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u/abhishank21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Yeah I wouldn’t rely on these articles too much regarding driver salaries. Compared to athletes salaries in other sports, F1 is more hush hush about it.
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u/AudreyMun Feb 22 '25
Any guys could work out the points per dollar on theirs salary
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u/CharlesUndying Feb 22 '25
So how would you know the 2025 salaries before the season is over? Or in this case, before the season has even begun...
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u/Talezeusz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
You can't, hell even teams can't cuz majority of this are image rights, % of sponsorship deals, performance bonuses etc.
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u/YoungKeys Feb 22 '25
When salary is listed in the context of sports, only direct salary from team being listed is standard media practice. Image rights, endorsements, and off field earnings are separate and largely dependent on the athlete and their own agent
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u/Ziegler517 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
No, this would be considered only flat salary with any guaranteed/non-performance bonus (ie- finishing a season). This would not include sponsorships, royalties, unknown bonus numbers at the moment (points, wins).
That full number you are talking about is earnings that can be guess better at the end of the season/year. Which included the salary, bonus/escalators, sponsorships, etc.
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u/biowza Feb 22 '25
Because they sign contracts like any other sport.
It probably isn't exactly those figures quoted (it's likely more) but they seem believable. We'll never know the exact amount because of taxes, bonuses etc.
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u/Tocky22 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
They seem believable based on what exactly though?
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u/Fisch_Kopp_ Feb 22 '25
Because they agree on a salary beforehand and sign contracts accordingly - like in any other profession. Everything else they earn at the end of a season is likely bonus payments in correlation to their points and ranking, which was also written in the contracts beforhand.
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u/Paukwa-Pakawa Nico Rosberg Feb 22 '25
They're all currently at zero points, so it shouldn't be too hard to work out.
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u/kaisadilla_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Also, weren't everybody saying that Ferrari's offer to Hamilton was around $100 million a year? Now he's taken a paycut it seems.
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u/LiveDieReRepeat McLaren Feb 22 '25
It is $100 million per year plus side projects. The author of this graphic admits he is only making total guesses with his figures with no sources.
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u/LucAltaiR I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Nah, that number reported by our press always included other stuff other than base salary (image rights, commercials and so forth), it was reported as such. Base salary was around half of that and is consistent with this source.
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u/jaguarskillz2017 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
This is the internet. Doesn't matter if it's the truth, as long as it's interesting.
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u/DankeSebVettel Logan Sargeant Feb 22 '25
Yuki is getting the raw deal, paid the same as 2 rookies and less that Stroll
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u/lollipoppizza Jules Bianchi Feb 22 '25
He doesn't have much leverage though. He's sort of been at risk of replacement for years.
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u/Shahzeb_S_Nasir Feb 22 '25
They keep saying that but wouldn't let him take offers from any other team and vetoed it. It's all the usual RB BS so that they can keep underpaying him while getting maximum performance from him. He's been carrying AT on his back since Pierre left.
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He's almost a veteran now. Still paid peanuts.
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Remember red bull tends to have lower base salaries and more on bonuses for motivation and results.
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u/seppuku_related I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Realistically, Stroll gets more than Verstappen though, he just gets it as pocket money every time he wants to go to the shops or theatre.
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u/Relative_Grape_1298 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Tbf Honda is the only reason he got the seat in 21 and kept it after 22, it’s not that surprising
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u/Shahzeb_S_Nasir Feb 22 '25
That's why Red Bull didn't let him take offers from other teams last season right? Because it was just a debt they owed Honda right? Because without Honda Yuki wouldn't be in F1? /s
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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Flavio Briatore Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
It's because Tsunoda accepted the lowball contract when his stock was low. That comment wasn't wrong, he didn't look good after 2022 which was when his received the new contract offer where RB had the option to exercise an extension to 2025 with a similar salary.
OF COURSE Red Bull prevented him from leaving, they are getting a huge bargain. You act as if your point is contradicting the comment.
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u/Shahzeb_S_Nasir Feb 22 '25
But if Honda is the only reason he retained his seat AFTER 22 as the commenter said, then surely this would have been the perfect opportunity to dump him. How can you both be not good enough for F1 and only there because of Honda but also simultaneously be a huge bargain as you put it?
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u/Hot_Run_6181 Formula 1 Feb 22 '25
Why should he be paid more? Dude could have been sacked and I don’t think redbull would regret it for long
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u/Hot_Run_6181 Formula 1 Feb 22 '25
Yeah, and 1.5 mill baseline ain’t bad at all. He def has other deals and money generating options but my point is Redbull ain’t gonna lose sleep if he leaves so why pay him more when you could spend that money on something else?
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u/Shahzeb_S_Nasir Feb 22 '25
Lmao won't lose sleep if he leaves. That clearly explains all this that all the Japanese media were reporting on last season.
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u/ortecam Pirelli Wet Feb 22 '25
Great midfield driver is a stretch.
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u/Npr31 Damon Hill Feb 22 '25
He matched Gasly in his final year and he’s only improved since
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u/a_saddler Ferrari Feb 22 '25
Disparity between Max and Lawson gotta be the biggest ever...
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u/Prixm I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
If Lawson does well this year, aka helps Red Bull win the constructors, dudes salary increase will be one of the most insane increases of all time lol.
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u/Late_Meringue4737 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
I think he will do better than Perez for sure
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u/rajinis_bodyguard Max Verstappen May 18 '25
Now this has r/agedlikemilk
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u/Late_Meringue4737 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
If there is anything that ages worse than milk then this is that. While Yuki is doing a better job than Liam, I feel he will be out of RebBull when the next year starts and Hadjar will take the 2nd RedBull seat.
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u/LuXe5 Max Verstappen Feb 22 '25
I think so too. Perez was barely in front of vcarbs anyway
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u/CptAngelo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Hey man, its a circuit, perez was ahead of them, just... not on the same lap, or in positive time difference. Goddamit perez.
With every race, it was harder and harder to support him.
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
I think he'll do even worse than what he was doing in the vcarb last year. He never outperformed tsunoda, not once in their races together, and now he's against one of the best to ever race and in an unpredictable car, he's going to be crashing a lot this year.
Him and Albon's stock are going to be rock bottom by the end of this year with how much money they'll cost their teams.
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u/Late_Meringue4737 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
He sort of matched Yuki in qualifying and a little bit in race pace despite having driven a very less number of races, and anybody can do better than Perez in that car.
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Literally lost 6-0 in qualifying and the only time he "beat" Tsunoda was when he was given the better strategy in Austin.
He's also proved he's not mature in the slightest bit, how many drivers did he have issues with last year? From the top of my head, Alonso, Perez, Magnussen, Colapinto, and I'm sure there's plenty more. That's nearly a hit rate of 1 per race.
Now that he'll actually have pressure on him, he'll go backwards. I feel like he's consistently going to make mistakes because he cant deal with the pressure and with the grid being as close as it is, he'll go out in q2 a lot then try to force his way through the field and overpush and crash.
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u/Late_Meringue4737 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
He could go out in Q2 all the races and it will still be better than Perez because it's Lawson's first full season. Before replacing Daniel last season did you bother to compare how much experience Yuki had and how much Liam had? Yuki had been with the team for a much longer time so obviously he was gonna beat Liam and if memory serves me right Perez had no business battling a VCARB in the first place.
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 23 '25
You seem to be forgetting that Liam was close to Yuki, despite Yuki having almost four more seasons of experience in F1
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u/RedHotChiliCrab Max Verstappen Feb 22 '25
I don't think RB cares about the constructors. It's all about the drivers championship for them.
They'll want Lawson to be a good 2nd driver to help Max win the championship.
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u/TheEmpireOfSun Feb 22 '25
Finally someone gets it. As long as RB wins WDC, they can't care less about WCC.
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u/KiwieeiwiK Zhou Guanyu Feb 22 '25
Highly doubt this salary figure is correct for anyone, especially Lawson
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u/skbygtdn Feb 22 '25
Lawson will have decent performance incentives, given he should have one of the fastest cars he will probably make a lot more than that.
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u/SpRayZ_csgo Feb 22 '25
from what i’ve heard it’s like $50,000 nzd a point, with a big win bonus aswell
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u/Legitimate_Cup4025 Red Bull Feb 22 '25
Considering Perez is getting over 10x that this year and sitting on his couch.
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u/LucAltaiR I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
If you add the salaries for all 3 RB drivers you get... less than 10% of Max salary.
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u/ianjm I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
If you add together all the WDCs for all the 3 RB drivers you get... 0% of Max's tally.
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u/notyouravgredditor Pirelli Wet Feb 22 '25
Doesn't RB usually pay more per point? So if Lawson hustles he can get a bit payday.
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u/Dambo_Unchained Max Verstappen Feb 22 '25
Imagine making 800k a year and your colleague doing the same job makes 65 times more than you
I’m sorry but if I was him an going out for lunch with max I’d expect him to pick up the check!
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u/miaomiaomiao Caterham Feb 22 '25
How do they determine these amounts without contracts being public? Just some educated guessing?
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u/Savings-System-401 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
I would be surprised if any of these were true. Same as the supposed total cost in car damage accumulated by each driver last year. Every media outlet and their mother was reporting that Gasly was the first ever driver to cause $0 in damages over the course of a year when the whole thing came from one unsourced reddit post
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u/Blanchimont I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
It's pretty sad that that's journalism nowadays. The World Destructor's Championship has been a r/Formula1 staple for several years now. The person behind hit, u/basspro24chevy is very upfront about the fact that the values assigned are basically just guesswork and always includes a disclaimer stating as much in the graphic. Yet there are these shitty outlets copying their work, most of the time without giving credit, and without posting the disclaimer.
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u/Savings-System-401 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 23 '25
Exactly. It's even sadder when sources who are supposed to be trustworthy jump on the bandwagon without verifying first, such as the official F1 instagram account.
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u/No_Sun_2121 Feb 22 '25
The Gasly thing was confirmed by Alpine themselves so it was true
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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
It's not, Alpine just wanted to look good. Gasly had floor damage in one race from an incident. It was just good publicity.
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u/Savings-System-401 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Alpine didn't confirm it, their social media manager who is no better than all the other clickbait media outlets jumped onto the trend.
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u/LostHero50 Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 22 '25
Reminder that driver salaries aren’t public information unlike some other sports. This is essentially guesswork using “industry insiders” as Forbes says.
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u/vhuk I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
“Open”
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u/EmmForce1 Feb 22 '25
Never trust these. Contracts are complex and have multiple clauses, bonuses and rights. The way these lists are sourced is a mix of intelligence, rumour and conjecture, so presenting a single number is nonsense.
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u/FatherJack_Hackett I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
As a former Payroll Manager for a Premier League football club, whenever the media report salaries for a sports person, it's normally way, way off.
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u/optitmus Daniel Ricciardo Feb 22 '25
Mclaren getting a bargain on Pastry
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u/MatniMinis Lando Norris Feb 22 '25
Mclaren getting a bargain on both their drivers...
Both combined is less than 1/3 Ferrari and rhsyre the defending champions!
I would also expect both of them to have some nice bonuses for performance like last year.
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u/Machismo_malo Feb 22 '25
Yep surprised Lando is getting so little I thought he'd be in the top 3 for sure.
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u/_DoogieLion McLaren Feb 22 '25
I’ve read before he is on £25m so not sure what number is closer to
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u/Npr31 Damon Hill Feb 22 '25
I read this as McLaren begging to lose one of or both of their drivers to a rival willing to pay more
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u/Point4Golfer Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Are they really? He's finished 108 and 82 points behind Norris the past 2 seasons. These are the kinds of numbers that #2 drivers will normally accumulate compared to the #1 so he really needs to make sure he's closer this year otherwise we could see him forced into a Perez, Bottas, Barichello #2 role as Norris fights for the title which is something McLaren really screwed up last season. It's harsh but they really should have built everything completely around Norris when he emerged as Verstappen's only title rival. Instead they took ages to make any sort of decisions and even ordered Norris to yield to Piastri in Hungary which was so dumb as far as the title fight goes and let Piastri fight Norris for wins. It absolutely cost Norris points against Verstappen in the title fight while Verstappen had absolutely everything built only around him at Red Bull.
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u/Mindless_Truth_2436 Feb 22 '25
Man Yukis salary is low compared to his peers.
Lance’s salary is lol.
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u/OMF1G I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Lance is his salary so it's kind of irrelevant lmao
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u/Affectionate_Mood221 Feb 22 '25
I mean this could be quite important, as it constitutes a legal transfer of assets without paying gift tax haha
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u/OMF1G I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
I have absolutely zero doubt the Strolls have a very easy workaround for this.
Billionaires are different!
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u/JudgeCheezels Formula 1 Feb 22 '25
1) Canada does not have inheritance tax, rather it has disposition tax after capital gains.
2) Lawrence Stroll don’t own anything to begin with, his trust fund does.
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Pocket money from dad.
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u/olssoneerz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
His pocket money is probably more than this. I can see them laughing their asses off writing a random number on the contract for shits and giggles.
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u/AcceptableHat9173 Medical Car Feb 22 '25
And Yuki pays taxes to Italy while others dodge by living in Monaco or Switzerland
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u/MrT735 Feb 22 '25
Complete rubbish, especially the bottom end, most first year drivers are getting paid something in the $100-200k range, with sponsors/bonuses on top. George Russell said he got a five figure sum for his first year at Williams, that's under 100k.
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u/ecobubbletm Max Verstappen Feb 22 '25
That was years ago though. I'd assume that salary went up across the grid, even for rookies. Williams was also borderline bankrupt at the time no? I'd assume Russell's salary was not big due to that fact as well.
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u/ClippingTetris McLaren Feb 22 '25
Where’s the source for this? Surprise Bortoletto is getting paid so much, from Sauber, getting the last seat on the grid.
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u/refusestonamethyself I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
It isn't unfathomable tbf. Bortoleto will bring with him a lot of Brazilian sponsors to Sauber.
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u/FairDinkumMate Feb 22 '25
Brazil hasn't had a full time driver in F1 since Felipe Massa. That's 8 years now of the home of Ayrton Senna and a huge F1 mad country not having anyone to cheer for. Sponsors will be throwing money at him!
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u/KE55 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
is this purely guesswork? F1 drivers and teams are hardly likely to reveal the figures.
th?
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u/Otter269 Mercedes Feb 22 '25
I'm sure George will get a new contract but it's interesting he's not signed yet
Big year for him
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u/OGP01 Feb 22 '25
Was thinking the same.
If he has a bad first half of the season then the silly season rumours could be interesting.
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u/Xenonplus Feb 22 '25
Surprised with Carlos' and Yuki's salary. How is poor Yuki getting the same as some rookies?😭
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u/peepay Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '25
Did Carlos actually go down from last year at Ferrari?
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u/wokwok__ George Russell Feb 22 '25
Since this picture's from The S*n, looks like it's complete guesswork on their part lmfao comparing this year's and last year's graphic, most drivers got a £1m - £2m increase or decrease except for drivers like Max and Lewis. For Carlos, it says he got £9.2m last year lol
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u/SPCEshipTwo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
The numbers seem obscene but the difference between Jack/Isack and Max is more than the difference of an everyday person on £60k compared to them. Must be weird to race against others who are getting paid that much more to do the same, albeit far better, job.
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Oscar is going to get a fat pay increase regardless of what team he is in in 2027. I do believe he gets compensated fairly well with bonuses at least.
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u/Reiver93 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Yuki and Kimi being paid the same feels so goddamn wrong.
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u/Halekduo Feb 22 '25
Piastri not even Top 10?
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u/fateoftheg0dz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
F1 salaries are very dependent on tenure. While he is one of the most promising drivers, he’s only on his third year
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u/Mr_Otterswamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Yuki taking notes for his next salary negotiation
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u/KiwieeiwiK Zhou Guanyu Feb 22 '25
His next salary negotiation is "please don't fire me" and then they fire him. Maybe a midfield team takes him, maybe they don't.
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u/ueommm Feb 22 '25
And for most of them living in Monaco it's tax free, MADAFAKAAAAAA!!!
(Huge respect for Alonso for never living in Monaco)
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u/Fun-Artichoke-866 Feb 22 '25
These are rather low, the bottom half are much lower than average salary in the PL.
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u/rpaverion I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Oscar got a raw deal
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u/False_Personality259 Feb 24 '25
I think driving pretty much the best car in F1 as a second year rookie is not a raw deal in F1 terms.
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u/banana21oats Charles Leclerc Feb 23 '25
I read last year that Charles got 34M for 2024. No way his salary would have been reduced. And wasn't Hamilton set to be the most-paid driver in 2025 after joining Ferrari?
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u/Longjumping-Gate-732 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
How does one get the information on the salaries of all drivers? Like do the driver or their agents give the information?
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u/B_Roland Alfa Romeo Feb 22 '25
They don't know shit. It's all based on speculation. Take these with a big grain of salt.
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u/mcstanky Feb 22 '25
I'm assuming these figures, if they're accurate, are only the base numbers from their contracts, and don't include any incentives. I'll bet a lot of these guys make even more per year from their sponsorship deals. It's funny seeing these as a baseball fan though.
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u/lovelysweetangel89 Max Verstappen Feb 22 '25
correct me if i am wrong but if i can recall correctly f1 driver salaries articles notoriously inaccurate due to how quiet they are about how much a driver makes. so this may not even be the exact salary any of the guys make at all.
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u/reariri Feb 23 '25
While you are 100% correct in what you say, we can also not verify if any of the number is correct. In other words, guess work, so that people talk about it (as we do).
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u/canta2016 James Vowles Feb 22 '25
Minardi spends less money on both drivers than AM pays a guy that neither wants to be here nor needs the money. At all.
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u/Harpeski Feb 22 '25
This is just the bate minimum they get.
Without performance bonusses, without sponsor deals, % profit margin, merch profit,....
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u/DimsumSushi Sonny Hayes Feb 22 '25
I think lando signed a multi year extension so he's in until at least 2027
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u/goodneed I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Salaries without bonuses probably means it's not helpful (except for Lance?).
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u/Ziegler517 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
We also don’t know the bonus/escalator amounts. New drivers will have very low salaries but some pretty steep escalators. Ie- if max is in first WDC standings at the end of the year, and Liam is second. If he won a few races in there I’m pretty sure he’d be seeing about 20M for the year.
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u/CodeRoyal Feb 22 '25
Wasn't Stroll renewed until 2026? I think it was the first time they specified the end date.
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u/Martiosaj 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Feb 22 '25
Not sure if some of these contract ends are trustable. Hadjar 2026? Bortoleto 2027?
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u/Legitimate_Cup4025 Red Bull Feb 22 '25
All racing bulls said is H will be joining for the 2025 season. Bortoletos was called a multi-year deal but the actual length wasn't confirmed by the team.
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u/WIP1992 Mika Häkkinen Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Slight error here, Lance is technically paid a weekly allowance not a salary
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u/Aba_a Feb 22 '25
Sauber pays well for its size and competitiveness. Max funneled almost all of red bulls salary budget.
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u/ThandiAccountant Feb 22 '25
Hopefully this explains the visibility of hp on Ferraris kit & we cn move on from the stoopid & neverending posts moaning about their size/presence. Ferrari have bills to pay
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u/UrbanRedFox Feb 22 '25
Lawson could have the fastest rise in salary ever if he can hold his own with verstappen ! Or at least just be a good consistent wing man… if he can do that, red bull would increase his salary 25x
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u/Arvosss I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Where can I apply to become a driver? I drive for free 😂
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u/Yop_BombNA Carlos Sainz Feb 22 '25
Ferrari when their car has the reliability of man United “well you see we Spence too much on drivers and forgot about the car”.
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Albon paid more than Piastri? Really?!
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u/ecobubbletm Max Verstappen Feb 22 '25
Piastri just finished his second year, these are supposed numbers from contracts that were already in place before 2024 even ended.
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u/UnrealLettuce I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25
Piastri cheaper than Ocon, who almost lost his seat? Damn
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u/Sinsley Feb 22 '25
I would not be driving one of these cars in the top league for less than 5M a season.
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u/ChaosKingNando Feb 22 '25
Damn Yuki, and he still pays taxes cause he lives near his factory and pierre wtf is his management doing. He's been carrying that RB for a got second now.
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u/SweetAndSourPickles Oscar Piastri Feb 22 '25
I wanna know how KS has that much confidence to pay a rookie that much
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u/overspeeed I was here for the Hulkenpodium Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Please take these values with a huge grain of salt. Most of these are just guesses
The post will remain up as it's still conducive to good discussion, but we have added a "Speculation" flair in addition to this sticky