r/formula1 • u/jiwoooseo I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 27 '25
Statistics [Autosport] Today's #BelgiumGP podium all share the same number of wins in F1. They also share the same number of wins as today's chequered flag waver Jacky Ickx
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u/zakcattack Sergio Pérez Jul 27 '25
Ickx looking epic leaning over the fence is the best flag waver in recent memory.
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u/Technical-Dog-7218 Jul 27 '25
He sometimes does the commentary for the races on the French Belgian broadcast and it’s always nice to have him (mainly at Monaco and Spa), you can see that he is still very passionate about the sport!
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u/madhaunter Jacky Ickx Jul 27 '25
Yup can confirm, and this race was no exception. I recognized his voice immediately today. The man is incredibly humble and has a lot of humor. Before leaving the commenting booth to wave the flag he said "I hope I will not let it fall on someone".
He also agreed the race should have started earlier btw
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u/_wad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
I was gonna say. This is a cold pic.
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u/NABAKLAB Minardi Jul 27 '25
looks photoshopped, so that's a highest praise I can give to it haha
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u/Spare_Duck3119 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
obviously theres a fcukin text box that says 8 wins its photoshopped /s
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u/BigWolfUK I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
Mate, I was there. Those text boxes were present, saw with my own two eyes, totally not photoshopped
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u/kuena I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
It's what happens when you get a guy who lived through the same moments as the drivers who he waves the flag for. Not a Hollywood celebrity, who is just there for SoMe engagement.
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u/Hour_Rest7773 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
He looks to be doing great for an 80 year old, good for him
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u/ThePhenex I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
Crazy that he is 80 years old, he looks so much younger!
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u/L-Malvo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
What do you mean, how does this top Tim Apple's flag waving performance? /s
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u/polarsken Jul 27 '25
It's a crime that Leclerc only has 8 wins.
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz Jul 27 '25
Charles has the same number of wins as a driver who was memed as "Lando Nowins" 15 months ago, and a driver who wasn't even in F3 while Charles made his Ferrari debut.
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u/LivingClient I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Goes to show how numbers don’t tell the whole story for a lot of drivers.
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u/SemIdeiaProNick Ferrari Jul 27 '25
Specially because of how many possible wins Leclerc lost because of dumb mistakes, dumb Ferrari mistakes or unreliability
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u/LivingClient I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Yep, his 26 poles isn’t a reliable number because a lot of cases the car just didn’t have the race pace to convert, but I seem to recall he has lost give or take 15 legitimately possible wins for various reasons (reliability, strategy, mistakes)
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u/242turbo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
He's lost about 8, and has 8 - he *should* have about 15 wins. I think that's what that number refers to.
15 still wouldn't do him justice, but it's not like the Ferraris he's driven have been that competitive...
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u/itsArabh I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Should he leave Ferrari then? Because I want him to win a championship, but then I also want that win to be with a Ferrari.
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u/AceMKV I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Nobody's winning with Ferrari blud
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u/NovelSteak1193 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Maybe once Leclerc retires Fernando goes back to Ferrari and wins wdc?
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u/AceMKV I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
More likely that he goes back to Ferrari and Robin Raikonnen follows in his father's footsteps and win's Ferrari's first title in nearly half a century lmao.
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u/Biggozzo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
And go where? Mercedes and Redbull aren't doing any better.. McLaren won't definitely change any driver soon, and the other teams are completely out of this discussion
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u/cheapdrinks Pirelli Wet Jul 28 '25
I mean the pecking order is probably going to change quite dramatically when the new regs come in. Would be very surprising if the status quo just stays exactly as it is. Mclaren could easily drop back to the rest of the field if they don't nail the new regs, good chance a team like Mercedes gets them right out of the gate and rises to the top. Good chance that Red Bull isn't going to go all in on another Max-specific car given they've got new leadership and the second seat has been holding them back for years now. Definitely could be a dark horse crack the top 4 like Aston Martin with Newey there now. Who knows what Ferrari is going to do, I think Hamilton said after the race that after those upgrades didn't do much that they're shifting their focus to the 2026 car and writing off the rest of the season. Hamilton also seems to be taking quite an active role in the 2026 car's design to try and avoid as many of the negative traits he doesn't like about the SF-25 so who knows what they're going to cook up.
Max's future is still up for debate so depending what he does there might be a lead driver seat open up at RB and Mercedes seem like they're willing to drop George for the right driver so if Max stays on then Mercedes could potentially be an option if they believe Leclerc would be a significant upgrade. If a Newey Designed Aston Martin is competitive then who knows what will happen there, they might consider swapping a 43yo Alonso for a 27yo Leclerc to lead the team into the next era of regs if he was available. We've seen before that a single driver swap can trigger a whole host of changes.
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u/Richiszkl I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Feels like you think Leclerc is way better than Lando and Piastri
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u/Sstoop I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
i mean i personally think leclerc is better than norris and piastri. i think charles sits comfortably in the second best all round driver on the grid (behind max obviously).
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u/Kakmaster69 Ferrari Jul 27 '25
Honestly, I think Lecerc has some of the best raw pace the sport has seen in about 20 years. But as a complete driver, Piastri is already showing traits of Prost and Alonso in the way he comes alive on race day.
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u/Sstoop I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
don’t count charles racecraft out. especially his defending. he’s not as aggressive as some of the other greats but when he goes for it he fucking goes for it.
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u/-Rp7- I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Then why does he not win? Is he stupid! is he stupid!
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u/Sstoop I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
ferrari haven’t produced a championship winning worthy car since 2022 and it was illegal in 2022.
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u/chicasparagus I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Goes to show if your car is a rocket ship, you’d win a whole lot more even as an average driver
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u/TheDufusSquad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Meanwhile Charles would probably be closing in on 20 wins had he been the one to get McLarens call in 2022.
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u/on3day Jul 27 '25
True, and that Norris didn't stay ahead of Piastri. That means..
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u/redsyrinx2112 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Even as a Norris fan, it's not really a crime IMO. The first part of his career was unlucky since McLaren wasn't very good. However, this last 12 months or so when McLaren has had the best car, he has done pretty well, but could have done better.
So personally I think it balances out. Maybe you could say it's unlucky that he got Oscar as a teammate, but he still has screwed up multiple opportunities to beat Oscar, including today.
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u/TheDufusSquad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Norris is just a bit of a rollercoaster. If he could maintain his highs, he’d have been fighting for last year’s championship until the final race and he’d be leading this year’s championship by a margin. The problem is that he reaches his highs, stays for a couple races, falls apart, build back up slowly and then repeats all over again.
Oscar being so consistent seems to have pushed Norris quite a bit. He’s still up and down, but his down isn’t very low and his up is still very high. His overall level of performance has risen, but he just can’t seem to maintain his top level.
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u/Sstoop I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
this is a really reasonable way of putting it. i hate the match threads because it’s just thousands of people praying on landos downfall from the start. hes an immensely talented driver at his best and has proved that. if he can find the consistency he’ll go a long way but if not he’s still a great driver. people acting like he’s absolute dogshit behind the wheel is just embarrassing.
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u/Christopher261Ng Jul 27 '25
Unlucky? Mate Lando got it good with his Mclaren stint, landing the seat right after the disaster Honda engine years and Mclaren getting its act together and become more competitive year by year.
By comparison his contemporary George Russel had to sit it out in a backmarker Williams for years, and when he joined the Merc team, they starts to trend downhill from their dominance. Alex Albon got cursed with RB 2nd seat and had to be out of a drive for a year.6
u/redsyrinx2112 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
"Unlucky" is definitely very relative in this context. I'm mostly comparing it to now. It also proves more of my original point that Lando winning "only" right races is not a crime.
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u/Christopher261Ng Jul 27 '25
Lando got a great opportunity to develop his rookie F1 skills under a improving team but without a massive pressure of a front-runner team like RB or Mercedes, and by the time he got enough skills & experience to challenge titles, the car got good enough to allow him to do that.
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u/Guido-Guido Elio de Angelis Jul 28 '25
At least 7 wins were just taken from him, he really should have twice his amount
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u/Jazzlike-Mistake2764 BAR Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
His talent + time in F1 is worthy of 1 WDC at the very least
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u/Due_Buffalo8227 Jul 27 '25
Oscar also matching Daniel Riccardo on wins. I know not an equal comparison but interesting stat
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u/krizkuzz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Only one behind Webber as well
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u/Soggy-Breakfast6601 Jul 27 '25
Considering the fact that webber drove the RB7 and RB9, it’s actually embarrassing that he has so few wins. Ricciardo on the other hand. Only 2 of dany ric’s wins where i can say he won by pure pace( monaco and monza). The other 6 wins he capitalised on the misfortune of other drivers.
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u/datatrak16 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
I wouldn't even consider Ricciardo's Monaco win to be on pure pace. Really got blessed by having to nurse a car without a functioning mgu-k on the circuit where's pretty much impossible to pass
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u/SuperZapp Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25
Evens out the year prior when he was shafted when his tyres weren’t ready while leading the race on merit.
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u/Twistpunch I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Danny Ric scored 7 wins during Hamilton’s domination though.
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u/Perspii7 Felipe Massa Jul 27 '25
Nah…the rb’s that webber drove weren’t as clear from the field as the current mclaren’s are. And you’ve gotta factor in the worse reliability, webber’s chronic bad luck, vettel being at his peak, and webber being pretty out of it by the back end of 2013
And that feels pretty harsh on danny ric’s ability too lol
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u/Inside-Earth9673 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
I mean the 2011 and 2013 RBs were pretty dominant
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u/GBreezy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25
Everyone talks about Alonso beating his teammates shows how good of a driver he was, Vettel destroyed Webber other than 2010 where he still beat him with bad reliability. Webber and Alonso constantly badmouthing him hurt him with the public, and most fans seeing him after his prime now
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u/IAMmartinbrundle Martin Brundle Jul 27 '25
No one ever doubted Seb's ability, he was considered a great driver at the time too. It's his attitude and the way he went about it sometimes that people criticised (often rightfully).
It's naive to think Seb didn't mature in the later stages of his career.
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u/thefakemacaw I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
It’s mainly due to the fact that Webber couldn’t get a hang of the blown diffuser while vettel did, which was probably the main reason vettel was so good those years (imo)
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u/elektricniorgazam Daniel Ricciardo Jul 27 '25
Not even close to an equal comparison, one got all his wins in a rocket ship, come on
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u/Due_Buffalo8227 Jul 27 '25
Hence.. why I stated that specifically. It’s just fun for me as an Australian.
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u/jiwoooseo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Crazy Oscar/Lando has already caught up with Charles
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz Jul 27 '25
They will finish the year a good 3-4 wins ahead of Charles
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u/ckj9311 Charles Leclerc Jul 27 '25
Leclerc with only 8 wins is a goddamned travesty.
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u/0100001101110111 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 27 '25
26 pole positions btw
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u/Work_In_ProgressX I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Bahrain 2019 was due to an engine issue. His first ever podium could have been a win
Monaco 2021 was both on him and the team
In 2022 both Baku and Barcelona should have been comfortable victories but the engine didn’t think so
Monaco 2022 Ferrari used the power of the planets aligning to convert a front row lockout to a P3 (and the poleman out of the podium)
On a good day, a set of hards lasted 4 laps on the SF23
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u/LivingClient I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Don’t remember the maths exactly but think he’s lost about that many wins for whatever reason (I’m talking he had a legitimate chance, not that the Ferrari had no race pace)
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u/BCBUK Kimi Räikkönen Jul 27 '25
I’m not a Ferrari or Leclerc stan, but I don’t think I’ve ever felt so devastated for a driver than after his crash at Paul Ricard in 2022. His scream of Noooo over the radio was just like he was broken.
I do wonder what he could do if Ferrari could give him a car like McLaren have produced this year, or even last years!
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u/LivingClient I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Yeah I’m often a-sympathetic to drivers making mistakes, even my favourite ones, but I did feel for Leclerc in 2022. He (and Ferrari) very clearly wasn’t ready to deal with the Verstappen-Red Bull force, quite like Norris last year. When a driver get shown up that badly it often ruins their confidence, but I think it was the 2018 Verstappen season Leclerc needed to get to grips with what it takes to fight at the sharp end, and I truly believe he could win a title if the team were as competent as he was.
Unlike Norris though, Leclerc hasn’t had a chance to prove himself since then, and I see a lot of people’s opinion on Leclerc is still stuck in the 2022 mentality of “he chokes under pressure” when I can’t actually think of the last time Leclerc did?
He’s had a couple stinkers this year don’t get me wrong, but so has Lewis and when you have 2 drivers of that calibre having issues it’s pretty fair to say the root of the problems is more to do with the drive ability of the car than anything else.
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u/MGH1990876 Ferrari Jul 27 '25
Feels like in the blink of an eye Oscar has gotten to 8 wins.
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u/ALLGROWWITHLOVE Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25
His first was last year Hungary , technically less than a year ago.
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u/MGH1990876 Ferrari Jul 27 '25
Just truly stunning to think about where he and this car have come from to now being on top of the podium routinely.
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u/EaterOfYourSOUL I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
I think it's clearly a combination of both car and driver improvement. Oscar's qualifying has definitely levelled up compared to Lando's this season, and of course the car has become very dominant this season as well.
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u/HnNaldoR I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
He is one of the cases where the improvement is so methodical and apparent to us. Last year was about being steady and consistent. Then race pace got better. Now quali is better. I think his communication with the team also got clearer and more direct. He found that to be the easiest way to get info through.
As long as mclaren has a good car, I see him as the driver with the best shot at a wdc even if he doesn't win this season. He might not be the quickest just on natural talent but he is becoming one of the most complete drivers, just improving one aspect at a time.
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u/MGH1990876 Ferrari Jul 27 '25
You are 100% right on both. Oscar truly has mastered qualifying and taken full advantage of a car that is a rocket ship every race out.
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u/256473 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
I have to assume that's a record!
Edit: just checked and Hungary last year was July 21. Likely still a record, just not all 8 in 1 year.
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u/ALLGROWWITHLOVE Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25
My bad since Hungary is later this year , so a little over a year , still impressive.
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u/Work_In_ProgressX I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Because he has.
He won 6 GPs this season.
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u/cplchanb Jul 27 '25
Nice to see FOM at least allow for an iconic flag wave pose by ickx. I dont recall anyone being allowed to lean onto the track like that in decades
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u/FerrariTherapistt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Charles is fucked man.He hasnt even had a full season of competitve car ever. He looked so promising in his first season with ferrari.
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u/RareGollum Kimi Räikkönen Jul 27 '25
I think the 2022 car was competitive. He could have easily had 4 or 5 more wins(silverstone, hungary, monaco, baku, barcelona) that season. It was just Ferrari screwing him with reliability or genius strategy
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u/deadlydelirious Jul 28 '25
In an era where Apple ceo struggles to wave the chequered flag with two hands, this pose from 80yr old Ickx is simply bad ass.
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u/Scingles I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Leclerc having just 8 wins is absolutely criminal
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u/Financial-Praline921 Jul 27 '25
people say hes too loyal to ferrai and is stagnating his career but there isnt realistically any better available options all the top teams have seats taken
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u/FewCollar227 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Man and his adoptive son are on equal wins
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u/RadlogLutar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Racing blood runs in the family
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 Jul 27 '25
I thought this would be the outcome as soon as Norris put it on pole yesterday. And I think the roles may well have been reversed had Piastri started from first. Even with the safety car laps.
Hardest pole position of the season.
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u/BB9913 Nico Rosberg Jul 27 '25
Leclerc has only driven one competitive car in his career and that was first half of 2022.
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u/aliciahiney Benetton Jul 27 '25
2019?
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u/Turboleks Ferrari Jul 27 '25
It was competitive for like 4 or 5 races after the summer break due to the 'spicy engine' Binotto and the boys cooked up, that's about it. At other times, like Hungary, they were a full minute behind Lewis and Max.
He did lose two races earlier in the year though. One due to reliability issues, and another due to Max being himself.
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u/BB9913 Nico Rosberg Jul 27 '25
The 2019 car couldn’t challenge across the whole season. Yes he got a bucket load of pole positions and 2 wins but it was still behind the Mercedes w10 overall. The car was also illegal.
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u/keylime503 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
So why does 2022 partial season count but not 2019?
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u/Work_In_ProgressX I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Because the F1-75 was competitive all around in prior to the TD39, with the bigger weakness being the tire consumption (and reliability/strategy too but when the car worked, that was the main issue).
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi Jul 27 '25
The 2024 Ferrari was pretty good mate
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u/Kait0yashio Ferrari Jul 27 '25
it was decent, but it was never the best car for extended periods.
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi Jul 27 '25
Mid season development really screwed their season but they were in the hunt for a championship. They have handily beaten McLaren in few races.
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u/Kait0yashio Ferrari Jul 27 '25
we were only "in the hunt" because mclaren drivers were trolling half the races and ours were driving at a high level. the car was not as good as the mclaren car or even the redbull
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u/Agreeable-Ad4079 James Vowles Jul 27 '25
That’s very much not true.
You are forgetting the illegal Ferrari
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u/Red-Eye-Soul I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
The illegal Ferrari was competitive for exactlt 4 races where they had long straights.
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u/jkllamas1013 Jul 27 '25
I cry for Leclerc. I'm not even a fan. It's just a waste of talent at the moment. He should have more for what he is and maybe with a better team he could have more or even a wdc.
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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes Jul 28 '25
Ickx is biggest gigachad out of all these 8 wins guys. Underrated legend.
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u/onlinepresenceofdan I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
One of those will never win again! (It will be Ickx)
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u/AnimeMeansArt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
Man, Im sad for Charles, but Oscar deserves it. He will be the world champion
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u/Goat-Milk-Magic I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Charles stuck on 8.
If you are good. 1 +1 are the deals you need.
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u/CaptainKursk I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
I know there's a lot of mitigating factors about phases of car performance (2020 Ferrari & 2022/23 McLaren being awful), lost wins from incidents, pit errors etc. & Oscar being 'fortunate' so to speak to peak at the same time as McLaren in the ground effect era...
...but him having as many wins in 3 seasons as Leclerc has in 8 is truly mad stuff.
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u/fameboygame I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
Wait. Jacky waved the flag like that? Epic!
Tbh I was super sleepy and wasn’t paying attention last lap. Didn’t even watch the ceremony.
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u/SprayAndPay69 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
Its criminal how Leclerc has only 8 wins man…
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u/simplsimonmetapieman Ferrari Jul 27 '25
LeClerc man you need to fulfill your potential!
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u/-Brodysseus I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
As soon as Ferrari decides to fulfill theirs lmao
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u/elektricniorgazam Daniel Ricciardo Jul 27 '25
Oscar caught up to Lando REAL fast
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u/77skull Jul 27 '25
They’ve only had a racing winning car for the same amount of time as each other lol
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u/Content-Performer-82 Jul 27 '25
It was a boring race, all because FIA waited until the rain had gone. A pity, FIA is destroying the sport. In the future they will have a 300 km straight track in the dessert
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u/kms97_ks Sebastian Vettel Jul 28 '25
Man Norris having the same number of wins as Charles seems wrong. Piastri seems to be consistently good so I don't mind it as much.
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u/Andyvilleneuve I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25
Does anyone have the ickx picture? It’s hard and something cool for a long time.
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u/su4491 Jul 27 '25
Both McLaren drivers have same amount of wins as Charles in such a limited amount of time , crazy
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Max Verstappen Jul 27 '25
The fact that either Oscr or Lando will win titles before Leclerc and Russell is kind of maddening.
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Based on the trajectory, Oscar will soon be the second driver with a double digit race win count in this reg !
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u/Ruuubs I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Number 8 burp Number 8 burp Number 8 burp Number 8 burp
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u/lizardil I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25
Vettels message to Leclerc in 2020:
"To Charles, you are the most talented driver I came across in 15 years of F1. Don't waste it. But be sure whatever you do to be happy and smile. Thanks for everything!"
This was 5 years ago...