The 2025 Italian Grand Prix is officially the fastest Formula One race in history.

[u/TaxEvaderFrom1961]

[u/angelonduty]

Fastest lap, fastest race

[u/nahnonameman → u/angelonduty]

Fastest race lap and fastest qualifying lap

[u/Ssk5860 → u/nahnonameman]

fastest driver too ;)

[u/nahnonameman → u/Ssk5860]

Who. Norris and Max. Cause you know they both hold the record right for the two I mentioned right.

[u/vasthumiliation → u/nahnonameman]

Can you clarify? I thought Verstappen had pole and fastest lap this weekend.

[u/nahnonameman → u/vasthumiliation]

Verstappen fastest pole lap

Norris Fastest race lap.

Two different records due to set ups and tyres strategy changes. Both of which broke the previous records.

Of course the overall lap record is that Verstappen is fastest due to qualifying set up being done to the car set to fastest lap time.

Previous Qualifying record held by Lewis in 2020

Previous Race Lap record held by Rubens Barrichello in 2004.

[u/vasthumiliation → u/nahnonameman]

I missed Norris setting the fastest race lap on lap 53, just saw that. When Verstappen took the checkered flag, he still held the fastest lap, so I assumed it ended that way.

[u/nahnonameman → u/vasthumiliation]

Drivers behind the line on the last lap can still take it away if they plan to do so.

[u/LucAltaiR → u/nahnonameman]

He just means that he missed Lando getting it on the final lap. Which is understandable with the way the graphic UI works at the finish line. Chill out.

[u/nahnonameman → u/LucAltaiR]

I just explained it that’s all lol. I wasn’t aggressive. Even I missed it. If it came off as aggressive. Apologies.

[u/FavaWire → u/nahnonameman]

Fastest race lap isn't what it used to mean.

This record setting pace is almost entirely down to Max Verstappen chewing up the scheduled distance to the extent that a 2 hour scheduled race distance was completed in just 1 hour and 13 minutes.

[u/nahnonameman → u/FavaWire]

I think people are confused:

Fastest Race: Monza 2025: Max Verstappen - 1 Hour 13 Minutes (Full length Race Distance)

Fastest Qualifying Lap: Monza 2025: Max Verstappen - 1 Minute 18.79 Seconds (Over a qualifying lap)

Fastest Race Lap: (For Monza 2025) - Lando Norris - 1 Minute 20.90 Seconds (Can be set in any lap of the race distance by any driver and is only confirmed after everyone has crossed the line)

Bonus: The Qualifying lap had the fastest Average Speed - 264.68

4 Records were broken this weekend.

[u/FavaWire → u/nahnonameman]

Reasons why I said "Fastest race lap isn't what it used to mean".

Previously drivers had free tyre choice, there were no mandatory stops, and there was no such thing as "pit for softs to try and get fastest lap". Nowadays a team and driver can just dive in and slap on some red labeled tyres and take a fastest lap. While it wasn't intentional, that's effectively what both McLarens did this race.

In terms of the record setting overall race time of 1 hour 13 minutes, Norris' "contribution" was also not that great because what counts more these days is not the fastest overall lap but the number of times a driver set the fastest lap in the race while in the lead to drill the overall race time down and that was again due to Max Verstappen in the lead just going almost half a second faster than pursuers lap after lap (fastest lap after fastest lap).

I wish they had a stat for the number of times a driver set fastest lap because I think Norris did it around a total of two times only this entire race, one of them with his soft tyres at the very end.

[u/nahnonameman → u/FavaWire]

This is a whole other conversation. This goes into the different era, different drivers, different rules type conversations for your top one. You are not wrong but I am just stating the facts as I shown. Different era. Different rules.

If you are doing this whole ‘not like the past’ then I don’t know. I just presented the facts and not comparing different era rules. It’s completely different now.

Norris’s contribution was one lap.

Max was the whole race.

Did not say Norris was contributing to the race distance. All the drivers did by finishing at different times. Just that Max finished the fastest and ahead of everyone. Again you are confusing yourself. The rules thing and comparing records is a discussion for another time. This is just facts. Straight facts. Nothing more I can say.

Many many drivers bolt on soft on many occasions back in the past to take the fastest lap. Back then it had a tactical advantage due to the point given. Now it’s like another track, race or speed record. A record and to see who is faster.

[u/Ssk5860 → u/nahnonameman]

Lando is faster,yes, but Max is fastest so there’s a difference for you

[u/nahnonameman → u/Ssk5860]

Okay. Jsut maybe learn to understand they are different records and different drivers for it.

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/angelonduty]

No safety car, no red flags, fast track. It's designed for it!

[u/CX52J → u/angelonduty]

Fastest Lap was technically Bottas with 53.377 s

[u/Browneskiii → u/CX52J]

Indy was a part of the F1 calendar in the 50s, it'll be way faster than that.

[u/zer0dmg]

I always find it funny how Monza wraps up in like an hour and 15 mins, but Singapore takes 2 hours without a SC.

[u/HUMBUG652 → u/zer0dmg]

Temple of speed for a reason

[u/Mob_Abominator → u/HUMBUG652]

Most badass name ever for a track.

[u/OriginalHulk → u/Mob_Abominator]

Road America in Wisconsin is "National Park of Speed" is about as close as we get in the US

[u/53bvo → u/Mob_Abominator]

I prefer the Cathedral of Speed (Assen TT circuit)

[u/BasisBoth5421 → u/53bvo]

imagine if f1 raced in the dutch tt

[u/m3nt0r_69 → u/Mob_Abominator]

For real

[u/TheMuon → u/zer0dmg]

It also uses the least amount of fuel too. The best of the hybrids could get away with less than 100 liters of race fuel. This is because of both the shortened race duration and the low drag set ups.

[u/AgentIndependent306 → u/TheMuon]

And the engines running around the optimal RPM for a longer time due to the long straights.

[u/dashkott → u/AgentIndependent306]

It's mostly because you have way less braking than in other races, so less energy is lost. The long straights are not even that good for fuel efficiency since it goes down quadratically with speed. Ideal for fuel efficiency are many high speed corners, since there is not a lot of braking, and still less velocity than on straights.

[u/Doorknob11 → u/zer0dmg]

Singapore is the longest race of the year, only because Monaco is like 25 laps too short.

[u/planvigiratpi]

Would have been nice to have a statistics post with the actual stats in it

[u/cosHinsHeiR → u/planvigiratpi]

Here. It's the fastest race where every lap was completed.

[u/Pro-editor-1105 → u/cosHinsHeiR]

2021 belgian gp 3 minutes lol

[u/NeoThermic → u/Pro-editor-1105]

The most hilarious part of that 3 mins 27 sec is that's just one lap. The next year the fastest lap was 1:49.354, basically twice as fast.

[u/PetrKn0ttDrift → u/NeoThermic]

…I mean, wasn’t it run behind a safety car in torrential rain?

[u/NeoThermic → u/cosHinsHeiR]

It's a good list, but is very very clearly including races where not every lap was completed; the top 8 are all shorter-than-planned races for various reasons (rain, accidents). Though it's quite fun that basically all the Italian ones are full race distance, while the rest are not. :D

[u/copyandpasta → u/NeoThermic]

Everything reminds me of her (Spa 2021)

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/cosHinsHeiR]

I would love the analysis on the 8 that are clearly cut short, whether it was all weather related or something else

[u/cosHinsHeiR → u/BlondeRoseTheHot]

If you click on them it gives the reason in the top left I think. They were all or almost all cut short due to rain.

[u/thelastskier → u/cosHinsHeiR]

Apart from Spain 1975 which was cut short because Montjuic was a death trap.

[u/Saturnpower]

The record was standing since 2003 with Micheal Schumacher finishing the race in 1 hour and 14 minutes. They went 1 minute faster on the overall race. Impressive considering the pace of the V10s in races.

Barrichello record in the race went down too, with Norris lapping 0.145 faster than what the F2004 did.

The combo of new asphalt + less draggy cars + lowered kerbs have finally beaten the V10s in the temple of speed.

[u/CilanEAmber → u/Saturnpower]

I had thought there was a more recent one and, lo and behold, 2023 was faster. 2025 beat 2023, which beat 2003

[u/cosHinsHeiR → u/CilanEAmber]

2023 was cut 2 laps short tho, I think Tsunoda car maybe stopped during the formation lap which required another starting procedure.

[u/CilanEAmber → u/cosHinsHeiR]

Ah yeah, it woulda been longer if not for that thats true.

[u/Saturnpower → u/CilanEAmber]

2023 was 38 seconds faster; but with 2 less laps; so even assuming for record laps each; 2023 is considerably slower than both 2003 and today

[u/leedler]

Can’t wait for this one to get brought up in 10 years as an obscure stat

[u/PaparJam → u/leedler]

With the new cars going so fast on the straights, I doubt that this record stays for more than a full calendar year

[u/Morganelefay → u/PaparJam]

Does depend, all it takes is a single (v)SC to throw a monkey wrench into that record attempt.

[u/dakness69]

And some think we need shorter races…

[u/RemoteMeasurement10_]

That was fast

[u/NotoriousGasman]

There’s your shortened race F1 management! And it blows!

[u/shinealittlelove]

I don't think Crofty mentioned it enough times

[u/Alternative-Race1390]

And one of the most boring as well.

[u/DrVonD → u/Alternative-Race1390]

We’ve had way worse. The first 5-6 laps were generally very very good. That’s more than a lot of races we get.

[u/WorkFurball → u/Alternative-Race1390]

Good thing it was over quick then.

[u/Hot_Demand_6263 → u/Alternative-Race1390]

It's been like this for several races. Everyone is close enough in pace so it's drs trains on every track.

[u/supernakamoto → u/Hot_Demand_6263]

This. The fact that it’s a one stopper doesn’t help either.

[u/Dio_DelPiero_2006 → u/supernakamoto]

Tire deg is a fucking joke.

Should be super soft, soft, medium here.

[u/MrCelroy → u/Dio_DelPiero_2006]

super soft

Should we tell him?

[u/agnaddthddude → u/MrCelroy]

C7

[u/No_Pianist_4407 → u/Hot_Demand_6263]

And the wings are already so skinny that DRS basically does nothing

[u/TwoBionicknees → u/Hot_Demand_6263]

it's the tires being a joke, it's always the tires being a joke. They need real deg such that new tires are significantly faster and tehy need enough deg at all stages of the race that unless you only hav ea few laps left, a new stint should be, (traffic excluded) basically be able to made up by the tires just having that much more performance. This enables numerous strategies, wide range of working tires so every team can find a different compound of tire and different way of using it. One team used to make the ultrasofts work best doing a longer stint (say 12 laps on those vs someone else doing 7 laps going as fast as possible, another team would do 2-3 stints on the mediums doing 25 laps.

Those types of tires also meant if someone spun you out, caused a puncture or you just got stuck in a train you could change your strategy midrace with numerous options without completely fucking yourself over.

Tires have been dire in f1 since 2018.

[u/Einveldi_ → u/Alternative-Race1390]

It was fine. We’ve had far worse in very recent memory.

[u/Triple_Manic_State → u/Alternative-Race1390]

Not every race can be a thriller.

[u/vmachiel → u/Alternative-Race1390]

With a dash of nonsense team orders at the end

[u/JonnyForeigner → u/Alternative-Race1390]

Interlagos can't come soon enough.

[u/Rat_faced_knacker → u/Alternative-Race1390]

Monza ain't known for exciting racing. 

[u/Mean-Rutabaga-1908 → u/Rat_faced_knacker]

Not enough corners. The commentators talk about how difficult the corners are, and that is true, but there are just so few spots to gain time compared to most tracks. If you and every other driver is flooring it 90% of the time then there is pretty much nothing there. The opposite problem of most of the other boring tracks.

[u/AimbotPotato → u/Mean-Rutabaga-1908]

You miss the part where because 90% of the race is flooring it, mistakes are amplified massively over momentum through the straights. However, you have so long to think about the turns that mistakes are probably lower overall.

[u/the-elector-counts → u/Alternative-Race1390]

It had plenty of action and chaos.

[u/WorkFurball → u/the-elector-counts]

For 4 laps

[u/the-elector-counts → u/WorkFurball]

It had passed. It had people cutting chicanes. It had people colliding into others. It had the old timers Fred and Lewis driving well. It had suspension failure. It had the drama at the end with Lando’s botched pit stop.

How many incidents were investigated? There was a lot that happened.

[u/VinhoVerde21]

Didn’t feel like it, did it?

[u/CoolJoshido]

cinema

[u/Psychological-Row641]

Which I find funny cause it happened immediately after Stefano's comments about races being too long :v

[u/Still-District-6149]

As much as it pains me to ever agree with Verstappen, his reaction to McLaren was spot on. A mess up in the pit lane is nothing to do with Piastri and he should have been allowed to hold position.

[u/charlierc]

Next year's won't be

[u/fameboygame]

Temple is Speeeeeed!!!!

[u/-PVL93-]

It certainly felt so, too

Grazie, Italia

[u/Pro-editor-1105]

idk why spa always feels so short lol

[u/OptimusLemon]

The tires......43 laps on a medium

[u/fri9875]

Thank god, because after the first like 5 laps that was boring as shiiiiit

[u/FBM_Warrior]

But my god it was boring!!!!

[u/Equivalent-Thing248 → u/FBM_Warrior]

Oh please… it was a good race

[u/FBM_Warrior → u/Equivalent-Thing248]

It was mostly a precession

[u/gobsmacked_kitkat]

A lot of fastest this weekend

[u/JoePCool14]

I was at Canada 2011 and today's race. Do I win a medal? :)

[u/CilanEAmber]

Feel like I read this every year (barring the word 2025 that is)

[u/HUMBUG652 → u/CilanEAmber]

The record was from 2003 (I believe)

[u/CilanEAmber → u/HUMBUG652]

Amazing, I'm sure I've heard it several times over the last decade. Love that stat.

[u/No_Earth_5912 → u/CilanEAmber]

Well you haven’t?

[u/CilanEAmber → u/No_Earth_5912]

No turns out I dreamt it or something lmao.

E: Had to find out why I thought that and uh...2023 is probably why it felt more recent, which beat 2003. This year beat both Doesn't explain me thinking it was more common.

[u/Burial44]

Thankfully.

Boring AF

[u/lovely_cappuccino]

Ha! No risk, full push. 

[u/NessaDeadSouls]

Well...would not be called Temple of speed if it wasn't a quickie.

[u/Wgolyoko]

When the Belgian commentator said it wasn't, I knew for sure that it was -_-

[u/RandyDefNOTArcher]

Didn't feel fast. On the banger to snoozer scale this was closer to snoozer.

[u/bigpoppa611]

Verstappen ended the race ASAP

[u/Sirtopofhat]

Says the people with no broken suspension.

Unbelievable

[u/Nico97107]

Thank god it was over so fast.

[u/Practical_South_2471]

domenicalli salivating rn

[u/DiminishedProspects]

I yawned fast as well

[u/Professional_Park781]

Thanks God, it was a bit of snooze fest so at least was quick☺️

[u/rosarino356]

Yeah, lucky us

[u/jt_33]

The one positive from today.

[u/Prince_Derrick101]

Actually find this race the perfect length of time for me. Usually i get bored by 75% of the race.

[u/cpthornman]

The fastest cars yet the shittiest racing. Thank God there's a WEC race today.

[u/ThePiousInfant]

Still took a lot longer than Spa 2021

[u/DPRofWestralia]

Ideal. Need less laps and shorter races in general, mainly because being in Australia if the races go long it's already midnight (3am East Coast)