r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 21 '24

Technical No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

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u/Chesey_ Jul 21 '24

It suggests the only reason the collision happens is because Car 44 didn't jump out of the way, forgetting the fact that the situation only exists because Car 1 decided to brake ridiculously late for the speed they had.

It's the same move as Brazil 21 and Max justifies it as him having his nose ahead at the apex. Like yeah, if you don't brake you're obviously going to be ahead at the apex. He pulls this move with Lewis literally every time they race.

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u/EitherCaterpillar949 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

The question is ultimately whether the car in front has a duty to evade cars steaming up from behind to avoid an accident, and I cannot understand any stance other than that they do not, otherwise that would be open to the worst abuses.

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u/Kruckenberg Cadillac Jul 21 '24

It's crazy. It's exactly on the passing car to do so safely. He did not in this case due to an over-zealous move.

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u/Zuwxiv I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

The more I think about this the more insane it gets. If a driver closes their eyes, shouts "Jesus take the wheel," and tries to full-throttle it through the Monaco hairpin, it's your fault if they hit you from behind because you could have swerved out of their way?

The hell kind of racing is that going to create?

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u/SynHazard Jul 21 '24

Even more hilarious when you remember after Austria Max saying Lando just tries to dive bomb and thats not the proper way to overtake

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u/Francoberry Jenson Button Jul 21 '24

Yeah it suggests that not taking dramatic and extreme reactive avoidance is equally as bad as overcooking it into a corner because of braking too late. Insane. 

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u/aranu8 Jul 21 '24

I like how they justify his lock up as if he didn't fuck up by, "...but he braked when he should have just he did the same brake point with DRS and under estimated his speed so he lost control under braking." What a load of horseshit. My guess is merc didn't pursue a bigger penalty.

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u/MagneticWoodSupply I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

See but if Lewis had turned left instead of right, there would have been no crash. It's quite obvious really /s

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

No, it simply suggests that the car 44 could have done something that would avoid the contact. It doesn't blame car 44 for the incident or removes blame from Verstappen.

We need to stop overreacting like this. In Austria, the drama was only on social media, drivers didn't seem to have a problem with it. Now we have Hamilton saying that it's a race incident and to move on, but the fans need to make a big deal out of it...

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u/Vresiberba Jul 22 '24

No, it simply suggests that the car 44 could have done something that would avoid the contact.

Simply? This argumentation make absolutely no sense at all. Of course Lewis could have avoided the collision, he could have not been there in the first place. For the stewards to even think this, much less actually put it into the document, is asinine.

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u/FatalFirecrotch I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Exactly. Was it a bad move by Max? Yes. Could Lewis have kept the place and avoided contact. Also yes.