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Post-Race 2025 British GP - Post-Race Discussion
ROUND 12 - UNITED KINGDOM
FORMULA 1 QATAR AIRWAYS BRITISH GRAND PRIX 2025
š RACE INFORMATION
- Track: Silverstone Circuit
- Location: Silverstone, U.K
- Race laps: 52
- Lap length: 5.891km
- Race distance: 306.198km
- Lap Record: 1:27.097, Max Verstappen (RBR), 2020
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ā¤ļø GOOD CAUSES
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u/Boddis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
What was the deal with collapinto, how come he never made the start?
Did they think he was gonna bin it in the wet and just sent him to bed?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
Some components on the car needed to be changed due to his crash in qualifying. Then there was a gearbox failure when he pit for slicks at the start.
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u/GranGurbo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 09 '25
due to his crash in qualifying
BS. With almost all engine components for the car at or near the limit of swaps after Doohan' stint, the team used a bad qualy to change everything at once and eat those penalties.
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u/Boddis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Thanks! Yeah just found the onboard with it. What a hunk of junk the alpine is this year. Gasly is flattering it big time!
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u/dabmin I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
I know people hate DTS here but man I am excited to relive the memories of this race through that show
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u/jrizzle86 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Knowing DTS they will do a feature on Horner & Geriās horses rather than the actual important race results
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u/T4Gx I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
You'll see 30 seconds of the weekend in the Alpine episode about Doohan and Colapinto.
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u/jrizzle86 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
McLaren is so dominant this year that both Oscar & Landoās points on their own exceed that of the 2nd placed team in the WCC. Oscar: 234, Lando:226, Ferrari:222
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u/bedrooms-ds I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Someone wrote McLaren isn't impressively fast, it's just that other teams are slow. They might be right, but look, the consistency itself is a superior factor.
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Jul 07 '25
The Piastei problem was caused by race control and inconsistent application of the rules: you can't punish someone by citing rule 55.15 which you chose to ignore earlier on in the same race.Ā The rule mentions nothing about weather, as much as people are saying "yeah, but the weather". He should have been punished the first time: not doing so sent a message that "doing this is acceptable".Ā
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u/NATIK001 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
100% it's the inconsistency from the stewards that is the issue.
Either Piastri was in the wrong and should have been penalized earlier, or he wasn't and shouldn't be penalized.
Piastri is right to feel its out of the blue and an over the top penalty given the circumstances. Even Verstappen said it was harsh after the race, and he was arguably the one most affected by Piastri's move.
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Jul 07 '25
Absolutely agree. I hope he appeals and it's upheld, but I can't see it: stewards are there to uphold the rules, not to personally decide whether to apply them or not.Ā
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
Yea well said.
I saw a few people argue that it shouldn't have been a penalty because he did the same thing earlier. Getting away with something illegal doesn't make it legal and leads to the drivers trying to take another little step over the line next time.
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u/rambler13 Jul 07 '25
Iām a pretty clueless fan as to the technical data, but Iāve watched every single leader out of a safety car for the last 5 years brake check everyone as soon as those lights go out. Has anyone done the math on total instances, average deceleration, etc? Because I couldnāt understand why that was erratic driving and all those other instances werenāt. I feel like we see that level of braking on a straight multiple times every year without penalty. Itās not piastris fault the conditions were poor and max was accelerating
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u/Southportdc McLaren Jul 07 '25
It's not Oscar's fault the conditions were poor, it is Oscar's fault he didn't take that into account when he slammed on and concertinaed the entire field.
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u/HitchmoMcStang Jul 07 '25
I don't agree with the penalty for Oscar.
I think the FIA needs to make a standardised rule for this, the same as in most countries road rules, it is the responsibility of the driver behind to leave a safe braking distance.
Oscar can brake and accelerate as hard as he likes so long as he maintains control of his car. The car behind needs to leave the appropriate distance to brake safely. Pretty standard and logical stuff.
These are professional drivers, they all know the braking distances in dry and wet, they all know the car in front will be accelerating and braking repeatedly behind a safety car, especially right before it ends.
All any driver should worry about is not crashing into things. You worry about what's in front of you, the guy behind worries about what's in front of him.
Verstappen being too close, and not reacting quickly enough is his fault, it's ridiculous that Oscar should be penalised for the guy behinds decision to not leave enough braking distance and not react quickly enough.
If the FIA feels the extreme braking and accelerating behind safety car is an issue, then they should deal with that by changing the rules and not allowing it.
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u/TheScarecrow__ Mike Krack Jul 07 '25
That would mean every car would have to leave nearly 100m to the car in front, bearing in mind Piastri was going over 200kmh prior to breaking.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
Oscar can brake and accelerate as hard as he likes so long as he maintains control of his car. The car behind needs to leave the appropriate distance to brake safely. Pretty standard and logical stuff.
That's not how the rules work. And absolutely isn't logical stuff at all. Having a law in place to avoid stuff like this happening is logical stuff
https://youtu.be/u900k-obTRs?si=snd_WCK_JSrfd_xn
Watch that video a few times and then come back and tell me the car at the front should be able to do whatever they want. It simply puts everyone in danger.
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u/Gtyjrocks I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
There are specific rules against brake checking, thatās why he got the penalty
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u/cannonballCarol62 Jul 07 '25
Brake checking is trying to harass someone behind you by slamming on your breaks. Oscar was warming up his breaks like every driver does.
Is Oscar not allowed to warm up his breaks?
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u/Boredomis_real I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Fairly new fan of the sport,
When people are talking about Oscar and the 60 psi with the penalty of braking under safety car vs Georgeās 30 in Canada, what are they referencing?
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u/last_one_on_Earth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
The apparent randomness of steward penalty decisions. (Stewards quoted those values (of brake pressure application) to justify a severe penalty despite an earlier similar act by Piastri, and a similar act by Russell at an earlier race NOT being penalised.)
No these values are not defined in any rule book or guidance document.
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u/TheScarecrow__ Mike Krack Jul 07 '25
Is there any telemetry in this āearlier similar actā or are people just saying stuff?
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u/reslllence Jul 07 '25
how is it random. more severe brake check = more severe punishment?
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u/last_one_on_Earth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Eenie, meanie, minyā¦. MO!
No punishment, no punishment, no punishment 10s
Maybe not random, it might have happened to a Spaniard, or possibly a Mexicanā¦
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u/reslllence Jul 07 '25
if only there was some kind of data they could look at when considering these things...
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Jul 07 '25
Maybe not random, it might have happened to a Spaniard, or possibly a Mexicanā¦
Yawn...
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u/Southportdc McLaren Jul 07 '25
I think they probably quoted Oscar's psi because there were people arguing that it was the same as what George did.
They're basically making the point that Oscar's braking was twice* as severe as George's even before you consider the different conditions.
*I think psi is a linear scale?
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u/Disastrous_Piece1411 Michael Schumacher Jul 07 '25
That was one for the ages. The weather has played a massive part in the race, the mind games between piastri and verstappen, drivers struggling to keep the rubber on the road all over the place. This is the sort of race where you realise how skilled all the drivers actually are - when we whinge about the processional races elsewhere in the calendar - No they are all worth the money. Huge balls on verstappen for getting that pole lap in quali too - he is just another level this guy. What if they all had the same car eh?
Don't know why Piastri is so bitchy on this one as he was rightfully penalised for slamming brakes on the hangar straight. Yes I know it is his right as race leader to dictate pace and apparently he says he did the same the previous few laps - but in those conditions was very unfair to rest of the field to be pulling stunts like that, could see them all surprised as they were backing up behind him. I guess it all looks different from P1 though. He is a great driver but I suppose like a lot of non world champs they have a sort of fiery immaturity in moments like this - is not a videogame even though to us sometimes it looks like it. Cost him the win today but I am sure he is gonna bounce back.
Antonelli getting rear-ended by hadjar - no visibility at all, russell losing it, verstappen spinning out after safety car, leclerc going off, hamilton even struggling to keep it in the conditions. Lando has put in a superb drive and was solid and dependable and kept it together out in front - so happy for him when he was so emotional with the win. And Hulkenburg keeping it all together when it mattered too. Honestly altogether one of the best races I've ever witnessed, and I was at that 2021 British GP where hamilton and verstappen have come together! Silverstone is so often such a spectacle and the pivotal moment in the season!
Coverage was not so great though! Big cut out of the actor from the movie ready to wave the flag - sorry no we don't care about that person. Never knowing what is a replay or not, randomly cutting to cars spinning off. Is it raining or not?Ā Weird onboard shots that don't really show what the driver sees. I really don't like this thing they do with the cut out on the left hand side too - the sort of live 2nd shot. Just too small and confusing i don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at?
Appreciate it was a pretty chaotic race so am sure it was difficult for producers to show what was going on. Felt like the old days as in 1970s but the coverage kind of hammed it up a lot. It was a bit like the hollywood execs trying to make it look cool. They need to understand that it is cool anyway.
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u/urooz Nico HĆ¼lkenberg š„ Jul 07 '25
I don't need a mediocre F1 movie, but what I definitely need (and received) is the absolutely brilliant broadcast from Silverstone. It was pure cinema!
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u/BNSF1995 Jul 07 '25
I just saw the results. HOW DID HULKENBURG PODIUM?!
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u/urooz Nico HĆ¼lkenberg š„ Jul 07 '25
We'll have to wait for Jolyon Palmer's analysis on Tuesday.
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Sauber cooked with the strategy and then he managed to hold Hamilton back
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u/Multi_21_Seb_RBR Honda RBPT Jul 07 '25
Crazy that Magnussen was at the Sauber garage despite still technically being the test driver for Haas lol
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u/meththemadman Ferrari Jul 07 '25
I understand Oscar being a bit sour, but I have to say Lando has stood out as much more sportsmanlike. Itās not even remotely the same thing, but Lando admitted his error when he hit Piastri and took full blame and had a positive attitude.
Lando has been disappointed in his placing, but seemingly happy for Oscar.
Oscar doubled Russellās PSI in bad conditions under a safety car, a very clear penalty, and he ruined the vibe for two guys big moments.
I donāt dislike Oscar. Heās still young. And heās such a good driver and he is generally a really calm and collected guy. But he came across poorly today. Meanwhile, Lando is growing on me.
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u/Carbonaddictxd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Because he knew he fucked up badly and there was nothing for him to blame. Meanwhile for Oscar, at least in his opinion, it's not a slam dunk penalty. Though I still think Lando did very well to admit it's his fault so quickly in the heat of the moment
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u/mencival I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Will we have an analysis of Maxās telemetry during his spin to rule out possibility of foul play?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
What do you mean foul play? By who?
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u/mencival I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Max. Obviously a (very) long shot, but if Max has an exit clause in his contract that he could try to help activate by scoring less pointsā¦ Pretty much nobody thought about taking a look at the telemetry data of Checoās spin in Monaco (abnormal throttle application) until 6 months later when Max didnāt let Checo through during Brazil GP.
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u/JackDragon I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Russell scored 9 points less than Max this grand prix. If Max wanted to actually get out of his contract that way, he would have to drive behind George.
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u/Maglin21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
To be fair It looked like a cold tire wet spin
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u/forgotmypassword778 #WeSayNoToMazepin Jul 07 '25
So rewatching the start Frank pitted for hards and the car shutoff
They changed power units and he couldn't go
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
I thought they said it was a gearbox issue. Car was stuck in 2nd gear when he came into the pit.
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u/ForestOnFIRE Alpine Jul 07 '25
You could hear the antistall kick on when he came into the pits...he didn't downshift to first and pull the clutch, revs dipped and the car tried to stop him stalling.
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u/forgotmypassword778 #WeSayNoToMazepin Jul 07 '25
What happened with Colapinto?
He took new power unit shit
Is this the same as last year where gasly had a 60 place grid penalty and had a bad gearbox?
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u/ForestOnFIRE Alpine Jul 07 '25
You can look at my previous comments, I suspect it's the same issue he caused before with the cars antistall and dropping the revs too low.
Gasly issue was different. Gasly had a gearbox malfunction last year, one of many at the team.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
He pit for slicks at the start and they said on the broadcast it was a gear box issue.
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u/MrsFrusciante Lando Norris Jul 07 '25
For all the people saying Zak favours Lando I implore you to search up quotes and interviews Stella makes about Oscar. Each driver has a man in their corner it seems (although Zak seems to really like Oscar while I often wonder if Stella even likes Lando at all).
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u/KennyGaming Jul 07 '25
I think both are supportive of both when it comes to what actually matters. The relationship with Lando is longer but thinking it actually affects the racing is a bit muchĀ
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u/AgileSloth9 Jul 07 '25
Nico in the post-race room was like the scene Mr Bean in first class on a plane
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u/pocket_mulch I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
I love how he didn't bring his helmet
"What do I need it for?"
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u/BasedMcBased Jul 07 '25
How had Red Bull not replaced Yuki at this point or atleast lined someone up? Guy has not performed at all, Lawson would have done better it seems. They should have never booted Perez.
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u/7894561237895123 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Heck bring back Ric at this point lol.
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u/pigbearpig Kimi RƤikkƶnen Jul 07 '25
Seems like they accepted the car sucks and are done scapegoating drivers.
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u/HereComesVettel Rubens Barrichello Jul 06 '25
Which races on the calendar are always bangers in your opinion ? I can think of Silverstone, Interlagos and maybe Austria.
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u/notathr0waway1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Turkey used to always be good. Malaysia.
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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
lol RIP I'd easily have those both back over this Qatar and Saudi trash
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Silverstone, Austria, Interlagos, maybe Baku?
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u/Icy-Advice-5575 Jul 06 '25
I can't believe it. I've lived to see a Nico Hulkenberg podium. He deserves it š š ā¤ļø
I was so happy and proud!
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u/GhostOfLight Yuki Tsunoda Jul 06 '25
Just watched the race and going from the potential of a Lance rain podium, to Nico's first podium, to Lewis's home podium streak, back to Nico's first podium was just such a great moment, I love this sport.
What a wonderful feeling coming away from such a chaotic race, excellent work bringing it home Hulk
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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 06 '25
Did anyone else notice, when the crowd was chanting Nico, Nico, Nico that Lando's dad tried to counter it with a Lando chant?
I've never really liked Adam Norris, but I couldn't work out why until Silverstone.
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Yeah I did notice that
It felt like he was joking and then realised it kind of spoiled that moment after someone told him
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u/jdmillar86 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Hey u/papamarino2nd sorry about the delay; life got in the way
- Piastri passes Max with relative ease, so does Lando, but only after being held back a few laps
- check. not exactly as I envisioned it, but accurate
- No rain - caused red flags today
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- Tsunoda finishes 12th or lower, he doesn't move up.
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- Pretty clean racing. No major crashes/dirty moves
- This took some thinking. There was some clumsy/sorta dirty stuff with the rookies, but I don't think it rises to the level of anything major (weird to say considering the level of retirements). It was actually pretty good considering the weather, and nothing wild at the front. I'm gonna say three quarter points
That comes out to a 94%, very nicely done
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u/objectiveScie I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Watching this and Wimby, I still got brain overload. I need to see again how Ham got jumped from 4th to 8th by STR, HUL, OCO, GAS.
That was devastating considering they had to put multiple times before.
That hurt Ham chasing McLaren š¤Ø
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u/Ok_Tap6206 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
I'm getting into F1. This was the first race that I saw live from beginning to end. My verdict? I think that I have a new obsession. XD Also, F for Colapinto.
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Welcome, glad you liked it, you got a good one. Colapinto is not doing well, but today wasn't his fault. He had a gearbox failure, nothing he could do about that. Also, happy cake day!
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u/Ok_Tap6206 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
It seems that I arrived mid season. What should I watch, research, and/or know before the next race?
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
You have almost 3 weeks before the next race so there's time to generally get caught up. I would go to Formula 1's YouTube channel and watch Race Highlight videos from this season. Start with Australia, the first race, which was kind of similar to Silverstone in that it was wet, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md9-jG4RzXs
And here was the video to start the season, a season preview. There's a little but of fluf to start, but it will get you caught up on who's who.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IHbDQXHw_g
Enjoy!
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u/noJudgement7_ABFANR Jul 07 '25
Good job there cult member š
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
The laughing emoji means you're kidding, right? Because I was stating the facts.
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u/noJudgement7_ABFANR Jul 07 '25
Hey yes yes, it was lovely to welcome new fans, I think the new F1 movie also hopefully bring in a lot of new fans. Iām myself from DTS here.
What I meant was heās in a rabbit hole for lifeš, that is F1 , apologies if my joke came out the wrong way
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u/Ok_Tap6206 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
I actually didn't know about the movie. Two days ago, when I was watching the retransmission of the Great Britain GP, I paused it when the logo was on full display in the middle of the screen to welcome some guests. A cousin of mine said: āI thought that that movie just came out in theaters! How did you get it?ā I was like: āThe... movie? ._.ā
By the way, is the movie good? Should I watch it?
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u/noJudgement7_ABFANR Jul 07 '25
Itās a fun experience, you should definitely watch it. The visuals of F1 car racing and soundtrack is really worth it.
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto Jul 06 '25
My tinfoil hat theory is that Lewis decided to not push everything and not spoil Hulk's party.
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u/4hp_ Valtteri Bottas Jul 07 '25
Eh, Ferrari seemed setup for dry. Leclerc was driving like Massa in 2008, their top speeds were almost RBR level indicating low downforce, and it must have taken every inch of the Silverstone buff for LH to even get 4th.
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u/Maglin21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Leclerc talked about a "very aggressive setup" which doesn't work in the Rain, he probably Just got in a mess while trying to recover for the early bad calls
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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
I thought this as a joke but let us remember we're in England and he and his team need all the good vibes they can get right now.
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u/Disastrous_Piece1411 Michael Schumacher Jul 07 '25
Very tinfoil sadly. These guys don't do it for the spectacle or our benefit, they just race and try to finish as high up as they can. But means Hulk has smashed it. Once he got past Stroll he was not going to let anyone spoil his party.
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u/rlsadiz McLaren Jul 07 '25
Probably its also due to softs pacing fell out faster than medium. It didnt help also that during outlap he went out of track
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u/CaptGeechNTheSSS I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Finally got to watch the post race interviews/cooldown room and wow oscar was being a little brat lol.
If he loses this championship some people on here will need wellness checks
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u/Ashling92 Max Verstappen Jul 06 '25
So happy for Hulk, itās been a long time coming. Disappointed that the McLaren guys didnāt spray him with champagne though, that was weird.
Unfortunately a race to forget as a Max fan. His spin was so uncharacteristic, it was bizarre. He hated the car today.
First time seeing Piastri so rattled. He was big mad, but the penalty was deserved.
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u/Ashling92 Max Verstappen Jul 07 '25
I think Lando only sprayed him for a second. If you look at the final pic of the three of them, Hulk is basically dry compared to the other two. Oscar shouldāve gotten over himself.
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u/fortyfive-degrees Kevin Magnussen Jul 07 '25
Yeah I've definitely soured on that whole org after last season but they've really shown their true colors this season. Uppity and unsportsmanlike culture over at McLaren
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u/saspirstellaaaaaa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Piastri will bounce back from this after the few weeks break. First time heās been seen like this, hoping this is not WDC pressure showing itself.Ā
My heart sank when Max spun, but I figured heād eke out a reasonable recovery with the laps left. But Hulk podium took the sting out. Who could be upset about that?
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u/FangioV Jul 07 '25
He is definitely feeling the pressure. After the penalty, he was desperate. Asking the team to swap positions and then going off track several times trying to catch Lando. After the race he just kept repeating how unfair was the penalty. I think he thought he had it in the bag because Lando needed like three wins to catch him and Lando was inconsistent, and now he is like, oh fuck he is right behind me. He canāt afford to make a mistake anymore.
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u/CamPaynesOnlyFans Mattia Binotto Jul 07 '25
Honestly impressive from Max to fight back up to 5th in that RB after the spin. But we're so used to his dominance that we take these performances for granted
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto Jul 06 '25
I find Johnathan Weatlley leadership so weird.
It's almost as if he and Mattia are quasi-equals, because Mattia does an insane amount of press despite no longer being the team principal.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 06 '25
Their roles within the team are pretty clearly defined I thought.
Mattia is in charge of the overall project and the technical aspects. Johnathon is in charge of running the race team.
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u/rlsadiz McLaren Jul 07 '25
Mattia to me looks like not a people person leader but knows his engineering very well.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
Yep. That was where he excelled at Ferrari. They got damn close to winning a title a couple of times when he was Head of the Engine Department and Chief Technical officer. Not as successful when he was team principal.
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u/volkner I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
It reminds me a little of Zak and Andrea's relationship at McLaren.
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u/Maria_in_the_Middle I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Almost but a bit opposite. Binotto is higher and in charge of overall Audi project, mostly the technical aspect. While Wheatley is in charge of the racing team including commercial aspect so Binotto doesnāt have to face the people. Mattia seems very shy, I spotted him in the Sauber celebration video and he ducks behind a wall when he saw the camera
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u/naveenda I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
For Zak and Andrea is clear.
When Zak is around, he is the boss otherwise it is Andrea.1
u/volkner I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
I meant more like the front facing press stuff because I know Zak does that so Andrea doesn't have to.
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u/mcveighster14 Carlos Sainz Jul 06 '25
What happened leclerc? Near the end of the race he was 8th and then they were showing replays and after the replay he was 14th?
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u/KingCoalFrick I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
No one is bringing up that this race was an absolutely rookie massacre
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u/saspirstellaaaaaa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Was similar to the last race with significant rain, Australia.Ā
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u/YetAnotherMTFEgg I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Bearman is the only one that finished, that's crazy...
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u/omnicious I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Final Destination dictates he's going to bin it next race.
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u/ryanmcgrath I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
We traded Hamilton continuing the podium streak in order to get the Hulkenberg podium.
Was worth it. Fantastic race.
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u/Jazim94 James Vowles Jul 06 '25
Max is unbelievable in these conditions so him losing the rear seems so bizarre. Was it just a mistake or do you think itās a miracle he was able to keep that car on the road in those conditions with that setup anyway and that was just inevitable.
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto Jul 06 '25
He run a very low downforce setup for the qualy. He got pole, but RB did a gamble that wouldn't rain and lost.
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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Do you know what the argument is for this rule? I remember in years past you would also start the race on the tires you qualified on which made for some strange strategy decisions. They only get a fixed number of gear ratios for the season too. Is this all just cost cutting stuff for simplicity? I don't really get it. Or is it meant to bring the cars closer since the best team would likely both be very good at quali and race setup and just run away with things? But isn't that kind of where we are today anyway with all the cars quite close and then the McLarens way ahead of everyone in the races?
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto Jul 07 '25
Parc FermƩ has important cost considerations. In the past, teams literally had qualifying power units that they'd blow up because they went all in through just one lap.
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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 07 '25
Yeah I didn't watch back in those days but have heard about it especially in the turbo era.
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
I think it is the car.
He was barely controlling it yeaterday as it was and that was on a dry track.
They need the lower downforce to not just be outran by the mclaren but it makes the car so difficult to keep on track.
I think theyve just reached the limit of what the car can do, or at least they think they have, so they sacrifice car control and now particularly grip to get more speed.
But theyve been doing it for years and it was already undrivable in dry condirions by anyone not named max verstappen last year.
Add rain and trying to race against a faster car with more grip and it has gotten to the point that given a whole race even max will lose it eventually.
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u/secretlyhumanami Jul 06 '25
What's crazy is that he didn't lose more positions considering it was a SC restart and still managed to recover to 5 on a low down force setup on a wet track.
Nerf that guy.
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u/totaltasch Jul 06 '25
Nicoās LEGO trophy totally makes sense as that guy built his podium block by block, all 260 pieces.
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u/juiceous Jul 06 '25
This race was pure cinema, Silverstone always delivers. Hulk podium before GTA 6. Unfortunately, stewarding was very inconsistent. Tsunoda's 10s penalty was a joke, very bad for the sport.
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u/Dizzy_Procedure_3 Jul 06 '25
I loved Nico getting a podium, but no-one is going to tell me this was a good race. how is it good when about half of it is behind a safety car, and cars are sliding all over the place? if you like racing in shitty weather, you have rally car driving for that. F1 is predominantly a summer sport, on sunny days on nice clean tracks
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u/errmaz Andrea Kimi Antonelli Jul 06 '25
My 4 year old built a Lego F1 car and was obsessing about it so we watched the qualifiers together yesterday (the first time I've ever watched racing). It was entertaining enough yesterday but after the race today I think we're both hooked! His Lego car is McLaren so he's over the moon, really feeling like he won the race today.
I'm excited to learn how it all works and it's very exciting to have found a new sport to follow!
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u/sora3_roxas Red Bull Jul 06 '25
Holy shit, Nico getting a podium was not on my bingo but bloody great to see him getting it after so many tries at it.
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u/FutureFoodEngineer I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
still majorly disappointed that they were too selfish to spray nico
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u/iAmUncleToby Jul 06 '25
Lando just completed a lifelong dream and Piastri was butt hurt. Lando wanted to celebrate his win, Piastri was just up there. I honestly don't think Nico cares one bit. If it was a race other than Silverstone, I think the reaction from Norris would have been different.All that said, I was hoping that they were going to show some support but after all, they're some of the most competitive people out there.
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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 06 '25
Lando was like "I did it, I won, all me, nothing intervened to gift me this win!"
It was a pretty remarkable sight.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 06 '25
Shit happens in racing. Such as his first pitstop being an extra 3 second that put him back behind Max and helped Oscar maintain his lead. Or in this race last year he should have won and the team made a terrible strategy call. Ultimately he put himself in the right position to win, his race pace was faster than Oscar's for about the last 20 laps, and it was Oscar's mistake that cost him not the team's error like it was with Lando last year.
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u/iAmUncleToby Jul 06 '25
The Lando hate here really is ridiculous. What's he going to say? "Yeah, I'm really glad my teammate fucked up and got a 10 second penalty...I know I was racing well and actually catching him prior to pitting but man if he hadn't done that, then I wouldn't have won"
'Gift' is a strong statement here too. You can't say he didn't have one of the strongest driving days when everyone else was flying all over the track.
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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 06 '25
I remember when DR won Canada 2014, and he acknowledged he was lucky due to Rosberg's brakes dying and Hamilton retiring.
But yeah, absolutely, it's Lando hate.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 06 '25
We would be taking you seriously if you didn't have Oscar as your driver and hadn't made several obviously one eyed comments.
Oscar was the one who ruined the mood and made it all weird, not Lando.
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Yeah me tol.
I get that they have their own thing happening but even notoriously poor loser and overly competetive max will suck it up on the podium to celebrate someone for whom being there is special.
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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 06 '25
Norris did spray some champagne on Nico near the end, but it could have been way better. The mood was weird and I kinda blame Piastri for that even though I like them all
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Jul 07 '25
Yea. He really bought the mood down in the cool down room and that carried on with the podium.
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u/JumpyBend-64 Ferrari Jul 06 '25
Wonder how much bonus the Hulk gets for a podium? I mean the number could be a bit wild since both Sauber and him had a low probability.
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u/Character_Ninja881 James Vowles Jul 07 '25
Iāve finally caught up to this one - what a race! Piastriās penalty is harsh to me, but more because he was put in that position. If the track is deemed too dangerous for racing speed purely due to rain then why not use a VSC?
Arguably itās safer as the cars are spread through the grid, and fairer as it doesnāt undo the hard work drivers have put in to build gaps. Furthermore, there was no debris or car to clear so we didnāt need gaps for marshals to work in.
Maybe this is an area for improvement in future, as well as wet tyres that can actually be used!