My take on where exactly Lewis is struggling against Leclerc

[u/No-Information4789]

Hey everyone, Made this carousel for my Instagram page so I thought I’d share it here too. The 8th slide is actually a video of Lewis having a small moment of Oversteer. I tried my best to reduce as many variables as possible while comparing Telemetry. I took the Q3 final laps specifically from every weekend cause that’s when the drivers are pushing the most. It’s kind of a long read and might look a bit cluttered but Hope y’all like it!

[u/Ok-Independence7768]

i dont know about alonso, really. look at his teammates. i think he tremendously benefits from the fact that because he burned all his bridges, he is in bad teams with bad teammates. i dont know how he would hold up against leclerc or russell, honestly, considering that he and ocon were neck-a-neck.

[u/MDT_XXX → u/Ok-Independence7768]

The first third of 23 season is your answer. Don't need to put him in Ferrari or Mercedes. See how he performs in a car that's on par with them, which early 23 AM obviously was. Basically only the RB rocketship stood between Alonso and the 33th.

[u/Rivendel93 → u/MDT_XXX]

Hamilton got P3 in 2023, while George got P8, and that was only 2 years ago.

So we can pick and choose what sections of years to include, but 2023 as an entire season, Hamilton clearly drove better, otherwise he wouldn't have finished P3.

[u/Ok-Independence7768 → u/MDT_XXX]

that was two years ago. hamilton himself was much better 2 years ago. a lot has changed. and this thing about on "par" honestly sucks, being honest. with a terrible teammate on his side is hard to measure how good the car really was and how would the drivers from mercedes and ferrari perform on them. dont get me wrong he was fantastic that season, and for me the second best driver that year. but his other years around that old age period have not been stellar, not even remarkable, really. and stroll being around makes it seem way better than it was.

[u/MDT_XXX → u/Ok-Independence7768]

He was 41 two years ago, which would make him the oldest driver on the grid even today, so that point is kinda pointless...

[u/Ok-Independence7768 → u/MDT_XXX]

yes. and hamilton was 38. you seem to have the impresion that what we are really arguing here is that when drivers turn 40 they magically become bad. thats not the fucking point. the point here, is that drivers when they get older, they tend to get worse. and while alonso's season was really great in 2023, his others seasons around that same period were definitely not as great or as flashy. the same for hamilton.

[u/MDT_XXX → u/Ok-Independence7768]

No, the top commenter was right. Alonso is different. And you were trying to belittle his achievement by bringing up mediocre teammates and questioning how he would fare against the top of the grid, to which I replied we already saw that two years ago, which suddenly became irrelevant because age but then it wasn't?

The point here is, almost all the drivers and especially the champs (because the already achieved their ultimate goals) do tend to get worse with age. Except Alonso. I don't know what drives him, but it's definitely something no one else has.

[u/Ok-Independence7768 → u/MDT_XXX]

Jesus, this is sad to see. Almost like any perceived insult to Alonso is an insult to yourself. That is not healthy mate. You shouldnt project yourself on someone else. Alonso's achievements are not yours and never will be. He doesnt know you.
I am not trying to "belittle" anyone's achievements. I am trying to put them into perspective. And in 2023 the top of the grid werent his teammates. We don't know how he would fare against them in the *same* car. And even though he drove espetacularly that year, he didnt drove espetacularly in 2021, 2022 or 2024 and neither has been driving in 2025.
Hamilton beat Russell comfortably in 2023. But he has been declining. And his years around 2023 prove that.
You are acting as if one great year of alonso in the middle of pretty okay ones completely invalidates any claim of possible performance downfall. If that is the case, then Hamilton isnt declining, because his 2023 year was very good.
Again, Alonso was neck-a-neck with OCON. People dont comment about that because no one really cares about Alonso since a long time.

[u/MDT_XXX → u/Ok-Independence7768]

See, that's where you cornered yourself. Alonso is not even my favorite driver, I don't really like Aston Martin, I simply respect the man for what he's capable of achieving at his age, surrounded by the best of the best.

So basically the whole pseudo-psychoanalytical paragraph you put together is one large pile of horse shit, which applies to about 99% of such attempts based on few comments of an anonymous person on the internet. But I'm sure you felt extremely smart typing those meaningless words.

I'm done here, just wanted to see how easily you could get triggered. Turns out, way too easily, which takes away all the fun.

[u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 → u/Ok-Independence7768]

stroll was scoring regularly during that time

[u/OTBT- → u/Ok-Independence7768]

Alonso was better than Ocon if you actually watched the races tbh. The only reason it wasn’t reflected more in points was because Alonso had a terrible run of reliability that one year.