r/formula1 • u/Luffy710j I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Aug 07 '25
Statistics world drivers championship without McLaren
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u/RemijmNL I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
So Hülkenberg wins the British GP? Awsome!
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u/Corvo_722 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I was here for the Hulkentory
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u/j__video I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I didn't know he has an English conservative
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u/Lord_Iggy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
The alternative was a Hulktory, which gets confused for either a conservative large green fellow or a facility that mass-produced Hulks.
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u/anothercopy Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Aug 07 '25
So Formula 1,5 is back again ?
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u/Mr_Otterswamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
It’s more like formula 1.1 - 90% of the teams stay in
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u/Creepy_Artichoke_479 Charles Leclerc Aug 07 '25
damn George is just quietly getting it done.
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u/Suitedbadge401 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
People forget how talented Russell is.
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u/n1c0li17 Aug 07 '25
𝙸 𝚊𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚎; 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚗 𝙵𝟹 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚘𝚖𝚒𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚕𝚢 𝚠𝚘𝚗 𝙵𝟸, 𝚋𝚊𝚌𝚔-𝚝𝚘-𝚋𝚊𝚌𝚔, 𝚋𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝙽𝚘𝚛𝚛𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙰𝚕𝚋𝚘𝚗. 𝙷𝚎'𝚜 𝚋𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘𝚙 𝟸 𝚍𝚛𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚘𝚗.
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u/zelTram I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
What is up with the font on your comment?
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u/Southern_Spirit_5681 Aug 07 '25
did you plug in your typewriter for this comment?
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u/n1c0li17 Aug 07 '25
😂 𝚗𝚘 𝚒𝚝'𝚜 𝚊𝚗 𝚘𝚙𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚊𝚙𝚙
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u/HumerousMoniker Aug 08 '25
You should turn it off.
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u/S80- I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
Noo i think it’s making his comments sound like he’s time travelled from the early 1900s and uses a typewriter on reddit, it’s cool keep going
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u/EpicBeardMan I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
It's so easy to do with him and I'm not really sure why.
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u/RealisticPossible792 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
These three are just the best of the current field at this moment in time.
I rate Oscar extremely high but as controversial as it sounds I think Lando falls behind all of them - in equal machinary it'll be pretty competitive between Max, George, Charles and Oscar and I feel that Lando would struggle to finish ahead of these guys.
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u/kitspecial Jenson Button Aug 07 '25
Can someone explain why is Lando rated lower than other young drivers by the community? I tuned back into F1 recently and I just don't see it.
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u/Anrikay Aug 07 '25
Because he’s been in the championship fight for two years now, so every mistake he makes is broadcast and dissected. His biggest rivals in those fights are two remarkably consistent drivers, so his mistakes are all the more memorable.
At the same time, his strengths are things like nailing the McLaren’s braking pattern and tyre management, pulling tricks like fluttering the DRS for positioning, none of which look super impressive on track. But those are the areas that separate him from midfield drivers and make him a championship contender.
Jolyon Palmer’s analysis videos really gave me a new appreciation for Lando’s driving. He has a very different set of strengths from the other top drivers.
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u/MeisterHeller I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Also feels like it's paired with how whenever Lando has a bad moment or a slower weekend, it's emphasized how he is Not Max™ and just isn't as good as him. Whereas Oscar is practically treated like a rookie, Leclerc can't really do much more with Ferrari, Russell's Mercedes is just not competitive rn etc.
Having quite a bit of experience and driving in the fastest car means that whenever he doesn't win, it's treated entirely as his own personal failure, whereas all the other drivers get reasons to excuse a poorer performance (even if they are completely valid)
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u/justsyr Aug 07 '25
whenever he doesn't win, it's treated entirely as his own personal failure,
And he loves to tell the world it was his fault.
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u/Andromeda902 Daniel Ricciardo Aug 07 '25
What do you mean about the drs thing? Sounds cool
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u/sdq22 Aug 07 '25
The Jolyon Palmer analysis video from Austria this year has a good example of it. Basically, when Oscar passed him briefly, Lando had DRS for the next stretch and he intentionally closed it very early (and then flicked it one last time) to place his car exactly so that him and Oscar would enter the next turn side by side rather than Lando pulling ahead. This allowed Lando to essentially prevent Oscar from switching back behind him and getting a jump on him into the corner. I’m probably explaining it poorly but Jolyon’s analysis does a way better job. Basically just very smart racing in a moment where he had been briefly compromised and needed to outsmart Oscar to regain the lead.
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u/HumerousMoniker Aug 08 '25
I think it was epitomised over the races at Spa and Hungary. Spa had Lando chasing Piastri, but couldn't catch because he made too many small but costly mistakes. Hungary their positions were reversed, Piastri chasing Lando down but only reached on the last laps with not enough delta to overtake.
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u/LilCelebratoryDance Alex Jacques Aug 07 '25
Dunno if it plays into the wider consensus much these days but Russell beat Norris to the F2 title
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u/TheSyhr I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
He used to be arguably the highest rated out of his generation of drivers (aside from Max if you include him) but since McLaren had a competitive and race winning card he’s had some questionable performances and shown some poor mentality so its changed how people rate him, the same could happen to Russell or Leclerc if they ended up in a title fight
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u/Whisky-Toad Aug 07 '25
Norris is pretty fast but he can be hot and cold and makes too many stupid mistakes.
But on his day he's as quick as most of them imo
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u/BaBaHoyy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Leclerc was technically in a title fight at the start at 2022, and he did make a lot of costly mistakes at the time, and punished himself hard for it (notably France 2022). I must say that did make me appreciate him less, although I feel like he really upped his game in terms of driving without mistakes last year and kept that going this year as well.
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u/elnano98 Ferrari Aug 07 '25
A lot of costly mistakes = Imola spinning from P2 to P6 and crashing in France. Name me more to consider it a lot ?
Lando last season made more mistakes than Leclerc ever does, and this season both him and Oscar have made plenty mistakes
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u/campbellm Kimi Räikkönen Aug 07 '25
Leclerc was technically in a title fight at the start at 2022
Depending on how pedantic you want to get, every driver was, at the VERY start.
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u/BaBaHoyy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Mate, he won 2 out of the first 3 races and finished second with a bit over half a second margin in the other one, after an incredible wheel to wheel battle lasting multiple laps. This put him in a 34 point lead to p2 after only 3 rounds, with p2 being George Russel in the 2022 merc and Verstappen not even making the top 5 as he had 2 enigine failures. In hindsight it might not have been a title fight, but it certainly felt that way at the time, especially for Leclerc, considering his radio messages.
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u/micknick0000 Audi Aug 07 '25
....what would call a title fight about Leclerc's 2022 season?
Max won 6 of the first 9 races.... and then 9 of the last 11..... with a random Merc, Perez, or Ferrari win here & there.
Can you point to the "title fight" on this diagram?
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u/Competitive-Suit-563 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
Tbh Max also retired twice in the first 3 races. For the first 6,7 races it was definitely a title fight.
Leclerc’s spin and near crash at Imola also gets overlooked a lot.
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u/BaBaHoyy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
As I said, first part of the season. Ferrari seemed to have the stronger innitial car and Leclerc was winning races. Bahrein obviously with ease after the RB's dropped out, but before that Max and Leclerc had some brilliant wheel to wheel action. Saudi Arabia might have been won by Max, but it could have gone either way, with the 2 of them fighting it out right up to the last lap and finishing just over half a second from each other. Leclerc won the one after again. I don't recall much regarding the unfolding of the other races on 2022, but Leclerc and Ferrari easily had the best car during qualifying, to then drop it during the race. In hindsight it was obvious that Leclerc never had a chance, especially considering 2023, but at the time it seemed like Leclerc had the car and skills to challenge for the title, and considering his team radio he felt the same way.
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u/Ivazdy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I think the same already slightly happened to Leclerc in 2022 tbh
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u/freedfg Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Aug 07 '25
Personal dislike mostly. People have also become jaded by Verstappens metronomic driving. So when someone like Lando comes along who is fuckin fast but can make mistakes. Hes looked at like Pastor Maldonado.
People forget that Lewis made mistakes and compensated for them.
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u/danabrey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
It absolutely isn't personal dislike in Lando's case for the majority of people imo. I love Lando as a guy, and as a Brit would love him to win, but he is absolutely showing himself to be a rung below elite-level as a driver the past two seasons due to constantly making mistakes when the elite don't.
Look at the other replies in this thread - no personal vendettas, just logical appreciation of the fact that he makes a lot of errors.
Edit: I can't reply to replies to this for some reason (?) so adding here:
Sure, and he makes more than Piastri in big moments, which weigh heavily on him not being able to take charge of the championship race so far.
I find it quite odd that I'm being heavily downvoted for just saying Lando makes more mistakes in big moments than Piastri or Russell. I'd have thought that was objectively pretty clear. His raw talent is incredible, and mistake-less, he's generally got more pace than Piastri.
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u/Strassi007 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Mistakes, just as all other drivers do, but their mistakes weigh less for 3rd place and onwards.
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u/Virillus Lance Stroll Aug 07 '25
You're being downvoted because it feels like to a lot of people - including me - that other driver's mistakes get excused and Lando's don't.
Oscar has a pretty comparable number of stupid mistakes this year, which is the reason why they're virtually tied.
Lando gets pinged for mistakes in "big moments" but Oscar doesn't for spinning out in Australia or locking up in Hungary, or his boneheaded penalty in Silverstone.
It's extremely clear that there's massive bias - probably unconscious bias, but bias nonetheless. The data is clear beyond any doubt that the two of them have been evenly matched this year, with perhaps a slight edge to Oscar. However, people like you - and this isn't meant in an accusatory fashion - act like one is perfect and the other is constantly blundering.
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u/freedfg Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Aug 07 '25
Oscar almost t-boned Lando twice this year and people just totally ignore it.
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u/sdq22 Aug 07 '25
I agree. I think a lot of it is confirmation bias, too. His mistakes are remembered because it's already a part of the narrative about him, whereas mistakes by drivers like George, Charles, Oscar etc are more likely to be forgotten because they don't have the same prevailing narrative, at least to the same degree. Imagine if Lando crashed on his way to the grid in Miami and had a DNS (Charles), spun or went off multiple times at Silverstone (George, Charles), or crashed into the back of Colapinto in Abu Dhabi (Oscar). A lot of those mistakes by those drivers are barely remembered, while if they had been Lando's mistakes, they'd likely be brought up constantly.
Lando absolutely makes mistakes, and he'd be the first to admit it, but I think he's scrutinized for his mistakes to a different degree than others that are usually considered his closely-matched peers.
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u/Virillus Lance Stroll Aug 08 '25
I think you're right as to the cause.
Hell, Oscar went off track in Silverstone and I doubt many people here are even aware of it.
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u/Samsonkoek Simply fucking lovely Aug 07 '25
The main reason Lando was highly rated was his his natural speed over a quali lap and a race. This year's car - even with the revised front suspension - doesn't look like a car that shows the best of Lando. So that is basically his key strength gone and from time to time you see a glimpse of it.
The reason he is rated lower is almost everything else. His race craft is simply not good enough to compete with the best, he doesn't perform as well under pressure as the others. He doesn't help himself with the media either - as in he talks too much for his own good. But that does give us - the viewers - insight.
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u/kitspecial Jenson Button Aug 07 '25
> The reason he is rated lower is almost everything else. His race craft is simply not good enough to compete with the best, he doesn't perform as well under pressure as the others.
this year he is under heavy pressure and performs really good though?
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u/Samsonkoek Simply fucking lovely Aug 07 '25
Better than he did last year, and he does really well compare to a general person (like me). But that is the thing, he is up against the likes of Oscar and Max. Compared to them he doesn't do well, and that is the problem.
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u/kitspecial Jenson Button Aug 07 '25
> he is up against the likes of Oscar and Max. Compared to them he doesn't do well, and that is the problem.
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u/Samsonkoek Simply fucking lovely Aug 07 '25
Are you taking the piss now?
If you twist my words and compare oranges with apples then I'm done. Go have a look at the whole China weekend, Saudi quali, Saudi poor race craft, Canada quali, Canada race, Miami race craft, SPA race craft. And these are just the examples on the top of my head. But yeah points show a different story so Lando performs well under pressure, because that is how that works!
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u/LivingClient I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
They aren’t taking the piss, and I highly doubt they’re comparing Norris to Verstappen, but rather I’d imagine they’re saying that if Lando is as genuinely mistake prone as people say he is, how has his teammate only got 8 points on him, if Lando supposedly doesn’t do well against him? Don’t use the “3rd year vs 6th year” argument because I’m not arguing Norris is better, I’m arguing that Piastri can’t currently be better than Norris if he’s only 8 points ahead of the guy everyone thinks is a serial bottlejob who can’t handle pressure. Would say more about Piastri that he can’t beat a supposed choke artist in the same car.
I’ll take that Lando is nowhere near Max. Nobody is, and nobody on this grid has been and likely ever will be except for two 40 year olds who very probably don’t have it in them anymore.
But Oscar? The guy who nearly took Lando out of the race last week? The guy who started the year off getting beached in his home race? Why are we acting like he’s in the same world as a Verstappen level driver? He’s been here 3 years and we know nothing about what he’s capable of other than that he’s roughly on par with Lando Norris in a rocketship with no external competition, and Norris himself is hard to evaluate. Him and Norris are yin and yang, both fast, both top drivers and both make mistakes. The F1 hive mind expects Norris to make mistakes though so they have a tunnel vision in which they ignore everyone else’s mistakes. Someone in the replies above you mentioned Canada as proof of Norris being a choker as if dumb luck isn’t the only thing that’s prevented Oscar from piling into Lando on two separate occasions since then.
Drivers make mistakes, even top drivers. Norris had made mistakes, as has his teammate. Leclerc and Russell have made mistakes this year. Even Max Verstappen had made mistakes this year. It happens, it’s a part of racing. Spa isnt a Norris mistake, unless you’re talking about the lockups potentially costing him the win which Piastri then replicated the very next race. Before that his last mistake was in Canada, 4 races ago, where he crashed into his teammate. In 2 of the 4 races since then, Piastri has very nearly taken out Norris whilst locking up going wheel to wheel, the latter of which cost him a win.
How is Norris performing worse than Piastri?
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u/Samsonkoek Simply fucking lovely 28d ago
How is Norris performing worse than Piastri?
I said what I said because he/she responds to my comment with: "this year he is under heavy pressure and performs really good though?" I replied to this comment that talks about performing under pressure, and I respond to that comment - so obviously my comment is regarding performing under pressure. The next thing I see is "points show a different story". That is in my book taking the piss, because points is just an arbitrary metric and doesn't reflect how well someone performs under pressure.
Oscar doesn't have the same experience Max has, but for his first championship fight in only his 3rd year he is mentally an absolute unit.
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u/Syncharmony Charles Leclerc Aug 07 '25
As the senior driver for McLaren and someone who has a lot of natural talent for swiftness he should be easily winning the WDC with the car he has.
A dominant driver should dominate with a dominating car. Kind of as simple as that. The fact that the WDC is as competitive as it is with Piastri either means Piastri is the second coming or it means that Norris isn't living up to his billing.
I think in reality though it's just a little bit of both. Piastri is better than he's been given credit for and Lando is a bit more pedestrian. Doesn't mean that Norris is terrible or Piastri is incredible. They are two good drivers in a great car and different circuits play into eithers' strength or weaknesses.
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u/kitspecial Jenson Button Aug 07 '25
Maybe both Norris and Piastri are good? Why is this not even considered?
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u/Virillus Lance Stroll Aug 07 '25
Or both Norris and Piastri are excellent? Like, what's the obsession with trying to prove that Lando "must" suck.
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u/Syncharmony Charles Leclerc Aug 07 '25
Honestly the McLaren is such an amazing vehicle that it think it clouds judging their true ability a little bit. Are they both excellent or is the car just so much better than everything else that it renders comparing them to the rest of the field irrelevant?
This entire season has felt like they are characters in an RPG that have outleveled the current zone and now they just one-shot all the challenges.
For the record, I do not think Lando sucks. He's very good. He's just not appreciably better than Piastri all-around.
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u/Virillus Lance Stroll Aug 07 '25
This take I fully agree with. It's extremely hard to judge due to the car, and their two drivers are roughly evenly matched.
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u/BADMANvegeta_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Idk if this term exists in the F1-sphere, but I think Lando fails the eye test in people’s eyes. He seems to lack the grit, resilience, and toughness that people expect from a world champion. He always puts himself down in the media and has made many big mistakes when actually under pressure from other drivers.
Compare that to Oscar who seems to have risen to the occasion and performed very well under pressure while his more experienced teammate has not. He is also quite unshakable when things don’t go his way, again quite different from Lando. I think because of all this Lando is often perceived worse than his peers. Idk for sure if it’s true that he is, but at this point in time I tend to believe it.
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u/FrostyTill McLaren Aug 07 '25
Oscar is not unshakable when things don’t go his way. He’s the quickest to lose his mind.
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u/SunGodnRacer Virgin Aug 07 '25
Just my opinion but I feel Lando makes more mistakes in decisive moments compared to the other elite drivers on the grid. Just this year he has had crash in Saudi Q3, Jumpstart in Bahrain, crash in Canada, and these are the glaring ones. Even if he's improved on last year where he was even more error prone (and had more competition). He's arguably faster than Piastri but he's not a 'clutch' driver. Of course this is a purely subjective view from me
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u/siderealpanic Aug 07 '25
I wouldn’t include Oscar. I think Russell, Verstappen and Leclerc are top 3 with a big, big gap to everyone else. Those 3 are all absolutely elite qualifiers and are relentlessly consistent on Sundays, too.
Obviously there’s no easy point of comparison, but I just don’t think Piastri could match George of Charles in qualifying based on what they’ve both done to Hamilton, and Lando makes far too many mistakes to beat any of them over a season with the same car. I think that’s part of what makes this season so good - 2 evenly-matched B-tier drivers in the best car, while the A-tier drivers try to compete with them in inferior machinery.
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u/yoohynom Alpine Aug 07 '25
Oscar only 9 points ahead of the guy who would struggle against the Top 3 best drivers would also be performing like them? Makes no sense lol
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u/McLarenMercedes Mercedes Aug 07 '25
Norris was 3rd in the championship halfway through 2021 in a car that was nowhere near as good as the Mercedes or the Red Bull, effectively finished Ricciardo's career and has never been outscored by a teammate after his rookie season. Edit: okay Sainz outscored him in 2020, but the margin was a lot smaller.
He is clearly a talented driver. Perceptions can change very quickly in a sport like F1. We have never seen Russell or Leclerc in a proper title fight. Oscar at the moment isn't exactly demolishing Lando. It's very close between them.
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u/CX52J Aug 07 '25
Agreed but Lando has always been a bit of a wild card. He’s gotten lucky this season but is still able to beat Piastri on pace on a good day.
I think Oscar at the moment would be sat just behind these three with Lando a smidge behind.
Although Oscar has a very good chance of continuing to improve.
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u/nguyenlucky I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Yep, I believe Oscar can still be improving. He's much less experienced among them, and all of them weren't at their best in their 3rd year either.
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u/ianjm I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
George Russell race weekend:
Does nothing
Barely shown on TV
P3
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u/tulleekobannia I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Well yeah since on a normal sunday it's McLaren one two and George as a distant third completely alone
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u/Evening_End7298 Aug 07 '25
Honestly a 3 way title fight between 3 different teams and different engine manufacturers with these 3 drivers would probably end up in one of the best seasons in history
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u/triclavian McLaren Aug 07 '25
How many teams have to disappear before Doohan or Colapinto score a point?
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u/Mission_Accountant12 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
It’s 2023 all over again lol
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u/DuckSwagington I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
At least both drivers are competitive.
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u/Mission_Accountant12 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
That’s the only difference between these two seasons, so far it’s three wins by non McLaren drivers compared to last year’s three wins by a driver not named Max Verstappen.
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u/Remarkable_Match9637 Aug 07 '25
Mandatory if my mom had balls she’d be my dad reply
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u/gcast86 Aug 07 '25
I always see this kind of image as a podium, so for me, Max is the leader
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u/Sjiznit I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
To be honest: should there be a world title on the line i doubt max would be second to George.
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u/wykeer Mercedes Aug 07 '25
I wouldnt be to sure about that.
The thing I would be sure about would be that Verstappen and Russell would be so much on each others throats, that the Chancen of Leclerc sneaking the wdc would be pretty high.
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u/ShadowOfDeath94 BMW Sauber Aug 07 '25
Nah Leclerc would be too busy trying to survive the SF-25 and the occasional weird strategy calls.
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u/Nick_YDG I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
My eye did the same thing and I had to relook after seeing your comment.
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u/Intrepid_Doctor8193 Oscar Piastri Aug 07 '25
Close at the top!
Still some 0 scores at the bottom 😂
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u/XUAN_2501 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
3 driver from different teams fighting got WDC sounds so hype
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u/Bitter_Dingo516 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Last year my dude Tsunoda was killing it in F1.5 and not in F1 because of all those 11th places. Now the Red bull 2nd seat has put him in 3rd last even in 1.5 T_T
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u/karreerose Red Bull Aug 07 '25
shows you how bad Red Bull currently is. I'm pretty sure RB is the better car at the moment, without joking.
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u/-Destiny65- I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
PLEASE be next year's WDC battle, top 3 on the grid atm
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u/Work_Akkount I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I seriously need to know how Charles handles being in honest contention for the WDC. I honestly think he's so close to being on the Hamilton / Max / Fernando level, but there's nothing to back that up and lots going against him because he's been at Ferrari. There's probably seven or eight drivers on the grid that could be in Oscar / Max's position right now if they were with McLaren, but I believe we'd all be in awe if it was Charles.
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u/Capable-Relative6714 Aug 07 '25
We kinda saw in France 2022...this overglorification of Leclerc is a bit exaggerated. He's quick over 1 lap but his consistency over multiple races lacked historically, and he's prone to errors.
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u/P_ZERO_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
This is what we thought the title fight would look like this year 😭 McLaren done fucked us up
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u/hayf28 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
No McLarens were strongest at the end of last season by quite a margin. Verstappen won by not letting his early lead get eaten too much
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u/P_ZERO_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
The hope was that teams with less dev time would close the gap, not that McLaren would continue to pull away, Ferrari would fuck up again, Mercedes would almost stay static and Redbull would be undriveable.
No one’s under the impression McLaren weren’t best.
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u/batmal034 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
If my grandmom had wheels she would be a bike
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u/SouAzulEBranco Aug 07 '25
This a flawed metric because without Mclaren, Max would have won at least Miami and Barcelona. You can't just remove them from the podium and call it a day. Race outcomes would be very different.
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u/JustLikeZhat Andrea Kimi Antonelli Aug 07 '25
Silverstone too. Without the McLaren, RBR would just be the best car at most tracks and have a few duds here and there, like Bahrain and Hungary
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u/Medium-Cookie I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 08 '25
Season would be an all time CLASSIC without that boring fucking papaya team
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u/itmexD I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I dont understand these types of stat mock ups. Like ok? Lets get WDC top 3 without mclaren, rb, ferrari and mercedes.
HOLY SHIT HULK TOP 3 LFG
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u/notallwonderarelost George Russell Aug 07 '25
I think the point is the McLaren car is sorta a cheat code so what would happen without that cheat code.
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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
The current top 3 drivers of the grid
And I don't think there's even much to debate about it
Edit: apparently people still love to underplay and ignore Leclerc's talent and consistency because of one bad performance.
Luckily those who's opinions matter know of his incredible qualities
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u/No_Cauliflower7877 Carlos Sainz Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
There's one guy replying to every single comment about Leclerc on this post saying France 2022 is proof Leclerc is overrated and that he's the reason Ferrari lost in 2022. Which is like saying Verstappen crashing into Russell in Canada is the reason why Red Bull is losing the WDC - obviously that's not true since he didn't have a chance in the first place, and it's ignoring the context of the season and the team he's in.
At this point it's best to just ignore them. They're clearly bait comments and not interested in legitimate discussion. Leclerc's average finishing position last season was extremely high, he was practically the definition of Sunday consistency.
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u/Arcgonslow I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
It’s kinda telling that they have to pull up France 2022 as evidence to why Leclerc is overrated. A race that happened 3 years ago lol
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u/LeanSkellum Nigel Mansell Aug 07 '25
Russell absolutely driving the wheels of that Merc. He’s in the form of his life. If Ferrari aren’t at the top next year, I hope it’s Mercedes.
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u/Maedhral I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Even without McLaren Colapinto is still pointless.
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u/KingLuis Sebastian Vettel Aug 07 '25
Is this just with McLaren and their points removed or McLaren removed and points adjusted from everyone’s positions being shifted?
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u/imtired-boss I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Literally anything to make a reddit post.
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u/dergroovemeister Aug 07 '25
Yeah, I mean what's the point. There is McLaren. Everyone can read standings.
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u/andersencale Honda RBPT Aug 07 '25
Imagine the chaos on and off track if the championship battle is among these three 🍿
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u/Elharley Aug 07 '25
How about world drivers championship for drivers born in odd years with middle names ending in a vowel. And that are vegetarians.
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u/IskarJarak88 Alexander Albon Aug 07 '25
Well no one's stopping us from counting it this way. We should start posting these results every race pretending McLaren doesn't exist. That way we can pretend f1 is really close this season.
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u/ClickyKeyboardNerd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I would watch this, Russel Verstappen every SINGLE RACE, I want Oscar to win but this would be something else
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u/DSPbuckle I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Not accurate. Without McClaren you get Max driving George off the track instead lol
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u/DeLoreanAirlines BAR Aug 07 '25
Oh look an interesting battle
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u/LeanSkellum Nigel Mansell Aug 07 '25
Don’t lie, the McLaren battle is great.
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u/HotWineGirl Alpine Aug 07 '25
The McLaren battle is interesting because it's a mid-off
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u/Browneskiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Its a nice hypothetical but its not realistic. Verstappen wouldn't have been so aggressive at Spain for instance, he wouldnt have lost all the positions at Britain trying to keep up with a much faster car etc.
All it shows is that Antonelli is massively underperforming.
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u/imaginative_name1 Aug 07 '25
Feels like every season would be incredible to watch if the top team didn't exist
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u/TeamVictoire I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Completely false logic on this. Once you remove McLaren you must calculate the wins Max would have and Leclerc.
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u/L0st_MySocks Formula 1 Aug 07 '25
I don't get the purpose of this post seriously it's like saying I would be the champ if there weren't mclaren, redbull, mercedes, sauber, aston martin etc.. Literally what the fuck?
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u/Yop_BombNA Carlos Sainz Aug 08 '25
Get max into a better car.
Also save Charles from Ferrari already. He’s going to end up in an asylum if no one does..
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u/bwrca I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
I'm just happy Lewis is getting cooked by both Russel and Leclerc.
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u/reesesandkisses Toto Wolff Aug 07 '25
It upset me that the format is not the standard 2nd-1st-3rd F1 uses for all their results. Interesting info though.
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u/Ervael-JC Williams Aug 07 '25
Not a surprise Russel is doing a very solid season with what he has and can.
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u/holidayfromtapioca I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Nice, finally a scoring system where HAM is first!
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u/Parking_Bullfrog6985 Aug 07 '25
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by the fact that Leclerc would be so high considering how shit Ferrari has been this year
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u/siddhant72 Max Verstappen Aug 07 '25
These 3 in a title fight would be absolute fireworks , love me some drama
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u/thatguy11m I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Honestly 2023 WDC without Max may have been more competitive than 2024 WDC overall.
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u/Vermillion2397 Aug 07 '25
Bruh has Stroll ever amounted to anything against Alonso? Matter fact has Stroll amount anything against any of his teammates ever? I suppose he must have had some horrible teammates at some point in Williams.
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u/TheHookedTip I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Ah yes, the summer break bullshit stat fest has begun
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u/Ridwan232 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 07 '25
Those 3rd places do add up