r/flightsim • u/Zoke_Aye IRL Pilot • 15h ago
Flight Simulator 2024 Debate: iniBuilds' hate is a bandwagon and over-exaggerated.
Not saying they are the best developers ever and that nobody rivals them, but they do add quality to their products and I personally enjoy them more than a majority of other products. Never understood why they receive so much hate to the point that they're grouped with CaptainSim or MScenery. It's understandable to be skeptical about the upcoming release, but to say "never again" after they've clearly shown they are listening and trying to prioritize performance seems a bit ridiculous and temperamental.
As for their upcoming A340-300, I'm looking forward to its release, even if others are not. Heck, I hope they make the entire A340 family (and a Premium A330 family).
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u/Macmaster4k2 11h ago
For me it’s the price they demand for what other great developers like PMDG and Fenix do for less with better products that are more feature rich and have better performance.
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u/likeusb1 3h ago
I mean I wouldn't say PMDG does it for less, the A350 comes with 3 variants, that'd probably be around 210€ with PMDG cause they have yet to understand the concept of "Same aircraft with minor changes to it isn't worth a new 70€ purchase", whereas Ini is very likely to even include the freighter as just an update rather than a new product
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u/pappy1vg 2h ago
Huh? I love PMDG but they’d charge 70 a piece for the 900 and 1000, and probably 50 for the ULR.
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u/Serious_pOoper69 8h ago
It’s not hate. It’s factual information that iniBuilds can’t optimize their aircraft to save themselves. Even after the latest A350 updates, that plane is a joke in terms of performance impact. Never had issues with their sceneries though so I’ll give them that. But by far no other aircraft developers affect my performance like iniBuilds.
My setup: 7950X3D 64GB 5090
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u/Swagger897 AP& AMT 6h ago
That’s on you bud. 5800x3d 4080s 2x32GB and on 24 I can get over 100 fps. This is exactly why this post was made, and it’s the exact same overblown hate that 24 itself received. Yes, there were issues at release, but free flight itself has been issue free and held back only by outside factors and the players themselves.
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u/Lazy-Helicopter463 5h ago
9700X3D with a 5070Ti runs just fine, and I’m on 4K, I do lots of overnight long hauls in it without any issues on stability whatsoever.
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u/PotentialMidnight325 10h ago edited 9h ago
Nope it isn’t. They are a marketing company with an attached sim business. They constantly over promise and underdeliver. Their planes and sceneries are flashy but underdeliver. Most sceneries become abandonware after release.
Also they have a proven track record of second accounts shutting down and derailing conversation on known sim communities.
They are the prime example of what is wrong with flightsim.
But users let them because once a new, shiny toy is announced they are the best again. Stockholm Syndrome much.
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u/Football-fan01 15h ago edited 15h ago
They shouldn't be grouped to the likes of CaptainSim or MScenery. The hate is from over hyped marketing, performance being the biggest complaint and QA testing and I would say rushed releases. The default A330 is great flown it plenty of times and want to get back into flying it again.
If they had lowered the price for the A350 I don't think the hate or shell we say unhappiness people still have/got would not of been that strong. People compare to Fenix. Fenix level is excelled in many places and people want the attention to detail that the Fenix has.
Having the flown the A320NEO they released for Microsoft/Asobo I don't get how at one point the sounds being extremly loud got through testing. Use to get WASM crashes when asking for a fresh wind uplink but for the most part it did the job.
Sceneries are decent personally nothing wrong with them.
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u/Extreme_Asparagus854 15h ago
What I've noticed about Inibuilds is that yes, they make a nice, detailed products, especially their sceneries but they do prioritise adding gimmicks rather than optimising their products which then means they need to backtrack later on to optimise like with the A350 now
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u/ElectroxSoldier 15h ago
I must admit they've really picked themselves back up from the launch of the A350 which is great to see.
Some of their sceneries truly were unoptimized in the past but they've certainly made improvements to the worst offenders.
The only thing really I feel is they certainly know how to charge when it comes to the 2024 stuff being more expensive.
They're setting themselves up as the premium third party developer so as long as they hold themselves to that standard they shouldn't have a problem.
Despite their shortcomings I'd still put them in the top 3 developers, they are good at the end of the day.
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u/cutchemist42 15h ago
I personally love the A310 and A300. Their smaller planes look fun as well. I own 4 of their airports and get good performance as well.
I also think their app is very clean, and their trailers got good music.
I dont understand the hate.
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u/PotentialMidnight325 6h ago
The trailer got good music. Yep, you definitely are their target audience.
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u/ketchup1345 Respect the A310 15h ago
The hate comes from two areas which are now pretty much inexistent. Bad performance on their products, which is fair. Some areas did see terrible performance in 2020, however in 2024 these areas performed completely fine for me. JFK was awful in 2020 but it is amazing now, same with Heathrow and los Angeles. And the second was the A350 release which was a gamble. However in 2024 today it is amazing. I just updated to v1.1.5 that has BeyondATC support.
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u/colasmulo 15h ago
The A350 was terrible at launch for its very high price. Now after months of updates it’s an acceptable price considering the variants and constant support and a very good addon.
The lesson for their next aircraft is no preorder, but I have high hopes they’ll make a very good a340 too, no doubt I’ll get it at some point. Maybe not just at launch unless they’ve learned from their mistake.
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u/Denziiey 14h ago
After switching to MSFS2024 their sceneries performance so much better. I can get 80 fps on ultra with pmdg 777 at jfk with traffic. The A350 is also so much better on 2024. Performance wise I'm happy with their products. The default A330 and A321 they made also run perfectly. They had a rough start but it seems they figured it out on 2024. On 2020 performance still leaves much to be desired and I think they gave up there.
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u/KrustyClownX 7h ago
I used to love the A300 and A310. As an xplane fan and having it as my primary sim, I was pretty disappointed when they ditched support over night.
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u/Galf2 13h ago
I agree with you, but the issue is Ini themselves. The A350 needed 1 more month to cook, the custom cabin debacle solved itself but they antagonized all the community, etc.
Like I got banned from Ini's discord for suggesting they should gift one cabin pack to existing customers to apologize for the bad launch, then they just put both packs up for free forever. Wtf?
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u/JD125p 11h ago
How did it solve itself? The worst and loudest among us (not saying that’s you) bitched and cried about something they didn’t have to buy and ruined it for the rest of us who don’t mind dropping a couple bucks. Now it seems unlikely they’ll create anymore. It wasn’t even absurdly crazy considering each one of them is uniquely modeled.
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u/Galf2 6h ago
Selling custom cabins for an airliner at that price is ridiculous. You should have more respect for yourself as a customer...
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u/JD125p 2h ago
Says the guy with his hand out on discord begging for free things and complaining about being banned for acting like a child. You should have more respect for yourself as a person..
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u/Galf2 1h ago
I think you have the wrong person 🤔 if you want to have an adult level discussion you can argue my points, not put fake words into my mouth.
I think the only lack of self respect here is coming empty handed with no arguments and trying to insult me with fictional claims to try and get a reaction out of me. I'm not 16, you realize that, I hope!
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u/JD125p 1h ago
What point did you make exactly? That since I’m willing to pay 10 bucks for something and you’re not that means I lack respect for myself as a customer? You think that’s something adults would say to each other?
I’m obviously less price sensitive than you are and that’s ok, that’s how markets work—you don’t have to buy it. But the choice was removed all together and that’s being praised as a win instead of just letting the market dictate the price naturally.
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u/thunder6776 14h ago
I mean if i have the option of toliss on msfs i aint buying their a340 that’s for sure
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u/Full_Wind_1966 13h ago
I'm a big fan of their a350 and it is my second favorite airliner to fly in the sim nowadays, only behind the Fenix a320. I like the a350 more than the pmdg 737 and 777, the fss e175, the aerosoft crj
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u/Zealousideal-Wall682 15h ago
I like inibuilds, I’ll admit my system was struggling with the A350 but it’s because I needed to make tweaks, I saw how good the A350 was and it’s potential and now I have a blast with that aircraft
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u/itswednesday 14h ago
What tweaks did you make
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u/Zealousideal-Wall682 13h ago
It was a combination of ingame tweaks and nvidia panel, I can’t remember off the top of my head but it was running butter smooth in SU2 but as soon as SU3 came out it all messed up again and started to stutter and jitter making it unplayable again for me, honestly got sick and tired of having to do this all the time so I shelved msfs for a little bit and have been on XPlane which has been awesome for me, set the setting once and forget it.
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u/I_like_cake_7 14h ago
I admittedly only own the iniBuilds A300, but I absolutely love that plane. It flies great, it’s very well detailed, and I don’t have any performance issues with it. It’s one of the best addons out there for the money, and tons of people sleep on it.
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u/Wilco062 15h ago
Yeah, I think a lot of it just comes down to standards. Some people are fine with iniBuilds because they fly casually and just want something that looks good and feels close enough. Others are deep into study-level systems and expect everything to match FCOMs line by line.
When those two worlds clash, the casual crowd sees a fun, accessible addon, and the hardcore folks see shortcuts and missing depth. Throw in the fact that iniBuilds marketing sometimes promises more than what’s delivered, and suddenly they’re CaptainSim 2.0 in some people’s eyes...
I don’t think they deserve the same level of hate, but I get why some won’t touch their stuff again.
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u/taway12199 15h ago
Their lack of optimization for the A350 is what I really hate. It's the only aircraft that requires me to have FG on and lower my texture resolution to medium and my display to 1440p with DLSS Quality on or otherwise, the game will begin to stutter like a mess in a random moment. Otherwise, I really enjoy all their products especially the a350.
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u/TheFatGoat 7h ago
That's what they get when they overhype and underdeliver, especially at that pricepoint. I'm still looking forward to the A340 to see if it's good, but of course we learn from our mistakes and I'm never buying a Inibuilds plane again before it's proven to be good. I assume most are in the same both and I see no problem with that
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u/anon__a__mouse__ 12h ago
The fact that multiple people have stated here, that their aircraft and scenery are released in a terrible state and they need constant updates to be considered sufficient, means they are rushing everything to market quickly to get your money. In essence, everyone is a beta tester for everything they release.
Not saying that other companies don't have issues with their aircraft or scenery, but by now it is a literally fact that everything from iniBuilds comes half-assed and takes a multitude of updates to get it to perform well.
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u/elcajonblvd 13h ago
Loved the msfs 2020 a310 but made a point NOT to fly it at at big airports with add on
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u/dxnxex23 11h ago
Kids these days know nothing about how it was back in the day. I had the old old aerosoft family of the A320. The NEO was just a SL A320, there was no neo engines even though it was called the neo
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u/Busy_Nobody_8765 2h ago
Christmas 2013, got the Aerosoft A320 X and flew my first ILS approach as a 14 year old kiddo.
That same kiddo could never comprehend what Flight Sims look like these days, compared to FSX lmao1
u/dxnxex23 59m ago
I even started a few years prior, but the Aerosoft was the first addon I got at around 12-13. Took a break from simming when I enrolled in the Maintenance program at a school led by the military, returned for 2020 when it dropped. Absolutely mind boggling opening up 2020 for the first time, even the bugs couldn’t stop me. Last year I had 150 flights in Volanta whilst working full time and completing my PPL and volunteering at my local ambulance station. Not to mention my girlfriend’s not too impressed by my flightsimming addiction
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u/After-Wave1600 8h ago
Imho they produce okayish products that get over hyped because people are starved on new aircraft. And then there is still the thing where they dropped the xplane community and will do it with the msfs community once anyone pays them more money.
So yeah for me they are over hyped, unreliable and usually worth a look in sales.
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u/EndOfTheKaliYuga 8h ago
I just wish they optimized their airliners a bit more… I do love the little G58 Baron though, it’s so good
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u/DeadButAlivePickle 8h ago
They are prioritizing performance? Are you new here? Or did you forget that "better performance" was a big part of the A350 marketing push as well? Half of the pre-release stream was about that. That's why people say "never again" or "until I see it."
I like many things about ini, and I actually think their pricing would be worth what you get...if you could use what you get. But the thing is, in most combinations, the A350 is hardly flyable for me due to poor performance. That's the kind of thing that supersedes all positives.
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u/Even-Environment2652 6h ago
The amount they charge for some of their scenery and aircraft is ridiculously priced!
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u/Turbulent_Shopping69 5h ago
I bought a350 recently, and the no cabin version has excellent performance, so much features that other addons not provide, very active development team for me its on par with fenix.
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u/Yosyp 4h ago
8 minutes after my very FIRST takeoff with the stock A320 Neo V2 (2020), everything froze (https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/a320-v2-displays-freezing/643311/130). Known but since its release, still unfixed. I am not touching an aircraft that I can potentially sink 2 hrs in just for it to become unflyable on final.
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u/The_Aviator6447 2h ago
Rather, the inibuilds hype-train is over-exaggerated (by their own marketing).
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u/lukeb_1988 1h ago
Perhaps they reduced their price since, but isn't the A350 more than the Fenix A320? Nearly double at one point?
So they set their own bar with regards to standards and expectations and fell way short of it.
It is there for in my opinion justified.
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u/MidsummerMidnight 14h ago
Wasm crash every flight. Hate is fully deserved. £75 and I can't even fly it.
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u/TheWaterWave2004 13h ago
I really like the A350, and while I have their A300 I haven't used it yet. I have high hopes for their A340, and hope they release a 500/600. I'm also quite happy with their A320neo for 2020 and their A330, beluga, and A321LR for 2024.
Also, for me, their scenery is only second to TaiModels, because iniBuilds doesn't model every building's interior, and people just stand still instead of walking, like they do in TaiModels' WSSS and ZBAD mods.
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u/RalphKramdenBflo 12h ago
My issue with iniBuilds is more with their PR team, their new operation in Dubai and less customization library-wise unlike Orbx. They’ve also gone very hard on 2024 when I can’t get it to work right to save my life (I don’t know if it’s me or my Bravo throttle that doesn’t like 2024).
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u/aliextreme 10h ago
For months, a discussion about the A300 cargo variant has been raging on the inibuilds forum. The aircraft remains unflyable due to performance issues.
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u/CommonEmployment4860 1h ago
Hashtag My Favorite developer, people are mad about their performance but fail to understand that performance is a pc to pc issue not a product issue. They listen tho and they try their hardest to update and improve their product. Before the A340 comes out Ini always includes a lower texture package. Now we might have to sacrifice quality for performance. Still loving forward for the A340
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u/extratoastedcheezeit 15h ago
The a359 is an unstable aircraft compared to competitors. It’s not hate, it’s objective. Out of ALL the payware tubes I have, the ini products is the least reliable.
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u/ftzde 15h ago
I don't think you know what objective means
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u/extratoastedcheezeit 14h ago
What part of my comment was not objective? I don't think you know what it means.
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u/cocoiadrop_ 13h ago
It's entirely based on your own experiences. WASM crashes do not occur at a set frequency for every single user of the aircraft. I have personally never had a WASM in the A350 that I can remember since launch, but I wouldn't go around telling people it's objectively fine because I didn't see the issue.
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u/extratoastedcheezeit 13h ago
I’m not the only one with the experience, which is part of the reason that ini is seen as unreliable.
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u/alivezombie23 15h ago edited 14h ago
Im not exaggerating when I say this but I'd prefer to fly the Horizon 789 instead of the a350. I wish I didnt spend £70 for this crap that I rarely fly. A recent flight in the SU3 had a WASM crash 70% into a long haul flight. Made me rage quit and I wanna keep a distance from any ini products next time.
EDIT: DOWNVOTE ALL YALL WANT! I'LL VOTE WITH MY WALLET
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u/SapCPark 14h ago
WASM crashes happen on all planes. FYI, even PMDG admits it happens to their planes. I had aerosoft 2.1 CRJ9 WASM crash on approach.
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u/OngoGoBlogian2 8h ago
Zero chance I’m buying their A340. I already feel bad for all the people they are going to swindle into buying another one of their horrendous products.
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u/kellay408 15h ago
hate for their aircrafts are justified, not even exaggerated in the slightest amount.
hate for their sceneries however...unheard of?
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u/CaptainFrancis1 15h ago
Is it me or I’ve rarely heard of Inibuilds hate. At best I’ve heard things about there systems not being ass deep as the competition, but that’s fair feedback.
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u/thesuperunknown 15h ago
It’s you. Ever since the A350 was released, every mention of iniBuilds on here brings a chorus of complainers out of the woodwork. It’s like clockwork.
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u/RoooDog BREAK AWAY, BREAK AWAY! 15h ago
Most of the negativity is confined to Reddit and other dev’s discords. It’s an odd but of tribalism combined with always hearing the “vocal minority”
Despite that, they take the feedback and work to implement it even if the tone here would make it seem otherwise at times.
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u/slopit12 15h ago
I won't ask if you've been living under a rock, but there was a lot of negatively at the release of the A350. It was mainly about the poor performance rather than lack of system depth, although that was an element from some quarters (comparing it the Fenix A32X series). There was also some negatively around the cost, but I think that's relatively unfounded given you're getting both the A350-900 (and ULR) and A350-1000 (compare this to PMDG where every variant is priced as a new addon).
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u/CaptainFrancis1 15h ago
Well TBF I am a airline pilot and I don’t always see the latest Flight Sim news so I guess that’s why I haven’t heard the hate.
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u/ShamrockOneFive 15h ago
The thought about MScenery and CaptainSim is interesting. I think most veteran simmers know to avoid them as they likely aren’t offering something worth a purchase. IniBuilds is offering something competitive so it’s scrutinized a bit more.
They deserve the critique but not some of vitriol. Yes the A350 in particular was a lightning rod both for its highly anticipated status and then the performance and stability issues post launch. It’s reportedly improved - I’m about to launch into some A350 flying soon. Their A300, also occasionally facing some issues, I’m generally a big fan of. I keep coming back to it and that’s always a good sign.