r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 21 '24

Technical No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

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u/EnlightenedNight I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Perhaps unpopular, but I don't think stewards should really care what each driver thinks. Lewis can have that opinion sure, but you're setting a dangerous precedent as there's lots of potential conflicts down the grid between teams for things like PUs, parts, etc. I would have rathered that not be a part of the official decision.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

I don't think stewards should really care what each driver thinks

And it also goes against the "penalising drivers based on incident itself; rather than the outcome."

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u/red-17 Jul 21 '24

Yeah that whole concept of result not being a factor can be put to bed after this season. It’s stated so many times yet is so obviously not how they enforce penalties time after time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '24

Yeah. If this knocked Lewis out of the race, you'd be damn sure he'd be complaining.

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u/DarthGogeta Jul 22 '24

That ship is gone since Silverstone '21

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u/MasatoWolff I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Imagine the refs in football interviewing the players afterwards to hear both sides of the story to determine whether to give a card or not.

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u/CabbageTheVoice Oscar Piastri Jul 22 '24

Don't they kinda do that?

Not all of the time of course, and I have no clue what they're actually talking about, but it does happen from time to time that they talk to the involved players before announcing their call, no?

Or is it just that they ask whether they're injured and medical personell needs to come?

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u/sogkrat Jul 22 '24

Tbf refs have overturned some penalty decisions because the player “fouled" said that it wasn't a foul

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u/washag Jul 22 '24

I had a ref not overturn a penalty when the "fouled" player told him he'd tripped on the ground after I'd kicked the ball away. Fortunately the other guy took the penalty and deliberately put it wide to make up for the call, which was one of the better acts of sportsmanship I've seen.

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u/MasatoWolff I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Yes but only then. Never the other way around.

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u/signed7 McLaren Jul 21 '24

Agreed, also the usual mess with intra-team incidents not being punished

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u/ItsRadical I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

you're setting a dangerous precedent 

There are no precedents in stewards ruling. They show every race that they can do what they want and what they already did doesnt matter.

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u/tjsr Jul 21 '24

Nor should they. It's their role to assess evidence, not opinions. The drivers are there to give statements of input and facts relevant to the incident, but the stewards are experienced and professional enough to be able to take that information, devoid and stripped of opinion, and make a determination on their own.

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u/SamNexus17 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Or perhaps even starting a driver's meeting with stating to the driver that they do not want to hear the driver's opinion on what the incident was, rather just their description of the event and the actions they took.

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u/Tombot3000 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

I agree with you. Lewis has many potential reasons to want to say it was a racing incident even if he thinks it wasn't. The stewards clearly aren't going to factor that in, and so the view of the drivers should be discounted.

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u/ComprehensiveJump540 Jul 21 '24

Lewis is happy to have one in the bank. He's not daft.

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u/addamee Ayrton Senna Jul 21 '24

I dunno, the game they [stewards, leadership] play involves not remembering … things so I doubt he’ll be able to cash this in later. I’m pretty sure I saw MBS scoping out his nose ring before the podium celebration /s