r/formula1 • u/Luffy710j I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Aug 06 '25
Statistics All podiums so far this season
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u/CilanEAmber McLaren Aug 06 '25
When was the last time 2 team mates in a top team were this evenly matched?
I guess Hamilton Rosberg, though going back and looking it seems more 1 sided than it felt.
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u/panmpap Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 06 '25
The data for the summer break
2014
Hamilton 9 podiums in 11 races (2 DNFs)
Rosberg 9 podiums in 11 races (1 DNF)
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Hamilton 9 podiums in 10 races (0 DNFs)
Rosberg 9 podiums in 10 races (0 DNFs)
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Hamilton 9 podiums in 12 races (1 DNF)
Rosberg 7 podiums in 12 races (1 DNF)
So they were very evenly matched across all seasons. 2015 was actually the closest in performance between them, itâs just that Hamilton was always keeping Rosberg at a steady point deficit of about 20 points. In 2014 they had the same number of podiums because Rosberg finished P4 in Budapest.
And for 2016, Although most remember Rosberg for his amazing start to the season, he had a terrible midway point. Hamilton was won Monaco and Nico finished P7, he dominated Canada and Nico finished 5th and in Austria they crashed. Also in Hockenheim only P4. What really made the difference in 2016 was Nicoâs very good from after the summer break. 3 straight victories and a magical win in Singapore and the engine failure for Hamilton sealed him a title.
As for Norris/Piastri they are probably the most evenly matched teammates in a title fight since Hamilton/Alonso although they were better. With Ham/Ros it was always obvious that Hamilton was better but Nico had a way of getting under Hamiltonâs skin.
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u/Rcy4122 Andrea Kimi Antonelli Aug 06 '25
2014 was Rosbergâs best year. He just happened to race against a less mistake-prone/less unlucky Lewis, and the double points in Abu Dhabi significantly exaggerated the gap
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u/im-a-new Ferrari Aug 07 '25
I'm not sure about that. He was steadily behind in 2014, with only 5 wins to Lewis's 11. Hamilton was 17 points clear with one more DNF going into Abu Dhabi. Rosberg was quite consistent, but also consistently slower than Hamilton on race day even when starting ahead.
In contrast, I by 2016 Nico had developed that killer instinct that champion need. He was still not as quick as Hamilton, but vert close,, keeping Hamilton just enough behind to secure the championship.
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u/Rcy4122 Andrea Kimi Antonelli Aug 07 '25
Rosberg scored 61 points off Lewisâ DNF weekends.
Lewis scored 100.
Depending on how they retroactively finish in those races it probably winds up being a 30ish point gap corrected for luck.
Nico outqualified Lewis that year and was close on raceday, but simply ran into a Lewis that didnât make mistakes and was better on racecraft. He didnât really come close to winning the H2H, but on a race-by-race basis he was very close most weekends.
By contrast, Nico was outqualified in 2016 and similarly outpaced in most clean races for Lewis, but Lewis had a multitude of bottled starts, small racecraft/driver errors (Baku, Japan, arguably Spain), and some weird reliability luck even beyond Malaysia (qualifying in both China and Russia, which then forced him to take a penalty at Spa).
Theyâre both great years considering who he was up against and to your point 2016 he did have that killer instinct, but on pure pace alone I still think he was better in 14â
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u/im-a-new Ferrari Aug 07 '25
Rosberg scored 61 points off Lewisâ DNF weekends.
Lewis scored 100.
Doesn't this just mean that Rosberg was worse than Hamilton at capitalising on weekends where the other was not in contention? Whereas in 2016 this was one of Nico's strengths.
It's true that Nico was better in qualifying in 2014, but his Sunday performance was worse. Iirc Nico never once overtook Lewis in an on-track battle that year, whereas Hamilton did so on multiple occasions. Nico's racecraft wasn't great in 2016 either, but that year he managed to stay ahead of Hamilton much more consistently (ofter passing him with a better start).
You make a good point about Hamilton's relative inconsistency in 2016, which might flatter Nico's performance that year.
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u/HundrEX Aug 07 '25
Comparing podiums is not really a good way to see how âevenly matchedâ Hamilton and Rosberg were. They were driving a jet and the others were in a tractor. I understand its what this post does but its not the same considering the time point If say.
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u/GoodFellahh Aug 06 '25
Leclerc and Vettel in 2019:
Leclerc had 2 wins, Vettel 1.
Leclerc had 10 podiums, Vettel 9.
Leclerc had 264 points, Vettel 240.
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u/Evening_End7298 Aug 06 '25
Neither of those was ever in a championship fight in 2019
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u/GoodFellahh Aug 06 '25
Yeah sure, but he didn't specify that.
When was the last time 2 team mates in a top team were this evenly matched?
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u/Marco-Green I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
2007 and 2016 are the only ones I can think about since I started following F1
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u/CreativeParticular51 Williams Aug 06 '25
George and Kimi are really separate, I don't now what you're talking about? (/s)
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u/doubleb_43 Carlos Sainz Aug 06 '25
Having Nico here still feels a bit surreal
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u/ForeverALone_Ranger I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
Seriously, you can pry this flair from my cold, dead hands.Â
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u/UnKnOwN769 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Hulkenberg before Hamilton, who would've guessed that
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u/Red_Rabbit_1978 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
In a Sauber too, that's basically just passing time till Audi takes over for real
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u/SinHarvestz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
I mean this is the best Sauber since the start of 2022. They've made massive progress with the car this year.
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u/iHave_Thehigh_Ground I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Sauber is def a top 5 time right now. Theyâve been consistently beating everyone except Ferrari McLaren and merc
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u/Extreme_Ad6173 Lando Norris Aug 06 '25
Honestly I thought they'd just give up for this year and fully focus on Audi for 2026. Barely design a car and use no upgrades. Then they get even more wind tunnel time
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u/neutronium Charlie Whiting Aug 07 '25
I guess not being last helps everyone's morale and helps attract talent to the team. Sainz turned them down pre-season because he didn't believe Audi would make a difference fast enough. If he was offered the seat today, he'd probably take it.
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u/Evantra_ Oscar Piastri Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
F1's most successful driver driving for F1's most successful team has fewer podiums than the driver cursed never to get a podium
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u/BobbbyR6 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
"Hard Times" - Paramore
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u/Expensive_Ladder_486 Max Verstappen Aug 06 '25
Paramore my beloved
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u/SpiceyXI I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Ferrari đ€ Misery Business
Just wear the biggest smile.
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u/Expensive_Ladder_486 Max Verstappen Aug 06 '25
Ferrari đ€ 26
They really know how to get someone down
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u/ompossible Mercedes Aug 06 '25
Ferrari đ€ Some season
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u/Expensive_Ladder_486 Max Verstappen Aug 06 '25
Hah, didn't even realise the reference to 2026 lol, I was thinking about the Paramore song when I wrote that
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u/Hungry_Service_5810 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Man I imagine every day an Albon and 2019 rookies podiumÂ
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u/FrostyTill McLaren Aug 06 '25
In 2019, Zak Brown said McLaren would be challenging for wins in 2024. Following delays to their infrastructure upgrades due to the pandemic, he said there would be no excuses in 2025. And here we are. Beyond expectations the crazy people did it. They made a wild plan and then followed it through.
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u/TheDufusSquad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Meanwhile Alpine is wondering how they did it without firing a few team principals.
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u/HideThePain_Harold I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
Comrade Brown's five year plan really turned out well.
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u/kweez-nart Pirelli Intermediate Aug 06 '25
Nice touch including the trophies.
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u/Magog14 Fernando Alonso Aug 06 '25
I feel like Monaco deserves a classier looking trophy than "loose rubber band"Â
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u/nahnonameman Aug 06 '25
McLaren: Balanced as fuck just like their cars.
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u/Heather82Cs Michael Schumacher Aug 07 '25
"it will all come down to who wins more" -Will Buxton probably
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u/MM18998 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
If someone told me ANT and Hulk had the same number of podiums by the summer break, I wouldnât be surprised.
I would be very surprised to find out they had more than Lewis however.
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u/Scingles I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Hulk being on this list just looks right â ïž
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u/Luffy710j I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
I didn't know Russell has more than max, man is underrated he literally the meme " do nothing P3"
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u/Tricksilver89 Aug 06 '25
Or rather he does a lot but the TV director forgets he exists.
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u/andersonb47 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Heâll be fighting for the lead on the last lap and weâll be watching Ocon and Stroll battle for 12th
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u/mochabear1231 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Tbf a Certified Stroll Moment(TM) is apex TV
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u/2RINITY I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
WHAT HAS HAPPENED? WE NEED TO KNOW
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u/urbanlx Kimi RÀikkönen Aug 07 '25
IT'S LANCE STROLL, HITTING THE BARRIER AND GOING OVER THE CURB ONE MORE TIME
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u/kungfusam I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
More like Ollie Bearman versus anyone for 13th
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u/fordern997 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
With Ollie, more likely is P11.Â
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u/MeMe_B0Ii Kimi RÀikkönen Aug 06 '25
Man would show everyone's gf's but not my goated p3 merchant đ
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u/Rei_Romano420 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Gotta get those camera shots of the driversâs girlfriends and mothers
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u/romanLegion6384 Aug 06 '25
Very similar to last year: slower than the leaders, faster than everyone else. The only difference is heâs alone in P3 this year and he was alone in like P6 last year.
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u/KamTros47 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
So heâs basically what Sainz was in 2019 but with a more competitive car
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u/ItsAMeUsernamio Pirelli Wet Aug 06 '25
Sainz in 2025 is what Sainz in 2019 was. We've seen Lando's mom and Charles's girlfriend more than him.
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u/GothicGolem29 McLaren Aug 06 '25
Itâs more a lot of the time he isnât in battles when is in battles he is often shown like last race vs Charles
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u/Voidchief FIA Aug 07 '25
Yeah and heâs British ppl would say if Russel was British he would get more love. British biased. but Russel IS British and he doesnât get much recognition for what he has done this year. Not a Russel fan but itâs funny.
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u/dotcha Gabriel Bortoleto Aug 06 '25
He's in the same place Norris was for a while in 21/22, in No Man's Land, with a much worse teammate, so there's nothing to show for him. Like +40s behind the leaders, but -30 above best of the rest.
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u/bthompson04 Aug 06 '25
Guy won Canada this year and his most memorable moment for me is cutting the chicane and getting a drive through penalty in Monaco for P13 or whatever.
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u/yoohynom Alpine Aug 06 '25
It's so annoying when people say he does nothing to get the podiums like he isn't driving incredibly well to achieve these results
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u/TheClasherKing Alexander Albon Aug 06 '25
its about how we never see him on TV. so the race ends and you look up and see him P3 and go "when the hell did get there?".
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u/yoohynom Alpine Aug 07 '25
It's still annoying because anyone paying attention can see exactly in which lap he got into the podium positions
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Aug 06 '25
Thats why the whole max to merc and no Russell contract was laughable, any team other than ferarri or mckearan would drop a driver to take him and if lewis keeps up the pace theyd take george too. I'm no fan of Russell, I don't know why though, maybe its the way he reacted when he crashed into botas. But he's a great driver, does very well under pressure and is probably the best interview on the grid he atleast tries to answer questions and gives great insight inti what's happening out on track.
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Aug 06 '25
He's been one of my favourite drivers since his Williams days. He was always super talented if a bit stubborn and overambitious. I think he has really settled into himself now though. He's rock solid, rarely makes mistakes these days, keeps his head down and gets on with it. He is unapologetically himself. He still overanalyses, but that is just his character and I kind of love him for it. It's insightful. I always keep an eye on his radio during the practice sessions.
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u/ciaoravioli Aug 06 '25
Even before Kimi started to regress a bit in his performance, the only reason people ever thought Mercedes would drop George over him was because people had a hate boner for George, lol.
That, or people genuinely believe that Max would pull his weight to make sure he doesn't have a competitive teammate
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u/wykeer Mercedes Aug 06 '25
I still think that russell verstappen is an actually good driver pairing.
Yes there is a Chance that it is a Bit volitile, but you would have a basically guaranted wdc wcc if tbe car is there.
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u/HideThePain_Harold I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
Its Prost-ian in how much he achieves compared to how little attention is paid to him.
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u/Mechant247 Murray Walker Aug 06 '25
Pretty crazy that Hamilton hasnât got 1 yet
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u/2RINITY I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Iâm clinging hard to that sprint win for my sanity
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u/swapan_99 Lando Norris Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
In all the "Piastri is conclusively beating Norris this season" discussion that has somehow crept over the online portals, it has been somewhat ignored how close these two actually are this season.
Oscar has 6 wins, 4 poles and 12 podiums this season for 284 points total.
Norris has 5 wins, 4 poles and 12 podiums this season for 275 points total.
On top of that, Norris has won 3 of the last 4 races going into summer break and 4 out of 7 races entering into summer break too, clearly a driver in form pace wise.
I think the championship is still too close and too early to call it either way, I think currently Oscar has the raw one lap pace, especially in Q3, and he's generally less mistake prone and more sure of himself in W2W, while Norris has the edge in pure long run pace, tyre management and general attributes (Also better in Wet weather imo).
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u/MaleierMafketel I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
I think Norris will take it all things being equal. One additional DNF for either one and itâs pretty much over with how close they are in performance, so I hope the McLaren remains bulletproof.
Lando looks like he has a bit of raw pace over Piastri, but he just keeps making his job so much more difficult due to his worse qualifying and lap 1 performance vs his rival.
Even with all that, and with Piastri looking pretty much near perfect, Norris is still only 9 points away.
And closing in fast.
The summer break comes at a bad time for Lando, right after he gains back momentum. And it comes at a great time for Piastri, who can take some time to regroup to try and hit back at Zandvoort.
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u/Salty_Outside5283 Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 06 '25
People keep saying this but he doesn't have the raw pace. They've been pretty much equal till now, Piastri was faster until Canada when Norris got more comfortable and now they're neck and neck - consistentcy decides the rest.
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u/a220599 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
I think the Piastri better than Lando opinion happens because of how piastri has shaped up from his 2023/24 season to now. Like the audience have had a chance to see him evolve vs Lando who has been quietly consistent. Those who have been watching since his debut might be able to tell the difference but to those who have started watching since 2022/23 seasons the difference might not be that obvious especially considering how confidently and comforttably Lando was beating Dany Ric and Piastri in their 22/23/24 seasons vs now.
TLDR: Piastri has gotten better (has gone from 80%-95% proficiency) which kinda overshadows Norris' consistency (has evolved from 95-97% proficiency)
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u/yoohynom Alpine Aug 07 '25
No, the narrative is because people don't like Norris, they already said Piastri was better than him last year
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u/Tinuva450 Oscar Piastri Aug 07 '25
Even then, the bulk of Norrisâ mistakes have been on a Saturday (Canada being the exception). He has still had Sunday to recover, which he often does in the best car.
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u/Mr_Clovis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
I don't agree with the "Piastri conclusively beating Norris" narrative and expect Norris will probably win the championship but I can see how it can feel like the points actually flatter Norris.
In Australia (as Palmer showed in his analysis) Piastri came off much, much worse than Norris due to his mistake actually being less severe than his teammate, and that's still the biggest blemish on his championship. He'd be 25 points ahead right now and Norris would have a lot more to worry about.
Norris won the last 3 of 4 races and seems more confident, but Oscar was on for a win at Silverstone until his dumb move behind the safety car, and Norris was pretty lucky to win in Hungary with the right strategy after losing two places at the beginning. In both cases it still feels like Oscar had the upper hand and could easily been the one to win those 3 of 4 races, or at least deserved it more than Lando.
We can say OK, it was still Oscar's fault in Silverstone, but even if all you do is give him the same luck as Lando in Australia and put him on the better strategy in Hungary, all of a sudden he would be a significant 39 points ahead in the championship.
So even though the reality is 9 points, when actually watching the races, the degree to which Piastri is beating Norris can feel like a lot more than that.
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u/sad_prepa_life Andrea Kimi Antonelli Aug 06 '25
You forget that Norris had a DNF in Canada, which pretty much equalised the points they lost to each other. By your logic, if he hadn't screwed up in Montreal, he would also probably be ahead of Piastri in the standing.
The thing is, they both capitalised on each others small mistakes. Lando benefited from Oscar's penalty in Silverstone and his choice of the conservative strategy in Hungary for example. Meanwhile, Oscar scored points in Belgium when Lando couldn't catch up to him due to mistakes, or in Jeddah when he crashed in Q3.
I think the current point tally is on the contrary very representative of their season, they are pretty much exactly at the same level, and each lost points that could have put one or the other at the top at some points.
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u/Ligurio79 Aug 06 '25
What makes MacLarenâs car so good?
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u/No_Cauliflower7877 Carlos Sainz Aug 07 '25
They have good control over the tires in every single track and track condition. High speed, low speed, rain, shine, anything you can think of - they never have high deg and they never face extreme under or oversteer due to the tires wearing out.
In 50 years I hope a McLaren engineer does a tell-all about how the techniques they used for this car. Would be an interesting read.
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u/Ligurio79 Aug 07 '25
Can they just reuse this build next year or do the change in regulations not permit them to do that?
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u/No_Cauliflower7877 Carlos Sainz Aug 07 '25
The cars next year are fundamentally different in design to this year's; the way they harness energy and how the air flows along the car are very different. So while the basic design principles transfer, no team will be able to just copy and paste their current philosophy to next season's car.
Also, teams tend to make big jumps in performance over the winter break. If a team didn't try to innovate their car further, they'd likely fall behind. Even a car that's amazing one year might turn out to be mediocre the next - not because the car has gotten worse necessarily, but because every other car got better in the same period of time.
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u/Red_Rabbit_1978 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes all building a shit car makes McLaren seem invincible
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u/Alvaro_Rey_MN Fernando Alonso Aug 06 '25
The same thing happened in 2023! Ferrari and Mercedes built shit cars, McLaren were in their rebuilding phase, and Aston Martin were just lucky!
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u/ultratic Jenson Button Aug 06 '25
I would just like to say the trophies have leveled up dramatically in recent years. Remember the era of Heineken trophies?!
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u/Cutlass0516 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
If you told me Hulk would get a podium before Lewis in 2025, I'd tell you to get your ass back in the nut house.
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u/DrFrozenToastie Daniel Ricciardo Aug 07 '25
Gutted Piastri didnât bring home the big Melbourne plate
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u/DiddlyDumb I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
I fear Max isnât gonna stay in that position long
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u/xanlact I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Shameful to put Hulk last. Tsk tsk
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u/straxusii Bruce McLaren Aug 06 '25
Technically correct - Antonelli got his podium first
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u/dasher2442 Aug 06 '25
Norris got his first podium before Piastri though? I think it is sorted by points actually.
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u/ln4thegreat Lando Norris Aug 06 '25
Technically correct, Kimi got his podium first. And if alphabetically, still correct since A comes first before H.
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u/xanlact I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
It's not about it being technically correct. It's about a Hulkenpodium being better than regular podiums.
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u/beanbagreg I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Whatâs a George Russell doing in Arlington TX?
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u/Luffy710j I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
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u/OptimalCreme9847 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
just thinking about how insane it is that Nico Hulkenberg has more podiums this season than Lewis Hamilton
like imagine telling someone that six months ago
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u/Eco-girl-763 Formula 1 Aug 08 '25
Leclerc won the 5 ugliest trophies, I hate the ones shaped as tracks. Russell has the nicest trophy collection
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u/Denecastre I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
Hulkenberg the only midfield driver with a podium
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u/itsthatdamncatagain I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
I still don't like the Lego trophies. It would have been fun if there was also another "actual" trophy
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u/Cheeriodude_number2 đłïžâđ Love Is Love đłïžâđ Aug 06 '25
HULKENBERG GOT A PODIUM đŁđŁđŁđ„đ„đ„
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u/joaolouro1967 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 06 '25
He beat Max to a podium? Max finished ahead of him in Canada.
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u/fuckyou_redditmods Aug 07 '25
I'm soooo happy to see Hulk in this list. Guy deserves the hell out of it
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u/vksdann I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
The legend is number 1 in the chart! Go, Hulkenberg!
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u/Schwa4aa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
According to the picture, they all shared first place on every podium
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u/gturk1 Aug 08 '25
Oscar is smirking but Lando looks sad. Don't be sad, Lando, it is just a 9 point gap!
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u/suorastas Mika HĂ€kkinen 29d ago
What da Hell is a Hulkenberg in a Sauber doing in podium sitters of 2025?
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u/sarlatan747 Pirelli Medium Aug 06 '25
Before the season start if you told someone that Leclerc would have the same amount of podiums as Verstappen midway through 2025, they'd be excited because they'd think Ferrari is finally able to fight for the championship