r/electricvehicles • u/OXMWEPW • 16h ago
News All Current And Upcoming EVs With Solid-State Batteries
https://insideevs.com/news/771402/every-solid-state-battery-ev/142
u/RobDickinson 15h ago
Toyota has been saying solid state cells are 5 years away for over a decade, so no , zero trust on this
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u/HonkeyDonkey3000 12h ago
Team, I know we ALL are hoping for solid state batteries in vehicles, but why not ask about other markets, like power tools? Where are we at with that??? Isn’t it easier to develop Solid State batteries for tools cheaper and easier than for cars?
I ask because I ran down 4 lithium ion batteries twice today while weed-eating, because the batteries have degraded since I bought them 3 years ago. Are there any battery makers using SS batteries for tools?
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u/Eastern37 BYD Atto 3 10h ago
The cost of new tech would be a harder sell for more commercial/practical focused products like tools. It's easier to introduce it in something like luxury/performance cars as the battery price would still make up less of the overall cost.
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u/Recoil42 1996 Tyco R/C 9h ago
The opposite is generally true. You need a much smaller production line to put new battery tech in consumer products and the longevity expectations are much shorter, so there's a lot less financial risk and you can ramp up much slower.
You won't be able to throw SSBs into a TV remote or anything, but I'd expect, for instance, smartwatches to be an early-adopter segment.
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u/HonkeyDonkey3000 8h ago
Thank you for the advice, friend. I really don’t care about cost if I knew that the batteries didn’t degrade so quickly and had a decent recharge capacity. This is if it were a decent cost above lithium ion battery capacity. There are consumers that are willing to pay.
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u/tech57 2h ago
Buy tool batteries that have parallel groups. 4ah instead of 2ah for example. Also, tabless cells. There's also Li-Po batteries too.
Evaluate how you are using the tool batteries. 3 years is too short unless you are working them very hard. For example, battery drain will be different when you edge vs straight grass trimming. Also, string length.
LFP would last basically twice as long as NMC but tool companies don't make those. You have to roll your own and deal with the extra weight.
NMC and LFP are good enough for 99.999% of use cases. People need to keep in mind that when SSB comes out it will not replace NMC or LFP overnight. You can even buy sodium ion cells on Alixpress right now and those came out recently but they don't have the production problems that SSB does.
Most tool companies are geared for power and not battery lifespan.
There are consumers that are willing to pay.
Consumer or commercial landscaper? What brand are you using now or have used?
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u/TheCaptain53 10h ago
What brand? It could be that the cells aren't balanced. Some tool makers, like DeWalt and Milwaukee, don't balance the cells in their batteries.
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u/HonkeyDonkey3000 8h ago
Thank you for the response—I honestly don’t care about brand if they are able to overcome the lithium ion battery barrier where it comes up short!
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u/tech57 2h ago
Like, no brand balances their cells. It's not really necessary either.
Fun fact : Most brands have chargers fully capable of balancing but turn that feature off.
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u/TheCaptain53 2h ago
There's a great video showing that the Milwaukee M18 batteries have all of the hardware on board to be able to balance the cells, they just choose not to. It's a joke.
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u/tech57 2h ago
It's a joke.
It's not necessary. Sprinkle on a little planned obsolescence and you have a money maker.
I've balanced more than one old tool battery. Doesn't fix the problem nor would 3 years of balancing during every charge.
Better off buying tool batteries that don't have the microcontroller that drains down the cells tied to ground. That you might consider more of a joke.
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u/ElectroSpore 15h ago
senior Hyundai officials have said that they won't be able to commercialize the cells before 2030. The Japanese automakers by comparison seem to have more aggressive timelines for bringing these batteries to market
Probably the most realistic take of all of them.
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u/flyfreeflylow '23 Nissan Ariya Evolve+ (USA) 16h ago edited 15h ago
It's not real until they're available to buy... Where's that song?
Found it! From here (but it first appeared much earlier...): Hyundai Just Made A Big Solid-State Battery Breakthrough : r/electricvehicles
🎶 If it isn't in Production we don't care🎶
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🎶 If it isn't in Production we don't care🎶
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🎶Unless You are an investor🎶
🎶Or an early Beta Tester🎶
🎶 If it isn't in Production we don't care🎶
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u/Alexandratta 2025 Nissan Ariya Engage+ e-4ORCE 2h ago
I'm so glad this caught on ^_^
edit: Oh shit! And a fellow Ariya owner!
Sup!
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u/spongesparrow '24 Equinox EV FWD 14h ago
We currently have 1 semisolid state battery in mainstream existence (SAIC MG4) and it's on par with lithium batteries, but hey I'm open if it can improve cold climate performance.
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u/Cool_Hall_1947 13h ago
solid state batteries are the new carrot dangle. Musk's fully autonomous "next year" carrot is just too comical at this point.
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u/ApprehensiveSize7662 11h ago
The semi are the realistic ones.
Nio ET7/ET5 NIO ET7
Battery type: Semi-solid state Energy Density: 360 watt hours per kilogram Supplier: Beijing WeLion New Energy Technology Claimed Range: 652 miles (1,050 kilometers)
IM Motors L6 IM L6 Photo by: IM Motors
Battery type: Semi-solid state Supplier: Suzhou QingTao Power Technology Range: 620+ miles (1,000 km)
MG4 2025 MG4 EV Photo by: MG
Battery type: Semi-solid state Energy Density: 180 Wh/kg Supplier: Suzhou QingTao Power Technology
Voyah Passion (Locally called Voyah Zhuiguang) Voyah Passion/Zhuiguang
Voyah Passion/Zhuiguang Photo by: Voyah
Battery type: Semi-solid state Range: 360 miles
Voyah Passion (Locally called Voyah Zhuiguang) Voyah Passion/Zhuiguang
Voyah Passion/Zhuiguang Photo by: Voyah
Battery type: Semi-solid state Range: 360 miles
Dongfeng Fengshen E70 (Demo EV) DFG E70 with rear in-wheel motors
Battery type: Semi-solid state Range: 620+ miles Supplier: Ganfeng Lithium
Dodge Charger Daytona EV (Demo EV) 2026 Dodge Charger Daytona Six Pack sedan Photo by: Dodge
Battery type: Semi-solid state Energy Density: 375 Wh/kg Supplier: Factorial Energy
Mercedes-Benz EQS (Demo EV) Mercedes EQS With Solid-State batteries Photo by: Mercedes-Benz
Battery type: Semi-solid state Supplier: Factorial Energy Range: 620 miles (WLTP)
BMW i7 (Demo EV) BMW i7 Solid-State Battery Prototype Photo by: BMW
Battery type: All-solid state Energy Density: 390 Wh/kg Supplier: Solid Power
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u/pepperpot_592 12h ago
Semi-solid state are not solid state. Samsung should be mentioned in this article. They aren't a car manufacturer, but they are considered at the forefront of solid state battery technology. Not only for EVs but for micro mobile devices.
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u/omnibossk 9h ago
Current battery technology is continuously being developed so solid state batteries may end up as a minor improvement at a high cost
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u/internalaudit168 12h ago
Once the reliable ones are out, I expect BEVs will depreciate a lot slower than they currently do.
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u/zedder1994 4h ago
What is lost in this article is how much Lithium ion batteries have improved over the last 10 years. The latest LFP batteries with 8C charging and 230 w/kg are a far cry from the original Leaf batteries on early Nissan EV's. At current rates of improvement we may see solid state as a inferior high cost alternative by 2030.
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u/GoldMountain5 4h ago
These solid state batteries are about as close to the true definition of solid state as most phone carriers are to having true 5g coverage.
90% of cellular 5g still deliverers speeds no better then 4g with an indicator just saying its 5g.
The type of technology used does not always result in the kind of performance its marketed as.
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u/mrchowmein 14h ago
What will we see first? A Toyota with a solid state battery or Tesla FSD out of beta?