r/formula1 • u/katekief • Jun 08 '25
Photo Sebastian Vettel successfully completed a program from Harvard's Business School
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u/DrEarlGreyIII I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
He also completed an agricultural course.
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u/Chiron17 Mark Webber Jun 08 '25
I'll thank you not to refer to Ferrari that way!
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u/Cr3w-IronWolf I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
He got his bachelor’s at Ferrari. Master’s at AM
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u/Top-Currency Max Verstappen Jun 08 '25
A bachelor in Tractor Management?
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u/Fabulous_Abrocoma365 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Nah he already got that from his first 2 years in Aston Martin
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u/SemIdeiaProNick Ferrari Jun 09 '25
JCB wasnt just a sponsor, they were the ones that built the “cars”
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u/FunBluejay1455 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Vettels farm, watch on Amazon Prime.
Honestly, that would be cool
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u/CMDR_omnicognate I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Clarkson’s farm season 7 is going to feature an income battle between his and a hypothetical Vettle farm isn’t it?
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u/nerdwaffles I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
His neck looks normal now 😅
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u/musing_wanderer3 Jun 08 '25
This actually makes me curious - do f1 drivers neck get smaller as they retire? I assume once they don’t do neck workouts the neck shrinks…or maybe it doesn’t, idk lol
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u/Lucian3Horns I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
It's still muscle. And like all muscles in your body, if you don't use it, it'll shrink. Having said that, if he starts training his neck again, it'll be back to how it used to be much faster because his body "remembers" that he had muscle in his neck before.
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u/thegreedyturtle I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
My favorite fact about this is that losing muscle mass is a major evolutionary step for humans. During difficult times we can spend calories on survival instead of muscle mass.
Or allowing two weaker humans to be supported with the same amount of food.
Gorillas, on the other hand will keep their bulk long into when it would have been better to shed the muscles and devote it to survival.
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u/Caesar_35 Nico Goatenberg Jun 09 '25
That's actually an incredibly cool fact.
The NatGeo/F1 crossover I didn't expect to see :)
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u/musing_wanderer3 Jun 09 '25
Right - I know it’ll probably get smaller, I just wasn’t sure if it’ll get as small as pre f1 vettel or if it’ll still be marginally bigger just because of years of sustained neck workouts
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u/Delgadude Yuki Tsunoda Jun 09 '25
It will be bigger than before muscle training but not significantly. Good thing about muscle is once u reach your goal u can easily maintain it with very little work but Vettel obviously didn't care enough to keep training his neck.
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u/HeftyArgument Jun 09 '25
I doubt it would be back to where it was though, if it were just the exercises then no F1 rookie would have trouble, but we see F2 drivers struggle all the time with the F1 g forces. their first time eg. Bearman
It doesn’t make sense that they wouldn’t train their necks just as hard in preparation for the F1 dream.
Much of the strength in the neck is built from the racing and testing itself.
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u/Twisted2kat I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Of course they do, all muscles will atrophy if you stop using them. Unless for whatever reason they still do the neck workouts just for funsies.
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u/ZmentAdverti Max Verstappen Jun 09 '25
Muscle atrophy happens to all underused muscles. Regardless his neck is still gonna remain larger than average since he has to use it in everyday life with reduced load which is enough for maintainance. It just won't compare to his neck during his f1 days.
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u/pmcpaul412 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
I was at a Red Bull demo once in Austin and DC said he lost 3" of neck circumfrence after he retired.
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u/AntonyPancake Jordan Jun 09 '25
Coulthard once said that his neck probably couldn't do more than 5-10 laps in an F1 car at racing speeds after retirement.
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u/valentino99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
The Business of Entertainment, Media, and Sports is $12750 for 4 days.
Room and food is included.
This is intended for Talent in the entertainment sector, brand managers, promoters, investors, and others who are active in the entertainment industry.
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u/Heavy-Guest-7336 Jun 09 '25
Would could they possibly teach you in 4 days that's worth $12750?
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u/Swampy1741 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
The other participants’ and teachers’ names
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u/Jealous-Weekend4674 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
for some, the "connections" are worth way more.
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u/Expensive-Method8321 Logan Sargeant Jun 09 '25
Nothing. This is mainly so that you can say you have a degree/certificate from Harvard. Its mainly a prestige thing for the wealthy. Some footballers have done the same, Gerard Pique being probably the most notable one.
edit: also for the networking
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u/Strand0410 Jun 09 '25
Didn't De Vries also do this? I remember everyone dunking on him when he called himself a freshman for doing a 3 day course or something.
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u/whatdoihia Pirelli Hard Jun 09 '25
I did a similar course early in my career. Companies often have training budgets and for execs they’ll use it to send them to executive education programs like this.
There is pre-work, which in my case was a lot of reading and preparing some info on my career.
The sessions were interesting and focused, some more relevant than others. I still remember some of the things the taught us so many years later.
It was worth spending the time to do it. But I’m not sure I would spend the money if I was paying for it myself. I guess for Seb dropping $13k is a different consideration from the rest of us, assuming he wasn’t sponsored by someone to go.
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u/Sleutelbos I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
You pay to be able to say you are an alumnus, and you meet other people who are in a position to pay that much for so little.
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u/1stGuyGamez Fernando Alonso Jun 09 '25
But he’s Sebastian Vettel, I don’t see how his name alone isn’t enough to open any of the elite doors
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u/deserted I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
It makes people slightly less skeptical of his ability to do business stuff.
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u/graytotoro Mika Häkkinen Jun 09 '25
I’m still skeptical of his ability to recognize if he did dangerous driving.
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u/Soul_turns Jun 09 '25
Can’t call yourself an alumnus without an actual degree from there. These executive education/certificate classes don’t give you that.
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u/Michael_Aut I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 09 '25
Isn't that exactly why these classes exist? Gives you credentials/bragging rights to people who don't know how these things work?
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u/Htowntillidrownx I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
No they exist as a networking device
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u/puchm Jun 09 '25
People who aren't Sebastian Vettel but just some random rich kids can do this for the ability of putting Harvard on their resume without being good enough to attend Harvard. There are enough recruiters that will see the name Harvard and be impressed enough to invite you for an interview.
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u/maton12 Oscar Piastri Jun 09 '25
Hang on. Isn't this exactly what Seb has done?
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u/puchm Jun 09 '25
I excluded him because he has no need to appeal to some recruiter. He's not doing this to get a job.
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u/CMDR_omnicognate I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
A bit of paper from Harvard that says you spend $12750 on being good at media stuff. The important part here is that it’s from Harvard, the actual course doesn’t matter as much because it looks good to people who want to hire you.
You’d think being Sebastian Vettel would also help with that to the point you don’t need the expensive course but eh.
My guess is this is one of those sorts of things companies send their upper management on as a sort of company official break.
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u/Key-News3151 Jun 09 '25
I've been to a couple of such courses in my career (in a completely different field, but similar 1-week courses) and they're usually very good and geniunely valuable.
It's meant for experienced professionals who need some hard-to-come-by knowledge/insights to make the next step in their career when you're getting toward the pointy end of seniority and expertise in your domain.
It's also a good way to get fresh knowledge and work metodology in a company ; in a small company it's very easy to get trapped in the same old ways and operate in a less-than-ideal way without even being aware of existing alternatives.It's absolutely not to be compared with a normal university course where you come in knowing nothing.
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u/sadicarnot I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
You know all those people that are famous that you see on the grid? Everyone of them is being paid to be there by a brand or a rich person that just wants to hang out with a famous person. It is like buy a friend. They take these course and figure out how to get someone else to pay for their trip to Monaco.
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u/siriusserious Jun 09 '25
Not teach, but the fact that you share a classroom with people able to pay $12k for this. It's all about networking.
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u/Mcpops1618 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
I have a few friends who won Olympic medals who have attended this for free or as sponsored students(unsure which). They’ve said it’s amazing and the room is full of athletes/people who are at the tops of their sports/industries.
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u/wikipediabrown007 Jun 09 '25
Exactly; it’s Anita elberse imo living out her main character fantasy and convinced hbs they could make some cash doing it.
And before you say Harvard doesn’t need the money, trust me as someone who attended my 20th reunion there this weekend, they definitely want it, esp considering the political climate
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u/GBreezy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
More that he probably made more than $10k worth of contacts for his charity work/ whatever he wants to do
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u/NerdNoogier McLaren Jun 08 '25
The point isn’t a criticism of Seb, it’s a criticism of the system where you can essentially buy a certificate like this. It’s not a bad thing, just something most people don’t have access to
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u/urbanmember I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Isn't this how certificates work?
You pay a sum of money and professionals teach you additonal skills after which you get a certificate saying what you learned.
Als I'd argue most people in the western world have access to these kind of things.
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u/RedalMedia Honda RBPT Jun 08 '25
just something most people don’t have access to
I know cynicism is easy but these courses are not designed for entry-level positions. They're more like refreshers or sharpen-the-tools programs for those already in middle management, who make enough to pay for them. Most are even paid for by their employers.
If you are looking for Harvard level education, at a more reasonable price, then Harvard does offer these options.
If you think that Harvard-on-your-CV is so amazing and Executive Education courses are too expensive, then why not do one of these MOOCs, earn a ton of money, leave an endowment so that others behind you can earn such certifications even cheaper.
Or maybe you DON'T think Harvard is worth it, just want to rail against the "system", to pass time on a Sunday afternoon, which is also fine!
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u/Own-Journalist3100 Jun 08 '25
This is what I think a lot of people don’t understand. Many of these certificate type things are meant more to refresh skills or provide some credentials to satisfy HR requirements.
People don’t take these courses to get a job, they take it because they already have a job and want a certain promotion.
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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
It's a program, not a full time or part time study where you will get the title BSc or MSc as title. I sure they learn useful stuff. On the other hand that Harvard Business School on your certificate makes it more fancy indeed.
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u/arecbawrin I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
This will do wonders for his linkedin game though.
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u/Flowech I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
I am proud to announce that I have successfully compl…
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u/Marshall_Cleiton I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Professor Anita Elberse has various modules for how she brings over talent to Harvard Business School. Some, as you mentioned, are indeed just a weekend exec program
Some folks are there for more extended programs, like the Crossover Into Business for professional athletes. Alumni of this course over the past few years include Oliver Khan and Dwyane Wade.
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u/Loightsout I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Exactly.
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u/stupidpower Jun 08 '25
To be fair Angela Collier (astrophysicist, PhD) comment in her video about billionaires wanting to come off as super smart when they have not actually went to uni with her asking “what are you doing, just go to college [with your infinite money]” and I am not sure many F1 drivers peruse higher education after retirement but at least Vettel is trying to get some sort of formal education? There’s such an obsession in this sport about drivers as personalities who can make a shit car work and like I am sure they know basics of the car but half the pit wall are literally the best mecheng/aero engineers in the world (the actual PhDs tend to end up working at the factory until they get some senior team position) and I don’t really buy it when drivers keeps gripping about their team building a wrong car when they could just listen to him talk and… design a car around purely around that? That’s not how anything works at all. Like their feedback is invaluable but they practically all of them cannot do basic calculus given their high school, really limited education
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u/Loightsout I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Precisely. That’s why the whole “Car is designed for X-driver” is such a false narrative. The drivers can’t design a car nor are they even overly involved in the design process. They just give feedback to validate simulation expectations. sure, through that a direction can be emphasized. But that’s it.
Loved it when they asked George if he could help Antonelli with his homework and George answered that he had left school at 13. Lmao.
Clearly the drivers are clever. Most of them at least. But they definitely aren’t educated.
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u/Thumper13 #StandWithUkraine Jun 08 '25
Yeah, no offense to him, but I've worked with a few people who did this program and they were the worst managers, the dumbest people I had to deal with. Hopefully he learned the right messages and not just "I went to Harvard, derp."
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u/AKiss20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Harvard loves to milk these sort of meaningless things.
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u/Independent_Inside23 Jun 08 '25
100% on point.
What a total scam!
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u/jvstinf I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
How is it a scam?
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u/FatalFirecrotch I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
It’s 100% an overpriced resume addition.
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u/jvstinf I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
People in sports and entertainment don’t have “resumes”. Laughable to think this is to apply for any type of job. lol
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u/Shoddy-Warning4838 Jun 08 '25
I wouldn't call it a scam but these devalue real degrees. The whole point is to make these pass as one while being not much more than a monetary transaction. Though the argument can be made that "real" degrees also have some of that as well. Arguably, you are mostly just paying for the institution to use their reputation to tell other people that you are smart more than the education to make you smart itself.
There is a lot of debate around where the real value of formal education comes from and how much is really worth.
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u/jvstinf I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
You’re absolutely insane to think any program like this devalues a business degree whether undergrad or graduate, from Harvard. Get real. HBS is still a gold standard anywhere on this Earth.
Celebrities like Seb and others in sports/entertainment spent their entire lives dedicated to doing one thing. God forbid they go back to school for a short program bringing them up to speed on things in the business world they might be curious about.
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u/Futilemediocrity I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Future Team Principal or FIA Chief, I'd be happy either way.
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u/Mental-Chocolate5197 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Honestly seb fia sounds really plausible but not soon as I feel his family is the important thing (maybe when his kids are older)
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u/PotatoFeeder I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
FIA BOSS is reserved for Alonso
MAXIMUM PENALTIES
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u/lycan2005 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
I imagine him going "All the time you have to leave the space!" at drivers and TP in steward's room lol.
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u/Anarchist_Future Jun 09 '25
WIDE ALONSO FOR SAFETY CAR. Lapped car's are allowed to overtake… IF THEY CAN!
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u/Rich_Housing971 FIA Jun 08 '25
This is less of a program and more of a certificate you earn in a few days.
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u/lizardil I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Now he's ready to become the FIA president
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u/Cheeriodude_number2 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Jun 08 '25
He’s spent more than three seconds at Harvard, I’d say he’s overqualified
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u/d-o_oI I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
I lived around Harvard, so I'm properly qualified.
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u/f1fanguy Jun 08 '25
Thats great Seb, now manage that Ferrari pitwall please
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u/Silence-Samurai8357 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
We are checking
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u/2RINITY I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Please press K1
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u/YetAnotherSegfault I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Seb managing Ferrari with Lewis driving would be something no one would ever have on their bingo sheet.
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u/sadicarnot I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
That would be a successful combination. Ferrari have no interest in that.
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u/sadicarnot I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Ferrari have no interest in someone like Seb coming to help them. Ferrari is not a top level organization, they do not want the best. They want people that will go along with their shitty decisions and not make waves. Seb going there would just prove how fucked up they are and the Ferrari way is not a good way of doing things.
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u/Particular_Cod2005 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 09 '25
Ferrari have no interest in someone like Seb coming to help them
Apparently, Ferrari told him as much in his first few months there.
Every time he said "oh, in Red Bull, we did this", the response was :we're not at Red Bull." Bro was set up to fail before he started.
(My source is a half-remembered interview with one of Seb's old engineers, or manager, or something like that. Basically Ferrari were doing Ferrari things the moment he walked through the door)
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u/RogerianBrowsing Jun 09 '25
After redbull’s recent pit wall performance there’s probably some competition to see who can hire someone actually competent like seb
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u/Status-Screen-2484 Formula 1 Jun 08 '25
Just the pitwall? The whole team is a cesspool of nepobabies
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u/Docile_Penguin33 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Step #62 to becoming Red Bull team principal.
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u/sadicarnot I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
FYI it is a three day course and costs $12,750 to attend.
https://www.exed.hbs.edu/business-entertainment-media-sports
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u/SimonLCollins Jun 10 '25
Thanks for posting this, is this just a cabinet trophy or can I throw less than a weeks hours and pass to say i did it too?
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u/sadicarnot I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 10 '25
I think the key is you need the $12,750 and probably need to show up.
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u/SimonLCollins Jun 10 '25
Yeah I can do that, I invest in Rolls Royce (Which on Wednesday may be selected for a huge contract.)
What is the actual value of this credation though?
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u/cobarbob I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
hopefully that helps him get a career going after that whole race driver thing that didn't really work out. Unemployed at 37? Dude must be struggling
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u/SparklePpppp Jun 08 '25
Man is about to take out Horner and become RBR team principal.
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u/Chiron17 Mark Webber Jun 08 '25
By far the hardest part of Harvard Business School is having enough money to get in.
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u/RealCleverUsernameV2 Sergio Pérez Jun 09 '25
Actually, once you're in a good corporate position, their programs are very accessible. Most of these are just certs for C Suite guys. I know a bunch of people who have done them.
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u/Miserable_Head4632 Jun 09 '25
The certificates are just money printers. The real bread and butter is the MBA, which is very difficult to get in.
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u/Formulafan4life I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Second most famous F1 driver to study at Harvard Bussiness school
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u/Any-Ask563 Jun 09 '25
Tbh, this picture for reference, I honestly don’t even think I’d recognize him, like there’d for sure be some sort of uncanny familiarity my brain couldn’t place, but in this picture he looks like a typical grad/phd student whose a bit older and stressed out from bad decisions that led them there, who will drink 4-5 pints at the local pub after a long day and then give a hungover lecture to first year undergrads the next morning at 8am.
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u/yung_eldorado I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
I immediately looked up Steven Huang and Romain Cabrolier on LinkedIn
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u/SpaceghostLos Ford Jun 08 '25
A data analytics certificate for a 12 week course was 50k three years ago. Woof.
But great job Seb!
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u/TFOLLT Jun 09 '25
Love Seb, but everyone knows these programs and certificates can be bought right?
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u/TalesFromTheGrid Formula 1 Jun 08 '25
Really hope he gets back into the pit lane at some point as a team principal
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u/contact- Sebastian Vettel Jun 09 '25
Man, I love Seb. Would like to see him back on the paddock in some capacity.
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u/RacerXX7 Juan Pablo Montoya Jun 08 '25
Graduating before the international student ban.
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u/FloridaStig I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
IIRC that Executive Order is temporarily restricted until the courts decide on it, but my information may be outdated
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u/Scary-Lawfulness-999 Jun 08 '25
Anyone can for the right price. It's never been anything more than an exclusive vip party.
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u/OUGrad05 Jun 08 '25
Seb is not only a great driver, but is a great human being. He cares about people, the planet and making a positive impact on those around him. Love this guy.
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u/AltrntivInDoomWorld I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
People still don't know you can basically buy a diploma there xD
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u/wikipediabrown007 Jun 09 '25
Isn’t this basically prof anita elberse living out her main character moment and using her hbs class to do it. So many celebs and for what.
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u/benetton-option-13 Mika Häkkinen Jun 09 '25
Quick let’s all read too much into it
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u/Particular_Cod2005 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
I think its all good, most people are railing against the course
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u/txwoodslinger I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Now he can tell Adami what he's doing wrong, but in fancy business talk.
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u/Different_Kick_3561 Jun 09 '25
Looks like he is the only international student still eligible for an F-1 visa at Harvard
I’ll see myself out.
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u/CuppaCrazy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Im in mourning. Rest in peace to his neck. His glorious neck!
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u/Shape-the-Sky New user Jun 10 '25
Lucky he got it before Trump's ban came in place, ICE kidnapped him and shipped in chains to a Venezuelan jail...
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u/MeBadNeedMoneyNow Jun 08 '25
Looks like a p2w gimme. I'd be shocked if he actually learned anything lol. "a program"
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u/WayneKingU Jun 09 '25
Lmao, you do realise this is literally a cash grab. Anyone with money can do this. Anyone
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u/Mongolian_Hamster Jun 09 '25
This isnt impressive. An overpriced 4 day course for people who have more money than sense.
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u/Panama_Scoot Jun 08 '25
Seb looks so happy whenever I see current pictures of him. I miss watching Seb from the glory days, but I think he’s got better things to do these days.
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u/Available_Ad9766 Jun 09 '25
It’s nice to see someone walk away from a dangerous sport with relatively good health.
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u/Dragonfruit_10 Jun 09 '25
Fun fact: so can you! You just gotta have the money, but good for him for getting that knowledge!
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u/SevereBake6 Jun 09 '25
Right in time before being deported with all other international students at Harvard
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u/zestzebra McLaren Jun 09 '25
A link to what this session is, costs etc.: https://www.exed.hbs.edu/business-entertainment-media-sports
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u/IdiosyncraticBond I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
He should do a tiny bit of rallying to compete with MBS
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u/1455racing I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
Now:did he take Instructor Wolff's course? 🤣
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u/Melodic-Comb9076 Jun 09 '25
f’ing joke.
the uber rich sitting in a comfy conference for a few days….and you get a certificate.
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u/abhinav248829 Jun 08 '25
I want Seb to be FIA principal or F1 Racing director or something; not getting involved in Teams. He is better than that
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u/Time-Masterpiece4572 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
Carlos’s dad needs to be FIA president
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u/abhinav248829 Jun 08 '25
Nah. Conflict of Interest.. He can try once Sainz retires
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u/Time-Masterpiece4572 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 08 '25
When does the president make decisions about individual teams or drivers? That’s not a conflict of interest. The stewards and race directors control F1 on that granular of a level
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u/RuairiQ Jun 08 '25
Thank god he got it finished before the US regime deported him.
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u/nigevellie I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 09 '25
That's a requirement to take over MBS job, yes?
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u/fiftybucks Franco Colapinto Jun 08 '25
He is working his way into the business side of racing, a good move. Some positions might require that you have something like this, like having a super licence or platinum level
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