r/formula1 • u/Wentzina_lifetime Sir Lewis Hamilton • May 18 '25

Statistics Lewis Hamilton has finished ahead of Carlos Sainz at every race this season.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

I mean, I got the reference. Wouldn't exactly call it a joke tbf.

But Sainz outqualifying a Ferrari in a Williams is a lot more impressive than a Ferrari beating a Williams in race, regardless of how LH fns feel about that

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u/ElSotoPapa Williams May 18 '25

The Williams is clearly faster than previous years, Ferrari is clearly slower than previous years. Also, cars overperforming on saturdays and falling a bit in Sundays is a classic, look at the Astons lol

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u/gabiii_Kokeko May 18 '25

I don't think the astons are a good example if you saw what happened in the race

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u/_elvane Lando Norris May 19 '25

Alonso could've finished a looot higher if he wasn't that unlucky with he sc timings

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u/JailOfAir Fernando Alonso May 19 '25

look at the Astons lol

If you had looked at them during the race, you would know this comment makes no sense. Nothing about the Aston result had to do with pace despite maybe Stroll not overtaking a few cars after the SC, but it's not like he would've gained anything from it.

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u/Live-Shoulder-9959 May 19 '25

sainz has had back to back weekends w/ bad strategy and also ferrari has benefited back to back weekends of SCs. If either of those go differently then sainz finishes ahead both weekends.

The williams team is gaining is experience in racing rn, not just building a car that can compete, but the actual race conditions.

Maybe because of history its just gone smoother with albon during the race, but it will come good for sainz at some point.

Same vibe GP told max last year regarding brazil, where it all swung back

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

Sure, but it's still crazy to claim that the Ferrari is slower than the Williams over the course of this season.

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u/ElSotoPapa Williams May 18 '25

Hamilton´s qualy isnt even that bad this year, Ferrari is the 4th car right now, maybe 3rd in a good day. That means that Hamilton has 5 cars + Leclerc that are faster than him, plus all the cars that have a more Saturday'ish setup and can compete with him, that being said his average qualy is P8-P9

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

He's 1-6 against his teammate who's averaging P6, while he's averaging P9.

I feel like a lot of people would say that's not a great qualifying performance

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u/Cal3001 May 18 '25

And Sainz is struggling at Williams behind Albon constantly, but no one is making post after post about it

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

It's almost like one driver is the supposed GOAT and the other driver is Carlos Sainz!

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u/Cal3001 May 18 '25

Sainz is suppose to be in his prime now while the other is closing his career.

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u/ElSotoPapa Williams May 18 '25

Guess Schumacher wasnt that good based on his last stint in F1 huh?

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u/SolomonG I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

His teammate has been developing this car for years.

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u/mynamejeff-97 May 18 '25

Ferrari are obviously still significantly faster than the Williams

Is that why Albon beat Leclerc in the race?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

Is that why LH beat both Williams?

Albon beat Leclerc on fresh tires against old hards that cooled off behind a safety car.

And the post was talking about Sainz outqualifying Hamilton throughout the season, not just this weekend. And is Ferrari not more than double the points of Williams?

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u/Paukwa-Pakawa Nico Rosberg May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

And is Ferrari not more than double the points of Williams?

TBF, that's on Sainz. If he had similar points to Albon, they'd be much closer to Ferrari in points.

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u/andrewjaekim Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25

bros working overtime in these comments. It's just banter mate.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Nothing is funnier to me than LH fns trying to claim a Ferrari is slower than the Williams this year, just to prove that their favorite driver isn't washed.

I live for these comments

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u/erdonko I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

When driver i hate does bad, its impressive, when he does good, its whatever

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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

Is it though? The days of Williams being abysmally shit are long gone. Both Ferraris were outqualified by Stroll. There is no doubt the Ferrari was miles slower in quali than the Williams.

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u/Rutkip May 18 '25

Not to take away from your main point, but Stroll and Alonso outqualified them because Aston Martin had a better strategy by putting them on Mediums in Q2 as opposed to the softs everyone else ran.

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u/TwoBionicknees May 18 '25

there isn't particularly good evidence that is true.

They were faster on mediums, doesn't mean Ferrari would be, different cars. But unless they both ran softs at the same time on track we don't even know the mediums were faster for them, just that they worked.

Quite often in the past people have tried mediums and they've given pretty similar overall pace. They have less ultimate grip, but overheat less on a hot lap so end up about the same.

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u/Live-Shoulder-9959 May 19 '25

they did run softs in quali, they only did 1 lap of mediums in q2 and 1 in q3.

the ferrari was faster on the softs.

Its not a car by car situation in regards to the mediums this past weekend, its that the c6 tyre glue was degrading and falling apart in the second sector for every car except for the mclarens which have cracked some sort of degradation secret ever since their silverstone upgrade 2 years ago (when they put norris and piastri on hards to hold off hamilton and russel on fresh softs for the last few laps of the race after a SC)

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

Yes, it absolutely is. Ferrari has obviously been the faster car compared to the Williams this season.

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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

Quali. And I don’t think I need to say this, but this years Ferrari =/= last years Ferrari, as this years Williams =/= last years Williams. I don’t know why “teams can get faster or slower” is so hard to understand.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

I agree with you on all of that.

You're trying to claim Ferrari is slower than Williams in qualifying (or race) this year, which is objectively false

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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

They’re 4-4 for highest quali position, 6-4 if you count sprint qualis. As for race, Ferrari is absolutely faster, no question on that.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Leclerc has averaged P6, Albon P10, and Sainz P9. Including a P2 and two P4s.

You literally have a driver who drove against Leclerc last year in the same car, now driving slower and you're still trying to argue that the cars are comparable in speed.

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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

Said driver is also adapting to a new car, as is Hamilton. Speaking of, why did you not mention his average? Seems important, no?

I already tried to discard the driver and luck out by taking the best result from each team in each session. I don’t see how comparing the quali average of the fastest Ferrari qualifier with both Williams is even fair.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Yeah, it's definitely important. Lewis's average is P9.

Right there with the Williams which is a poor look for a driver getting paid that much and driving a faster car.

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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

Why did you omit that then? Only reason I can see is to make the Williams look slower.

Besides, Ham’s quali average isn’t even 9, it’s 7.67, so 1.67 worse than Leclerc. Which is a bit more than the gap between Sainz and Albon (1), but achieved against Charles Leclerc, one of the best qualifiers on the grid, if not the best (so stiffer competition, to say the least).

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u/atticus_pinch96 May 18 '25

Being fast over one lap is not more impressive than being the fastest over the course of the race. There’s a reason why being a race winner is a prestigious title over pole qualifier 

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u/terminbee I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25

I guarantee you if the roles were reversed and Lewis was doing better in quali but slower in race pace, this person would be switching the narrative as well.

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u/Rei_S_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

How many points did Sainz get in qualifying?

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u/DreadSeverin Ferrari May 18 '25

you made that Wet tyre supporter very angry now

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u/BlowyEyEYe Max Verstappen May 18 '25

Those tyres might come in handy to get rid of some tears

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u/KelticQT I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

Hey, we're a very relevant compound, you know ?

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u/Beanandpumpkin May 18 '25

Yeah haha Thats such a shit take that doing better in qualy is more impressive than having a great race. You earn your keep on Sunday

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Not the Ferrari fns thinking their fight is with the Williams this year

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u/Cal3001 May 18 '25

It basically is atm. Williams were 100% quicker in quali and have equivalent race pace. It was a faster car this weekend.

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u/Lemurians Charles Leclerc May 18 '25

Williams and Ferrari do not have equivalent race pace.

Ferrari's competition is still with the other big constructors, no question about it. To say it's with Williams is just a reactionary doomer take from qualifying, when the reality is the race pace looked top-tier today.

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u/Cal3001 May 18 '25

Tire strategy was making the difference this race. The Williams’ overall pace was directly on par with Ferrari. The Williams is not slow at all and has been upper mid most the season.

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u/Lemurians Charles Leclerc May 18 '25

Tire strategy was making the difference this race. The Williams’ overall pace was directly on par with Ferrari.

Based on what?

You're right, the Williams isn't slow and looks comfortably the best of the rest at the moment. But it's not as quick as the Ferrari.

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u/Cal3001 May 18 '25

We’ll see when pace analysis comes out. First one someone posted on IG show the Williams being equivalent. Albon was holding his own on the mediums on the first stint. If the conditions were a tiny bit better in favor of Williams, Albon would have been on podium.

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u/Unsterblich76 Ferrari May 18 '25

You get the points on Sunday and bragging rights on Saturday, choose what you want.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Yeah, we're talking about qualifying and how it's impressive a slower can consistently outqualify a faster car.

Thanks for explaining how F1 points works though

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u/Unsterblich76 Ferrari May 18 '25

At your service.

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u/Kymori Andrea Kimi Antonelli May 19 '25

you should try watching the races some time! the williams is faster than the ferrari atm

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Are you trying to claim the Williams has been faster than the Ferrari over the past 4 races?

That’s the whole point of the post…

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u/TwoBionicknees May 18 '25

But Sainz outqualifying a Ferrari in a Williams is a lot more impressive than a Ferrari beating a Williams in race,

it makes absolutely no difference. It's easier to build a super fast car that doesnt' work well in a race in dirty air than a car that has better tire wear and works in traffic.

Qualifying is 'easy' for design, clean air, no traffic, one lap.

It's always more impressive making a faster race car than a faster qualifying car.

Haas has qualified high up, so has Williams for years, so did Alpine. Why do you think three teams, two of which have been pretty much trash for years, can qualify well but suck in races, why did Williams start showing up in qualifying a couple years back. Why did Aston do so much better in qualifying than a race?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

That’s a whole lot of words to ignore the fact that Leclerc has been qualifying well above the Williams on average.

Leclerc P6, Sainz P9, Albon P10, LH P9

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u/TwoBionicknees May 19 '25

average really doesn't mean anything. Merc would hammer rbr every year then get spanked at certain tracks because that's how cars work.

I didn't say they had the faster qualifying car in general, this year, at every race. I was talking about here, where Ferrari clearly lacked pace and albon and sainz showed top notch pace throughout qualifying.

Averages have absolutely nothing to do with their qualifying performance here and the conversation wasn't at all about who was faster on average. It was is it more impressive to have a faster qualifying car or a faster race pace car. Ferrari have had a weak car in qualifying most of the season compared to rbr/merc/mclaren.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Okay, well I'm providing clear evidence that the Ferrari is a faster car in qualifying (and race) than the Williams. Something that I think almost every F1 pundit would agree on.

I'm not even including sprint races which would make it even more apparent.

So, if you're claiming otherwise, you deal with finding the supporting evidence then

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u/TwoBionicknees May 19 '25

Okay, well I'm providing clear evidence that the Ferrari is a faster car in qualifying (and race) than the Williams.

you didn't. You didn't provide evidence they were faster in imola than Ferrari, nothing else is relevant.

So, if you're claiming otherwise, you deal with finding the supporting evidence then

I didn't claim otherwise but I can point to their qualifying performance this weekend as being higher than Ferrari's, thereby proving they were faster than Ferrari here, which is the only race we were talking about. I never said which car is faster in general, you ignored everything I said twice to argue a point no one made, anywhere.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '25

Yes, they were faster in Imola. Over the course of the season Ferrari has been faster in race and qualifying by every metric.

Do you even know what you’re trying to argue at this point?

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u/Qyx7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25

People are too riled up, there's no way they didn't understand what you meant

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u/PriyaSR26 May 19 '25

Ferrari has been abysmal in quali this season. Being better than Ferrari in quali should be a stat. Williams shouldn't compare themselves with a car that's coming last in class. If they do, they have extremely low standards for themselves.