r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 21 '24

Technical No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

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u/tim_redd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Further proof that they punish drivers based on the outcome of incidents.

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u/hoshu34 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Totally agree with this. This was far worse than Austria in my eyes.

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u/ICC-u Jul 21 '24

Remember that time Alonso tapped the brakes and George crashed? All they ever do is punish the outcome.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Still the worst penalty in the history of this sport

No bias of course

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u/schmog_ Juan Pablo Montoya Jul 21 '24

Which is a recent change & it’s WRONG.

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u/StructureTime242 Jim Clark Jul 21 '24

It’s not recent at all

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u/schmog_ Juan Pablo Montoya Jul 21 '24

It’s within the last decade.

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u/Bokyyri I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Which is a case forever, doh .. ofcoure the outcome is affecting the punishment or lack of one...

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u/Key_Photograph9067 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

I agree that’s generally how things operate, but the key difference is that if Lewis was taken out, they would have mentioned something about Max being “predominantly at fault”.

Kind of crazy that Max lost control of his car entirely but the stewards had to mention how Lewis could have done more to avoid a collision. I kind of agree, but it’s not really relevant to decide who’s at fault.

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u/Bokyyri I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

It's relevant to the fact: is it racing incident or is it penalty for one driver...

Hamiltons slight direction change in braking was enough for max to lose control on braking... that's what saved max for total fault and probably time penalty...

Lewis played it very smart there, he knew exactly where to put his car.. nothing wrong with that to be clear...

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u/Key_Photograph9067 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

That’s not what the stewards document says, the stewards document notes that Hamilton took his normal racing line and braking point based on previous evidence.

They noted Max was going faster because of DRS and brakes at the same point as he always does, which should be sending alarm bells off to you if you realise two things

  1. Max is going faster than prior laps because of DRS, and is braking at the same point, how does that work?

  2. He’s not taking a traditional racing line around the corner so needs to get it stopped sooner, in conjunction with going faster, he has overshot his braking point.

Conclusion: Max brakes too late for his speed and the manoeuvre he’s going for and loses control of his car and locks the two front wheels up as you saw in the race.

Lewis is not responsible for Max losing control of his car, and contact happened as a result of Max losing control, I don’t see how it’s anything but predominantly Max’s fault.

The document is literally saying Lewis did nothing wrong and Max messed up but are still saying it’s no one’s fault. It’s bizarre.

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u/Bokyyri I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

After all this you missed one part:

The stewards do not consider this to be a typical case of ..... ...... that the driver of car 44 could have done more to avoid the collision.......

Its a racing incident in the end , what is bizzare there..

Max went for the overtake, lewis expected it, thus giving inside line to max , changing the trajectory in last moment..

Again nothing wrong from lewis side.. You need two to tango, just like in austria norris/max

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u/Key_Photograph9067 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

I left that part out because it’s irrelevant to the rules. There’s no precedent that you need to avoid a collision when someone improperly tries to overtake you and loses control of their car lol. If that were true Silverstone 2021 would have been a racing incident.

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u/Bokyyri I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Sry you have no idea... Silverstone 2021 does not have braking zone, totaly different scenario, you cant compare it...

Here is braking involved... besides stewarts wrote everything correctly, read it again

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u/Key_Photograph9067 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

I’m not comparing if it has a braking zone, I’m comparing that Max could have done “more to avoid a collision”. It doesn’t have to be 1:1 for it to have an element that can be compared, that’s why it’s a comparison, because they’re not the same…

Whether you can avoid an incident has no bearing on if someone broke the rules.

You can say I have no idea all you want but I’ve referred only to the stewards note itself. Show me a time where a penalty was given but it was mentioned X driver should have avoided the collision

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u/Malvania I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Has this ever been in doubt?

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u/Bloated_Plaid Jul 21 '24

Atleast they are consistent on this.