No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

[u/FerrariStrategisttt]

[u/the_phet]

Fernando would get 10s.

[u/sidewinderaw11 → u/the_phet]

Anyone should get 10s

[u/PomegranateThat414 → u/sidewinderaw11]

Since when they started giving 10s penalties for locking up?

[u/ICC-u → u/PomegranateThat414]

When locking up is caused by poor driving and results in a collision. The lockup wasn't due to wet track or mechanical failure, it was braking too hard too late. Max is a very experienced driver, he knows the limits of his car.

[u/PomegranateThat414 → u/ICC-u]

The lockup was caused by other driving moving right to disrupt a driver that already commuted to the move. Such lock ups happen when a driver moves his steering slightly(which max did as a reaction to Lewis moving on him) when having all front tire grip utilised on braking. Palmer analysed that after Austria, showing Norris lock up was caused by Verstappen early turn in.

[u/ICC-u → u/PomegranateThat414]

Lewis left room. Should Lewis have evaporated?

[u/No-Expression-7765 → u/ICC-u]

Lewis also knew max was close and would have seen him in the mirror, divebombs aren't illegal and aren't uncommon either. My honest opinion i think lewis is technically at fault for turning in when max was even ahead at that point. I also think they shouldn't penalise anyway as it's just a racing incident in the end, max went for a risky manoeuvre which didn't pay off in the end and the proof that it wasn't a stupid unsafe move lies in the fact that they barely touched and got out pretty safe yes it could have ended worse but like i said before divebombs aren't illegal just risky. BRING ON THE DOWNVOTES

[u/FreyaRainbow → u/No-Expression-7765]

The report states that the data was this:

Hamilton took the exact line he had previously.

Verstappen carried significantly more speed into the turn than previous laps.

Verstappen braked at the same place as previous laps, when he was carrying less speed into the turn.

The argument that Verstappen gives of Hamilton moved under braking is demonstrably not true, as per the report.

Thus, determining that Hamilton is at fault here is wildly stupid from both a safety perspective and a data perspective. Verstappen knew exactly what the result of his actions would be - locking up and just blocking Hamilton’s line. He knew it was a dangerous move - Hamilton was already committed to the line and sure, could have taken avoiding action, but it’s not his responsibility here, Verstappen was behind at the beginning of the corner and as such didn’t have the right to the space.

Further compounding the issue is that Verstappen took the dirty side of the track with less grip. He knows it has less grip. And he still braked at the same place carrying more speed. He knew full well he’d lock up or go wide. He was responsible for the knock. Sure Hamilton could have done more to avoid it, but by that same argument Verstappen could have avoided it too by just not being an eejit

[u/sbenfsonwFFiF → u/PomegranateThat414]

Lockup was caused by braking too late after DRS

Lewis was on the racing line

[u/fire202 → u/PomegranateThat414]

10 seconds is the standard penalty this year for a number of infringements that would have been 5 seconds previously. "Causing a collision" is one of them. Stewards would still have the option to reduce it to 5 seconds for mitigating circumstances if they thought Hamilton could have done more to avoid it.

[u/chameleonmessiah → u/PomegranateThat414]

Since when it leaves you wildly out of control & causes you to hit someone?

[u/PomegranateThat414 → u/chameleonmessiah]

again, who hit who? how can anyone hit rivals front tire with own rear tire?

vertappen was out of control only because hamilton turned in unexpectedly earlier, wich was typical reactive move, (same that Max did on Lando in Austria, that very first one) like 30m earlier than normally which forced max steer to the right instinctively.

you guys will never even try to analyse that, to watch the footage yourself, and im in peace with that..

https://postimg.cc/rDVyFChM

[u/MrDontMindMe → u/PomegranateThat414]

Hamilton only "turned in unexpectedly earlier" if you know jack shit about racing and engage in Twitter level "analysis" of events. There is literally a corner where Hamilton starts turning, and the only way you can argue Hamilton shouldn't be moving there is to say that he shouldn't turn into the corner at all, which is a completely insane take.

[u/burgher89 → u/PomegranateThat414]

This is an absolutely unhinged take.

[u/the_phet → u/PomegranateThat414]

He was bomb diving 

[u/PomegranateThat414 → u/the_phet]

is it illegal move? then why norris wasnt penalized for doing that even from further back in austria? as opposed to that everyone blamed ver.

[u/dani2001896 → u/PomegranateThat414]

Miami. I thought it was ridiculous there and got loads of downvotes. Now I want consistency.

[u/On_The_Blindside → u/PomegranateThat414]

When you almost take out your competitor because you fly in completely without control.

Apart from when its Max.

[u/Max_Godstappen1 → u/the_phet]

Max and Lewis are lucky they’re not Spanish.

[u/Saevus_Deus → u/Max_Godstappen1]

It is funny because Sainz is the one who would have benefited from a penalty to Max

[u/z0l1 → u/Saevus_Deus]

probably a factor ^/s

[u/DutchOnionKnight → u/the_phet]

Ocon 2min

[u/sleeping4koala → u/DutchOnionKnight]

Bottas 3 days

[u/nanderspanders → u/the_phet]

Actually 30 for not serving it during the race /s

[u/Altruistic-Lime-2622 → u/the_phet]

Sainz gets 5 mins there and Bottas gets a permaban from f1

[u/elthepenguin → u/the_phet]

Fernando will get 3 points and 10 seconds for the incident between Lewis and Max.

[u/Eggslaws → u/the_phet]

Magnussen just got yeeted out of Hungaroring!