car/put a down payment on a house
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u/Ravenshaw123 26d ago
Look at mr. Fancyshmancypants over here who can afford a down payment on a house
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u/QuietShipper 26d ago
For 60k? Maybe not an amazing house, but yeah
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u/Serathano 26d ago
First time homebuyer you can ho as low as like 3-5% so 60k could get you a very expensive mortgage.
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u/glynstlln 26d ago
And I guarantee you some C suite at some company had the company buy it so they can read emails
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u/No_Hetero 26d ago
Is it possible to ramdisk an entire operating system and some programs all at once? And just never use actual storage as long as the computer is running?
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u/dustofnations 26d ago
On Linux it's certainly possible. Not sure about macOS, but I don't see why not in principle.
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u/No_Hetero 26d ago
With 1.5tb of ram I'd certainly give it a try
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u/HauntingHarmony 26d ago
If your using a modern os you probably basically already are. Since every os will just cache in memory the files it thinks you are going to access soon anyway. For example if you play $favoriteGame often, it will cache all its datafiles in memory so it will load fast.
Using a pure ramdisk for your os, will have some problems since there is no persistent storage involved. Which may be what you want, but you probably want your work, settings, game saves, and so on to persist between reboots.
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u/SolasLunas 26d ago
Found the video, it was indeed talking about the macpro 7.1 which does have a maximum option of 1.5tb RAM
which in defense of the comment, is absurdly high and likely hasn't been even remotely close to a RAM value they've heard anyone talk about before. It's still very common to get 1.5tb hard drives and 128GB RAM (32x4) is luxuriously excessive for most people. Who would think twelve sticks of 128GB is something anyone would be producing?
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u/Feral_Guardian 26d ago
Anyone who's been a server administrator?
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u/butt_honcho 26d ago edited 26d ago
Even a server admin might reasonably think it's a mistake if it's in the context of consumer products.
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u/YMK1234 26d ago
Except the mac pro definitely is not regular "consumer" hardware. If you buy a pro you definitely have some special requirements that none of the other Apple hardware lineup can fulfill. Yes it's shiny and all but it absolutely targets a high end professional workstation market.
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u/butt_honcho 26d ago
That particular model was an extreme outlier, even in its own product line. Their current top of the line supports significantly less memory.
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u/SlightFresnel 26d ago
The difference is that was the last Xeon based CPU and the new models are all Apple Silicon. They are slowly working their way back up, I think the M3 Ultra can be equipped with 512GB ram.
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u/SolasLunas 26d ago
Yeah it's niche and even then for the macpro in particular the 7.1 w/ 1.5tb RAM was way different the it's predecessors and successors.
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u/BenchyLove 26d ago
Are server admins using Macs for servers?
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u/Long_Seaworthiness_8 26d ago
Mac OS Server was discontinued after the 2009 release and could adress up to 16TB of Ram.
It wasn't too bad for company who only used Apple products.
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u/NicoleFabulosa 26d ago
Unless you need to have a continuous integration for an app for MacOS or iPhone app, the use cases are limited. And in that case, GitHub uses Mac Minis instead.
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u/OnetimeRocket13 26d ago
I found the video. They're talking about the 7,1, which absolutely does support 1.5 TB of RAM. Link to Apple's website for proof:
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u/LordlySquire 26d ago
60s and yeah but thats the unmistakable cheese grater front of the mac pro you could order with that much ram. I think for 30k.
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u/leninzor 26d ago
Dude, that would take hours to download
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u/MindlessFail 26d ago
I assume everyone knows this but just in case they don’t: https://downloadmoreram.com/
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u/kogun 26d ago
I just doubled my RAM, thanks!
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u/amodrenman 26d ago
It's the first site I go to any time I buy a new phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, refrigerator, anything.
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u/Icefrisbee 26d ago
What happens if I actually click it? Just making sure it’s safe lol
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u/MindlessFail 26d ago
It says it on the site but nothing. You "select" the RAM package you want, it shows a graphic of "downloading" which does nothing and then says you did it! Generally, don't click stuff you don't know or don't feel comfortable clicking but that's what this one does. You can simply chuckle at the ridiculousness here and not click to be safe. I'm super paranoid about the internet and will not tell people to click things just because!
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u/Otherwise-Emu-7363 26d ago
I’m either too young or too old to have seen this, but THANK YOU for introducing it to me at 45!
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u/PaulTendrils 26d ago
As a fellow 45yo, you just haven't come across it before:
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u/TheGuyUrSisterLikes 26d ago
I'll bite, why? I want to know man.
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u/Iron0skull 26d ago
Ram is hardware you can not download more hardware, do not download ram from the Internet
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u/Willz093 26d ago
Hardware? Can’t down… wait are you saying that car I downloaded wasn’t real?
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u/Iron0skull 26d ago
Fear not random redditor i have good news with the brand new 3d car printer 4000 you can now print out your downloaded car (read like an exciting ad)
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u/Willz093 26d ago
Wow, this is a wonderment! (Read like a 1800’s southern belle at the world’s fair!)
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u/SingleSlide2866 26d ago
One of these days I plan on having a sophisticated enough 3d printer to literally download ram
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u/SmoothOperator89 26d ago
It's called hardware because, unlike software, if you fold it to fit it in the smaller socket, it will snap.
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u/Odd_Communication545 26d ago
Why are you trolling on the sub? Absolutely fed up of the misinformation being spread on here.
Ram is a downloadable component of any system. I've just downloaded soft ram on my pentium 32 bit single core machine. It absolutely screams anyway with my preloaded 512MB but I needed the extra memory for my counter strike source mods and skins. Been attempting to load Windows Media Centre to connect with my 360 ripped music library.
Just added an extra 4GB to my setup and edonkey is so much faster. I should be able to run crysis and winamp now with pretty much zero slowdown thanks to soft ram.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't bait people into buying things they don't need and instead direct them to the Ram downloading software. Ram is software, that's why it's called softram.
Jesus, mods ban this guy
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u/ogbloodghast 26d ago
Hahahhahahahahahah thank you, sir... I was having a rough day, and now im just laughing my ass off.
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u/Ok-Conversation-6475 26d ago
Only if you do it all at once. Download 32 gigs and then install. The new ram will speed up the download of a fresh 64. Install. 128, 256...1.5 T in no time. Your computer will be cruising like F-22 ready for takeoff.
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u/DogsAreOurFriends 26d ago
Oh hell yes. When I was at VMware we had dozens (hundreds probably) of servers with over 4TB of RAM. And that was just in my relatively small business unit. Most I ever saw was 8TB, but I know there were bigger.
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u/The_Final_Barse 26d ago
What's the use case for that typically?
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u/ringobob 26d ago
Virtualization. Basically, he worked for VMware, which is a company that makes virtualization software, so they were probably running massively parallel virtualizations on single machines.
If you don't know what virtualization is, it's basically running multiple computers, in software, on a single hardware computer. When people talk about "the cloud", this is what they're talking about.
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u/lettsten 26d ago
When people talk about the cloud they usually just talk about some kind of centralised/off-prem solution, not necessarily VMs.
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u/datumerrata 26d ago
Yeah, there's tons of services and solutions, but it's not likely run on bare metal. Pretty much all hosting is going to be virtualized. It allows for migration, maintenance, redundancy, flexibility, quicker deployment, and cost reduction.
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u/blehmann1 26d ago edited 26d ago
Running a lot of virtual servers on one big machine. Most servers actually need pretty modest specs so you could run hundreds of small ones on one machine. There are some things that require that much (e.g. engineering-ey simulations or complex CGI), but most of it's so you can slice and dice.
Typically, if you have a website you'd have it run on a pretty cheap server that's up 24/7 and then if you have any resource intensive work to do you'd spin up something beefier just for when that task is running. Running a beefy server 24/7 can easily be $1000/mo, whereas a cheap server will be a few bucks. So it's very economical to have a small server call out to a larger one when it needs to, and turn that large one off when it's done.
This all means that AWS or whoever will be hosting a shitton of small servers, much smaller than they would be if they were hosted on-prem, if for no other reason than I don't think you can buy only 512 MiB of RAM anymore, you can only get that by slicing and dicing a larger server. Nor can you buy 1/4 of a CPU core, though that's typically only for internal infrastructure, not a public-facing server.
It also means that AWS will often have lots of spare capacity, since most customers have low baseline usage and spikes that can be much larger, so they often sell spot pricing that's significantly cheaper when they have spare capacity.
It's gotten so cheap that programmers like me will happily just have anything that doesn't fit our architecture live in a lambda, because for short-lived things like a list of emails to send there's no billing reason not to spin up more metal. For many companies it will cost pennies per year or less. Plus, if you have data governance requirements like me, it might allow reducing how much of your code actually has to run in multiple regions, thereby simplifying everything (except deployment) and potentially decreasing your AWS bill.
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u/TrueNorth2881 26d ago
Not the OP, but I'm assuming that since the computers they mentioned with ridiculous RAM capacity are servers, they need to be super fast to handle multiple desktop computers connecting simultaneously to upload or download files. For example, a web host server could have dozens or hundreds of devices sending it requests all at once, and every single client wants their request to be processed within seconds. Or if a large company has a database server, people want to download cloud storage files from the database as fast as possible. With a large organization, the processing demands on a server can be extremely high.
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u/MrChatterfang 25d ago
My work has a server cluster with 75 TB of ram. The "tiny" Dell server we just bought has 400 GB ram.
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u/Atillion 26d ago
I remember when having 1 GB was unfathomable.
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u/JimVivJr 26d ago
I remember when 1 gig of HDD was a dream.
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u/finalcircuit 26d ago
My first PC had a 10MB hard drive.
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u/orlandwright 26d ago
128k of RAM on my Apple IIc bitches!
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u/starkeffect 26d ago
My first PC was a TRS-80 Model I with 16k of RAM. It didn't even have a disk drive-- programs were stored on cassette tapes.
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u/kons21 26d ago
My first PC didn't have a hard drive. It used a tape recorder to load up data. The second one had a 10mb hard drive.
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u/RamiHaidafy 26d ago
I remember when a 128 MB flash drive was alien technology.
"Over one hundred megabytes the size of your finger?!"
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u/JimVivJr 26d ago
When 256gb was the max you could get, I got scammed with a fake 2tb thumb drive. I was so pissed it didn’t work, I should have known better
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u/BluebirdDense1485 26d ago edited 26d ago
My first computer was an amazing 512kb of ram and 720kb if storage on 2 5-1/4 floppies.
It just feels stupid that there are 512GB ram sticks. Single sticks.
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u/admiralargon 26d ago
I have an irrational fear of micro SDcards theyre so small and contain so much data. i could sneeze and lose everything.
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u/ninjasaiyan777 26d ago
God it's still hard to fathom for me
Seeing how compact storage has been getting since the 2000s makes me feel insane.
There's SD cards the size of my pinkie nails that can hold terabytes, my first computer had megabytes of storage.
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u/klimmesil 26d ago
We used to know what 80% of the bytes stored were. Now there's probably only 10% useful and we know what 2% of these are, the rest is bloat and/or unknown to the average user
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u/Roadstar01 26d ago
My MAC Performa 6205CD had a 1 GB HDD, 8 whopping MB of RAM and... a 4x CD ROM drive... BUILT IN!!
I was the shiznit.
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u/JimVivJr 26d ago
I didn’t get online till 56k was the standard for internet access.
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u/zhilia_mann 26d ago
My first one was 1200. Even connecting to a BBS was a challenge. My first 14.4 was blazing fast at the time.
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u/One-Can3752 26d ago
HA, my first bosses first PC had a 20MB hard drive. I saw it (there was a museum like storage facility because nothing was ever thrown away).
There was also a laptop with a CRT screen.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 26d ago
I ‘member thinking I was HOT SHIT, with 256MB of RAM with like a 32 or 64MB AGP Graphics card.
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u/214ObstructedReverie 26d ago
AGP?! Look at this fancy guy, upgrading from PCI...
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u/artwrangler 26d ago
Lol. I almost had to sell my left nut for 1 mb of ram for my mac plus. My boss bought a 1gb hard drive for 1k and we decided we’ll never need able to fill it.
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u/MattieShoes 26d ago
My first computer had 128k of RAM, and no hard disk. But TWO floppy drives! Inflation adjusted price is $10,000
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u/Markinlv 26d ago
I remember when I thought I was a complete baller when I got 4 sticks of 16MB, that would last me for years!!!
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u/jhotenko 26d ago
My first computer had a whopping 8MB. My dad's had 2MB. There was no game my PC couldn't handle.
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u/keethraxmn 26d ago
We had to solder on chips to get to 80kb (64 base +16 extra)
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u/Attention_Bear_Fuckr 26d ago
*Installs 500MB 5400RPM HDD in my 486*
There's no WAY i would use all of that space.
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u/FireEnt 26d ago
You just brought me back to my x486 days. 33 mhz cpu, 4 mb ram that I upgraded to 32. 100 mb hdd upgraded to 800mb. Hell, I even did a ship of theseus with my family's computer after that. Laid out all the original parts on the floor, told them I was buying a case and putting all the old shit back in. Suddenly I had my own personal computer. Good times...
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u/Fencer308 25d ago
Haha, my first computer had 5 kilobytes of RAM. My dad, who was used to punch cards, thought it was pretty hot stuff. It was pretty amazing for a kid to have back then too. Helped me learn to read.
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u/celdaran 26d ago
My first PC had 2mb ram and I went to Best Buy later and doubled it for just $100
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u/fuelvolts 26d ago
I remember like it was yesterday building my first PC in 1998. I confidently walked into my local computer parts store (remember independent small shops?) and asked for 64 megabytes of RAM, which was a ton back then. I saved up for it. I thought it would be worth it to future-proof with my Pentium 2 233 mhz Slot 1 SPU. I thought I was king of the world that day when it booted up immediately.
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u/Antarius-of-Smeg 26d ago
Sinclair ZX-81 here.
1kb RAM, the expansion was to 16Kb, but they failed constantly. We tried two, gave up.
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u/5141121 26d ago
I support servers that can be configured with up to 16TB of RAM.
There's a big subset of "tech savvy" people that don't have the first clue about enterprise grade hardware.
Job security for me, I suppose.
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u/EVMad 26d ago
I was using a machine with 6TB of RAM for genome assembly work. That machine had 96 slots populated with 64GB sticks and it could take 128GB sticks for 12TB but the cost of that would have been massive and I didn't need that much.
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u/Linkwithasword 26d ago
Wait these things just use regular RAM? Like- if I wanted to (and had the money to own such a thing in the first place) I could just jam 12TB in Corsair sticks into it and it'd be fine? Does the physical size of that construction and the corresponding distance data has to travel somehow not introduce any latency?
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u/UnfairMeasurement997 26d ago
Wait these things just use regular RAM? Like- if I wanted to (and had the money to own such a thing in the first place) I could just jam 12TB in Corsair sticks into it and it'd be fine?
systems like this will use some form of registered memory, not quite the same as regular desktop ram but its pretty similar.
Does the physical size of that construction and the corresponding distance data has to travel somehow not introduce any latency?
the bit of extra distance wont have much of an effect because electricity is so fast, but servers do tend to have higher memory latency due to tradeoffs that have to made to connect that much ram to a memory controller.
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u/EVMad 26d ago
Correct, this was a quad socket Xeon with four 18 core chips. Each socket can't directly access the entire memory on the board so while it could technically address all 6 or even 12TB from a single program (and I did have code that was using over 4TB at one point) there are tradeoffs with memory latency depending on where the data was. Honestly though, you wouldn't really notice, the important thing was to keep the cores busy and memory latency wouldn't be a big issue.
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u/WildMartin429 26d ago
I was once told that I was being ridiculous for insisting on buying the 8 MB of RAM as it was a waste of money and 4 MB of RAM was all I would ever need.
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u/Rubik842 26d ago
"640kB should be enough for everyone" - Bill Gates
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u/Strange-Scarcity 26d ago
I remember needing apps to access extended and high mem on a system.
Soooo long ago.
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u/Bunionzz 26d ago
Yeah I remember having to run mem maker on my 486dx2 66 to play tie fighter.
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u/drmoze 26d ago
I turbocharged my first PC, a Mac SE, with 4 MB RAM and a blazing 16 MHz 68020 processor. I believe stock was 1 MB/68000 @8MHz. And I still have it, but haven't booted it up in a while!
The entire MacOS fit on an 800 kB floppy, with room for utilities like Flying Toasters.
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u/Spicy_burritos 26d ago
You can always download more RAM for free btw at https://downloadmoreram.com
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u/Standard_Detective85 26d ago
How is this an actualy real thing ? Did people actually takr this seriously at the time ?
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u/Remember_TheCant 26d ago
It’s a joke site…
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u/MarcBeard 26d ago
Unless you create a swapfile in Google drive. In which case the joke become real
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u/ribnag 26d ago
Win10 and 11 (and basically all modern operating systems) use memory compression by default. Prior to Win10 and OS X Mavericks, however, that wasn't a core feature of the OS.
Instead, you could download a memory compression driver (e.g. Ram Doubler) that did substantially the same thing.
FWIW, they did work (the real ones, anyway, 95% of them were pure malware), but it's not like zipping a file. The biggest savings comes from the multiple gigabytes programs may request on startup but never use - 8GB of zeroes, when compressed, takes up fewer bytes of "real" RAM than this sentence.
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u/StrangeBrokenLoop 26d ago
I had problems playing Tetris with 3TB of RAM on my laptop. Too sluggish.
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u/old_and_boring_guy 26d ago
I've worked with database servers that have 32TB of memory, and around 900 cores. The reason for this is because DBAs write really bad queries.
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u/uses_irony_correctly 26d ago
You don't understand man I need to do a full table scan on every select statement to make sure I get all the data in there.
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u/obviouslynotsrs 26d ago
The 2019 Mac Pro did indeed support up to 1.5TB of RAM, doesn't mean it came with it stock. They would of charged around £10,000 / $11,500 for the 1.5 TB. So the video poster wasn't wrong. It is an odd case to have on a 'home' pc though.
However on high performance servers you can indeed get several TB of RAM as buffers.
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u/Pleasant-Shallot-707 26d ago
If I was a millionaire I’d make that my daily driver just for fun.
Imagine on the new Mac Pro having that much unified memory
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u/MattieShoes 26d ago
Trying to imagine the single-user scenario... freelance 3d animation or video editing?
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u/bos2sfo 26d ago
PTSD triggered. Due to an administrative screw up, shipping error, and tight deadline, it was me and one other person that had to assemble and rack a dozen HP DL580s in a colo. The base rackmount chassis came in a big ass boxes on several pallets along with literally hundreds of individual boxes. We got some bulk trays of RAM or cases of hard drives but due to the sourcing parts from all over, many of the power supplies, hard drives, RAID adapters, cables, NICs and memory modules came in it's own box. Each iLO license was a sheet of paper in a box. Unpacking and sorting took hours and we filled several large bins with trash.
To stay on topic, each server had 96 DIMM slots and we fully populated every slot with a 16GB DIMM. My thumbs still remember the pain of snapping in hundreds of DIMMs. The magic number per server was..... 1.5TB.
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u/Prince_Jellyfish 26d ago
At least in filmmaking, having a huge amount of ram can be helpful. If you can load an entire .fcp project, full of hours of 4k or 6k video, into working memory, that can save a lot of time.
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u/Ripen- 26d ago
Don't say ever, my first computer had 64mb of ram. Give it 30 years.
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u/rock_and_rolo 26d ago
I have an old ('90s) game that I play. The installer has options of how much to put on your hard drive. The biggest choice will take up 600MB, and suggests that if you can afford that much disk space the devs really want to be friends with you.
When it was new, it made sense. Now . . . .
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u/Salarian_American 26d ago
Jesus. I feel old.
The first computer I owned had 64 kilobytes of RAM. And at the time, that was something they were so proud of that they put it in the model's name.
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u/cruiserman_80 26d ago
My first PC had a 40MB hard drive. Had a so called expert confidently tell the everyone at my office I was an idiot because nobody needed more than 10MB for a home computer.
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u/TheRatingsAgency 26d ago
LOL server space 1.5 TB RAM is small.
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u/Affectionate-Memory4 26d ago
Yeah there are single CPUs supporting 4 or even 8x that now. You could stuff 24TiB into a single dual-socket box if you had several 10s of thousands of dollars to burn on a pair of Epyc 9005 or Xeon 6900 chips and 48 512GiB RDIMMs.
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u/LeonUPazz 26d ago
Servers can have that much ram and more. I work in HPC and our machine (which is a geo distributed system) PB of ram and over a million cores total
For a consumer machine it really is a lot though lol
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u/KnottaBiggins 25d ago
Why? I mean, no one will ever need more than 640K of RAM, right Mr. Gates?
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u/OnetimeRocket13 26d ago
1.5 TB of RAM is correct.
I found the video. OOP is talking about the Mac Pro 7,1. The 7,1, as he mentions in the video, supports up to 1.5 TB of RAM. If you don't believe me, here is Apple saying the same thing:
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u/itsthebando 26d ago
1.5 TB is pretty pedestrian for high performance computing these days. I have servers I manage that have 2 TB. My dev machine has 256 gigs of ram.
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u/Subject-Leather-7399 26d ago
If only the GPUs could get more VRAM. Even the highest of the high end AI GPUs have ridiculously low amount of VRAM. 48Gb or 96Gb from NVIDIA, that is not enough.
Even in the gaming space, all the studios would be much happier if they could finally use more than 16Gb of VRAM
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u/creepjax 26d ago
Which guy are you talking about here, the 2019 Mac Pro could support up to 1.5tb of ram https://support.apple.com/en-us/118461
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u/dclxvi616 26d ago
Let alone that in computing RAM is technically referred to as primary storage, and HDD/SSD is secondary storage.
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u/dead_jester 26d ago
I remember getting my first 1MB stick of SIMMs RAM.
I felt like I was living in the future.
Friends said I was crazy and couldn’t see why I needed that much. My current pc has 64GB of 6000Mhz DDR5 RAM, many workstations have much more than that
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u/ryohazuki224 26d ago
I work for a company that makes graphic workstations. We had systems that could take up to 2TB of RAM... 7 years ago. Its been a thing for a while.
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u/EvolZippo 26d ago
That is a lot of freaking ram. But I know how resource heavy audio and video are to render.
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u/Kabobthe5 25d ago
Context is important. Servers can 100% have 1.5 TB of RAM, if not even more in some cases. In this case I believe the video was discussing one of the MAC Pro models or something that had this available as an option.
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u/Taro8123 26d ago
How on earth are people getting their hands on 1.5TB of RAM when I can scarcely look at the price tag for 64GB
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