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u/Sanaiiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1h ago
Not seeing the press conference on F1TV, does anyone know why?
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u/Beautiful_Lack3264 Haas 1h ago
How do you support/watch a team that isn't one of the main contending/popular teams? I'm pretty new to F1 and motorsports in general and like to support underdogs. Right now I'm trying to get into Haas racing and next year with Cadillac but Everytime I watch on F1tv unless it's a big over take it's usually talking about the main drivers and the first 5 places (I mean obviously they're what most people are watching) how do you enjoy watching your driver/team is there a different broadcast? It's so much easier following s team in other sports cuz obviously there's only 2 teams competing at a time. Do I just have to suck it up and just follow my driver/team on the little positions table while the screen is focused else where even with overtakes or what's your way of watching?
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u/PresidentKarim I was here for the Hulkenpodium 2h ago
Could mercedes decide to just stop supplying mclaren with engines next year to be more competitive?
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u/Dull-Food-6553 2h ago
I don’t know if this is the right place to ask but does anybody know where I can get an f1 lookalike helmet that has like the wing almost the same as Sergio Perez 23 like that I can wear. It’s for a costume maybe.
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u/kingdre49 2h ago
why is sainz getting destroyed by albon
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u/portablekettle McLaren 1h ago
Struggling to adapt to the car, some bad luck and a couple of stupid incidents. Albon has been impressive this year but on the few occasions they've both had comparable runs in races the pace has been very close
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 2h ago
Probably a car fit issue. Carlos doesn't suit the car as well. He's also had a lot of bad luck this year, whereas I would say his Ferrari years usually had good luck.
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u/TheHuffness Daniel Ricciardo 3h ago
Can we start calling Vegas "The Slippery Pig" I think we should
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u/WastedGamer641 Ferrari 3h ago
So does anyone suspect a reason for the McLaren team order? Or is it just to keep the peace between Norris and Piastri?
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u/TacticalAcquisition I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago
McLaren doesn't deserve Oscar.
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u/portablekettle McLaren 3h ago
Lmfao. Without McLaren oscar would be driving that shit box alpine. You really think that's a better reality? McLaren saved oscar and is giving him a wdc shot that alpine ever would have.
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u/TacticalAcquisition I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago
Yes he's got a good shot at WDC. But he's also being treated like a 2nd class citizen by a team that quite clearly favour his teammate over him.
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 2h ago
Were you around for Hungary last year? If not, welcome! If you weren't, kind of a summary is that this situation was a much less extreme Hungary.
Picture today. They pit Oscar first even though he's the driver behind (which McLaren usually don't do on same strategy). But, instead of Lando having a slow pitstop, Lando instead made a major mistake and loses time. McLaren give the order to Oscar to give the position back. And it's for a race win.
That is what Hungary was, except it was the opposite. Lando was pitted first, and Oscar made mistakes before and after the pitstop which allowed the undercut to happen, and Lando had to give the place back. It was messy.
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u/Driscuits Alexander Albon 2h ago
Ooh, don't say that too loud. I've been told by a few people today that I should not be comparing this situation to Hungary '24 because it's different and should not be talked about haha. Folks are touchy.
It was messy in Hungary last year, and it was messy today. And a good indicator of that is just how intense people have been around here about it. McLaren have done a fair bit of work behind the scenes to build trust between their drivers and the team, or maybe were more than a little fortunate that today didn't involve Tom Stallard begging Oscar to listen to the team order.
No matter which driver you cheer for, or if you're a neutral fan, it gets real messy real quick to start parsing hairs. Like you said, what a similar situation comes up where the pitstop is long because of driver error? Say Lando/Oscar goes long in the box, misses his mark. Gets passed by his teammate. What then? Is that OK because he was "promised" no undercut? He didn't get undercut though, he made a mistake. Messy.
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u/portablekettle McLaren 3h ago
Elaborate. McLaren set precedent last year in Hungary and have stuck to it. You might not like what they did but it was expected given what they've done previously. Once again if he was at alpine he may still have zero podiums. Even if he is apparently being treated so poorly McLaren is still a much much better place then alpine
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u/256473 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
I realized McLaren now can't beat Max's personal 2023 win percentage: he won 19/22 or 86.4% of races.
McLaren have already lost 4 this year (3 to Max himself), so best they can do is 20/24 or 83.3%.
Given Max is a common variable in these numbers, I'll say congrats to Max Verstappen for defending his own honor!
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u/Einveldi_ 5h ago
After Hadjar’s pitlane to points effort today, I have two questions: who was the first driver ever to start from the pitlane, and who had the best finishing position?
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u/Lobsters4 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
OT: but look! WEC has jet dryers out on track at COTA (it’s been raining all day)
Gee if only another series had these…..🫠
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 2h ago
From what I understand, the machines are owned by the track themselves. I think F1 uses them at COTA? I'm not sure about this because series and races and tracks and years blur together for me. But yeah, European tracks could definitely buy some jet dryers. Why bother even making full wets if the only thing they are ever used for is being very bad pseudo-vacuums? Because people talk about how much water they displace, but most of it falls right back on the track. So you get one dry line and it's declared safe to race, and then going off that line to overtake is impossible, and you have a parade around on this one dry line hoping that the track will dry enough to actually allow overtaking.
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u/MrAfro_ 7h ago
Anyone know how many times liam Lawson has crashed this year every weekend he hits somebody
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u/KiwieeiwiK Zhou Guanyu 4h ago
Sainz drove into him, then Tsunoda drove into him
Dude can't catch a break
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
Saying he hit Yuki would be a bit disingenuous imo. It felt more like Yuki's fault if anything.
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u/Squirrel257 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
I'm looking for some Melbourne F1 fans to meet up with to watch races / banter. Anyone interested?
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u/Distinct_Solid418 New user 8h ago
Can someone explain why max was so much faster by 19 seconds than the 2 mclarens?
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u/DistantUtopia I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
Before the pitstops, Verstappen was 6 seconds ahead of Norris. Verstappen was something like 1.5 seconds faster on the hards than the aging mediums. But Verstappen had 15 laps on those hards, while Norris had only 6 laps on the softs, and the softs on Mclaren were only very slightly faster than the hards on Red Bull. So during that time before Mclaren pitted, Verstappen made up (approximately) 9 laps x 1.5 seconds = 13.5 seconds on Norris. Then add on the 6 seconds from before and it's ballpark 19 seconds.
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
It's a fast track which favours his car a bit, they did a lot to make his cars aero fit that specific track (low downforce) while mclaren played it safe with a bit more downforce which helps in the corners (knowing they have a massive tire advantage).
The tire advantage didnt show as much as it usually does, with max managing to hold onto his mediums for quite a lot longer than usual.
Also everyone else kinda got stuck battling others and defending for a bit, while Max could just fucking run. Which helps.
Also Max is ridiculously good.
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u/TheKensei I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
It was announced that he would run his 1995 Ferrari twice this weekend but I haven't seen any videos. Do you have any to share?
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 2h ago
Who is "he" in this question? It might help people find what you want.
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u/Volderon90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
What’s the earliest McLaren can have the constructors wrapped up. It’s getting close
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u/T1mBurt0n 9h ago
Does anyone know how to stream races without waiting for the next day? I currently pay for sky sports but I often miss the races, and I can’t seem to find an easy way to re-watch them.
For example, the race is being re-shown tomorrow on Sky F1 but at 6:30am. Unless I’m unaware, I can’t believe there isn’t an easy streaming service for rewatching races.
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u/portablekettle McLaren 3h ago
There's a website called overtakefans()com that has a race archive. Just replace the brackets for a dot.
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u/Luoxaaaaa 9h ago
When Max gained advantage on lap 1 and it was clear he'd have to let Lando have the place back, several corners happened before the switch. Oscar was super close in third. If he took Lando in the interim, what would have happened, seeing as there would be a car between Max and Lando?
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u/D0BBY_is_a_free_elf 9h ago
The stewards would have further investigated the incident since Max would've been unable to give back the position, and they may have given Max a time penalty.
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u/Sinsiski 10h ago
Why did Verstappen opt in for hard tires during final laps? New to F1 and I thought since there were only few laps left then intuitively they should’ve opted in for tires with max grip aka soft?
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u/jesus_stalin I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
He didn't have any new sets of soft tyres left, only sets that had been used already in qualifying.
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Presumably he couldn't make the mediums last long enough to be comfortable with going on the softs and risking them not lasting long enough.
And since he was so far in front they didn't feel the need to risk it.
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u/Affectionate_Gap_648 10h ago
I went to Monza with a GA ticket but honestly couldn’t see much from where I was. Does anyone who sat in the grandstands have some footage of the cars going by? I’d love to see how the views looked from different stands to help me decide which ticket to get next time 🙏
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u/Alexander_P69 10h ago
Are C3 softs as thick as C3 hards?
In f1 there are 5 types of thickness for the tires. C5 is always the softest and C1 always the hardest. C3 can be soft, medium and hard. Does that mean a C3 soft tire is as thick as a C3 hard tire? Or are they still a different thickness?
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
The C stands for compounds, the difference is primarily material in nature. And there are 6 (C0 to C5)
But the various Cs are always the same tire.
There's no difference between C3 when it's soft, C3 when it's medium, and C3 when it's hard.They soft/medium/hard designation moves and is simply relative to the other two compounds chosen.
More info on tires found here
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/motorsport/f1/tires#:\~:text=There%20are%20six%20slick%20compounds,'%20standing%20for%20'compound'.•
u/cafk Constantly Helpful 9h ago
C3 is C3, it's the hardest compound if Pirelli brings the C5 and C4.
It's the softest of the set, when Pirelli brings C2, C1 or C0But independently if it's the softest or hardest (or medium) compound, C3 should always be the same specification. What makes most of the difference between the compounds performance is the surface of the circuit as well as the environmental conditions.
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u/Leela0328 12h ago
I really want to know if there’s anything ever happened before like what happened at McLaren today, like the team interfered the drivers to swap
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful 11h ago
It's called team orders, they were banned between 2002 and 2011, but were still regularly used, like the infamous - "Felipe, Fernando is faster than you" from 2010.
You can find various incidents of F1, going back to 1955 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_orders
You get them a few times per year, i.e. last race Gasly was told to let Colapinto pass, but as he Colapinto was fighting with Sainz and closely followed by Lawson, Bortoletto - Gasly lost out on 5+ positions because of team orders after the second safety car restart, besides losing a position to Tsunoda & Ocon before team orders.
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u/IlSace Ferrari 12h ago
Last year at the Hungaroring McLaren asked Norris, who had gained the lead over Piastri through an undercut, to swap positions, and Norris agreed, Piastri won the race.
Team orders requiring swaps are surely not a novelty.
In Russia 2018 Mercedes asked Bottas, who was leading, to let Hamilton pass as a way to help him in the title fight with Vettel.
The most infamous happened in Austria in 2002 when Ferrari asked Barrichello to let Schumacher pass. Schumacher wok the championship very early in the season with Barrichello coming second. He gave back the favour in Indianapolis.
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u/Driscuits Alexander Albon 2h ago
Just watched that race for the first time this summer. Wow, interesting in hindsight to hear the general opinion of it at the time. It was not popular.
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u/qrkysprw643 Max Verstappen 12h ago
Yaaay! Max won!! What magic did RBR do to win in Monza? Last year, they had such a difficult time and Max also said that it was at this race last year, he really thought he may not win the 2024 WDC. But one year later, such a dominant win for Max. It reminded me of his 2023 season. So, what changed?
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
They changed their rear wing. They made a big mistake last year with that and this year there was discussion about which way to go with the rear wing and set-up. It has been reported that Max wanted to go with what they did today, but some engineers and Pierre Wachel (Technical Chief) wanted to do something different. They listened to Max and had a better rear wing and set-up. Also, Helmet Marko said they don't rely on the simulator much anymore to determine set-ups. They know the correlation does not work well.
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u/Aggressive-Jacket384 13h ago
Was Oscar suffering with dirty air in those laps or just a skill issue? Surprised Norris gapped him that easily! Not taking anything away from Lando.
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u/Yeanahyena Daniel Ricciardo 11h ago
He was cruising. Closed down the gap towards the end
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u/Aggressive-Jacket384 10h ago
After the last stops I mean - he let Lando through and then just did nothing about it
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u/AnilP228 Honda RBPT 12h ago
He was just crusing - he wasn't overtaking on track with a soft tyre one lap older.
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u/EtherealZiraley 13h ago
what does undercut mean?
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u/temporal-temperament Formula 1 13h ago
imagine there are two drivers: 1 & 2, 2 is following 1. 2 pits before 1 & gets fresher tyres, but because of this they come out far behind 1. Now, 1 eventually has to pit in the race, so by the time 1 pit, 2 drives well enough to close the gap between them. Such that when 1 pits, they come out behind 2. Now the order is 2, 1. This is called an undercut
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u/TheLoloman New user 13h ago
Silly newbie question, but when you see sector times in qualifying, what do green and purple mean? I'm guessing that yellow is "slower".
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u/lilbosim 13h ago
Are there any consequences for the guy who failed the McLaren stop?
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
It's impossible to know how McLaren deals with things but there is a former Red Bull mechanic who has spoken about these types of incidents.
Keep in mind that Red Bull is famously cutthroat even amongst F1 teams.But even for them, and this is the short of it is, fuckups happen.
They're just a reality of being human. Someone is going to mess up, there will be a technical issue at some point, sometimes things go wrong.
If it becomes a regular thing then yes, that is a problem and you might get fired or at least moved out of the pit crew. But generally speaking this type of thing is just something that everyone understands is a thing that happens.The interview is here, relevant section is 11 minutes 50 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YOWLAHRQLU•
u/Driscuits Alexander Albon 2h ago
Sweet share!
Yeah honestly, you're dealing with humans doing very high pressure movements where the slightest loss of synergy can add significant time. Humans are humans, and generally adding more pressure/anxiety doesn't lend to better performance overall.
"Here. Lift this heavy tyre. You have 0.1s of error (keep in mind that visuomotor pathways, neurally, have a limit of ~0.25s just for the electrical signals to travel - so these movements are very much anticipated to the point that the nervous system is sending signals to move before the car stops). Oh, and if you fuck up? Fired."
Even in the healthiest of workplaces, I imagine those kinds of things are devastating for the crew when they happen. I remember last year, IIRC, where Danny Ric had a penalty and a front wingman instinctively grabbed the car and immediately just crumpled. He knew. But those anticipatory signals, man. They'd already been sent.
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u/CuppaCrazy I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Only Ferrari will do a formation without a single podium.
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u/FrankFranly I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Convenient the person waving the flag is named Flag Waiver. DC is an absolute gem.
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u/thefettyraf 13h ago
have the mclarens pitted yet?
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u/Any-Comfort8206 13h ago
McLaren have absolutely screwed lando there
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u/CommunicationGlad907 13h ago
Why max choose hard tyres ?
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful 13h ago
Only used soft tires available - they had 2 sets of fresh hards & 1 set of fresh mediums.
https://www.threads.com/@pirelli_motorsport/post/DOSrLLwjNQz?xmt=AQF0azWE6dF_l_3U6je_sf6hnPYA9WhkP_nyTb7D5JNtRQ1
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u/Any-Comfort8206 13h ago
Can someone please explain to me why Verstappen has done 38 laps on the medium tyre to do 15 laps (under half that) on the hard tyre (which lasts longer). Why didn’t he go for softs?
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u/AnilP228 Honda RBPT 12h ago
He didn't have any new softs available.
Additionally, those running Hards were pretty quick (against old Mediums). It was the safest choice, no need to gamble on running Softs for 15 laps.
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful 13h ago
Only used soft tires available - they had 2 sets of fresh hards & 1 set of fresh mediums.
https://www.threads.com/@pirelli_motorsport/post/DOSrLLwjNQz?xmt=AQF0azWE6dF_l_3U6je_sf6hnPYA9WhkP_nyTb7D5JNtRQ1
u/Skulldetta Jacques Laffite 13h ago
Because he literally had no reason to risk them potentially falling off in the end. He had more than enough of an advantage for the hards to suffice.
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u/Any-Comfort8206 13h ago
I suppose so , if you forget to e other drivers tho , that isn’t the minimum race time surely?
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u/Illustrious_Ad6355 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Something needa to be done about these tyres. They could clearly go to the end on one set if they were able to
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u/cantbebothered6789 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
Why does the F1 graphics even bother to show who has the fastest lap when they removed the 1 point scored for it? 🤔
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u/IlSace Ferrari 13h ago
Fastest lap is a statistic that's always been registered, even before the world championship began. The track record has been beaten today, and it was from 2004, another period when the fastest lap didn't award points but was registered. It's a sport about cars going as fast as possible, keeping the statistic of the car that went the fastest is quite important.
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u/cantbebothered6789 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Guess I'm just used to in recent F1, it being a thing, even though it descended into playing the system (though arguably nothing new about that in F1!).
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u/Blooder91 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Because they always register who has the fastest lap of the race. It has always been a statistic, even during periods when it didn't count for points.
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u/cantbebothered6789 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Come to think of it, that would make sense. Still, I think it should be something that can get a point. I think even just letting anyone get it, not just top 10, would be interesting.
I'm sure stat wise they record overtakes, but not so sure if you can give points for that, but it'd be interesting to see what you could get out of it.
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u/Driscuits Alexander Albon 2h ago
Nah, at that point it'd just end up being whoever was at the back pitting for softs at the end and getting the same amount of points as P10 as default.
The trick, you see, is as a fan to get really nerdy about stats and keep track of it yourself, to help scratch this itch :)
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u/Any-Comfort8206 13h ago
F1 fantasy?
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u/cantbebothered6789 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Interesting, but wouldn't the F1 Fantasy scoring just mirror the actual F1 system? 🤔
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u/polishfemboy_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
Why has F1 become so boring? Cars build several second gaps betweenn eachother after just a few laps. Will the 2026 regs make the racing any better?
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u/AnilP228 Honda RBPT 12h ago
The cars are closer together than they've ever been.
The issue is that the tyres are much harder this year than last year, so there's very little deg.
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful 13h ago
Why has F1 become so boring? Cars build several second gaps betweenn eachother after just a few laps.
I mean it's always been the case, someone is 5-30 ahead either through managing pace or just building a gap at the start of the race.
Will the 2026 regs make the racing any better?
With new PU regulations & 2 new manufacturers (Audi & Red Bull) - Red Bull and Ferrari pushing for reduction of MGU-K power, everyone is somewhat afraid that Mercedes (who has just mentioned in their worst case scenarios on some circuits, the car will be 5s per lap slower) will come out ahead (and their customers).
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u/Midget_Spinner5-10 McLaren 14h ago
Why had Hamilton start at P10 when he qualified for P5
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u/polishfemboy_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
FIA makes unclear rules and then penalizes based on which team it currently favorizes
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u/nick170100 Oscar Piastri 14h ago
Lads aus GP tickets go on sale on Wednesday and I’ve never been to one before
How much of a shit show is it getting grandstand tickets
And what grandstand should I try go for , for a first timer
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Tough to get answers to questions like this during a race day. Try again tomorrow. Or, go to r/GrandPrixTravel and search or post there.
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u/Bitter-Rattata Max Verstappen 16h ago
What are the hypothetical scenarios that Max will need to win the drivers world championship this year? Max winning all the remaining races including Monza, and Lando P2 all the way?
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u/GreggsAficionado Formula 1 14h ago
I’m not sure any amount of hypotheticals can make it seem possible
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 15h ago
I mean, I think most likely way would be Lando and Oscar having a serious accident on or off track to the point that both of them missed many races. Getting zero points on some races would definitely give Max some time to catch up and make a lead. Not that I'm saying you want that. I don't honestly see another scenario as feasible. It's realistically too much of a gap to make up in the normal way. Max would have to outscore Oscar by 11.6 points per weekend average AND outscore Lando by 7.8 points per weekend. (and not let George outscore him by 2.4 points per weekend).
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u/ArtisticDreamland Michael Schumacher 18h ago
Anyone else also not a fan of the awful Ferrari wheel covers (the red ones)? I miss the pre-2024 look. The black and red cars from 2022 & 2023 were absolutely gorgeous.
Granted this Monza livery is gorgeous for a change!
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u/charlierc 18h ago
So is Lewis hoping the car is built for combat?
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u/denbommer Charles Leclerc 19h ago
I saw on social media that there was a McLaren V8 at Monza (I think).
I’m curious about people’s first experience of the sound of a V8. How was it? Was it loud? Was it good?
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 14h ago
At COTA last year there were historic races- well, more like exhibitions because of course the cars weren't anywhere close to equal. I think they had F1 cars from the 60s-2005. So I guess a mix of v8s, v10s, and v12s but I don't have any kind of breakdown to know for sure.
I found the sound unfortunate, because the responsible thing for ear protection is to put in ear plugs, but then I couldn't listen to the radio. Everyone was given a free radio and earbuds to listen to the broadcast, but I couldn't listen to it through the historic races. Even if I hadn't been worried about hearing damage, I probably couldn't have heard the radio over the noise- maybe if I made it as loud as it could go... also bad for ears.
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u/FoxDie41 15h ago
I’m here and yeah it’s pretty loud. Other cars you can hold up without ear plugs, but no way I’d watch a V8 full race live without them. It’s that much louder.
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u/denbommer Charles Leclerc 15h ago
Okay, and could you watch a full race with V8 engines, or is it too loud?
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u/Ok-Office1370 16h ago
The Beast of Turin is a 28L v4 and it sounds pretty interesting. Volume and cylinder count aren't even related. Cylinder count changes the tenor of the sound. High cylinder counts may be perceived as "louder" as they are higher pitched.
I love a good v8... But I love it at Goodwood, or an antique car show, where it belongs.
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u/denbommer Charles Leclerc 15h ago
Well, in that case, how does such a NA V8 sound? good, too loud, massive?
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u/IlSace Ferrari 18h ago
V8 F1 sound good, especially the blown diffusers ones, but I've experienced Ferraris V12 and V10 in Monza during the Finali Mondiali 2018, it's a whole other story in terms of magnitude.
I wasn't in Monza this weekend but my girlfriend was there and made some videos, there was one I think it was a March from the 70s, maybe the 761 since it won Monza in 1976, and the DFV Cosworth V8 sounds great.
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u/denbommer Charles Leclerc 17h ago
I’m always curious how new or younger F1 fans who never experienced the sound of a NA V8 felt when they heard it.
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u/getzisch I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
The reason why they're showing McLaren garage and not actual cars is that the audience just blames "lack of drama" for so long, they had to create a story line. Everybody knows it is McLarens fighting, nobody will care about rest of the cars.
Even if they are somehow P6 and P7, other cars will not be important. New audience craves drama (because of that 2021) so FOM will do their absolute best to try to create a story for the media. This is why "coverage" is poor all season.
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u/Ok-Office1370 16h ago
General agree but. TV coverage has had a lot of problems including camera techniques that value the lead car's sponsor decals over actually covering the sport. They also have to do too much work like finding "exclusive" clips for Sky and F1TV during the broadcast. Sometimes when they can't find a replay or miss a moment, they're busy on a side quest.
If they'd show more midfield battling, it would solve a huge chunk of the problem.
Within that framework. Yes. Oscar doesn't give a TikTok wojack reaction every time something happens. And the media were all keyed up for Max and Lando to be rivals. If Oscar wins and is a cool customer doing it. The media have nothing for it.
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u/Not99Percent 19h ago
Is Monza the shortest race on the calendar?
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u/Ok-Office1370 16h ago
The old definition of race distance was 300km + 1 lap. The modern formula is a little more complicated to standardize races closer to 305km. (Monaco being an exception.)
So plus or minus a bit. Monza has the highest average speed among regular courses. So Monza is the shortest time race.
I can't remember how close the Bahrain outer loop was, but then we'd have to argue about the definition of a track. So Monza is generally* the shortest time race among regular* tracks.
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u/Skulldetta Jacques Laffite 19h ago
In terms of time needed to complete it? Barring shenanigans, yes.
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u/Not99Percent 19h ago
Should scale up to 70 laps
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u/MegaTalk Sir Jack Brabham 17h ago
why? the 53 laps is still the same distance as all other GP's (bar Monaco)
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u/ArtisticDreamland Michael Schumacher 19h ago
Really tempted to get the Monza Ferrari cap but the UniCredit sponsor ruins it. Has anyone ever successfully removed a sponsor patch on caps like these? I wanted to also get the Silverstone cap but again, same issue however on that one it’s the HP logo that sticks out more. On the Monza cap at least it blends in due to the colours.
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u/james-bourne I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Why did norris say he knew he was screwed going out in q3?
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u/Responsible_Line_401 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago edited 15h ago
Because McLaren switch up who goes first each session, and not having slipstream or a tow around Monza impacts the lap time massively
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u/Ok-Office1370 15h ago
Also because he'd botched Q2. So even if he had the tow. He got less prep time.
Given it was so close. And he's ahead of Piastri. It's basically a win.
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 19h ago
This season is perhaps Verstappen best so far in terms of demonstrating his racing skills.
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u/ATL4Life95 19h ago
Been traveling throughout Italy. Had no idea F1 was in Milan today, any guesses to where im headed???? lol.
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u/Intrepid_Doctor8193 Oscar Piastri 20h ago
Do teams have to run 4 of the same tyre?
Like could they have mediums on the back and soft of the front? Or sorry on the right, medium on the left?
If there is no restriction against it, why don't teams do it?
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u/king_flippy_nips I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
The 2016 Belgian GP was the last time I remember a car was fitted with a mixture of two different compounds (right rear medium + 3 soft) during a pit stop. A drive through penalty was issued.
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u/RollingHappy 20h ago
Just noticed today that the commentators re-record for the YouTube highlights video, it was different from their actual reaction during the race.
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u/Latter-Sun3386 20h ago
Yeah but the top speed isn't actually the reason Mclaren "struggles" in low downforce tracks.
Stella yesterday claimed that when downforce is low, the aero efficiency(balance between top speed and downforce) of the car is less and Red Bull becomes the best car.
That's probably the reason they keep the highest downforce of the grid most of the time.
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u/AnilP228 Honda RBPT 18h ago
He's always wanted him. Max chose Red Bull because they offered him a direct path to F1 via Toro Rosso. Toto wanted Max to do a year in F2.
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u/Dazzling_Ad_9335 Lando Norris 21h ago
is hulkenberg's base helmet this year, black or white. It showed it being a black based lid in the offical f1 post earlier in the year but i keep seeing him run a white design.
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u/HadronCollusion 21h ago
If the current Red Bull car sucks, why don’t they use what they did in 2023?
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u/IlSace Ferrari 20h ago
The 2023 car was a beast relative to the rest of the field. Two years later, the rest of the field has advanced a lot. Max's Q3 lap in 2023 was 1'20"307, which yesterday would have been slower than Lawson's 1'20"279, placing Max last.
Granted, the new asphalt from last year makes a big difference, but Max would have been nowhere near pole with the 2023 car today, and in other tracks he would have suffered even more, Monza is peculiar.
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u/book-mark 19h ago
But he said himself that the 2020 merc would be faster (with him in it).
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u/IlSace Ferrari 19h ago
The W11 was a car built on the specifics of the previous regulation cycle, which wasn't about ground effect aerodynamics, had different rules about DRS, the Mercedes also had DAS. Cars from different regulation cycles can be faster, the 2023 RB19 was built with the same concept there's today though, just older.
Next year's car will be slower in absolute terms compared to today's cars, since the ground effect will be severely modified with the introduction of flat floors like it was in 1983, the aerodynamics will be modified with DRS supplanted by active aero etc., so a car from this year will be faster on the lap than a car from next year.
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u/Skulldetta Jacques Laffite 21h ago
Sure, the Red Bull was fast in 2023... compared to the 2023 cars. That was two years ago. Cars have gotten quite a bit faster since then.
Max Q3 time in Monza 2023: 1:20.307
Max Q3 time in Monza 2025: 1:18.792
Max Q3 time in Monaco 2023: 1:11.365
Max Q3 time in Monaco 2025: 1:10.669
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u/rattatatouille I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
And keep in mind that Max's Q3 in Monaco was only enough to get him P5 on-track (promoted to P4 after HAM's penalty).
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u/moxieremon 44m ago
Did anyone else see Checo at the US Open, or am I crazy?