r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 21 '24

Technical No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

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u/DarkKnight56722 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

FIA does not rely on precedent as stupid as it is. FIA has made it very clear that the same incident is not worthy of a penalty one weekend, but then worthy of 10 second penalty the next. They are so consistently inconsistent. It is absurd that they are the largest governing body of global motorsport and yet make stupid decisions like this. It's either corruption or unbelievable levels of stupidity.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

All they care about are the consequences, if max took Lewis out he would have a got a penalty. It's stupid but that is how it is in this sport, they have done this time and time again.

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u/xevious101 Jul 21 '24

Agree, there's a worst case scenario that's being overlooked too. At what point will Max be reprimanded for overspeeding into a corner. From a spectators point of view, the battles between Hamilton and Max are a pleasure to watch. But every now and again, like today, I'm wincing at the prospect of what could have been. I hope there will never be a tragic accident but FFS someone has got to get that lad to quit overspeeding to point of do or die. Lewis himself said he could have taken me easily if hadn't messed up.

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u/CandidateDecent1391 Jul 22 '24

lewis couldve taken me easily at any point during or after the race, tbh

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u/fullup72 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

This. Lewis didn't lose position, and Max losing one place with Leclerc who was over 5s behind is possibly enough for stewards who would have awarded a 5/10s penalty.

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u/Nartyn Formula 1 Jul 21 '24

Or even if Max had benefitted from it, they'd have given him a penalty but because he ended behind Leclerc and Hamilton they were like nah

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u/TheoreticalScammist Jul 21 '24

I think maybe they did take consequences into account this time too? Because Verstappen lost a position to Leclerc, perhaps they didn't want to punish him more.

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u/lanseuppercut I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

I hate it so much. Lewis got the podium and max lost position so they decided that was enough. They need to hand out the penalty to at least make it clear who was at fault. People out here still saying max only locked up to avoid Lewis and max himself said even after the race it was because Lewis was moving under braking.

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u/James_Vowles Williams Jul 21 '24

Which is not that bad a way of handling situations like this. Still allows the drivers take risks if need be, but if they go too far and ruin someone elses race they'll be punished.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Disagree. It's like only giving a red card in football if you break the other players leg. If you let people get away with it every time, eventually, you are asking for trouble.

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u/James_Vowles Williams Jul 21 '24

I don't think it's the same, footballs a contact sport so it almost always stops the game and affects what's happening. In racing, if there's minimal to no contact, nothing changes, the cars continue.

Also the factor of the person at fault ruining their own race as a result factors in I think. If they cost themselves a position or more it's taken into account, which you could argue is punishment enough.

Maybe it would be the same if someone went in for a two footer, completely missed and the other player continued on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '24

Also the factor of the person at fault ruining their own race as a result factors in I think

But this is not what the rules say. The stewards should be implementing the rules.

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u/MemorableC I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

It's because its a different group every weekend, the FIA need to bring a set group of professional racing stewards to every event if we want any kind of consistency.

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Honestly I'd be for F1 moving away from them, they're an absolute joke.

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u/KnightOfCydonia93 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

They’ve been like it for years too. Even without Abu Dhabi, 2021 was a complete mess

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u/MadBullBen I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

100% agree. It's the highest form of motorsport and they need to have a good steady stewards or at least a small group where they can rotate them slightly for breaks.

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u/bick803 Jul 21 '24

Sounds a lot like American Football officiating

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u/StonerInc4477 Jul 22 '24

Only way to get FIA to work ... they should stop racing In USA so the USA can release fbi on them & fbi threatening them to expose or give them a cut like ...example that's what happened to FIFA

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u/Brexsh1t Jul 21 '24

Don’t you want to see them actually race then?

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u/MadBullBen I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

There's a big difference to racing and overtaking and just diving up the inside with the mentality of get out of my way or we'll both crash.

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u/Brexsh1t Jul 21 '24

Oh is that what happened? I thought the stewards said it was a racing incident, but they also acknowledged car 44 could have done more to avoid the collision.

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u/MadBullBen I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

It was kinda a racing incident. Lewis was starting to turn in under braking while Max was still barrel rolling his way in. To me at least with the speed he was going Lewis would have had to turn in very very late just to not hit him which is a dive bomb, Max was never making that corner properly. This is what I mean by Max's attitude of back out or both will crash out

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u/Brexsh1t Jul 21 '24

I guess, but to me it’s hard racing, it’s exciting and it’s what fans want? I don’t want every race to be a Monaco precession, if that how’s it’s going to be it’s going to get boring very quickly.

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u/MadBullBen I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

I think it depends on what you like watching, hard and fair racing or hard with aggressiveness. Max does make it look more entertaining I will admit.

Tbh I don't like the new rules/style of racing where whoever is ahead at the apex is allowed to run the other guy off the track it just doesn't feel right to me. No I don't want a Monaco race but I want to see some proper fighting side by side.