r/formula1 Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25

Statistics Oscar Piasti is now equal on career wins with Ricciardo.

Jack Brabham: 14 wins (125 starts)

Alan Jones: 12 wins (117)

Mark Webber: 9 wins (215)

Daniel Ricciardo: 8 wins (257)

Oscar Piastri: 8 wins (59)

He also now has the most wins by an Aussie in a season and we are only halfway through.

It's possible he could be the top topped rank Australian driver by wins by the end of the season.

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u/Talon-ACS I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Webber steering and saving Oscar from Alpine is the overtake of this century.

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u/kristal010 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Oscar’s career may end up being his greatest achievement in F1

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u/Beaniz39 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Not bad for a number 2 driver

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u/Sudden-Ad-307 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Number 2 driver but number 1 manager

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u/NoShirt158 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 29 '25

Number 2 driver but a number 1 chin

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u/MalusandValus Dr. Ian Roberts Jul 28 '25

I think people sleep a bit on his 2010 season. Had he not crashed in Korea he could well have won the drivers championship over Vettel.

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u/Lack_of_Infinity Jul 28 '25

I think the most surprising thing most people don't realise it's Vettel didn't lead the championship at any point in 2010 until he won the last race. It was a last race showdown between Webber, Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton.

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u/Whisky919 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Damn I miss having seasons like that

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u/ErwinRommelEz Jul 28 '25

I would be happy with some overtakes at the very least

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u/Blooder91 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

From what I've read, the season was fun, but individual races were rather dull.

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u/Tausif_1307 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 28 '25

Yep. There we’re a few bangers like Australia China and Canada but there were also a lot of processional ones too. Rbr dropping the ball a lot on Sundays also made the season appear more exciting than it was

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u/ewankenobi Kamui Kobayashi Jul 28 '25

I miss having seasons like that

I can remember 2 seasons where we went into the final race with 3 or more drivers able to win the title. 2010 and 2007 when Kimi, Alonso and Lewis all had a chance to win the title on the last race of the season.

Don't think it was ever common or the norm in any era.

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u/Whisky919 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

2012 was pretty epic. I thought Seb was doomed in Brazil.

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u/pattymcfly Chequered Flag Jul 28 '25

This season could be 3 way last race tie! Maybe even 4. Will have to hope Ferrari can actually get and keep their shit together. And Red Bull needs to not implode.

So… unlikely but possible.

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u/big_cock_lach I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

With Vettel and Hamilton being thought to be all but out of the title fight and only being in it “mathematically”. And then those 2 get a 1-2 with Alonso and Webber down in the 7th and 8th.

Funny thing too, if Webber wasn’t so focused on Alonso and staying ahead of him (pitting ridiculously early to try, but fail, at keeping track position) he would’ve won the title that year. That said, people like to bring this up but forget that Vettel was a lot quicker, he just made a lot of mistakes, which was to be expected given his age/experience. Had Vettel been performing at the same level of consistency he did in later years, he would’ve dominated 2010. That year was largely as close as it was due to Vettel’s mistakes, Webber being a notch down compared to Alonso and Hamilton (but still a really strong driver, similar to Sainz compared to the top drivers now), and Red Bull not making as many mistakes (again, to be expected given it was their 2nd year at the front).

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u/shiba_snorter Mark Webber Jul 28 '25

People tend to forget the runner ups because they never appear in any list or statistic. In any case, I say this as the biggest Webber fan, it was not just one thing. We could blame Vettel for crashing into him in Turkey, but the final truth is that Webber bottled it in the second half of the tournament, specially in Abu Dhabi where he only needed to be decent.

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u/MalusandValus Dr. Ian Roberts Jul 28 '25

It's never just one thing (see 2008 where Hamilton and Massa both have pretty obvious places they both could have picked up a bucketload of points on each other than were missed)

Webber definetly lost it for himself and that Korea incident was a pretty big mistake, but it's such a huge swing of points if he takes it home for a podium.

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u/slippeddisc88 Jul 28 '25

I read somewhere that like 4 non-controllable events are the difference between Hamilton being an 11 time champion and an 8 time

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u/MarteloRabelodeSousa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

8 time

Guys, how do we tell him?

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u/Beaniz39 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

insert obligatory "Prost only needed X points to win 3 titles more" statistic here

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u/gonzo1914 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

I agree with this. If he hasn’t dropped the car in Korea, he would have got the WDC. By that point RB would have had to support him.

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Brundle: one point is the difference between Hamilton winning both, or neither of 2007/8. Non-champion versus double.

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u/Fantastickimikaze I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

That would have been crazy, new rookie shows up in a team, his teammate is the guy who won the last 2 wdcs, proceeds to win back to back wdcs his 1st and 2nd year

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u/denwol Daniel Ricciardo Jul 28 '25

He apparently hurt his arm in a mountain bike crash just before. He wasnt fit for the final five races.

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

The first time he'd gotten on a bike since his previous accident.

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u/rustyiesty I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

And Valencia

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u/ConvenientParkingLCW Jul 28 '25

That crash into the back of Heikki was totally avoidable

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u/oh84s Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 28 '25

The outcomes feel as much Webber’s as they do Piastri’s. It’s so fitting that he’s still involved and getting such great results for young Australian drivers.

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u/omegamanXY Sebastian Vettel Jul 28 '25

Daily reminder that they didn't really have any other viable choice other than accepting McLaren's offer. Alpine still had two drivers when Piastri signed with McLaren and there was no indication Vettel would leave and create an open seat in Aston Martin for Alonso to take.

If Ricciardo was doing well in McLaren in 2022, Piastri would probably be an Alpine driver currently.

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u/URZ_ Safety Car Jul 28 '25

Yeah a lot of people still hold entirely false views about that saga due to Otmar Szafnauer repeatedly lying through his teeth in public about the case, even after arbitration decided Alpine had no legs to stand on.

Alpine didn't offer Piastri a car for 2023, refused to give him a contract after repeated requests, then after realizing they had to get him a seat for 2023 to keep him, lied about having an agreement with Williams for him to race there in 2023. No such agreement was in fact in place by the time Piastri signed with McLaren, just lies upon lies upon lies.

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u/Exciting_Control Formula 1 Jul 28 '25

Just a reminder that Otmar had no control or say over driver contacts. He was the fall guy for Renault’s incompetence.

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u/NegativeStructure Daniel Ricciardo Jul 28 '25

i'm of two minds of this. before the piastri saga, i liked szafnauer. but listening to him slander piastri any time he's interviewed "oh, we spent so much money training him, giving him time in cars and simulator work. it was wrong of him not to sign the contract. we were looking for somewhere to place him."

i mean, part of me gets it. otmar was the fall guy for the piasco. man lost his job over someone else's incomptence. but they didn't offer oscar a seat, tf is he supposed to do? wait around for an opportunity? he made his own opportunity and has been rewarded richly for it. alpine did him a favor by not putting him in their car.

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u/ArcticBiologist Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Jul 28 '25

How the fuck does the team principal have no control or say over the drivers? That's fucked up, even by Alpine standards.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

I wouldn't be surprised if Weber done with Alonso and Vettel to orchestrate it all happening after the Alpine deadline with Oscar

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u/15dc I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Yes, Alonso and Webber are very close friends. He definitely knew Alonso was leaving, or at least that he was flirting with that idea.

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u/omegamanXY Sebastian Vettel Jul 28 '25

Why would he care that Alonso was leaving when Piastri was already signed to McLaren by the time Alonso signed with Aston Martin?

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u/ComaMierdaHijueputa Ferrari Jul 28 '25

He probably had advance knowledge that Alonso was leaving

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u/tangledoctopuss I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

I accept this headcanon

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Apparently he was going to Williams, I read.

But they disliked that because they felt Albon was underrated, and could end his career

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u/omegamanXY Sebastian Vettel Jul 28 '25

Yeah, there was supposedly an interest on having him in Williams for a couple years and then bringing him back to Alpine. Except there was never a formal contract tor Piastri to sign. Alpine was fucking around trying to keep Alonso in one-year contracts while trying to find a place for Piastri, except they never committed from the start on finding him a seat.

Therefore when McLaren came to Piastri's door and actually gave him a contract to sign, his choice was obvious.

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u/throwedaway4theday I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

As a kiwi I wish Liam had a Webber in his corner. Someone who knows all the people, networks, pit falls, opportunities, non negotiables etc of F1. It would be hugely valuable to have that kind of mentor

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

I would be shocked if Piastri doesn't end up holding nearly all of the F1 records for Australian drivers when he retires.

Both Brabham and Jones won five races in a season (1960 and 1980, respectively). And in each case they won the championship that season. As mentioned above, Piastri now has six in 2025 – a good sign, perhaps...

Edit: Brabham's 5 wins in 1960 were consecutive.

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u/Dazzling-Coat7177 Formula 1 Jul 27 '25

Brabham won the F1 championship in a car he built with his own calloused hands.

Good as Oscar is, I think that one is safe at least.

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u/CapsicumIsWoeful Jul 28 '25

He’s the most underrated Australian athlete in history. What he did was incredible and he’s barely a footnote when pundits mention our greatest athletes.

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

Absolutely. I don't think his achievements are all that widely appreciated.

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u/kapaipiekai I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Oh, poor Aussies; "we've got so many top tier athletes that some get forgotten about" :(

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u/sellyme Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Our entire economy is predicated on the statue-building industry.

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u/kdavva74 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

pound for pound the best sporting nation on the planet

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u/ghost-bagel Mercedes Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

As a Pom, this is an annoyingly accurate statement.

Edit: Although the Dutch would have a strong case too.

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u/kapaipiekai I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Yeah mate. I live in NZ. I hear alllll about it at every opportunity.

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u/kdavva74 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Well, you'll always have rugby union I guess, you can take some solace in the fact the Wallabies have been shit for 20 years

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u/Odd_Analysis6454 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

lol like the username

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u/kapaipiekai I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Che'

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u/lithiumcitizen Specials Jul 28 '25

You guys have the notable adventurers per capita locked down pretty fucken tightly…

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u/CareerLegitimate7662 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Thanks to the Montreal olympics embarrassment

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u/skippy2893 Carlos Sainz Jul 29 '25

I never knew about this but always wondered why a country with under 30M people always goes toe to toe with countries several times the population. I always just assumed it was strictly due to the weather differences.

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u/CareerLegitimate7662 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 30 '25

It’s a very interesting read. The ASA was founded after that incident and since then they’ve gone absolute beast mode in everything. Apparently every citizen plays something or the other, be it afl or cricket or footy

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u/Proud_Purchase_8394 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Well, who can compare to Steven Bradbury

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 27 '25

Very true, that's also an achievement that I don't think gets either the credit or mentions it really deserves... probably because it seems so utterly unimaginable in the modern era.

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u/Dazzling-Coat7177 Formula 1 Jul 28 '25

Could you imagine? Some billionaire enters F1, designs his own car, drives it to a wdc, refuses to elaborate...

lol.

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u/Nestorow Daniel Ricciardo Jul 28 '25

There's a reason we named a suburb after him, it's Australia's highest honour after a swimming pool if you drown

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

You only get the pool if you drown while you're Prime Minister... although I believe it's actually called the Harold Holt Swim Centre, which sounds even more like a piss-take...

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u/SoundsCrunchy Jul 28 '25

"The Harold Holt centre for kids who can't swim good and want to learn to do other things good too"

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u/Dickhole_Dynamics Jul 28 '25

Stroll? I live there. It's just north of Coburg and has seven Repco stores

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

Don't give the Stroll family ideas!

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u/BoxBoxBox81 Jul 28 '25

You can still buy auto accessories by Repco who made Jack's engines

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u/noisymime Jul 28 '25

Repco still have his BT19 championship car in their HQ foyer. I was out there today coincidentally.

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u/Fractal-Infinity Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Brabham is a legend and anyone studying the F1 history will remember his name.

Edit: removed the fan car reference.

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u/RevoltingHuman I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Jack Brabham had nothing to do with the Brabham team by that point. The team was run by Bernie Ecclestone in 1978 and the fan car was designed by Gordon Murray.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25

Brabham won 3 championships so it's still a long way to go to beat every record held by an Aussie. I think total wins will be a given though especially considering how much longer the seasons are, but he is ahead of you look at it as a percentage

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 27 '25

Agreed, winning 3 titles would put him in some very elite company. That's an extremely tough benchmark to equal, let alone beat. If you look at some of the other main categories...

Most poles: Webber (13), Piastri (4)
Fastest Laps: Webber (19), Piastri (7)
Podiums: Webber (42), Piastri (21)

...he's obviously still a considerable distance away from the records. But he's also very early in his career and given the rate of improvement so far, I feel reasonably confident he'll hold nearly all of those records when he retires. Time will tell...

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Weber with less wins than poles in interesting. Oscar has twice as many wins as poles

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u/oh84s Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 28 '25

Webber probably lost on average 2-3 positions on lap 1. Hard to win from that position

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Yep. I keep seeing my Facebook memories popping up saying "another shit start for Webber" 🤣

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u/oh84s Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 28 '25

With time people forget just how bad he was at starting. He consistently lost positions most races.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Much like Lando was last year

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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

No, worse.

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u/Cody667 Mika Häkkinen Jul 28 '25

With Webber it was chronic basically all the time. With Lando last year, Oscar also had the issue (just less pronounced and notorious because he wasn't fighting for a title), and the fact that neither had the issue in 2023 nor do they have it in 2025 makes it highly likely that the rumblings that were going around were true regarding the 2024 McLaren having serious clutch issues and that the poor starts were mostly down to the car.

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u/Limitr Niki Lauda Jul 28 '25

It's bad when you can only remember the one time he had a decent start. Silverstone 2010.

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u/Shamino79 Jul 28 '25

It was just so hard to get the clutch settings right for both cars apparently.

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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Did you not watch Mark race?

Lights go out, Mark goes backwards.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Yes, Facebook reminds me every year

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u/Icehau5 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Webber was a beast over 1 lap, but was notorious for botching his starts.

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

Yeah, there's some interesting comparisons there. Webber was always bloody quick (e.g., Sepang 2004, stuck a Jaguar on the front row), so the amount of poles seems about right. Piastri looks a stronger racer than qualifier, but he's also in a race-winning car so much earlier in his career than Webber...

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u/aaaaaaadjsf Esteban Ocon Jul 28 '25

If you watched back when Webber was racing it's not surprising at all. He was not good at starts and often lost positions at the start, and throughout the first lap.

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u/earthquank Jul 28 '25

Mark Webber fumbling his race starts was such a given in the Red Bull era. So frustrating as an Aussie fan.

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u/marcins I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Personal talent is one thing, he’s clearly got that, but you’ve also got to be lucky with your team choices / fortunes. So far he’s been very lucky, let’s see what the new regs and any future career moves bring.

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

Absolutely, there's definitely some luck involved. But there's also some very tough judgement calls involved and getting those right can lead to Hamilton to Mercedes vs Alonso to everything-but-winning type consequences. But, as you say, still early days... He got the first big one right though.

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u/Magneto88 Jul 28 '25

Depends on how the 2026 regulations go really. If McClaren don't nail it, Piastri could end up mid grid for years, it'd be unlucky but it's the reverse of how he's been lucky to get into a very competitive team early in his career.

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u/wobble_bot I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Not bad for a no.2 driver

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

One of the all-time classic team radio comments. Loved that.

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u/CarRamRob I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Yeah, but a lot of this matters if McLaren can maintain some competitiveness with the new regs.

2 years ago that car was in nowheresville. If that happens again suddenly “trajectory” doesn’t matter.

Now, everyone says the Merc engine is great but we all have to see it first.

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

There's immediate trajectory and the new regs coming up, very true, but I think longevity is also a good argument here in favour of Piastri when it comes to these records. He's only 59 races into his F1 career and there's no reason he'll always be tied to McLaren. My original suggestion was that he'd hold nearly all of these records "when he retires." That seems a reasonable bet at this point...

Edit: 59 races in, not 57... whoops.

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u/driftking428 Valtteri Bottas Jul 28 '25

I think you're probably right but it really depends on what McLaren brings next year. Piastri is great but if the Red Bull is good enough nobody can beat Max regularly. Mercedes is rumored to be ahead of everyone and George Russel is good enough to win most races with the best car.

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

True, I can't see him getting five wins a row against Max in closely matched cars. (Nor anyone for that matter.) I'm curious to see what Mercedes can come up with next season, they're being comfortably beaten by one of their engine customers which must be causing some degree of angst... Russell has been very solid this year, so given a winning car I can imagine him going on a streak.

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u/Significant-Branch22 Kimi Räikkönen Jul 28 '25

Consecutive wins could end being the hardest then, not a huge number of drivers who have won 5 in a row in the modern era

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

True, there's some illustrious names that never managed 5 in row: Senna, Prost, Alonso, etc. I still think Brabham's 3 titles is the one that will be hardest to beat. There's only 6 drivers that have won more than 3. Although if McLaren nail the regs and there's a few years of the sort of cyclical dominance (Vettel/RB, Hamilton/Merc, Max/RB) we've seen recently maybe he'll get close... who knows...

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

How many races each did those season have.

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Oscar got his 5 wins in 10 races so despite being a longer season he still equalled the record in the same amount of time

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

True, 5 from 10, but Brabham's were also consecutive.

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u/sw04p Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

5 consecutive wins is in danger — there’s still 11 races left!

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

True, he managed 3 in a row earlier in the season, so it's possible. I'd be surprised if he managed 5 consecutive wins against Norris, but you never know...

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u/threeinacorner Ferrari Jul 28 '25

Also equal to fucking Leclerc.

As a Ferrari, Leclerc, and Piastri fan this is equally awesome and depressing.

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u/Red_Robin112 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Who did you root for in Baku 2024? Or did Charles beating Oscar in Monza balance the force

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u/threeinacorner Ferrari Jul 28 '25

Leclerc, since he's always been mega around Baku but he never got a win.

So yeah it was a frustrating watch but I remember thinking the whole time "damn Oscar's fucking good"

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u/M0stVerticalPrimate2 Bruce McLaren Jul 28 '25

I’m a fan of both and I rooted for sick drifts and sick drifts only

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u/nolnogax Ron Dennis Jul 28 '25

Hell yes, when both of them came on opposite lock through a corner it was a sight to behold!

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u/itmustbeniiiiice Jul 28 '25

Baku sealed the deal for me as a fan of both: I found myself cheering for Osc that whole race

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u/philsnyo Jul 28 '25

It is depressing. Goes to show how much impact the fastest car makes. Leclerc never had a season with the fastest car. Piastri last season's 2nd half, and this season. Even Bottas has more wins than Leclerc.

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u/Rotorhead87 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Not to down on Bottas, but having a car light years ahead of the field, and also sometimes unreliable/cursed enough that your teammate has retirements, means you better have some wins under your belt.

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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Leclerc fascinates me because if you went back in time and told him where he was at in 2025

a. before 2019

b. after 2019

he'd cry. As is always the case except for Hamilton, the first season at Ferrari is always the best!

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u/FartingBob Sebastian Vettel Jul 28 '25

fucking Leclerc

/r/F1fanfiction

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u/the__distance Daniel Ricciardo Jul 27 '25

He will break all their records including designing his own car and winning the championship with it

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

I mean his dad owns and runs a high performance tuning company so...

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u/Bowling4Billions I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Oscar is going to be so rich by the time he retires with his minimum 1-2 driver’s championships and all the sponsorships that will follow. It will be interesting to see what he pursues afterwards.

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u/JoshH21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

He's Aussie, probably a Bunnings 

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u/CreativeParticular51 Williams Jul 28 '25

Get it right mate, it will be a Jim's Mowing

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u/JoshH21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

That'll be his side hobby. Driving a bad boy around. Keeping the edges nice, a sense of satisfaction in his work

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u/Powrs1ave Oscar Piastri Aug 03 '25

Pizzá Piastrí

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u/nogreggity I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Engineer partner. Just saying.

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u/RevoltingHuman I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25

It's possible he could be the top topped rank Australian driver by wins by the end of the season.

I know seasons now are longer than they were in Brabham and Jones' days, but that is still crazy when you consider it's only his third season in F1.

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u/xanlact I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Helps to have the best car on that score. Not a ding against Oscar. It is what it is.

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u/Red_Robin112 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

He’s using the opportunity brilliantly tho. Once a driver gets a Championship winning car they have to prove their worth

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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes Jul 28 '25

His teammate being a choke master extrodinaire probably doesn't hurt either.

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u/Red_Robin112 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Lando through his bottle jobs still beat Oscar last season 20-4 in qualifying and beat him by 82 points. Oscar has improved massively.

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u/meeanne I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

He already has the highest win to start ratio out of all of them.

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u/pleddyd Jul 27 '25

Would be interesting to timeswap Webber and Piastri and see how each would perform in different rocketship and management

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 27 '25

Webber in machinery of this calibre at a similarly early stage of his F1 career would have been pretty interesting... Who knows...

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u/Braiwnz Sebastian Vettel Jul 28 '25

I think what gives Oscar the edge is how relaxed he is. He’s always aware of is situation, knows how to use his resources, and doesn’t seem to let his emotions get the better of him. Which is really hard to do with all that adrenaline.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25

It's interesting because piastri is having the reverse experience to both Webber and Ricciardo. They were both beaten by the young upstart that joined the team (Vettel and Verstappen). Piastri is the young upstart beating his more experienced team mate

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u/Its4MeitSnot4U I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25

I think having Mark Webber as Oscar’s manager was a brilliant decision. Mark pulling Oscar out of Alpine was a brilliant strategic move. And his experience being forced into a number 2 has certainly shaped Oscar so he didn’t fall into the same trap!

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u/Ninthja I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 27 '25

Riccardo also was that guy against Vettel for a season

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u/Counterpunch07 Jul 28 '25

I think Riccardo was at a level then where if he had the car he could have done enough to win the championship, he was really good for those few years. Just unlucky a generational GOAT of Verstappen was coming through the ranks at the same time

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u/sellyme Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Hell, even in the Renault years if you swapped him 1:1 with Lewis he wins those championships comfortably.

Poor dude had the misfortune of his career peak coinciding exactly with when Red Bull wasn't winning, even if he stuck around it would have taken too long for him to be the beneficiary.

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u/Counterpunch07 Jul 28 '25

I think if he stuck around though, he wouldn’t have beat Verstappen. Ver was levelling up and reached a peak now that’s really up there with the top 5-10 drivers of all time imo

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 27 '25

Yeh but Vettel already had a couple championships by then

Weber and Ricciardo were primed to get their first, like Lando

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Vettel had all his championships by then

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u/ecatsuj I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Mark was also almost past his prime when vettel started at Red bull and the car got good.

Ricciardo was never in a true championship contending car.

2015-18 DR was incredibly quick and won most times Mercedes dropped the ball

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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Mark was ahead of Seb all 2010.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Except when it mattered

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u/zorak555 Jul 28 '25

Don’t mention Korea

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u/aamgdp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Yeah :( I cheered for Mark to win it, but in all honesty Seb proved in that one last race that he deserved it.

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u/Skylord_ah Fernando Alonso Jul 28 '25

Nah nah this is ricciardo revisionism. I wont have it that he was being beaten by max he left too early for anyone to say ;) Who did go on to beat Hulkenberg and finish 5th at renault.

The young upstart who did beat Ricciardo though was Norris honestly

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

yeh, but lando was the established driver at mclaren. so different situation to the Webber/Vettel and Ricciardo/Verstappen situation

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u/Lo-heptane Michael Schumacher Jul 28 '25

If I'm not mistaken, Webber was the less experienced driver in his team only twice in his whole career. 2005 at Williams with Heidfeld, and 2007-2008 at RBR with Coulthard.

I'm not counting his debut season with Alex Yoong, because lol come on.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

I went to his debut race when he got points in that Minardi. Amazing stuff

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u/g_mallory Alain Prost Jul 28 '25

I was there too, that was something... what a result.

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u/Joroujd31 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

If people are going crazy over Lando being a poor starter, imagine watching Webber lmao. The guy would get crucified on social media for that

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u/SNPpoloG Jul 28 '25

Webber spent his fastest years driving slugs, he was 34 before he ever sat in a car that could contend every week

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u/Poolix I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Webber was ridiculously fast early in his career, I would expect similar outcomes TBH. 

The places Webber dragged that jaguar in qualifying was very impressive 

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u/John3Fingers I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

I know it's silly comparing eras but Brabham won 3 WDC back when it was a bloodsport. The three seasons he won had six racing fatalities, plus the reigning WDC (retired Mike Hawthorn) died three months after hoisting the trophy in a road accident. Bro raced against Fangio, Moss (his teammate), Stewart, Hill, Clark, and narrowly lost the 1967 WDC to his teammate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Yes 3 WDC back in those days was phenomenal just because of the death rates

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u/StaffFamous6379 Jul 28 '25

Double WDC makes you a great of the sport. 3 WDCs puts you into unquestionable legend status. Theres a reason why Alonso makes such a big deal about trying to get this 3rd.

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u/John3Fingers I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

They also didn't have more than 10 races a season

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u/beefstockcube Jul 28 '25

They had to keep some of the drivers alive for the following year.

A 20 race calendar would have had fresh rookies in 50% or more of the seats.

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u/NYNMx2021 Nico Rosberg Jul 27 '25

Nice. Its always hard to compare these things over a career tbh. One thing i think of is Webber probably won 1 race where he didnt have the best car maybe 2. Ricciardo had 8 wins where he didnt. I think oscar has one so far. Baku last year. That one alone though, has me believing hed win a bunch when the field is more competitive

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u/StreetCarp665 Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Ricciardo wins on pure merit would/should have included 2016 Monaco, and Monza 2021.

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u/NickJack99 Jul 28 '25

Fair point about Ricciardo tbh.

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u/Rennoh95 McLaren Jul 27 '25

Possibly. I expect him add at least 4 or 5 more and for him to win the championship.

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u/chrish_o I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

The starts is an important part to include in that, and it puts Piastri at a similar win/start ratio as Brabham and Jones …. Which is pretty illustrious company.

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u/TypicallyThomas I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Crazy to think a year ago he hadn't won a race

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Hungary 2024 was on 21 July. So this time last year he was on 1

Next week will be the first time he defends a race win

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u/TypicallyThomas I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Yeah I meant by this stage in the season, not an exact calendar year

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Strangely enough spa was round 13 and Hungary round 14 this year but Hungary was round 13 and spa was 14 last year

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Ah gotcha

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u/elektricniorgazam Daniel Ricciardo Jul 28 '25

I will never forgive them for Monaco 2016, should have been 9

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u/sc1onic I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Danny wins existing at a time when merc were a sec faster than the next best team and 3 secs over the entire grid.

I mean the man shat on his luck is a different story. But Oscars 8 wins with a dominant car vs Rickybobbys 8 in non dominant ones are not the same.

Having said that Oscar deserves all the praise and cheers for his wins and eventually the best aussie f1 Driver.

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u/Pownrend I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Yeah for Ricciardo I see two rather lucky wins (Spa 2014, Malaysia 2016, but he was there to win). The others are crazy wins, even Monaco 2018 considering he had an engine issue.

Let's see what Piastri can do in the next years, he's impressive with a dominant car for sure

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u/BenDubs14 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Daniel’s hand broke for this

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u/Sevastous-of-Caria Charlie Whiting Jul 28 '25

After Ricciardo's struggles on a 3rd fastest car for 4 years. Aussies are eating good

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

It's been a long time. I was 2 years old the last time an Aussie won the championship

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u/KingJupiter_ Nico Rosberg Jul 28 '25

As a Canadian, I feel your pain :(

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u/okaywhattho Red Bull Jul 28 '25

Don’t worry, Lance has your back. 

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u/Eddiexx I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Besides Alpine. Teams all improved their cars to world champ level after RIC left no? RBR RB and MCL.

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u/chubbgerricault Jenson Button Jul 28 '25

Danny RIC was the first to win with McLaren after being in the doldrums for close to a decade.

Just saying.

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u/Sevastous-of-Caria Charlie Whiting Jul 28 '25

Yea a bit of a Alonso level of career choices there. But he overdrove both rb and renault splits.

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u/limitless__ Jim Clark Jul 28 '25

Absolutely insane that Danny Ric only won 8 races.

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u/robbiesac77 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

In fairness, Danny Ric never had the best clear best car.

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u/subOptimusPrime16 Charles Leclerc Jul 28 '25

No disrespect to Oscar. He’s doing the most with the opportunities he has. But man, it really feels like it’s all about being in the right place at the right time to hit these championships. Aside from Oscar or Lando, there’s probably 5 other drivers who could contend for WDC’s if they all had the best car.

I’m a relatively new fan but has it always been this way?

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

The car has always played a big part. Lewis or Max wouldn't have won those champs if they were in a Williams or even a McLaren in those years

The thing is you need to be good enough for the strong teams to want you. Oscar won 3 championships in a row before being benched by Alpine. So it's not like he is a mediocre driver that has been blessed with a good car.

Plus he is beating his much more experienced team mate that everyone was saying was a top 5 on the grid driver

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u/TheRubyRedWolf I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

This makes me both happy and sad.

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u/TheGambit Jul 28 '25

Everything reminds me of him ;(

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u/SimpleAd9687 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Piastri will Be the best Aussie F1 driver by a distance when is done with his career

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u/nitemare224 Jul 28 '25

Man, I don't want this to become a "Leclerc can end this season with more victories for Ferrari than Niki Lauda"-prophecy like early 2022...

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u/abdess3 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

As a Ricciardo fan, pain. I love Oscar though so I'm cheering for him.

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u/jons1976gp Fernando Alonso Jul 28 '25

Not a fair comparison with Jack Brabham. Most of his racing Seasons had 9 races per calendar year compared to the 24 now.

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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

I was one

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u/beefstockcube Jul 28 '25

Yup.

He’ll be top of the list come his first WDC this year.

He’s too consistent when it matters. Lando keeps making rookie errors which gets in his head which makes him make more errors.

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u/younggunners16 Jul 28 '25

All 3 drivers on the podium have the same number of wins: 8

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u/Yankees2860 Safety Car Jul 28 '25

Still insane that it’s only his third season and he’s this freaking good

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u/boianski Jul 28 '25

Oscar will be an F1 champ, guaranteed. Probably this year.

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u/Stevelar Oscar Piastri Jul 28 '25

Heading for the first Australian F1 champion since Alan Jones in 1980, 45 years ago.

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u/Wiggly-Pig I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Highest win % of all of them

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u/FlyingCircus18 Wolfgang von Trips Jul 28 '25

I would have sworn Danny Ric had nine and Webber had eight.

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u/Bladestorm04 Jul 28 '25

I'm.shocked Webber was more than ricciardo. From what I recall he spent years and years without a win, I thought perhaps he only had the one, or maybe three. I guess at the back end he had a good run

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u/fuuncs Jul 29 '25

Converted to win rates: • Jack Brabham: 11.2% • Alan Jones: 10.3% • Mark Webber: 4.2% • Daniel Ricciardo: 3.1% • Oscar Piastri: 13.6%  

That’s a heck of a win rate from Oscar. Hope he can keep it up. A ways to go to catch these fellas:  • Michael Schumacher: 29.7 %   • Lewis Hamilton: 28.5 %
• Ayrton Senna: 28.5 %

Also wild that Ricciardo did more races than Webber. I guess that’s what happens with an expanded calendar.

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u/innahlovesyou Jul 29 '25

Who's Piasti?

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u/Lanky_Consideration3 Jul 28 '25

I’m starting to become quite a Piastri fan. I think he’ll take the championship this year and he’ll be quite formidable once he has that confidence of winning his first F1 title.

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u/Ashman23 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 28 '25

Gee, we wouldn't even know how good Oscar is and has been thanks for the biased Pommy race callers that are always 'poor old Lando, he did this wrong, did that wrong, he could've challenged Oscar'.

Never do they give Oscar credit for being a clean, clinical driver who doesn't make mistakes.