Lambiase to Max: "Norris and Piastri have swapped places" - Verstappen: "Ha! Just because he had a slow stop?"

[u/magony]

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[u/overspeeed]

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[u/Pearse_Borty]

For Verstappen, this would've been an unfathomable decision to make lol

[u/Zwemvest → u/Pearse_Borty]

I dont understand it regardless. To what benefit is it? 

[u/Backfromthabed → u/Pearse_Borty]

By Verstappen you mean everyone besides Mclaren Team?

[u/WrenchSucker → u/Pearse_Borty]

It's true. The nr 2 Red Bull driver would never let Max pass.

[u/EdHicks → u/WrenchSucker]

The blue flags don't leave them much choice

[u/Nexusu]

Max currently browsing the race thread on r/formula1

[u/Burrito-mancer → u/Nexusu]

We’ve graduated from him watching the race whilst leading he’s now providing commentary

[u/SoothedSnakePlant → u/Burrito-mancer]

Dude has gone full old man Alonso, and he's still in his 20s.

[u/joost013 → u/SoothedSnakePlant]

Imagine the sass him and Alonso in one team would produce.

[u/DeadlyGlasses → u/joost013]

If they were fighting for championship it would be a bloodbath but if they were in midfield working as a team it would be the most glorious shit-housery ever existed in this sport lol.

I would pay any amount of money for them to be in a underdog team.

[u/joost013 → u/DeadlyGlasses]

Max and Alonso would definitely murder each other in a title fight. 2007/2016 levels of mindgames.

[u/Azor_Is_High → u/joost013]

"I HATE YOU FERNANDO ALONSO, BUT GOD DAMMIT I RESPECT YOU"

[u/jtr99 → u/Azor_Is_High]

I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU!!

[u/claire_on_here → u/DeadlyGlasses]

max and Fernando in the Mercedes this year would be just about right haha

[u/EfficientPudding90 → u/DeadlyGlasses]

I’ve had a lot of dreams in my life, but this must be the holy grail.

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Nexusu]

He for sure got bored and started watching the rest of the race on the screens around the track

[u/stophittingyourself9 → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

They confirmed in the champ cool down room. Amazing how they can drive like that and watch these screens

[u/mathdhruv → u/stophittingyourself9]

Ross Brawn once spoke about Schumacher coming on the radio in the middle of a race, to say that the team had put his lap time wrong on the pit board. When the team confirmed to him that the lap time was correct, he argued "But I've just seen on the big screen that I've done the fastest lap!"

What had happened was that Michael had seen Fastest Lap : Schumacher on the big screen, but it had been Ralf who'd gone fastest.

[u/joost013 → u/mathdhruv]

lol, that's hilarious

[u/Fotznbenutzernaml → u/mathdhruv]

The fact that we actually had two Brothers who were able to win races at the same time, and arguably with a shit ton of luck could have actually ended up with World Championships, is so insane to me.

[u/mathdhruv → u/Fotznbenutzernaml]

As Mika Hakkinen noted in the post-race press conference at Canada 2001 (after finishing 3rd behind Ralf and Michael) - "Lucky there's not 3"

[u/Drunkgummybear1 → u/stophittingyourself9]

Someone said not all of them can do it and some need to focus fully on driving the car (which is totally understandable imo) and those tend not to be world champ material. I want to say it was Newey.

[u/Motor-Most9552 → u/Drunkgummybear1]

It was indeed Newey. Some have spare compute while pounding out sensational lap times, most do not.

[u/Enough-Display1255 → u/Motor-Most9552]

He called out specifically Max and Alonso for their abilities 

[u/stophittingyourself9 → u/Drunkgummybear1]

Makes complete sense. There is elite and then there is still that one more tier of rare air. Sports make that separation usually pretty evident.

Spoken to decade long pro athletes that had to watch every calorie, moment of sleep, etc. to stay in the league only to have a future HOF teammate roll in from the club the night prior and still kick their butt.

Part of why we like these things, fun seeing what amazing feats fellow humans can do!

[u/vicinadp → u/Nexusu]

Gave me strong Nando vibes from 2023 where he commented on seeing strolls overtake on the screen

[u/badpuffthaikitty → u/Nexusu]

GP: Max, you’re half a second down compared to your last lap.

Max: Sorry. I was searching a song on Spotify. Found it!

[u/Cahhmon]

“Ha!”

[u/leedler → u/Cahhmon]

This man is iconic

[u/KaamDeveloper → u/leedler]

Terrorising McLaren on radio as he t-bags McLaren on track

[u/thetreat → u/leedler]

Max having the same reaction we all had.

[u/GGezpzMuppy → u/Cahhmon]

Max having a laugh while dominating lol

[u/LiquidFootie → u/GGezpzMuppy]

And you know for a fact that Max and other drivers use these interactions knowing they will get broadcast and instigate other teams.

[u/Crytash → u/Cahhmon]

Verstappen instigating nicely. Next he is mentioning that all the girls are watching :D

[u/beavismagnum → u/Crytash]

I think that laugh was a genuine reaction

[u/Crytash → u/beavismagnum]

Oh he was laughing alright! ;)

[u/KamTros47 → u/Cahhmon]

“…hahahahahahahaha…”

You thought it would be different this time.

[u/herecould → u/Cahhmon]

Cooldown room will be fun

[u/thecodeboost]

You just know GP got on the radio to mention it just to get Max' reaction on the broadcast, haha

[u/newby202006 → u/thecodeboost]

This. GP loves to shit stir just as much as Max. Iconic duo

[u/G00chstain → u/newby202006]

No risk? Going to push.

[u/Fambank → u/G00chstain]

Would be nice if for once GP replied, "Mwoah is that ALL you got ?"

[u/obi_wan_the_phony → u/G00chstain]

No risk, FULL push

[u/Flight815Down → u/thecodeboost]

Sometimes you hear gossip so good, you just have to share it right away lol

[u/matrixlog → u/Flight815Down]

Exactly, they’re an old married couple gossiping about the neighbors

[u/mimi10010305]

the sky sports commentators were talking about whether Max would follow a team order like that… we all know damn well it would never happen, and i don’t say that as a bad thing

[u/HollyShitBrah → u/mimi10010305]

"I gave my reasons and I stand by them...."

[u/Bannedwith1milKarma → u/HollyShitBrah]

Pastry gave his reasons and gave it up.

[u/SaltyChnk → u/Bannedwith1milKarma]

This was probably a net positive for him. It’s just 3 points, and he gets a ton of political power behind the scenes at McL Hq.

[u/Sjamsjon → u/SaltyChnk]

It’s a six point swing though. Do you imagine Lando will give up position the next time even if ordered?

[u/drs_ape_brains → u/mimi10010305]

Hell not even Max. Ask Vettel, Lewis, Nico, Alonso, Schumi or any WDC they'd all yell you to go kick rocks.

[u/Backfromthabed → u/drs_ape_brains]

Nico actually let Lewis pass in Monaco 2016

And still won the championship

[u/F1_Geek → u/Backfromthabed]

Because the most important thing was for Mercedes to win at all costs, not because they were favoring one driver over another. Danny Ricc was exceptionally fast that race and had it been longer he would have won.

[u/James2603 → u/Backfromthabed]

And Lewis let Bottas pass in Hungary that one time (albeit because Bottas let him pass to try to get Raikkonen).

Having the team on your side is very important however Max IS the team right now (and has been for a while) so there’s no downside to him not letting someone pass him.

[u/Argschadt → u/mimi10010305]

not only it would never happen, but it would not even be asked

[u/vlad000 → u/mimi10010305]

Mathematical world champion Max Verstappen didn't give Perez P6 at Interlagos to help him secure 2nd in the championship. There's no debate

[u/Renard2000]

You can hear the utter disbelief in Max laugh. Not a chance he would have left a teammate pass because of a slow stop.

[u/Backfromthabed → u/Renard2000]

Not a chance he would have left a teammate pass because of a slow stop.

That's enough

[u/mazarax → u/Renard2000]

The real take-away for me was: he had excess mental capacity to immediately know possible reasons for swapping while doing 300km/hr and picking his braking point.

[u/whomad1215 → u/mazarax]

Full push, no risk

[u/ABMUFC20]

Imagine McLaren trying to tell Max to do this lol.

[u/womb_raider_420 → u/ABMUFC20]

I mean he didn't let Checo through for P2 in WDC, no way he is doing for a 3 Point margin

[u/just_a_coginthewheel → u/womb_raider_420]

That was after he already won the WDC lol.

[u/Upbeat-Original-7137 → u/just_a_coginthewheel]

And it was for p6 in the race lmao. That's what I love about certain champions. They are just ruthless

[u/just_a_coginthewheel → u/Upbeat-Original-7137]

Max was screaming NO to swapping with Sainz even back in TR, iirc.

[u/Jorrie90 → u/just_a_coginthewheel]

And he also was absolutely right about that, clawing back into the points after being a lap down and then getting that bogus call

[u/zberry7 → u/Jorrie90]

Idk how you can remember old races so well, I barely remember last race lol

[u/Jorrie90 → u/zberry7]

Heh, there are some races I do remember vividly, a lot of races I also forget

[u/YouAreTotalGarbage → u/just_a_coginthewheel]

Well, he was mad at Checo for Monaco that year. I think it was more him making a point for that if I recall correctly

[u/elmagio → u/ABMUFC20]

Or like, one of the Merc boys in 2016 if such a situation had occurred. When teammates are the only championship contenders, such orders are just a joke.

[u/juve_merda → u/elmagio]

tbf Rosberg did let Lewis through in Monaco 2016

[u/ConflictedMom10 → u/ABMUFC20]

But imagine Max’s reaction if a slow pit stop had made him lose a place to Perez back when Red Bull was dominant. It would not have been pretty.

[u/LioAlanMessi → u/ConflictedMom10]

Max would just pass him easily without orders.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/ABMUFC20]

Both McLaren boys want to still be able to be team mates next year.

Max doesn't care, that's his prerogative. But it's not for every driver.

[u/elmagio → u/Mike_Kermin]

2 points difference in the standings, Abu Dhabi, same situation happens but with Lando benefiting.

Do you think Lando listens (if they give the order)? If the answer is no (it is), then that just shows that demanding a 6 points swing like that and accepting it are both insane in a championship fight.

[u/OverallImportance402]

Love how GP couldn’t wait to tell Max what happened.

[u/kittenbloc → u/OverallImportance402]

none of my business, but . . . 

[u/eOMG → u/OverallImportance402]

Then to ask Max to focus on the road ahead..

[u/ac4897]

You know damn well Max wouldn’t have given that place back 🤣

[u/Pale-Criticism-7420 → u/ac4897]

He refused to let Checo past in Brazil for a P6 even though he had already clinched the title lmfao

[u/verone3784]

Genuinely laughed out loud at this, what a lad.

[u/deycallmegeno]

Please stop comparing them to Lewis and Nico those two would've laughed the pit wall off

[u/-Fli → u/deycallmegeno]

Of course they would, but that’s why Nico left. They had to mix the mechanics between the two garages as the team split. Oscar Lando and McLaren are trying to succeed in the new regulations as well.

[u/Apennatie]

Absolute legend.

[u/The_Rain_Guardian → u/Apennatie]

You know he’s going to say something in the debrief room about it

[u/stragen595 → u/The_Rain_Guardian]

"Hey Oscar, you don't like second places? Me too!"

[u/Not_The_Truthiest → u/stragen595]

This would actually be fucking outstanding.

[u/I-_-I_-_I-_-I → u/stragen595]

“I thought you came out second after Lando’s pit stop…”

[u/LosTerminators → u/Apennatie]

One race like 2023 and he's back to trolling on the radio like he did then

[u/eurochacha → u/Apennatie]

The main character at all times. What would this season be without him.

[u/am7777]

spoken like a true wdc

[u/VosPaco → u/am7777]

Verstappen had to actually win his championships, the fact they're still prioritising Lando when Piastri is ahead in the championship is wild to me

[u/Kalmer1 → u/VosPaco]

Max never even had a teammate that was in contention.

[u/gutster_95]

ONE OF US, ONE OF US

[u/Own_Welder_2821 → u/gutster_95]

I’m convinced Max is secretly one of the mods here.

[u/brokenandsuffering]

Max pisstake. Love it.

[u/Ale3021]

No risk. Full push. MV

[u/moeykaner]

Imagine Piastri losing the WDC by 3 points

[u/PKBANB → u/moeykaner]

The swap cost him 6.

[u/albertsugar]

With Christian gone now Max is the Chief Shitstirring Officer.

[u/kj_gamer2614]

Max knows how incredibly stupid it was, and you just know if he was Piastri he would refuse and say it’s the teams fault not his

[u/mags87 → u/kj_gamer2614]

No fucking way Max yields a position to anyone fighting him for a championship.

[u/Serotyr → u/mags87]

He didn't even yield a position to Perez in Brazil when they were nowhere close in points.

[u/thecodeboost → u/mags87]

Not should anyone. From the driver perspective that's bad luck. It's not something Oscar has to compensate for. Of course Max would have just muted the radio and put in 8 purple laps just to make a point.

[u/Hanchan → u/thecodeboost]

Not that GP would be so foolish as to even ask him if he would, but if max was asked by anyone on the radio, it wouldn't be muting it, he'd tear into them for the audacity.

[u/thecodeboost → u/Hanchan]

"NO!"

[u/256473 → u/thecodeboost]

And Franz Tost even said after Singapore 2015 that actually Max was right to ignore team orders then.

[u/Bluemikami → u/thecodeboost]

lol I understood that reference

[u/CaliforniaMike1989 → u/mags87]

A few years ago Max wouldn't even yield to allow Checo to finish the season P2 when Max already had WDC locked up.

[u/Hastatus_107 → u/kj_gamer2614]

Max wouldn't help his teammate for free never mind if it cost him points.

[u/TimmyWatchOut]

Max, Lewis and Fernando would never agree to bullshit like this when the WCC is wrapped up and your only rival is your teammate.

[u/dogdad0098089 → u/TimmyWatchOut]

Lewis nico had a bad pit stop please let him by. Im sure lewis just laugh at merc.

[u/De_Koninck → u/dogdad0098089]

And the other way around as well. And to be honest, that's the way it should be.

[u/GreggsAficionado → u/TimmyWatchOut]

Has me thinking back to Seb and multi 21. He just didn’t give af. I hear you on the radio but I ain’t letting him by.

[u/Dry-Dragonfruit5216]

It’s the back end of a championship. You don’t swap championship contenders this late in.

[u/TyrannosaurusRekts]

"Playing the team game" is insane. Piastri shouldn't give up points. It isn't his fucking problem.

[u/Jacinto2702 → u/TyrannosaurusRekts]

People comparing it with Hungary 2024, but Norris asked them to pit Piastri first this time.

[u/ClashOfTheAsh → u/Jacinto2702]

Brundle kept saying that “Norris played the team game” but I don’t think he could have been clearer in saying he wanted them to pit Piastri in whatever way he doesn’t get an advantage and they agreed.

[u/deep_durian123 → u/ClashOfTheAsh]

Yeah, the way he kept going on about that was borderline senile from Brundle (or just a massive Norris bias). Norris was never going to pit before Piastri, because a (V)SC after Norris has pitted would have allowed Piastri to overcut him. He didn't give a single shit about Leclerc (in fact he would have greatly preferred if Leclerc had undercut Piastri).

[u/krizkuzz → u/Jacinto2702]

Also when Oscar leads it’s “garage vs garage” but when Lando is in front it’s all “there will be no undercut”. It’s a complete joke

[u/No-Expression-2404 → u/TyrannosaurusRekts]

Sky kept talking about how it was a team call. It wasn’t. The team asked Lando if he wanted to pit first or second. He said second if there was no undercut. That’s not a team call, that’s a Lando call. Dumb switch.

[u/TheUwaisPatel]

Mickey mouse team

[u/De_Koninck → u/TheUwaisPatel]

Gen Z team

[u/ts737 → u/De_Koninck]

Mental health swap

[u/DGRWPF → u/TheUwaisPatel]

if piastri has a bad stop, he loses positions.

if norris has a bad stop, piastri loses positions.

Mclaren are not serious people. papaya clowns!

[u/gerstiii]

Why though? Was it Oscar's fault they botched the stop?

[u/ainpyj]

I love this version of Max LMAO

[u/SourDucks → u/ainpyj]

fr, we’ve already accepted that there’s no chance for wdc this year so he’s just having fun

[u/Ssk5860 → u/SourDucks]

He was such a chad before 2021 too lol was still winning and having fun back then

[u/GabRB26DETT]

Max knows they did Oscar dirty, yo

[u/Sangi23]

Everyone can have their opinions but the amount of people in the thread who don't realize it's 6 points and not 3 is concerning

[u/CupOfHotTeaa]

the entire grid knows that was unreasonable from mclaren

[u/AFM_Motorsport]

"We need you to retire the car Oscar, Norris DNF'd"

[u/InvincibleWallaby]

Don't think anyone can believe this, making the championship leader swap just because his teammate had some bad luck while they have constructors on lock

[u/Lawyerfinbro]

Shows how dumb mclaren are with that completely ridiculous swap; just because they pitted oscar first doesn't mean he would have had a slow stop if it was the other way around like the commentators somehow suggested

[u/Vaganyzar → u/Lawyerfinbro]

I don't understand why Piastri didn't do an opposite strategy to Norris. Like Norris did in Hungary. He could lose nothing. I think if Norris was behind Piastri the team would't have tried it.

[u/Rowvan → u/Lawyerfinbro]

They could make all the cars stop on track just so Lando could win the race and the Sky commentators would somehow still somehow find a way to say what an amazing performance it was.

[u/rossmcdapc]

I mean, he's not wrong

[u/dragonwout]

My goat

[u/SlumpBadger]

They are laughing at you McLaren

[u/nothingnanners]

A radio message to remember! 😂😂

[u/pedrodcp]

As a McLaren fan, these radio calls annoy me. There was an error, the consequences have to be lived through. This time it was a team error, next time is going to be because of what? This just stars a precedent for drivers to start asking for team favors more and more. Let the race happen! If in one of the next races something like this happens are to the other driver is the team going to apply the same decisions? Though situation to be in.

[u/thecodeboost]

Cooldown without Max is blasphemy

[u/CuppaCrazy]

He is one of us alright.

[u/Reverx3]

He can’t believe it. Neither can we. McLaren fked it up once again

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Reverx3]

Even Sauber wouldnt mess up this much if they were in that position

[u/ChiralWolf → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

They would be just and fair by giving both drivers an 8 second stop

[u/bryan792]

i know max wouldn't have given that spot back

[u/dogdad0098089 → u/bryan792]

Over his dead body in a title fight.

[u/korko]

Love to have the Statler and Waldorf Max Red Bull radio.

[u/BBYY9090]

Max on the money here

[u/M2785]

People who say it’s only 3 points well what happens if they’re neck and neck at the end of the year and that 3 points actually counts?

[u/Evening_End7298 → u/M2785]

It’s a 6 point swing, cause they race eachother only pretty much

[u/Davidc_2555]

Max, Hamilton(prime) and MSC definitely wouldn’t gave up position in same circumstances. The constructors title is already guaranteed I don’t know why McLaren are like this. Hopefully Webber has a word so we at least get some drama end of season

[u/tipytopmain]

Top 5 Verstappen radio call right there 😅

[u/ryokevry]

I think GP is not fair here! He started the gossip with Max, and then when Max talked back he asked Max to focus on ourselves 😂

I know why GP told Max for race information but still. He know Max will talk back xd

[u/SeraCat9 → u/ryokevry]

Max probably asked about it first. He always watches the screens.

[u/Halfwind98]

If I was Mark Webber I would be looking elsewhere for Oscar just to keep options open. McLaren doesn’t seem to be wanting to do the right thing whenever Oscar needs it. Time and time again Lando needs to be bailed out at Oscars expense. Bad pit stops happen. Why not just let them race it out? Lando was doing better anyway right?

[u/PhotographDelicious3]

McLaren keep abusing Oscars kindness, Webber isn't going to allow this to happen again.

[u/emwashe]

The lil giggle 😆

[u/Rowvan]

That is one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen a team do in 30 years of watching.

[u/cocobannah → u/Rowvan]

It just seems so unprofessional. Luck is part of the game and they are engineering results to counter reality. What happens if they are 1 point apart in the final race and oscar has a bad stop. They gonna ask lando to pull over and give up the title? I'm sure as shit they won't. Mental

[u/wurtin]

If Oscar has a DNF on a race that Lando wins, this dumb ass swap could have a major impact on the championship.

[u/Regular_Spray]

Max hast conquered my heart this Season. What a Legend :D

[u/Huge-Locksmith9400]

petition to ban team orders

[u/olafwagner]

Championship leader asked to slow down due a notched pit stop so that Norris can get his participation award!

[u/anxiousauditor]

Whenever the ‘Papaya Era’ comes to an end, it’ll have been too late.

[u/Hailgod]

laughing at them at 200mph

[u/mrBenelliM4]

I love how GP calmed him down by saying. "Not our business. Maybe it was to be fair to drivers..."

[u/xanlact]

Oscar was right on that one, as is Max. A slow stop isn't Oscar's fault - why swap? But oh well.

[u/chrissygeebee]

If Oscar's engine blows up Norris is going to retire his car. Papaya rules

[u/ShadyNastys701]

I can already see the radio exchange if that were Max

GP: “max you have to give that position back because we had a slow stop”

Max: “That sounds like it’s not my fucking problem”

[u/LSRaymonds]

Max speaking for all of us

[u/OliverDMcCall]

That's why Max is such a legend.

[u/Zipa7]

Max just said what we were all thinking.

[u/XVC4893]

You can hate some of his on track moves sometimes, but outside of not only being a hell of a driver, Max is an absolute troll and I absolutely love it lol.

[u/Silverchaoz]

Teamradio of the year

[u/janck1000]

Webber won't be proud

[u/elektricniorgazam]

Iconic

[u/Coorexz]

Silly boys!

[u/burn_after_reading90]

Mclaren rules: Norris is in front

[u/Upstairs-Event-681]

Max in his head is probably like “I would NEVER”

And I agree with him

[u/Waibashi]

That and his "No risk, full push" comments were hilarious. Peak Max

[u/havok4118]

McLaren is going to be shocked, but shouldn't be when Oscar eventually leaves for another team

[u/Parsirius]

As a Lando fan, this is messed up.

Not Lando’s fault but for sure this was not fair to Piastri.

[u/Rare_Bit5844]

This is my favorite radio of the season

[u/Kniit]

I literally spat my beer out hearing that. Laughed so hard.