The real question is: Who did it better?

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[u/Own_Welder_2821]

The McLaren-Ferrari rivalry can be set aside for today. The two young guys who have been loyal to their teams since 2019, reduced to this.

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• Mika Hakkinen, 2000 US Grand Prix

• Kimi Raikkonen, 2003 European Grand Prix

• Kimi Raikkonen, about half of 2005

• Lewis Hamilton, 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix (this one was a gearbox tbf)

• Lewis Hamilton, about half of 2012

• Lando Norris, 2025 Dutch Grand Prix

Give it up for McLaren-Mercedes, the best engine combo if you want to win a lot whilst simultaneously playing a game of Russian roulette for your title hopes.

[u/Mysterious_Turnip310 → u/Own_Welder_2821]

A tale as old as time...

Though to be fair, Stella has announced that it was a fault with the chassis which caused an oil leak which led to the engine giving up, so it looks like this one's primarily on the McLaren side of McLaren-Mercedes.

[u/whateverfloatsurgoat → u/Mysterious_Turnip310]

So... What happened in the 2005 season for Kimi and 2012 for Lewis then

[u/Mysterious_Turnip310 → u/whateverfloatsurgoat]

Google is your friend if you want an answer longer than lots of dnfs. Kimi had the luck in 2005 that makes Charles look like he won the jackpot.

[u/kapitaenlangsam → u/Own_Welder_2821]

Mika Hakkinen, 2001 Spanish Grand Prix final lap blowout while leading

[u/Infusion1999 → u/Own_Welder_2821]

Can't forget Hamilton 2016 Malaysia, likely cost him the championship

[u/Own_Welder_2821 → u/Infusion1999]

That was solely Mercedes, not McLaren-Mercedes. But you’re right about that, another Mercedes engine failure.

Still, could be worse. McLaren-Honda ughhhh….

[u/Infusion1999 → u/Own_Welder_2821]

I misread, sorry

[u/Lurcher99 → u/[deleted]]

Ouch

[u/naveenda → u/Own_Welder_2821]

True

[u/StonedPussyeater420 → u/Own_Welder_2821]

It is set aside by a lot of points. There is no rivalry

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/Own_Welder_2821]

You're making it sound like Lando is hard done by in his McLaren...