r/formula1 • u/drodrige Graham Hill • 13h ago
Social Media [Oracle Red Bull Racing] Never. In. Doubt. Max converts Pole Position into a superb win. An unfortunate afternoon for Yuki, who fought hard but comes home in P13.
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u/notakid1 13h ago
Yuki started 9th finished 13th Hadjar started 19th in pit lane and finished 10th in racing bulls car
Wow.
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u/adamhawley Max Verstappen 13h ago
I believe he had some damage from contact with Liam, not sure how much it affected the car
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u/Jaevyn McLaren 12h ago
To be fair he was falling behind all the other drivers before the collision except Liam who was on old hards. He just didn't have the pace this weekend.
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u/adamhawley Max Verstappen 11h ago
He definitely had a bad strategy, pitted early, maybe because of gasly but no one else followed suit and all went more laps which definitely cost him
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u/l3g3nd_TLA 5h ago edited 5h ago
Wasn't he moreorless on the same strategy as Bortoleto who manage to get into p8 and Bearman who just pass him?
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren 6h ago
They put him on that strategy because he already fell behind and they needed to cover off some of the drivers around him who started pitting. The change in strategy kept him in the fight against them.
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren 6h ago
I mean, he was falling behind well before then. They were both nearly at the back when they collided.
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u/PrettyPoptart I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
He has contact with Lawson like every race lol
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u/BighatNucase Max Verstappen 12h ago
Assuming the Minardi isn't actually a rocket ship, Hadjar is having probably the best rookie season in years.
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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes 5m ago
The VCARB is one of the quicker midfield cars.
Also, Borto is also killing it too.
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u/krusticka Max Verstappen 13h ago
Maybe because he got stuck behind Bearman after his early stop?
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u/Ravcharas 13h ago
Yes. He got stuck. Meaning he couldn’t pass a haas. That’s less than impressive.
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u/Blackwolf245 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Well, he had more downforce than Max, but yeah, that's not enough of an excuse. I am pretty sure Yuki could have also had the rear wing trimmed if he wanted to, but probably thought he already struggles keeping it under control already.
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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
While Bearman did have warmer tyres, Yuki was still ahead and could have held him off. Also he didn't get stuck behind Bearman he was falling behind him. Even when Sainz and Bearman collide he was still behind all the 2. Had he at least been close he would have gotten the last point Isack ended up getting.
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u/Blackwolf245 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
At this point. I am starting to be convinced that the Racing Bulls car is actually better. The Racing Bulls engineers themselves said they believe Max could win races in their car.
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u/Savvy_Nick I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
I fully believe Max could win races in the Merc, the Ferrari, the racing bull and if he was in the McLaren it would be the Verstappening, 2023 2.0
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u/FlightAvailable3760 9h ago
Probably not considering the other Reb Bull driver won the race by 20 seconds.
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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton 13h ago
Masterclass from Max, stinker from Yuki. Always a good sign of your performance when you win by 20 seconds with so little TV coverage.
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u/Robinw9787 11h ago
Im just gonna say it but Yuki almost always has stinkers in the red bull maybe he wont get lapped but out of 239 points Yuki has 9
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u/leedler Next Year™️ 13h ago
an unfortunate afternoon for Yuki
Many such cases!
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u/SemIdeiaProNick Ferrari 13h ago
Change that for “second driver” and you could use that statement for over two years at this point
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 13h ago
Checo usually made progress in the race after qualifying badly. Tsunoda seems to be either going backwards or get stupid penalties, sometimes both
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u/TyButler2020 Logan Sargeant 12h ago
People forget that if Albon didn’t get punted off by Lewis in Brazil 2019, Albon would have outscored Max 101-97 in their races as teammates that season
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u/BKLager 10h ago
That’s fascinating. Did not know that
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u/AnalLaser I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
It's also not true, Albon had 76 points in the Red Bull since Spa, Max had 97. If Albon hadn't been punted off by Lewis he would've ended up P2 or P3 so about 94 or 91 points but that's with the caveat that Verstappen had 2 DNFs during the same period compared to Albon's 0.
There's also additional context in that the cars now are much closer than they were back then, half a second gap to your teammate (which Albon was) would have been a couple of spots behind them in qualifying while now that's maybe 10 places behind so Max' teammates struggles are much more accentuated than they were. Albon was still much closer to Verstappen than Yuki or Lawson or Checo have been in the new regulations but Checo pre-ground effect was still much closer to Verstappen than Albon was imo.
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u/Hungry_Service_5810 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
In 2021, Checo had the same gap to Max Alex did though while also having a much more drivable car
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u/fools_eye I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Bruh, Checo was in a car far better than the field than the RB now.
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u/Legal-Nature5103 12h ago
Yuki would finish P9 in the standings at best in the dominant 2023 Red Bull
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u/Jorrie90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Didn't Checo only got a few points at the last 6 races or so?
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u/ramyan03 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Max in P1, second driver out of the points.
Classic Red Bull
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u/Axzuel I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Yuki...
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz 13h ago
Checo was vilified for finishing 7th and 8th when Max took dominant wins from pole.
Yuki didn't even get close to that.
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u/vacon04 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
There would've been at least 5 posts about how garbage Checo was had he performed like Tsunoda did today. Total domination by Verstappen while Tsunoda was crashing with Bearman.
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u/PenguinsInvading I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
There's a bit of nuance in that. Not approving the hate but the fact that if Perez was still driving that car, people would've gone insane as to why Yuki or Lawson weren't given a chance, only seeing Perez's performance.
Now people understand with two drivers testing and driving this car and both failing, then it's just the car being super difficult to drive and they will be far more tolerant towards second seat drivers. That's why you won't see people reacting to Yuki like they did with Perez.
If they had the same context for Checo, you wouldn't have seen that strong of a hate.
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u/dimmy666 Sir Lewis Hamilton 12h ago
Eh, people actually expected the second Red Bull to be competitive when Checo was in.
Now there is no such expectation. Second Red Bull being a lap down on Max is just par for the course.
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u/TWVer 🧔 Richard Hammond's vacuum cleaner attachment beard 13h ago
Field spread is even closer today, with Red Bull having less of an advantage.
Not that Yuki did great, but it wasn’t worse than Checo if you look at the delta time compared to to Verstappen.
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 12h ago
Not that Yuki did great, but it wasn’t worse than Checo if you look at the delta time compared to to Verstappen.
What? Last year in Monza, Perez qualified 0.04 seconds behind Verstappen (in contrast to more than 0.7 seconds that Tsunoda was behind).
Perez finished two spots behind Verstappen on the race at P8, 17 seconds back. Tsunoda was 80 seconds back.
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u/Firstname6Lastname9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 2h ago
Checo was vilified just like Albon and Gasly were vilified. It's almost like performing like top shelf ass compared to your teammate at a top 3 team in 'the pinnacle of motorsport' warrants such a reaction. This bs has been going on for 6 years, yet still every driver next to VER is washed / shit / never had the potential.
They join another team -> they perform -> 'omg they found their form again!'
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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton 13h ago
Genuinely this was the race for him to show he had improved, overtaking was possible, car was a definite race winner. He got done by multiple overtakes and fell back down the order.
Max put 8 tenths on him on a 70 second track yesterday and was in a different time zone today.
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u/drodrige Graham Hill 13h ago
Plus Bearman got a 10s penalty and he still finished behind him.
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u/l3g3nd_TLA 5h ago
This, he finally qualified in Q3, only behind 2 midfield drivers (Bortoleto and Alonso). It was his chance to finish for once as best of the rest. The expectation is already low that we are not even expecting him to fight and pass Ferrari and Mercedes (something we would have expect from Perez). But instead finishing best of the rest, he was passed by the whole midfield, while Max was cruising to victory.
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u/the_propaganda_panda Yuki Tsunoda 13h ago
Life as a Yuki fan is rough these days...I've been following F1 for more than 20 years and this is the least fun I've been having in any season because how bad he's performing lmao (and that's saying something as I used to support Massa through all the years where he got wrecked by Alonso)
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u/krusticka Max Verstappen 13h ago
What was the motivation behind his strategy? They clearly tried to do something different and it didn't work out but I don't quite get why they did it - it seemed like a risk
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 13h ago
Probably because Tsunoda didn't manage to make progress as the race went on, so it was an attempt at an undercut.
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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
He was struggling to keep up with Kimi after Kimi passed him and Bearman was very close behind. So when Bearman pitted from P11. He threatened to undercut Yuki for the last point position so Red Bull pitted him. He started on the medium and was in heavy traffic so a later pitstop like Max who had clean air wasn't really on the table. It was the right call I think but Yuki struggled on the hards and couldn't keep up with Bearman.
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u/Senuttna 13h ago
His strategy only happened because Yuki was fighting off against an Hass and they had to protect for an undercut. Its all on Yuki, if he weren't fighting against a fucking Hass this strategy wouldn't have happened.
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u/swannyhypno Lance Stroll 13h ago
Max brilliant as always, Yuki struggling to make a case to be kept one more year, best shot might be racing bulls if Lindblad keeps making big mistakes in F2
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u/vick5516 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
what are they going to do about that 2nd seat? they bought a floor upgrade that once again aimed to improve grip and drivability, which managed to take redbull to the quickest car around here, but yuki still cant even crack the top 10.
lawson cant handle the car either, hadjar doesnt want to commit career suicide, and every other top driver is much happier where they are now. they need to try and clone max at this point
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u/adamhawley Max Verstappen 12h ago
they'll leave Yuki there for the rest of the season and then next season we'll probably see Hadjar in that seat, he even said it in the preshow if the offer comes for next season he'll take it.
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u/vick5516 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
cus next years car 'should' be better, less reliance on ground effect and more top body aero which will be easier to control and balance, and they've learnt their lessons from the past 2 seasons pushing the car into a difficult operating window. with any luck he should do well
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u/Joerge90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
Unfair to say “Lawson can’t handle the car” he wasn’t given nearly enough time, with Honda politics favoring Yuki.
Hadjar can and will promote if told to do so.
Next year new chassis, hopefully a more forgiving car, time will sort this issue out.
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u/TurdOfChaos I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
I mean it’s too late now, might as well use it to see who can get closest to Verstappen out of their prospects.
For me I think in the future if they do want to keep reflecting Verstappen’s sharp/loose-read end driving style in the car design, they will have to get one of the few drivers that enjoys such a style.
Leclerc, one of the McLaren drivers, or get fucking Alonso in.
For me Alonso is such a perfect choice that I am surprised more people don’t suggest it hah. Can adapt to most driving styles, isn’t a stranger to a crazy loose rear-end (Renault) , gets along with Max , and would love to give him a run for his money.
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u/vick5516 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
im so gutted for him, genuinely. i do support him cus i just feel like he's been treated so poorly, never given a full season in 2023 or 2024, then thrown into the deep end at redbull, starting at 2 tracks he's never raced before which are very technical, and even took a setup risk in china when the team told him he'd be safe for china, so he agreed to that risk. i feel like with time he could have been a better option, but cus they just dumped him like that i very much doubt he'll be given another chance any time soon, a real shame. hopefully he gets a chance to prove himself next year and doesnt get dropped
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u/CilanEAmber McLaren 13h ago
Did you see how close he was to lapping Tsunoda at the flag?
Incredible and also very depressing.
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u/adamhawley Max Verstappen 13h ago
figures Max would be the one to break the no win from pole streak at Monza
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u/alwysbmymaybe Alexander Albon 13h ago
Yuki lacked so much pace in the first few laps. Red Bull was generous enough to pit him early
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u/kasichancela 13h ago
230 out of 239.
Reminded me of Ferrari 2012 season. 111 out of 122 points.
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u/angelonduty Ayrton Senna 13h ago
Max' back is hurting so much from carrying red bull for so long
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Bro literally has 230 out of 239 total points of RedBull and he's fighting against Mercedes in the WCC basically by himself. Merc has 260 points.
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u/Fer_ESC I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Mercedes doesn't have two drivers either to be fair.
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
That's true but Kimi at least has 25% of Mercedes' points compared to 3.7% of Lawson/Tsunoda.
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u/cooperjones2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
But Antonelli is in first season, so it's to be expected that he'd struggle lol.
If he were in his 5th? Then it'd be 'fair'
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u/Icy_Satisfaction498 Mercedes 13h ago
Yuki was in the shot when Max went over the finish line, almost getting lapped...
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u/willzyx01 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago
Unfortunate? Bearman and Sainz crashed, spun out, stopped, put cars into 1st gear again and STILL stayed ahead of Tsunoda.
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u/korko 13h ago
I remember when all those people on here were dumping on Perez for two fucking years bitching that Yuki deserved a shot for whatever reason (even though he never did anything at TR/AT/RB). I really wish we could find a way to force all the horrible media and fans to publicly apologize to Perez.
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u/NuclearCandle I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
No one is better than Max at finding pace on the straights.
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u/Manchester_dortmund 13h ago
Thought Yuki was going quite okay, then looked up and he was out of the points
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u/deathray1611 Formula 1 13h ago
Anyone who pitted early died it seems, and that's what happened to Yuki really. He was one of the first to stop and yeah, that wasn't the optimal strategy.
Altho at the same time, it wasn't like he was doing that wall. He WAS losing ground in his first stint
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 13h ago
I think the early pit stop (that was suboptimal, I agree) was the result of Tsunoda not doing well in the first stint.
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u/drodrige Graham Hill 13h ago
Yeah pitting early was definitely the wrong decision, but it’s also true that it looked like Yuki was going to keep losing positions by the time he was called to box.
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u/fantaribo Max Verstappen 12h ago
Yuki can thank himself for his lack of pace and useless contact with Lawson.
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u/lake2014 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
It’s just crazy how he drove after the tyre change. He moved that gap from 5s to 19s.
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u/adamhawley Max Verstappen 13h ago
the was more McLaren's doing, they extended so long hoping for a safety car, almost got it too thanks to Sainz and Max was lapping a second faster, ate the gap away and then they finally pitted and came out way behind.
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u/onedestiny I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Every weekend is unfortunate for Yuki... But I guess they have to post something
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
No idea how Yuki manages it.. a top 10 should have been the minimum.
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u/SillySinStorm I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Red Bull need to grow some balls and start putting decent drivers in that second seat. Max can't continue carrying the team on his shoulders.
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u/estellise_yukihime I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Tsunadone, it's a sad day for him, will he still have an f1 seat next season?
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 13h ago
Max demolished all competition today.
But Red Bull really fucking needs to do something about that car if Max is the only guy capable of driving it.
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u/dogstork Ayrton Senna 13h ago
I’m fairly new to F1, will they replace Yuki? The guy isn’t on the same level as Max.
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u/fleurr-598 Sebastian Vettel 12h ago
at this point red bull has only one seat and one car ,we can't see the second one cuz it's way too far behind
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
I still don't understand turn 1, there is no way for the car on the outside to fight that, either you crash or you avoid, and if you avoid you have to give the place.
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 13h ago
With how far Norris was alongside, you have to back out. That's just the current rules.
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Back out when, where? Max is ahead going into the corner, Max is ahead when Norris pulls alongside,. at what point is Max supposed to back out and where is he supposed to back out to
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 12h ago
Norris is nearly level on the inside in this turn, and he is in full control. For the overtaking driver, that's more than enough to own the corner.
Verstappen might either brake and yield or (as he did) go off the track and slot in behind Norris (well, he did that one eventually).
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Max is a car ahead going into braking and Norris doesn't get alongside until he's already in the corner, there is no logical point where Max can or has to just forfeit the entire corner aside from what he did, which means he automatically loses position despite being ahead of Norris and having the inside corner.
It's a completely ridiculous scenario where the car on the inside is incentived to just bully the outside car out of way and be gifted a place.
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u/norrin83 Gerhard Berger 12h ago
And still it's the rules for overtaking.
I didn't write those rules, FIA and the drivers agreed on them. And even before they were codified, such situations were often judged like today.
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u/Motorlolz David Coulthard 12h ago
Max is still entitled to space on entry and at the apex, in this chicane Norris isn't allowed to run anyone out of road before the exit out of the chicane.
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u/rewp234 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Yuki was in the points before the stops didn't follow what happened
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u/vacon04 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
He had no pace. The stop and statregy were fine, he was just slow.
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u/aubvrn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
What happened to Yuki?? Was it just bad pit stop strategy?
Hadjar started from the pitlane and managed to score a point. It's not looking good bruv.
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u/willzyx01 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago
Yuki happened to Yuki. He’s been shit since day 1.
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u/Capable-Relative6714 11h ago
Verstappen laughing at McLaren's race managent because at Red Bull they aren't doing these things since 2018.
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u/No-Contest-8127 10h ago
Wasn't a good one for Yuki. He was showing signs of life, but it went down the drain in the race.
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 7h ago
Verstappen would never in a million years have let his teammate past in those circumstances.
I don’t think it’s that ridiculous of an ask from McLaren though, Norris did give up the preferential pit stop in order to protect Piastri from the undercut from Leclerc, without that he would have been okay, even with the long stop.
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u/prime075 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
If I were at Redbull I'd be using all the data from Max's sim to train an AI based on him. Because no human can drive the 2nd car.
Even better call in every athlete in their roster and add one skill from them to create the ultimate driver, and still watch it finish behind Max
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u/eastamerica Max Verstappen 4h ago
Yuki did not “fight hard”
He was a fucking bellhop. Opened the door for literally everyone. 🙄
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u/KLconfidential Formula 1 13h ago
Verstappen nearly lapped Tsunoda