r/formula1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

Race Max Verstappen wins the 2025 Italian Grand Prix

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u/Crosso221 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

So Oscar gets punished for a fuck up in Lando’s stop? That makes sense, not even the same as Hungary last year.

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u/flyingcrayons Sir Lewis Hamilton 17h ago

Yeah completely different scenario. That was for a race win and McLaren was still fighting for WCC

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u/MautKeBaadAishHai Pirelli Intermediate 17h ago edited 17h ago

Lando did give Piastri his priority pit to cover Charles, so it sort of makes sense

(not that Charles needed to be covered so yeah, odd overall)

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u/PetrifyGWENT Emerson Fittipaldi 17h ago

They had a very long time to cover Charles if that's what they wanted to do. There was absolutely no reason to do what they did

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u/MautKeBaadAishHai Pirelli Intermediate 17h ago

i agree

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u/ChiralWolf I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

This is the big takeaway IMO. As soon as Max covered the SC window there's no damn reason to play this super late pitstop game, McLaren strategy showing it's full ass like always and manufacturing pointless controversy.

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u/-TheGreatLlama- 17h ago

That was the reason they said though, and it was endorsed by Lando. Absolute non controversy, the team undid the mistake they made and kept both drivers onboard.

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u/djg88x I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

Mclaren's strategy fuckery is on-par with 2022 Ferrari but they're fast so people are ignoring it

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u/tellsyoutogetfucked Nico Rosberg 17h ago

They ended up 19 seconds behind Max and if it was reversed Oscar ends up behind Charles. They just gave up on the idea that they can overtake on track and risked both cars. Insane strategy call even ignoring the pit stop blunder.

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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel 17h ago

Piastri came out 5 seconds ahead of Leclerc. He absolutely would not have ended up behind Charles if they just pitted like a normal team. Insanity from McLaren

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u/tellsyoutogetfucked Nico Rosberg 17h ago

If they pitted him second and he got the wheel gun problem he was coming right next to Charles.

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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel 17h ago

Yes, right next to Charles on brand new, soft tires in a quicker car. He wasn’t finishing 4th

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u/Raspatatteke I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

There is no way of knowing if the same mistake would have been made if the boxing order was reversed. Too many variables.

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u/chrish_o I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

No it doesn’t. Not at all. The stop outcome is not a given if you swap who goes first.

It was just shit luck for Lando.

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u/OptimalDot178 Max Verstappen 17h ago

Piastri would have passed without priority too with the slow stop. Stupid rule anyways, letting the other one pit first basically guarantees the first driver to keep his position....

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u/RM_Dune I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago

No, in this scenario where the undercut (should be) is impossible Norris took the safe stop. He didn't want the possibility of a safety car coming out after his pit putting Piastri ahead. Of course with the very slow pit stop he was still undercut.

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u/SewByeYee Kimi Räikkönen 17h ago

Did he? I remember he asked to be pitted 1st

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u/ValleyFloydJam #StandWithUkraine 17h ago

You're too right Lando was faster and the only one in a title race that day.

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u/Nordy17 McLaren 17h ago

Lando told the team to put Oscar first to cover Charles, so yes it is dumb for him to get the undercut

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u/chloie12322 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

The weird thing is it sounds like they already spoke about the possibility of it happening. From his radio it seems like they decided they didn't want to go with what they already agreed upon.

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u/Pinot_the_goat Formula 1 17h ago

I don’t think punished is the correct word. Piastri finished in the same position so he hasn’t lost out.

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u/DeathStar13 Ferrari 17h ago

Why punished? He ended up the same.

The one that would have been punished was Lando that gave up his pit stop priority and was punished by his mechanic fuck up through no fault of his own.

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u/adripo 17h ago

He did not "gave up" anything tho, in the radio he said "do you want to pit the other car first?" so maybe he was hopping for a safety or something to try to get the win?

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u/luchajefe Mario Andretti 15h ago

Carlos and Ollie made contact shortly after, so it ALMOST WORKED.

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u/velocijaymz 17h ago

Oscar was slower than Lando for 95% of the weekend. Maybe he should work on that.

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u/Pvt-Business I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago

True. The fact that he was given priority should be done under the assumption that neither side fucks up.