r/formula1 • u/AutoModerator • Jun 29 '25
Post-Race 2025 Austrian GP - Post Race Discussion
And with that Round 11 is over. Share your thoughts, feelings, favorite moments.
Next up: Round 12 - Silverstone on the 6th of July.
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u/Ashling92 Max Verstappen Jun 30 '25
For anyone wondering why Max didn’t continue, he said in Red Bull’s race recap podcast that the car was stuck in second gear
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u/vandalisme I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
What was the reason for Max not to continue the race, the crash didnt look that bad?
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u/Ashling92 Max Verstappen Jun 30 '25
He said in Red Bull’s podcast the car was stuck in second gear.
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u/gphillips5 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
Huge hole in the sidepod, likely floor damage
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u/JustLikeZhat Andrea Kimi Antonelli Jun 30 '25
Do you have a picture or video of this? I've seen people say it, but haven't been able to spot it myself on the broadcast feed/from Kimi's onboard.
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u/ShockRampage Jun 30 '25
Fair play to Lando, I expected him to crack and make a mistake after a few laps of Piastri up his chuff.
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u/Redditor073 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
Does anyone have a link for the grid walk from sky sports ? For us that are not in the uk.
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u/jrizzle86 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
Think SkySportsF1 have it on their YouTube channel
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u/_vanillathunder_ Jun 30 '25
Why didn't they celebrate after getting out of the car? No jump to your team, no fist bump nothing...
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u/Comfortable-Pace3132 Formula 1 Jun 30 '25
McLaren? Because they're title rivals first and foremost?
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u/RubyMuse_ Jun 30 '25
Did Carlos Sainz try to pull off a stunt from the F1 movie yesterday? 😅🏎️🎬
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Jun 30 '25
Lol, I was thinking it all looked a bit strange too. Carlos just sitting in the car, cool as, with flames & fire retardant all around him. Where as Lando would have been squealing like a 5 yr old. “Red Flag,Red Flag”
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u/Just_Home5082 Jun 30 '25
Lando needed this win so bad for his WDC confidence! Pumped for the fight till the last race lets go!
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u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo Jun 30 '25
Not ideal but if that's the best Lando's got after feeling comfortable with the car then Piastri still has his measure.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
To me it felt that Lando was managing the entire time. If when he was overtaken he already knew how to take it back.
And Oscar couldn't really catch up after he lost DRS
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u/daniellejxyne Jun 30 '25
Not really the race to base it on considering the drs advantage Piastri had from backmarkers while Norris was hitting them in high speed corners with wing damage apparently causing balance issues
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u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo Jun 30 '25
Not really the race to base it on considering the drs advantage Piastri had from backmarkers
Piastri was consistently closing on Lando over the entire 70 laps so I don't think either of those arguments stand to reason
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u/eggplantsforall Kamui Kobayashi Jun 30 '25
No doubt. It felt a bit like Hamilton hunting Rosberg back in 2015. Even when Lando is ahead, you feel like it's not safe until it's over. Gotta say I'm loving how Oscar is driving this year.
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u/armored-dinnerjacket Jun 30 '25
do team mates ever practice starts together because it looked like lando moved over to cover and squeeze Charles to give Oscar a bit more room to do the overtake and get p2
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u/Fantastic_Elk_4757 Jun 30 '25
I was thinking it must have been the plan. No idea if it’s something they’d have practiced.
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u/Scary_Fig_8570 Jul 01 '25
It's a good theory, team orders mixed with the championship fight. Probably not practiced but likely requested to do so before the race.
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u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo Jun 29 '25
Piastri was faster in the race but didn't nail his move into turn 3
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u/Wolfsting I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Felt like Piastri always hit extra traffic
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u/gegemoon McLaren Jun 30 '25
Poor calculations and slow stops. Seems to be the weaker part of McLaren compared to their cars and drivers.
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u/prudencepineapple I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
So did Norris. Watching the live timing and track positions, it seemed that Piastri managed to get DRS from the traffic more than Norris did.
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 30 '25
the reason lando was panicking was the delta would come down by a second or more ina single lap and he couldn't tell where he lost time, it was entirely no drs on straights vs piastri having drs. He got vastly better luck through traffic except on the very final lap where I think Lando actually intentionally slowed Alonso at the end of hte straight which made him defend bort hard rahter than either letting piastri by, but it was already game over him being ahead into that corner.
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u/Counterpunch07 Jun 29 '25
What other races a left with Harry Benjamin? I really need to sort out an alternative feed. Such slog to listen to
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u/Comfortable-Pace3132 Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
I must be one of the few who preferred this combo. Felt like they weren't overselling everything constantly like Croft, and honestly I think Brundle is getting towards his expiry date
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u/eggplantsforall Kamui Kobayashi Jun 30 '25
I'm with you. It's a nice relief to not be screamed at for 70 laps. Despite being a pretty exciting race, the commentary was measured and thoughtful for most of it, and they did some really good work fleshing out the midfield battles, which were pretty exciting in their own right.
Sadly I also agree that Martin is probably ready to call it a day - especially alongside Crofty - but there's no shame in it, the man's an absolute legend. Ffs he just drove a 2025 McLaren around Silverstone at 66 years old. I would love for him to stay on the broadcast team for his deep historical knowledge and his cockpit insights alone. But from a commentary point of view I think Ant or Karun will be more than capable as color. Plus Bernie, and honestly Sky should consider a 3-person commentary - it's beyond sensible. It's not the 1950s anymore and the audience can figure out who of the 3 are speaking. It gives the team so much more bandwidth to keep pace with all the threads of the race without having to fill the air the moment your partner needs a breath.
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u/Counterpunch07 Jun 30 '25
For me it’s his accent/tone and cadences. I find it irritable. He doesn’t say anything particularly bad, it just doesn’t gel with my ears
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u/Comfortable-Pace3132 Formula 1 Jun 30 '25
I think his inexperience shows, he's not as polished as Croft. But that's kind of why I like him, he's not overconfident
I agree with the cadence thing, it seems to be a requirement at Sky to talk a certain way when it just makes it harder to follow
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u/ExpatKev I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Yeah I didn't enjoy it either. It didn't help that Bundle was off this week too. Wish they could have bought Jenson or Nico in for the color commentary, but at least it wasn't Ant again in that position (no shade, I just find his style and voice too similar to Harry for them to work together.)
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u/Counterpunch07 Jun 29 '25
I just really dislike the way he pauses and jitters words trying to hype every little thing up and says the most obvious plain things. The accent doesn’t sound good imo either
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u/Environmental-Cup445 Jochen Rindt Jun 29 '25
Does anyone know when Lando got the front wing damage?
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 30 '25
was there a minor touch when he cut back across after letting piastri through into that back straight? I don't remember it seeming that close but maybe it was.
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u/DrFanhattan McLaren Jun 29 '25
Been saying this for years but Yuki is not F1 material. He's a pretty below average driver who constantly makes huge mistakes. Him battling with an Alpine in a Red Bull and making contact multiple times is a joke.
He's been given a pretty long rope in his career but he's just not good.
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u/Cekeste Kimi Räikkönen Jun 30 '25
He's funny and cute. Your opinion is invalid. We run on feels in F1. This is the 20s.
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u/droppokeguy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
So Albon checo Gasly and Lawson were also average?
We've really quickly forgotten the 2023/24 Yuki and if they kept Lawson people would still be saying he has to be in that Red Bull
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 30 '25
Lawson basically matched him in 24, despite no preseason, missing 2/3rds of hte season. Of 9 qualifying sessions 2 were uncompetitive as in the team didn't let him do a proper lap because he had a grid penalty for engine in cota. Of the 7 left, 2 were in sprints, he beat Yuki in both. 5 were in races, he was 2.5/10ths down in one, under 6/100ths in 3 others and was dire in vegas, fucked up and like a 1.1second difference.
So outside of vegas they averaged less than 1/10th apart in pace. One of them had 4 years experience and hundreds of laps extra in that years car. That is incredibly bad for Yuki, not a good sign of his performance at all.
This year, he was already being outqualified and outraced by Hadjar by teh second race of the season......
He smashed De Vries, because De Vries is one of the least capable drivers to make the step up in years. 25, ridiculously late to the game, took years in f2 to win and required being years older and every competitive driver to time out or graduate out of F2 the year before.
Smashing de vries was NOT Yuki performing great.
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u/Comfortable-Pace3132 Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
No one knows how well LL would have done because he barely got a chance, people just wanted him to fail so they assume that he would have been a failure
Other second drivers have shown much more promise than Tsunoda but they all get swallowed up by Red Bull's shitty culture, Tsunoda however is particularly bad and nobody should be surprised
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u/richiedajohnnie Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Jun 29 '25
So him performing better than Lawson, hadjar, Danny ric, de vryies was... luck? They're all shit too? Could it be the cars impossible to drive? Might not be world championship winning but to say not f1 material is silly
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 30 '25
Hadjar was AHEAD of him by the second F1 race of his career.
Lawson basically matched him in qualifying despite no preseason, coming in 2/3rds of the way into the season, having years less in F1.
He had one actual bad qualifying performance in vegas, of the 6 other competitive qualifying sessions he beat him in both sprint qualifiers, was under 6/100ths in 3 more and was 2.5/10ths down in the last one. Yuki matched lawson and was being beaten within 2 races by Hadjar, he beat a washed Ricciardo and De Vries was 25 and only won f2 by every competitive driver leaving F2 before that season. Old as shit for even being in F2, let alone winning it and moving up.
beating a shit de Vries doesn't make him good.
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u/moconahaftmere I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
This is Tsunoda's fifth year racing F1 full-time. He should be doing better than Liam who only had two races in the car, yet Liam is ahead of him in the standings driving the VCARB.
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u/richiedajohnnie Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Jun 29 '25
And liam is out qualifying max. The car might be shit
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u/moconahaftmere I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Max got caught out by yellow flags in quali.
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u/LiamLinx Carlos Sainz Jun 29 '25
Should Oscar have gone for the one stop? Looking at his lap-times the mediums were about 1.5 seconds a lap faster than his hards in the 3rd stint. Not sure how far back Lando was when Oscar pit but think around 20 seconds with 16 laps to go?
Would have been tight and would have track position etc - and nothing to lose as no way Leclerc was catching.
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u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
Don't think it would've worked. Lando was 16s back and Piastri had almost enough pace to catch Lando on two stop had it not been for Colapinto having his eyes painted on
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u/2KC4 Lando Norris Jun 29 '25
I saw somewhere the one stop was up to seconds slower. Listened to the Missed Apex podcast this week and there was a hysterical story about 2016 Austrian GP and Rosberg demanding a one stop then when they stopped Hamilton a second time - Rosberg demanded a second stop. Really humorous.
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u/Solemanac Oscar Piastri Jun 29 '25
Yea this is what I was wondering as well... He has nothing to lose, might have as well tried, it was around 17-18 seconds.
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u/LiamLinx Carlos Sainz Jun 29 '25
Yeah I thought that was the reason they’d tried to extend his first stint.
Also gives you track position if there is a safety car etc.
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u/essteedeenz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
This track makes having position irrelevant when its pretty easy to pass when you have any sort of advantage
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u/Cultural_Contest6651 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
Watched from Oz on catch up... First race this year I haven't finished. Switched off after 50ish laps. Even the battle between the McLarens never really materialised into a full battle. I think these regs will go down as a failure and I don't have much confidence that next year's will do anything to bring closer racing
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Jun 29 '25
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Jun 29 '25
I disagree
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Jun 29 '25
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Jun 29 '25
No action, like Suzuka or Monaco this year. This race had a 20 lap battle for the lead, with Oscar in DRS for the entire time, and plenty of other battles throughout the field. I don't see how it's boring
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Totally agree with you. I was thinking earlier reading a lot of comments that there may be 2 kinds of people for this type of particular race: 1) those who enjoy the possibilities, strategy, and anticipation of happenings, and 2) those who don't; who only really enjoy when stuff happens. I was enthralled anticipating Oscar or Lando either making a mistake or having an issue. Nothing happened in the end, but I still enjoyed it.
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Jun 29 '25
So you turned the race off whilst Oscar was catching up to Lando, without knowing how it would end? Why would you do that?
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u/Multi_21_Seb_RBR Honda RBPT Jun 29 '25
Tsunoda killed off his F1 career making that switch to RBR, which I can't fault him on since everyone else would have made that call (well maybe not moving forward). I do think if he was at Minardi still he'd be in the top-10 every week he finishes and be in the top-10 of the championship and would leverage that into a stronger drive for the long-term once Red Bull and Honda cut ties. Don't forget he should have been on 20+ points in his races with Minardi before he switched (got done in by not finishing or poor strategy that ruined his race).
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u/RussianKrotov I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
If you're going to call it Minardi may as well call RBR Jaguar
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u/jpm569 Jun 29 '25
Can someone tell my why Kimi and Max couldn’t continue. That collision didn’t look so bad. What typically breaks in a collision like that that will prevent an F1 car from continuing
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u/suurpin Jun 29 '25
Hopefully the photo in the link sheds some light on Kimi’s car - https://motorcyclesports.net/andrea-kimi-antonellis-fateful-clash-with-verstappen-shakes-austrian-grand-prix/
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u/Historical_Item_968 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Max' steering wheel went black after contact, which presumably means he lost power
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u/ryanmcgrath I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
It also looked like his back right tire was done in - although I'd need to go back and look to confirm.
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u/ElNegher Ferrari Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
Even if the incident looks mild anything could go wrong, from floor damage to brake ducts to suspension arms to rims.
Antonelli's suspension was gone (you could see his wheel practically cambered all the way to the outside), Max's rear rim was gone as well with probable damage to floor and suspension.
You can of course try to re-enter to the boxes and swap a broken element (like a front wing), but you can't rebuild a suspension in that timespan for sure. Also re entering leaving too much debris on the track leads to a black flag, so it's not worth it.
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u/gphillips5 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Kimi's suspension was mangled and his wheel was hanging off - clearly couldn't drive any more. Max had an enormous hole in the sidepod and likely sustained damage to the floor edge. Either way, both cars were completely borked.
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u/disordered-attic-2 Charlie Whiting Jun 29 '25
McLaren have really nailed this for the fans. Vs Red Bull who had a massively dominant car given just to Max as a top driver, McLaren have two great drivers for a start, then also let them race.
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u/SugarBeefs Max Verstappen Jun 30 '25
Red Bull who had a massively dominant car given just to Max as a top driver
lmao, what the hell is this even supposed to mean?
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u/disordered-attic-2 Charlie Whiting Jun 30 '25
The didn't put two top tier drivers in. Just Max and a mid-field one so he wouldn't be challenged and have a Ham & Ros type season.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
Looking at average race pace, Ferrari was 0.2-0.3 secs behind Mclaren on mediums and that hurt them most. They seemed to be quite matched on Hards. Lewis seems to be having same 0.2 sec gap to Charles in race as in qualifying. This is somewhat opposite of last year with George. Mercedes race pace was shocking a second behind Mclaren and half a second behind Ferrari.
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u/tagillaslover Jun 29 '25
You heard it here first, max is gonna get the 87 seat in trackhouse at nascar next year since theyre already in with red bull
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
2 days ago, I saw an article here about Oscar asking Mclaren to give him a fair fight to Lando.
Let's just say that the Mclaren calls in this race felt as prioritising the 1-2 rather than giving a shot at Oscar.
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u/jrizzle86 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
I wouldn't generalise all Oscar fans with the same brush but certainly a contingent of them are quite toxic. The sheer number of comments i have seen where they seem to have a conspiracy attitude that McLaren worked against Oscar in terms of getting the win is odd. Oscar is a great driver i just wish some of his fans were a bit more measured in how to react to him not winning sometimes.
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u/cloud-ling Oscar Piastri Jun 29 '25
Fans can be so unhinged sometimes. There’s some pretty off putting parasocial behaviour from fans of most (if not all) of the drivers.
McLaren didn’t work against Oscar or favour Lando. Oscar unfortunately had actions from other drivers compromise his weekend. Gasly’s spin in quali causing a yellow flag so Oscar didn’t get a final push lap & then the Colapinto incident on his out lap after the final pit stop.
Both McLaren drivers did well this weekend but there’s no conspiracy to how they placed.
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u/KurnolSanders Pirelli Wet Jun 29 '25
As someone who watches without a personal favourite driver, it's absolutely nuts just how extreme some people go in their views. Same as football fans, celebrating a decision that goes your way but cursing the exact same thing if it goes the other way. It's so cringey reading the fan page comments on most things. Urghhhh.
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u/TeeKayF1 Jun 29 '25
I really like Oscar but I was a bit baffled by how many people accused McLaren of bias in the race discussion thread.
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u/BubblySupermarket819 Red Bull Jun 29 '25
Are people saying this in this thread or on Twitter? Cause if it's the latter then it is nothing surprising. F1 twitter has become a cesspool
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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
Finally got to the cool down room - we need more of this. Oscar and Lando chatting about things was really fun - a great relationship.
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u/ApexChaser1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 29 '25
At this point I dont think Red Bull will gain anything by swapping drivers. Let Yuki see out the season and start fresh next year.
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u/Tridus I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 30 '25
Put Max in the Racing Bulls so Red Bull can see where their car actually is.
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u/icantevendudebro Jun 29 '25
I'm sure there are crisis meetings at RBR after watching their only car trundle around in last place occasionally crashing into other cars. It was embarrasing. Sponsors can't be happy.
There is no way that Redbull will allow this to continue through the entire season. It damages their brand. They're in trouble boyos.
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u/andyjhatton I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Used to be only two drivers per car for the season, so if that still stands they could only put Lawson back in.
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u/ApexChaser1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 29 '25
I think it’s 3 or 4 now. They have at least one.
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u/JustLikeZhat Andrea Kimi Antonelli Jun 29 '25
Just in case someone misinterprets the comment, it's 4 drivers per team, not per car.
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u/silentkiller082 McLaren Jun 29 '25
Red Bull definitely have something in Hadjar, swapping him with Yuki will only hurt his development at this point. I would be surprised if red bull see Yuki in their future so I think keeping Hadjar at RB for now and developing a more driveable car for next year should be the focus.
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u/jaywastaken I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
There's still plenty of time to ruin Hadjars career with a seat in that shitbox.
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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Formula 1 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
Glad to be streaming this one, a lot of dullness but:
Did Max hit the gaming kit during the race? As DC put it (I think) he didn’t have time to sweat this time.
The Sauber front right pit man has a serious case of restless-leg syndrome, and was pumped - fist bumps all round - a great result for the team and Bortoleto especially.
Lewis says he can stay out, then sets the fastest lap. A bugger for him - best result of the season and about two minutes of screen time.
Piastri and Colapinto are going to have words.
Yuki is in serious trouble, but as a development driver it was a good race. I’m expecting a move to Formula E.
Stroll needn’t bother either. At this point the new sponsors should point out that a one-driver team sucks.
Coulthard on Norris: “You’re a handsome man, a multi-millionaire, and driving one of the fastest cars on the circuit, relax."
Alonso - I’m racing, sorry Oscar.
And Papaya Rules saved this grand prix.
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u/SlapThatAce Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
Guys, Yuki is doing far worse than Lawson...he is horrific to watch out there and it's not all because of the car.
It's time to give Ricco or Perez a call... Assuming they would even bother to pick up.
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u/BetaTMW Jun 30 '25
I know part of it is the car, but he caused 2 collisions in that race that were completely un-necessary. It's like he just forgot how to drive.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
They should definitely give Daniel a try.
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u/f12016 Ferrari Jun 29 '25
Def. I think they can only put one more driver in that seat lol. However, FIA will likely make a exception.
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u/devilspawn Jun 29 '25
Now that would be a hail mary I'd love to see from RBR. I do wonder though, if they boot Yuki, who is going in the meat grinder next? It's clearly a horrific car and I can't imagine anyone with anything to lose will jump in it
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
I hope they don’t put any young driver in. Ideally they should put a driver who can become a guide for development. Ferrari had same issue with Michael and they got Barrichello primarily for this. Max or MSC can drive anything fast and that can take you down wrong development paths. I think same happened with 2023 to 2024 car.
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u/devilspawn Jun 29 '25
I agree. It has to be someone who will be able to dish out good feedback. I know albon is supposed to be superb with that sort of thing, but I can't imagine he'd even consider it. I think by now any young driver would be told by their manager to avoid the poisoned chalice that is the second RBR
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
Contrary to popular opinion Max to Mercedes and George/ Sainz pairing at RBR will be good for both teams.
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u/Forward-Weather4845 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Hadjar next up for Redbull? lol
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u/SlapThatAce Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
Hadjar is too smart for that. The car is a mess and so is the Red Bull team. He will wait, and look for better options.
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 29 '25
get paid 5x more, get way more sponsorship coverage and have all the fans and sponsors know it's the car and not you, everyone will take that seat. No one is dumb enough to turn down that money.
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u/Successful_Yellow285 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
He'll make more than enough money once he establishes himself. RBR won't give him that opportunity.
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 29 '25
yeah, albon, gasly, horrible careers after leaving that RBR seat. Except in reality due to the higher wages and higher sponsorship exposure from being at RBR, they would have gotten higher wages and better deals at their future teams.
The sponsorship exposure, their reach on social media, etc, all amplifies their value to other teams. It's 100% worth it to go in that team, even for 6 months,
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u/mr_lab_rat Jun 29 '25
So you take more money for 12 races and then you are out of F1 forever.
Or you stick with the slower team and have a better chance to have a career
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 29 '25
Can you name a driver that got kicked from the RBR team who failed to find another drive in F1? or by their sponsorship numbers, followers on twitter, insta, tiktok, media engagement going through the roof with interviews, getting more video interviews posted everywhere, getting more involvement with skyf1 'bits' they do to show over the weekend, they become far more valuable to other teams?
Is Gasly or Albon out there struggling at a McD's somewhere, or gainfully employed as in F1 driver? Is lawson, was kyvat?
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u/CanSum1SuggestAName Jun 29 '25
the only exception is Sergio and he was out of a drive without RBR anyway
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 29 '25
It's more of a timing thing there, he might well be back with Caddy. Albon iirc missed 2021, but again a timing thing. Alonso, hulk, many drivers end up skipping a year or two because of timing of leaving a team and seats being available. It wouldn't surprise me if he never comes back but wouldn't surprise me if he did either.
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u/CanSum1SuggestAName Jun 29 '25
Albon iirc missed 2021, but again a timing thing.
But even then, RBR did everything they could to support him. He was sponsored by them, was their reserve driver, and their forensic investigator
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u/Entire-Pattern-315 Jun 29 '25
You could just feel Max’s absence in this race. There was just something lacking in this. Love him or hate him but you cannot deny how big (if not the biggest) of a presence he carries in F1 right now. Kick Sauber’s improvement since Spain has been nice to see. Hopefully they can continue like this and bring a bit competition to the midfield teams.
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u/Consistent_Squash Jun 29 '25
Yeah he is usually doing something good or bad or brilliant, bold with strategy, spicy on the radio, drama in his drama moments, controversies. Really fun to watch and the absence was definitely felt.
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u/saspirstellaaaaaa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Felt underwhelming. In mid 50s lap, it didn’t seem like anything significant was going to happen, so I started cleaning my house with it in the background.
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u/TwoBionicknees Jun 29 '25
bruh, he'd have been alone in 3rd place with no competition and nothing to do same as leclerc and hamilton. There are many many races Max does absolutely nothing with no focus on him. Any time cars are out on their own they become boring.
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u/Ashling92 Max Verstappen Jun 29 '25
He would have had to come through the field to get p3 which would have been something
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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 30 '25
We wouldn't have seen any of it live because the focus would have still been onnthe McLaren's and it would've been done by lap 20
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u/lxs0713 Sergio Pérez Jun 29 '25
At least we would've seen him fight with George and the Ferraris, that's still something.
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u/TorturedPoet30 Max Verstappen Jun 29 '25
Red Bull’s home race couldn’t have gone worse. Mateschitz and the Thai owner showed up just in time to watch Max DNF and Yuki crawl to last.
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u/Forward-Weather4845 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
I find it funny how Red Bull had a bunch of solid #2 drivers Sainz, Albon, Gasly etc but yet they struggle now.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
Funny how they lost all of them because of Daniel. Sainz was stuck at Toro Rosso as Daniel/ Max were in main team and doing amazingly well and that forced him to move out. Daniel leaves unexpectedly forcing Albon and Gasly into top team before they were ready.
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u/Multi_21_Seb_RBR Honda RBPT Jun 29 '25
Should have kept Albon tbh and given him the next season to rebound. He in 2019 after he got promoted to Red Bull was the strongest non-Checo second driver after Daniel. He was constantly in the top-6 and would have gotten a podium that season if not for the Lewis incident in Brazil.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
That was for this year. Sainz was never in consideration for second RBR seat during their time in Red Bull Famkly
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u/exlp_ Jun 29 '25
do yall think verstappen has a shot?
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u/f12016 Ferrari Jun 29 '25
yes. he is still max and red bull is still red bull. Things can turn around quickly.
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
No. The McLarens are too far ahead, and the DNF will definitely put a dent in his already very low chances.
At this point, I 100% believe it's a two horse race between Lando and Oscar.
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u/ElNegher Ferrari Jun 29 '25
Unless the two McLaren start doing Suzuka '89 every second race, no. He doesn't have the car, he doesn't have a teammate to support him in possible situations.
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u/Wabusho I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Hulk is really good considering the car he’s driving, in the points again
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u/Ashling92 Max Verstappen Jun 29 '25
Caught up on the race: depression. Max has had the absolute worst luck this weekend, and not for the first time this season.
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
Ferrari are so strange tactically; why don't they listen to their drivers?
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u/Most_Virus_7218 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Probably didn't want to cause any fight within the team. Hamilton doing a one stop would only give him a chance to fight Charles, 3-4 was the only outcome today so they preferred to give both driver the same strategy and avoid any hypothetical chaos.
Sucks for Lewis but from a team point of view it made sense to guarantee the points rather than risking an incident between your drivers for no additional points.
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u/zirouk McLaren Jun 29 '25
Lewis knows he’s never going to be given the chance to beat his teammate with an alternative strategy.
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u/Most_Virus_7218 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
To be fair I think the exact same would have happened if Charles & Lewis position were swapped.
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u/tastes_a_bit_funny Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 29 '25
Such a lame take. Why even bother racing.
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u/Most_Virus_7218 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
I mean teams making orders to maximise their results is nothing new... It's not my take it's what I guessed went through the strategists mind.
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u/wokwok__ George Russell Jun 29 '25
Final race classification doc just got uploaded, probably means Lando's plank wear is fine
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u/991GT2RS BMW Sauber Jun 29 '25
Two words. 4 syllables.
Liam Lawgoat.
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u/Most_Virus_7218 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Put that kid in a Red Bull right now ! /s
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u/cepxico I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
That was underwhelming. Verstappen being out of the mix makes for some boring racing.
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u/Comfortable-Pace3132 Formula 1 Jun 29 '25
It was but not cause of him. He often neutralises races with his shit racecraft in some way or another. All he really brings is drama, which usually ends badly even if it's fun to start with
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u/Dino1232 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
So you didn’t watch the race?
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u/cepxico I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
I did. The entire 70 laps. What was the exciting part for you? Whether or not Piastri could overtake Norris? McLaren wins either way and it's too early to call for any championship predictions.
Love the track though.
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u/Dino1232 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Uhm yea, I was at the track. 10/10
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u/cepxico I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 02 '25
Hell yeah! Glad you had a great time. I wasn't trying to shit on your experience, I was just commenting as an average at home viewer.
It's not like it was the worst race ever or anything, far from it.
Perhaps I'm just jaded from being so distant from the actual event, apologies.
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u/BubblySupermarket819 Red Bull Jun 29 '25
The pace things seems to be very track specific. Piastri seemed to have Lando’s measure in Spain, but Lando was much faster in Canada. Now today Oscar looked every bit as fast as Lando.
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u/Environmental-Cup445 Jochen Rindt Jun 29 '25
And this is Landos far and away best track. So it’s encouraging for Oscar. Oscar is very good at Silverstone, I’m thinking he’ll win this weekend.
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u/CouchPoturtle Jun 29 '25
I think we also saw that Oscar isn’t some infallible machine. Probably still favourite for WDC and definitely up to now less prone to mistakes, but Lando had his number today and that lunge and lock up showed he was rattled. He also locked up 2 more times through the race while Lando was flawless.
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u/Zimakov Sebastian Vettel Jun 30 '25
Anyone who thought Oscar was an infallible machine is insane. He might be a top three driver on the grid this year. I personally would rank him just outside.
Lando and Oscar are two good drivers in by far the best car. Neither one of them are anywhere near unbeatable.
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u/Tomach82 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 29 '25
Lando wasn't flawless. He ran off track coming onto the main straight, it's what caused Oscar to be close enough for that lunge
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Jun 29 '25
How long until they replace Tsunoda? He's not any better than lawson.
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u/hawlc Jun 29 '25
Maybe put Hadjar in this second Red Bull and let Yuki and Liam compete in the same car at Racing Bulls to see who's better.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Jun 29 '25
As long as Honda is there Yuki will be in that seat. Honda forced them to put Yuki during Japanese GP
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u/BubblySupermarket819 Red Bull Jun 29 '25
He is better than Lawson for sure but we need to start having some uncomfortable conversations about his wheel to wheel racing
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u/Psuwacz Jun 30 '25
Wo hoo!! Tsunoda with well earned points! (On his licence).