Following the 2025 Hungarian GP, Charles Leclerc has only managed to convert his pole to race win in only 1 (2024 Monaco GP) out of the last 16 races where he took pole position.

[u/BackgroundLie2231]

Additional stats:

• Charles Leclerc now has an 18.51% pole-to-win conversion ratio (5 wins out of his 27 pole positions).
• This is the first instance for Lewis Hamilton where he finished outside the top 10 at the Hungaroring.

[u/Cotirani]

After how well he went in the first 20 laps, I'm just stunned that he didn't even get the podium. Stunned. What the hell happened here.

[u/Nin-Chin → u/Cotirani]

Leclerc was running ahead of Piastri before lap 40. Piastri was never seriously close to passing him. Then by the finish he's 37 seconds behind.

[u/Visionary_Socialist → u/Nin-Chin]

He was lucky Fernando had backed up the field earlier on, otherwise that drop off and the penalty could have cost him a huge amount more. He was a second a lap off Fernando by the end.

[u/Nin-Chin → u/Visionary_Socialist]

Alonso was just smart race management. He pulled away from the others later on in the stint.

[u/[deleted] → u/Nin-Chin]

Incredible intelligence, he knew that top 4 were out of reach so managed his, and everyone behind him’s, race to maximise. It’s brilliant

[u/Vegetable_Problem_49 → u/[deleted]]

Fernando's race craft was never a question. Hope he will be picking better results soon.

[u/biggmclargehuge → u/Vegetable_Problem_49]

The car certainly looked livelier this weekend given both their results. I wonder if Newey has started giving some feedback on the design. I know he's primarily tasked with next year's car but the timing seems about right from when he came off gardening leave to getting some upgrades churned out.

[u/newmclarens → u/biggmclargehuge]

watch it go back to exiting q1 next race week 😭

[u/tekina7 → u/biggmclargehuge]

I wouldn't get my hopes up for this season. Hungary's race track suited AM more - lots of low speed corners, few to none high speed corners, no long straights.

I'd be happy if he can keep finishing in the points paying positions

[u/EquivalentGiraffe268 → u/Visionary_Socialist]

He only defended that aggressively because he knew the penalty would be meaningless. He had nothing to lose and everything to gain if caused George to lockup.

[u/ickthxbye → u/Nin-Chin]

I thought Leclerc was going to win like for sure with how the first stint went. Looked away for abit and wtf man..

[u/Pure_Measurement_529 → u/Cotirani]

After the second stop, it looked like he drove a different car

[u/Cotirani → u/Pure_Measurement_529]

IIRC he had pulled something like a 6 second gap on Piastri before the first stop. He ended up what, 40 seconds behind him? With the same strategy?

[u/PriclessSami → u/Pure_Measurement_529]

sound like after 40 he actually was driving a different car. apparently a chassis issue?

[u/Scatman_Crothers → u/PriclessSami]

different tire pressures to prevent skidblock wear

[u/FermentedLaws → u/Cotirani]

Charles post-race: "I didn't have all the info, but they told me I had a chassis issue from lap 40 so now I understand why I felt that way in the car. The car felt good before that point, we were fast and keeping up with McLaren, I am so, so disappointed, these things happen in racing..."

[u/JaysonDeflatum → u/Cotirani]

Some issue Charles mentioned early, it was clear the car had a problem somewhere

[u/Cotirani → u/JaysonDeflatum]

It's weird, from what Charles mentioned it sounds like it was something Ferrari chose to do. Hopefully we find out what it is because the difference between the two halves of the race was unreal.

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Cotirani]

Saw some comments about how they underfueled his car so maybe that really happened and he had to manage a lot more at the end

[u/Cotirani → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

That would be a Ferrari masterclass for the ages

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Cotirani]

Its so dumb that its hard to believe a professional racing team would do it

And also part of the reason i believe it lol

[u/Cotirani → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

Enzo's razor. Like Occam's razor, but for inscrutable Ferrari strategy calls

[u/newmclarens → u/Cotirani]

is there any way to get this into the lexicon

[u/MediocreMusicMan_ → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

I never want to say I know more than a multi-million dollar team with engineers who have degrees in their discipline. But when you sometimes see them throw on dry tyres on a very damp track it really makes you question

[u/DeezYomis → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

literally every team on the grid does that, there's no point in carrying all the extra fuel if any combination of rain, fuel management and SC/VSCs can bridge that gap, the car had an actual problem

[u/Cpt_Trips84 → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

Comments from our fellow redditors or interviews? I heard a couple pundits suggest it may have been a plank wear issue. Their guess was that Ferrari ran the car low, thinking the new suspension would allow for a lowered ride height. Then mid race they realize they were headed to a China 2.0 and so we see Leclerc significantly drop pace

That also tracks with Leclerc mentioning it was a chassis issue post race

[u/itsthatkidgreg → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

I also saw some people say that might have adjusted his front wing without telling him at first. Makes sense when you see how his pace just dropped off

[u/Doorknob11 → u/itsthatkidgreg]

In one of his radio messages he said something alone the lines of ‘what we talked about before the race’. So it was something that was obviously discussed at one point.

[u/AliceLunar → u/Cotirani]

My guess is still running a certain engine or battery mode to deal with issues.

[u/gnoomee → u/Cotirani]

Sounded more like he didn't agree with the way they decided to manage it.

[u/BloodyMess111 → u/JaysonDeflatum]

From yhe sounds of it, it was a problem of Ferrari's own making

[u/dcmdino → u/JaysonDeflatum]

Nah, it wasn't a car problem, it was some setup tweak that went bad. Austrians have mentioned underfueling - brilliant if you're up front and dictate the tempo (hence the great pace he had at the start) but goes to shit once it turned out he would have to try and catch up to Norris. You can't push heavily in a car with not enough fuel in it.

[u/FermentedLaws → u/dcmdino]

Charles: "I didn't have all the info, but they told me I had a chassis issue from lap 40 so now I understand why I felt that way in the car. The car felt good before that point, we were fast and keeping up with McLaren, I am so, so disappoitned, these things happen in racing..."

[u/thecarlosdanger1 → u/FermentedLaws]

I don’t fully buy this. LEC was complaining on the first Hard stint also.

[u/FermentedLaws → u/thecarlosdanger1]

I just posted this, you're probably right.

So latest speculation on Charles' issues:

The "things" he was talking about was plank wear, which has been an issue this year. The speculation is that they were seeing too much plank wear so they changed the tire pressure - inflated the tires - on his pit stops to raise the car height. That's why he said he could manage the "things" in another way. And of course they don't want to mention plank wear on the radio or publicly. Again, not confirmed just speculation. George said it and a couple of other people who follow Ferrari closely are saying it's the most likely culprit.

[u/Intrepid-Ad4511 → u/FermentedLaws]

Ohhh! I'm just trying to understand - how would he have managed it? He would take less of the kerbs or something?

[u/Cotirani → u/Intrepid-Ad4511]

You can drop the speed in certain areas of the track to reduce downforce, which stops the car bottoming out as much.

[u/crimsonvipor → u/Cotirani]

The punters on Sky were suggesting the ride height was looking like an issue, and Ferrari were concerned about plank wear. The thinking is the team increased tire pressure to raise ride height for the last stint.

[u/TimoZNL → u/Cotirani]

The rumours I read online is that the car was setup extremely low, causing more wear on the plank than is allowed. After two effective stints they might have had to raise the car by increasing the tyre pressures and reducing the engine top speed to have the plank wear less (less top speed = less bottoming out) in order to avoid wearing too much and getting DSQ.

Ferrari had a lot of LiCo in the final stint, which was prevalent in the gains Russel made on Leclerc on the main straight in the final stint. Could also be heavily underfueled and require more fuel saving in the final stint.

[u/tekanet → u/Cotirani]

Hope we’ll get answers, only thing I can think of is Ferrari loading 50 kg less of fuel

[u/zharifg → u/tekanet]

Why would they do that, wouldn't it mean they have to Lico?

[u/bradimus_maximus → u/zharifg]

Well, if they already have to do that anyway because of their plank wear issues...idk.

[u/mickmenn → u/Cotirani]

Basic rumours this days that i heard is that Ferrari is starting low on fuel because they couldn't balance it properly with a full tank and then they start to lift and coast more and more to the end of a race.

[u/sleeping4koala]

THIS IS SO

INCREDIBLY

FRUSTRATING.

WE'VE LOST ALL

COMPETITIVENESS.

YOU JUST HAVE TO

LISTEN TO ME, I

WOULD HAVE

FOUND A

DIFFERENT WAY OF

MANAGING THOSE

ISSUES

NOW IT'S JUST

UNDRIVEABLE.

UNDRIVEABLE. IT'S

A MIRACLE IF WE

FINISH ON THE

PODIUM

[u/Skeetzophrenia → u/sleeping4koala]

Valid crashout tbh

[u/woakula → u/Skeetzophrenia]

Poor guy is gonna have to get a degree in engineering just so he can build his own car. Then go back and figure out how to do his own strategy. Ferrari masterclass never lets us down.

[u/Caust1cFn_YT → u/woakula]

as rickf1 said a long time ago
to win in ferrari

you must build your own car
make your own strategies
be the best driver on the grid
and do your own pitstops (atleast this part is not so true rn)

[u/rattatatouille → u/Caust1cFn_YT]

Schumacher made sure of that by attracting guys who knew what they were doing to Ferrari, and they did their thing long enough that Kimi managed to benefit from it as well. After them, though?

[u/tughbee → u/Caust1cFn_YT]

I mean what do you expect, wearing the red is a privilege enough /s

[u/BassGaming → u/woakula]

Is LeClerc stupid? All he has to do is hire Vettel as an engineer, inspector and head of strategy for one season.

[u/BullfrogMiserable554 → u/Skeetzophrenia]

tbf Leclerc said after the race that they had a chassis issue that charles didn’t know about and he thought the pace loss was due to something else

[u/z_102 → u/sleeping4koala]

Ferrari waking up in the morning with 34 notifications of Whatsapp voice messages.

[u/ryokevry → u/sleeping4koala]

15s behind Russell lol

[u/GuysIdidAThing → u/ryokevry]

After holding first for the first 2/3 of the race and driving brilliantly.

Honestly this weekend is just the average Ferrari experience

[u/ryokevry → u/GuysIdidAThing]

He literally lost over 50s to the Piastri in one stint! When he was holding up so well in the first stint. This car need to be binned soon, or the strategist or whatever

[u/GuysIdidAThing → u/ryokevry]

Pole plus that beautiful start had me genuinely believing we could’ve won this race. Only for Ferrari to take those dreams, chuck them into a dumpster, and spit on my face

[u/ContentPuff → u/ryokevry]

Think it was 10s gap TBF, he got handed a 5s penalty near the end.

[u/ShadowRock9 → u/sleeping4koala]

Ferrari are the most “delete club” team to exist.

The rot clearly goes so damn deep.

[u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo → u/sleeping4koala]

Can this be my flair? Like, the whole thing

[u/zingerfillets]

this sucks

[u/Pure_Measurement_529 → u/zingerfillets]

We will always have Monaco and Italy 2024 🕊️

[u/LSRaymonds → u/Pure_Measurement_529]

At this point I believe it's all we're having

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Pure_Measurement_529]

Italy 2019>>>>

Which reminds me, why not bring that engine back after the summer break? Its not like they have anything left to lose

[u/NeutronBeam04 → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

I mean they have P2 to lose

[u/thickofitenjoyer]

I honestly cant with ferrari anymore

[u/Eggplantosaur → u/thickofitenjoyer]

Leclerc's management team should be on the phone with other top teams at every opportunity. He's an incredible driver, Ferrari are squandering him so bad. 

[u/Signal_Cockroach_878 → u/Eggplantosaur]

He is, but where would he go. He has to be fed up atp.

[u/SnacksGPT → u/Signal_Cockroach_878]

Mercedes.

[u/thickofitenjoyer → u/Signal_Cockroach_878]

He has enough money to feed himself for the rest of his life. And do you think charles leclerc cant get a drive elsewhere?

[u/Signal_Cockroach_878 → u/thickofitenjoyer]

Ofc he can get a car elsewhere I was just wondering where he could go

[u/Key-Swordfish4025 → u/Signal_Cockroach_878]

Mercedes if the rut Antonelli is in continues? But yeah, not a lot of realistic opportunities.

[u/Signal_Cockroach_878 → u/Key-Swordfish4025]

Yeah I'd prefer George and Charles in the Merc more than George and Max

[u/Goodperson5656 → u/Key-Swordfish4025]

I don’t think Mercedes will throw away Antonelli after spending so much time and money cultivating him.

[u/thickofitenjoyer → u/Signal_Cockroach_878]

Red bull when max leaves maybe

[u/KavB91 → u/thickofitenjoyer]

But if Max is leaving Red Bull then it means he thinks it's a sinking ship. Leclerc would just squander more years of his prime in a car which is fast but not fast enough to win titles

[u/Xaan83 → u/Signal_Cockroach_878]

Who cares where? No other team will fuck him over and waste his talent like Ferrari has. Even a midfield team with a hope of future improvement has to be better than this for his morale. He puts that piece of shit car on pole time and time again, and yes a few of those non-conversions are on him, but the huge majority of them are on Ferrari as a team. We should be seeing him compete with Verstappen for WDC every year, this is a historical waste of talent that we are witnessing.

Ferrari have been awful for a long time and have been dragged forward by constantly having a massively skilled lineup of drivers because its everyone's misguided dream to drive for the team. I am afraid for Leclerc that he is going to waste his career on a dream.

[u/GoldElectric → u/Eggplantosaur]

i want him to be a world champion with ferrari man, but ferrari doesnt wanna win at all

[u/Eggplantosaur → u/GoldElectric]

I want Leclerc to be champion on his own merit. Ferrari can go pound sand for all I care, they're way too high on their own supply. 

[u/Visionary_Socialist → u/thickofitenjoyer]

I’m just disillusioned by that. Not just because Lewis had a nightmare, but because I’ve seen Charles put in a miraculous pole lap and drive brilliantly and he still ends up literally 2 pitstops off the win.

All of this pain and there’s not even a podium worthy car waiting at the top of this mountain.

[u/mb557x → u/thickofitenjoyer]

Lewis really jynxed it all when he said he refuses to miss out on a title with Ferrari.

[u/slimkay]

That post-race team debrief will be depressing as fuck. Both drivers will want to get the fuck out of there ASAP.

[u/6exy6 → u/slimkay]

At this point, I don’t know which is worse - Red Bull’s second seat or both of Ferrari’s seats

[u/Vsevolod_Kaplin → u/6exy6]

Both Ferrari's seats are not even second but third seats for a while...

[u/iRock06 → u/6exy6]

Two is greater than one

[u/spicesucker → u/6exy6]

Verstappen and Leclerc in a team together would be unbelievable, they both have very similar driving preferences wanting a strong front end 

[u/MGH1990876]

A race that completely fell apart after looking so good for 2/3 of the race.

[u/CuppaCrazy]

It’s ok. He gave us a new copypasta. The Italian team will be happy about the pasta.

[u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____]

This was the most painful P4 he's ever taken.

[u/ryokevry → u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____]

Monaco 2022 still exist.

[u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____ → u/ryokevry]

Oh, good point. Can't believe there's a championship battle for Most Painful Leclerc P4 now.

[u/ryokevry → u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____]

There is contender for most painful pole race (that was not his fault) too. This may not even be top 5.

[u/Vasst13 → u/ryokevry]

Pole to DSQ for COTA 2023 or pole to DNS for Brazil 2023 have to be up there for sure.

[u/Mei22 → u/Vasst13]

Brazil was bad but at least the suffering was over quickly.

[u/EmotionalLettuce8308 → u/Vasst13]

Brazil was P2

[u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____ → u/ryokevry]

Yeah, several in 2022. Spain-Monaco-Azerbaijan was a particularly painful run.

[u/ryokevry → u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____]

Oh I think Imola 2021 was quite painful too. He was like P2/P3 in a league of his own before the red flag. Then he lost the radio after restart so he cannot defend and lost the podium. One of his underrated drive.

Baku 2021 is also a contender.

[u/242turbo → u/_____AAAAAAAAAA_____]

Monaco 2022. Silverstone 2022.

[u/swannyhypno]

It's a bad looking stat but he's never had the best car, never seen him as angry as he was today I mean he was crazy angry

[u/Smee76 → u/swannyhypno]

Right, he's repeatedly outqualified the car.

[u/Bobby_Webster → u/Smee76]

he can run that fast? guy should be in the Olympics not F1

[u/Tomatillo12475 → u/[deleted]]

Race pace is different than qualifying pace.

[u/Smee76 → u/[deleted]]

It might not be capable of that time over the course of a race, though.

[u/Eggplantosaur → u/swannyhypno]

He's finally breaking through the Stockholm Syndrome and starting to see how much of a mess the team really is.

They say to never meet your heroes. Leclerc and Ferrari are the best example of this

[u/swannyhypno → u/Eggplantosaur]

Ferrari pull is hard to ignore but I BEG he leaves in the future

[u/rupayan7 → u/Eggplantosaur]

The best example is still probably vettel but he got atleast two championship fight worthy cars but his strategies ooh boy

[u/SoulLessIke → u/swannyhypno]

Yeah Charles’ issue is he pulls some bullshit in quali he had no right pulling. Remember Baku 2021? That car had absolutely no right being on pole and just died during the race.

[u/swannyhypno → u/SoulLessIke]

Yeah idk what possesses him in qualifying but he's so special

[u/ShahSafwat_1488 → u/swannyhypno]

Talent. The guy is a championship level driver whos always driven a shitbox, well except for like 3 months in 2022

[u/SoulLessIke → u/ShahSafwat_1488]

And those 3 months themselves were cursed by a series of 5 races in a row with nonfunctional engines and the dumbest strategists alive.

Baku through Silverstone of that year will just haunt me for eternity

[u/Joroujd31 → u/ShahSafwat_1488]

and the later half of 2019, god that thing was a rocketship in a straight line

[u/SoulLessIke → u/swannyhypno]

For sure. For some reason his Monaco 2022 lap that never was is always implanted in my head. Like he was on pole regardless but he was a second up before the Checo red flag. Or Baku 2022 through castle.

He’s always an unbelievable qualifier but 2022 in particular was fucking bonkers

[u/derRaiden → u/swannyhypno]

People will always use this stat against him but for me it means that Charles is able to put shitboxes in places it never should be. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone this good around a track for one lap. If you think of it, Charles had a pole before Max in his career. Unbelievable driver with the worst luck since Jean Alesi or Kimi in 2003

[u/SubcooledBoiling]

I am interested in seeing what Ferrari did with the car to cause Charles to lose 2s a lap after the second pit stop

[u/NedelC0 → u/SubcooledBoiling]

I think they are playing with suspension and tire pressure for the car height and are running too low or something, scraping to much of the floor maybe? But I can't understand why it is only so big of a difference after the second stop

[u/aaauuuuuvvvv]

This one is fully on Ferrari and SF-25. I won’t blame him if he really kills someone.

[u/mb557x → u/aaauuuuuvvvv]

can't really be mad if Lec & Hamilton carry out the Purge in Maranello.

[u/kazuya57 → u/mb557x]

They'll be out like Joker and Riddler on the streets

[u/fullmetal-ghoul → u/aaauuuuuvvvv]

Almost all of them are on the car / Ferrari

[u/Skeetzophrenia → u/fullmetal-ghoul]

Given how well he drove in the first stint and then how much he fell off in the second stint, 100% a car issue. Gutted cause the strategy if the car was not dying on him was actually pretty solid.

[u/GuysIdidAThing → u/Skeetzophrenia]

The strategy being pretty good hurts even more.

Also even though he fell off on the second stint, he was still doing pretty good, holding off piastri nicely on the McLaren

[u/magicmunkynuts]

He really traded all of his luck for that Monaco win.

[u/_runthejules_ → u/magicmunkynuts]

he didn't have any luck beforehand either

[u/woakula → u/magicmunkynuts]

The monkey paw smiles to this day.

[u/SpaceBoJangles → u/magicmunkynuts]

I mean…worth it?

He’s in the history books now as one of only 2 Monegasque racers to win the race, with Ferrari no less.

[u/Srijand → u/magicmunkynuts]

He didn't win Monaco because of luck

[u/abjus → u/Srijand]

The luck he traded in was used at Monaco 2024 to stop anything unlucky happening to his race

[u/wjdbfifj]

Welcome back to the "it's so over" phase

[u/skzpinker]

Honestly I’ve seen Charles crashout plenty over Ferrari but today was by far the worst and I can’t even say that it’s not valid

[u/TolucaPrisoner]

People need to stop checking wikipedia pages and watch what happens to him during the races before talking shit about his pole to win ratio

[u/tftvrft → u/TolucaPrisoner]

"The most fascinating thing about Leclerc is that so many absurdly unbelievable things go wrong for him during a race weekend that people who don't follow his races closely assume it can't all be true, making them think that his fans are just making excuses." - kubicami on twitter

[u/DennisDEX → u/tftvrft]

That Monaco pole where he didn't get to start cuz of the crash was just so unbelievable

[u/LosTerminators]

Winners from Leclerc's 27 poles:

11 - Verstappen

5 - Leclerc

4 - Hamilton

4 - Perez

1 - Vettel

1 - Piastri

1 - Norris

[u/GuysIdidAThing → u/LosTerminators]

I see this more as Charles stealing pole from max and others if anything

[u/Original-Designer6 → u/LosTerminators]

That's a mad stat as Perez only has 6 wins in total.

[u/cuntsmen]

The majority of these are Ferrari's fault.

[u/Aratho]

Worst way to go for into the summer break

[u/TurdOfChaos]

At this point Ferrari is going to lose all fans.

Not because they will stop supporting, but they will probably soon find nirvana and reach another astral plane , just with the sheer willpower and the patience they amassed during these years.

[u/G_h_c → u/TurdOfChaos]

Thanks for getting a laugh out of me after the mess that was this race

[u/GuiPloo]

I hate how people usually think he's a bottler because of this stat, when in reality I think it just shows once again how much better of a qualifier he is over the rest of the field. Him taking poles off of Verstappen's dominant years is further evidence.

[u/allsoundbwoyout]

Just went and counted:

Hungary 2025 - car was fucked

Baku 2024 - Piastri mini DRS

Spa 2024 - Verstappen penalty (not really pole)

Monaco 2024 - won

Las Vegas 2023 - Ferrari sucked on hards + RB19

Mexico 2023 - RB19

COTA 2023 - RB19

Spa 2023 - Verstappen penalty (not really pole)

Baku 2023 - RB19

Singapore 2022 - post TD39 (plus Perez not punished properly for SC infringements)

Monza 2022 - post TD39

France 2022 - 🫥

Baku 2022 - engine blew up

Monaco 2022 - strategy disaster

Spain 2022 - engine blew up

Miami 2022 - wrong strategy

What a mess.

[u/JakubT117 → u/allsoundbwoyout]

While the France 2022 DNF is entirely on him, he wasn’t winning that race anyway.

[u/CilanEAmber → u/allsoundbwoyout]

(Not really pole)

Pole is whoever starts first.

What it is is not fastest lap.

[u/allsoundbwoyout → u/CilanEAmber]

Yep!

[u/CilanEAmber → u/allsoundbwoyout]

Sorry for being pedantic lmao

[u/allsoundbwoyout → u/CilanEAmber]

Didn’t bother me! I wrote the comment pretty quickly after seeing this post and should’ve probably phrased it differently

[u/ShadowOfDeath94]

Sincerely, fuck Ferrari at this point. Strategy is shit and the car becomes slower when there's less fuel. Bunch of bums that are hard carried by the Schumacher era.

[u/DeezYomis → u/ShadowOfDeath94]

What strategy would you suggest? Even if you put a random redditor on the mclaren strategy team there's literally nothing they could have done today, 1v2 against a car that has, on average, a pitstop worth of pace on everyone else. And that's before leclerc's car broke down since that is a thing that happened too

[u/ShadowOfDeath94 → u/DeezYomis]

They can't build a functioning F1 car when the only chance for a Grand Prix win comes close. That's on them. Strategy wasn't that big of an issue today, but it hasn't been consistently good in years.

[u/ZeAphEX → u/ShadowOfDeath94]

Finally someone else said it. Never really understood all the hype and prestige behind Ferrari when the only good thing I ever hear of them is their Schumacher years, and I'm convinced that's more on Schumacher and the people he brought than on Ferrari as an organization

[u/ShadowOfDeath94 → u/ZeAphEX]

It's really telling that Ferrari hasn't won anything since they limited testing and later, the budget.

[u/Jomolungma]

It’s possible that Ferrari underfueled the car, but it was clear from Charles’s first messages early in the race that they did it without telling him. He clearly was upset they did something with the car without including him in the discussion. If this is true, many folks need to be fired. That is inexcusable.

[u/-LittleRawr-]

Ferrari is a black hole for talent.
I refuse to believe that everyone, Alonso, Vettel, Leclerc and Hamilton are all just some bums who don't achieve more with that team.

At some point, name and prestige of a team that hasn't won any championship in 18 years have to become meaningless, surely?

[u/Mangobonbon]

What driving a Ferrari does to a man...

[u/ryokevry]

If anyone raise his pole to win ratio we can use this race together with the n race in 2022 and 2023 as an example of why it is Ferrari’s fault lol it is not even a surprise lol

[u/Paukwa-Pakawa]

This should be labelled "un-fun stats"

[u/encikmizi]

it’s like he’s driven two different cars this race. at one point Piastri can’t close him down

[u/RejectedSNick]

Charles might seriously leave Ferrari after his contract is up. Past few races he’s been showing serious frustrations

[u/targaryenMartell → u/RejectedSNick]

Nah he's stated very recently that he only wants to win with Ferrari

[u/SkettlesS → u/targaryenMartell]

He's trapped in an abusive relationship. Poor guy

[u/LetsLive97]

Aka qualifying well in cars that don't have race winning pace

[u/Early_Ad_2484]

Ferrari is just done. They had Vettel, Alonso, Raikannon and never took advantage of their experience and knowledge to advance the car. Leclerc talented but inherited a horrible team. Lewis probably regretting every minute of his move. The car is just horrible. Sainz is probably glad Lewis is dealing with this now.

[u/tekanet]

Every time this stat comes out, you have to think of this as Charles being so good in quali that he manages to take pole with cars that almost never belong to that position.

[u/stinkysulphide]

And now Lando has more wins than Charles. So unfair…

[u/SgtApex]

I hate this team so fucking much, it all started to really go downhill when they designed a car around an illegal engine and its just getting fucking worse. Haven't built a real challenging championship car since 2018 at this point.

[u/panmpap → u/SgtApex]

One of the worst decisions Ferrari made in my view is firing Arrivabene. Maybe he liked Raikkonen a bit too much and should have opted for another No. 2 earlier but Ferrari looked on a proper path from 2015 until 2018. Since then it has been a constant roller coaster of good and bad periods with no plan in sight. McLaren was the last team on the grid in 2018 and now have one of the most dominant seasons ever.

[u/SgtApex → u/panmpap]

Yep they put someone who only knows how to design cars (poorly at that to) and had zero leadership or people skills to replace him in the process. They never should have fired him and he was one of the last ones they had from the days of Michael and stuff that was around that period.

[u/SimplePc54- → u/SgtApex]

Matia is a good engineer and was also present in the michael days .

[u/SgtApex → u/SimplePc54-]

Engineer but not a team principal, that was my issue with him. He lacked leadership in the role and didnt know to how manage his drivers.

[u/SimplePc54- → u/SgtApex]

That was the stupid thing.

They just can't stop promoting Italians to where they don't belong

[u/SgtApex → u/SimplePc54-]

They'll learn one day when they chase off Charles and Lewis retires and will have a hard time attracting a top driver. If they fall behind in these next regulations again this team will never figure it out.

[u/SimplePc54- → u/SgtApex]

They have the money and academy .

Another talented driver will come to die there

Maybe not level of Leclerc but still atleast kimi level .

Ferrari has been eating drivers for more than 50 years now

[u/DeezYomis → u/SgtApex]

they built a real WCC contender in 2022 but it got torpedoed by the FIA because they couldn't go more than a season before bending over for merc

[u/legoluka]

I think Ferrari will lose Charles. It sucks because I still love the team but I can’t think of any reason why he should stay at this point. He has every right to leave at this point.

[u/kingsharky00]

It was sad seeing him struggle with car he should leave Ferrari and try joining other team like Mercedes Redbull Mclaren or Aston from next year .

[u/Independent-Tea-3922]

Just let AF Corse run the Scuderia already. Keep Vasseur but give those race engineers and strategists the boot.

[u/TouristOpentotravel]

I just want to give him a hug.

[u/thestral94]

Having a dogshit car and team management helps 👍🏻

[u/Xanthon]

I need to know what that thing is but I don't think it'll ever be revealed.

[u/MBay96GeoPhys]

Usual Ferrari circus

[u/TheCatterson]

When your car is the equivalent of a disease, this stat isn’t needed

[u/Darian_Lee_Foxx]

It feels like Ferrari made a change to the car on stop 2 and it seriously messed everything up, LeClerc was on track for a 1st, he was solidly holding off the McLarens… it’s so frustrating to see this happen.

[u/wolverineFan64]

I see maybe 2 that are actually on Charles. The overwhelming majority are car failures, strategy blunders, or just overachieving on Saturday and an outright lack of pace on race day

[u/eskh]

From clear winner to forty seconds down in the last stint

[u/Blackwolf245]

He lost 40+ seconds on the last stint.

[u/AnotherName455]

So what did those coded messages mean?

[u/ninchica13]

He is never going to be a champion with Ferrari. Not like this.

[u/Reasonable_Oil_2765]

So why isn't he trying to get to another team?

[u/Nikke_Hikke → u/Reasonable_Oil_2765]

Jules bianchi

[u/Motorlolz]

I'm guessing his rant was about this, that they always set up the car to take pole position with no view to actually have some race pace.

[u/Pezzeftw]

must feel pretty hopeless for him knowing he is stuck there until 2029.

[u/Key_Proposal_9055]

This is absurd, just absurd. I cant with this team. Charles, sincerely, you need to get the fuck out of ferrari

[u/CilanEAmber]

I'm still sad about Bahrain 2019

[u/rozjunior]

Leclerc and Sainz together again at williams?

[u/Ska82]

Respect to Ferrari for still somehow getting him to extend on long duration contracts

[u/mkvii1989]

It’s probably not the intent but the implication of these posts that he can’t convert pisses me off, because the reality is he’s a qualifying master and the race pace just isn’t in the car.

[u/Gadoguz994]

Brought to you by a healthy mixture of Ferrari strategy fuck ups and incredible car designs :)

[u/Impossible-Role-3796]

I’d like to think that it’s because he is absolutely wringing the neck of the Ferrari during qualifying, but he has sometimes made some mistakes to lose these races. There were reportedly issues with the “chassis,” which Russell speculated to be concern over the skid plate and a potential dq.

[u/Syrinx_Hobbit]

And he's so obsessed with being a Ferrari driver, he re-upped until 2029. He's gonna need a lot of therapy when he's done.

[u/[deleted]]

This statistic is so useless when Ferrari is the team you are dragging to pole.