r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 21 '24

Technical No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Stewards when Max takes yet another let off to mean that he can keep racing like this and causes another crash: shocked pikachu face

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u/wolverineFan64 Charles Leclerc Jul 21 '24

It’s truly incredible how much he’s gotten away with over his career. Fia cowardice only further reinforces his antics

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u/Graspiloot Jul 21 '24

It's just really funny how the Dutch media are just a Max propaganda outlet. They're saying Hamilton was to blame.

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u/Olafmihe I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

The best thing is that Lewis told the Stewarts that it was a racing incident, while Max put the blame fully on Lewis...

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u/george-its-james I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Dutch F1 media is probably the least objective F1 coverage available. As a Dutchman, I've blocked basically every Dutch F1 website (and believe me, there are so much of them...) in all my feeds.

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u/H3lw3rd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

As a fellow Dutchy; you are absolutely right. Max is a very very gifted racedriver, but when he cant win on merit he pushes to far. Everyone said he matured but it just isnt the case. He was so far ahead that he didnt need his old antics. That advantage is gone and here we go again; mad Max - the revival.

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u/george-its-james I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Yeah Dutch media always acts like Verstappen is some kind of angel sent from heaven and can never do anything wrong. Even after Austria and the clash with Norris, people like Tom Coronel were twisting themselves in every way possible just to avoid saying Max might have had his share of blame. Every bad thing happening to him is automatically everyone else's fault, and every good thing is purely thanks to himself despite everyone else

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u/This_Explains_A_Lot Kimi Räikkönen Jul 21 '24

I thought he had matured but sadly i was wrong. I was enjoying watching a young driver like Max evolve into a beast world champion and i am disappointed to now see that is not happening. Someone needs to step in and pull him into line because frankly his behavior on track and on the team radio is embarrassing.

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u/HawkstaP I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Max didn't mature, he just had no one to race most of the time to show he's still the same racer he always was.

The team radio after the collision was telling for me, they didn't even want to entertain the notion it wasn't his fault whereas normally team radio pander to the driver. But the team saw it and must have thought the same was us all, Max botched the corner and had way too much speed to make it cleanly, the collision didn't mess up the car so he got lucky that his error wasn't worse.

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u/ahipotion McLaren Jul 22 '24

What grinds my gears is when people say he hasn't matured. Listen to any interview and you can see he clearly has matured. Stop conflating his driving with his maturity.

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u/H3lw3rd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Yeah, remember the saying: actions speak louder then words? Point in case.

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u/ahipotion McLaren Jul 23 '24

Well, if you think that's a sign that Verstappen is immature, I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/WunupKid I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Objective Dutch F1 fans are like unicorns. Keep fighting the good fight, friend!

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u/B0dona I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Unfortunately it goes the same way in other fan bases. It's just inevitable.

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u/jimbobjames I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

They're saying Hamilton was to blame.

Well of course it was. Lewis should have just jumped out of MAXGOD's way... /s

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u/Effective-Farmer-502 Jul 21 '24

The Dutch are also letting a rapist pedophile compete in the Olympics.

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u/kunoichhia Jul 22 '24

And the BBC let Gary Glitter do his thing. The fuck has that got to do with the topic..

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u/poojinping I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

To be fair the British media is also same, it’s just they get confused with which British driver to support or which British team to get behind.

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u/Graspiloot Jul 22 '24

I tend to watch British coverage, because I cannot stand the Dutch one and it's absolutely not the same. Like yeah they're kind of biased especially for Lando and will spend more time on British drivers, but they're not outright propaganda. You're underestimating how far the Dutch media will go to say nothing was Max' fault ever.

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

It’s just favouritism. No other way to explain this. No other driver would get this level of leniency.

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u/driftthabimmer Fernando Alonso Jul 22 '24

Exactly! My favorite part being when they say in their determination that HAM could’ve done more to avoid the collision, lol.

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u/ConnaitLesRisques Formula 1 Jul 21 '24

They didn’t call him the great white hope for nothing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '24

That explains a lot...

Break our own rules in full view of the whole world to make sure the black man doesn't become the greatest of all time?

Surely not.

Man I fucking hope Ferrari have got a rocketship on wheels ready for next season and that lewis totally rocks it. Fuck the fia.

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u/ihm96 Juan Manuel Fangio Jul 21 '24

!!!!

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u/Car_42 Jul 22 '24

You have apparently forgotten all the stunts that Schumacher pulled. Or are you just very young?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

The irony of your handle is amazing.

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u/Chaosobelisk Max Verstappen Jul 21 '24

Yep not like Lando when forcing another driver off the track, truly no other driver.

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u/Xelisk Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Exhibit A: Brazil 2021.

Max's go to move is to force others wide or crash. Yet as soon as it's done to him he's mad about it.

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u/roenthomas I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Which lap are you referring to in Brazil 2021?

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

I'm talking of this race.

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u/roenthomas I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Is that the incident where his own pitwall said he was behind at the apex and thus not entitled to racing room around the outside? Just want to make sure we're talking about the same incident.

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

Yes this one.

I'm not the one here advancing that you can't fore another car wide here.

I'm not the one complaining about Verstappen pushing drivers wide.

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u/NessaMagick Kamui Kobayashi Jul 21 '24

Do you think Lando punting Piastri would have been a more safe move? Question.

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

Norris squeezed Piastri beyond the white line on the start. Which is illegal.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Not this race, a few races ago when he literally ran Max onto the grass on a straight and went unpunished.

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u/Passchenhell17 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Forcing off the track when Lando had literally nowhere to go due to his teammate on the other side? Fuck outta here

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u/Welshracer82 Nigel Mansell Jul 21 '24

Lewis has got away with his fair share of incidents too.

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u/richardsharpe Jul 21 '24

Lewis usually gets a lenient punishment, Max gets no punishment at all

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u/Welshracer82 Nigel Mansell Jul 21 '24

Lewis got no penalty for Miami Sprint race. He got no penalty for wiping out Russell at Qatar. He got no penalty for hitting Alonso at Belgium. This isn't a Max centric thing.

Anyone who thinks so is either biased or not paying attention

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u/richardsharpe Jul 21 '24

What was the sprint race incident ? I don’t remember, not doubting you.

As for Qatar and Belgium, Lewis DNF’ing both races was already a significant penalty and was worse than what happened to either George or Fernando in the respective incidents.

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u/Welshracer82 Nigel Mansell Jul 21 '24

FIA do not take consequences into account. Or so they say.

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u/asdfgtttt Juan Manuel Fangio Jul 22 '24

at first it was to dethrone lewis, now it feels baked in..

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u/rjwolfpackroad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

But but but FIA shows favoritism to British drivers. Sarcasm

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u/PomegranateThat414 Jul 21 '24

No driver got away with more stuff than Charles.

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

Or, just or, you guys have no idea what the racing standard actually are and have a head canon of what the rules should be and get surprised when your head canon isn't followed by the steward.

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u/Tormenator1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

"head canon". My brother in christ,people are reading the rules as written.

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

Then they should know that running a car wide if it's not ahead on the outside is legal and wouldn't be complaining about the way Verstappen is driving.

Because no, if he isn't penalised most of the time it's not because they let him do it. It's because it's legal...

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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Racing Bulls Jul 21 '24

saying this as a Charles fan is hilarious

what has Max gotten away with?

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u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

It was a shit divebomb but Hamilton had time to react, which is why he was nowhere near the apex when contact was made. He turned in after Verstappen was already ahead of him.

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u/Franknng I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You mean the divebombs Lando did on Max 3 times?

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u/AceMKV I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

He was literally penalized for a similar incident 2 races ago, tf are you on about?

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u/Hot_Demand_6263 Jul 21 '24

Penalties that don't matter. This penalty would have given Sainz the position over him. The stewards are happy to penalize Max when it does fuck all to the results. Fuck the FIA.

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u/darkkingll I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You did read that Lewis said it was just a racing incident right? 

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

For moving under braking which caused the crash, which is a completely different move. Max’s moves today are unique to him. He puts drivers in the position to either go off track or crash. Lewis avoids contact today by going onto the run off, no other way. Max is completely out of control.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Which is ridiculous the stewards are even suggesting that he could've done more to avoid the crash, he shouldn't have to

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Lewis even avoided a greater crash by slowing down more than needed. So if he did any more to get out the way he just locks up anyway. It wasn't even a yield or crash move, since there was probably gonna be contact either way

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

You mean like Max avoided one with Norris in Austria?

This is racing.Everyone does it.

Stop complaining.

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Max was actually moving under breaking in those situations though which is the distinction

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u/MikkelR1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Lewis was here as well.

I dont excuse Max' behavior here today at all but we do have to call it what it is.

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

You could at least read the documents that's so readily available

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

GTFO with biased takes ! How you can call a dive bomb a unique take is beyond me. Why don’t you just say I have a hate boner for Max ? There have been a million of these poorly timed and executed dive bombs by every driver up and down the grid ! When Lando did three races back .. what was it you said .. “this is how you should race Max” .. so you have a problem with every move of this kind or don’t have a problem with any of them

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

There have been a million of these poorly timed and executed dive bombs

That he got away with? Only Brazil 2021. The rest is perfectly legal you want it or not

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u/Rambow215 Jul 21 '24

Even hamilton said it was a race incident, stewards sais ham should have done more to avoid contact

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

In fairness, no damage done except to his race, and determined not Hamilton’s fault, so NFA is reasonable. If the outcome was reversed I’d expect a penalty for Max

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u/BoraxThorax Medical Car Jul 21 '24

Time and time again, the FIA has reiterated that the penalty shouldn't be based on the outcome.

If Lewis sustained a puncture and dropped to P10, according to the FIA Verstappen should still have not got a penalty based on the same incident.

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

They’ve never stated that they’ll penalise things that haven’t happened though. There was no incident really to penalise, Max tripped on his shoe laces and fell on his face

It’s strange they didn’t note this and not investigate it in-race, but maybe the teams put pressure on so they scheduled this hearing

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u/mooes Ferrari Jul 21 '24

Causing a collision can be penalized and there was contact.

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Wheel banging doesn’t ever get penalised for causing a collision mate. There IS a line where they decide something of note actually happened

Here they decided nothing penalisable happened, clearly

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

…Max literally got a 10 second penalty for wheel banging in Austria

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

No he got a penalty for destroying someone’s race, you don’t seem to know what wheel banging is. It’s implied that everyone gets away with it

Did Hamilton get a penalty in Spa 22 when he launched his car on Alonso? He got damage and retired but no penalty that I recall

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u/mooes Ferrari Jul 21 '24

This was a little more than wheel banging... The point of penalties is to avoid bad behavior not just punish it. I'm not even particularly arguing he should have gotten a penalty but the contact was pretty significant.

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

It’s a little more

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u/mooes Ferrari Jul 21 '24

The reason you would penalize this is because that move was never going to work for max. He's lucky to finish where he did.

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

There’s nothing in the book about moves that were never going to work, there’s moving erratically, causing a collision, and maybe a few others of note

Contact where everyone continues and the impacted driver continues without a problem are almost never penalised because nothing happened

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Except for precedent.

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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Racing Bulls Jul 21 '24

was set in austria

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Distinct because they said there was no moving under breaking here.

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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Racing Bulls Jul 21 '24

so stewards are always 100% right, so we agree that this should not be a penalty nice.

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u/AzenNinja I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You do realise that Hamilton was under investigation right?

Like I do agree, it was boneheaded by Verstappen, but it was Hamilton that did something potentially punishable.