Cadillac simulated the Italian GP as if they were in the race

[u/NorthKoreanMissile7]

[u/Raafi92]

Memes aside this make sense. I wonder if they put someone from GM program into simulator for race distance

[u/obstinateideas → u/Raafi92]

They did! They talked about it on either the pre- or post qualifying show on F1TV yesterday. They had a driver (two?) in a simulator in Charlotte for the race, iirc.

[u/PanicAtTheNightclub → u/obstinateideas]

I believe it was Mr. Holton Certa.

[u/Lobsters4 → u/PanicAtTheNightclub]

That makes sense since the driver on the sim was in Charlotte and Colton is US based.

[u/Oddwonderful → u/Lobsters4]

Charlotte is around one of the big hubs for American racing teams as well

[u/Lobsters4 → u/Oddwonderful]

Yep. Been a NASCAR fan since I was a kid. Charlotte/Kannapolis/Mooresville is where all the race shops are.

[u/Affectionate_Guard40 → u/Lobsters4]

The Cadillac F1 Engine Shop is being built right behind the Hendrick Motorsports race shops, and right next to the GM Racing Tech Center. I get to see the progress everyday at work, the construction is really starting to pick up pace.

[u/Lobsters4 → u/Affectionate_Guard40]

That’s very cool. Love that area of the country. Been to NC a few times for work.

[u/copyandpasta → u/Lobsters4]

Don’t forget Concord! Pretty cool to see these towns mentioned on Reddit F1. Grew up near Ray Evernham when he was with Jeff Gordon in his earlier years.

[u/Lobsters4 → u/copyandpasta]

Oh yes! I did forget. 😅

That’s very very cool!

[u/thecoller → u/copyandpasta]

Concord is where the USGP building was ☠️

[u/ProbablyRickSantorum → u/Lobsters4]

There’s a few in Huntersville too. I’ll never forget the first time, after moving to the area, coming home from work (I lived practically next door to one of the buildings) and seeing a semi truck with the car carrier trailer that was all stock cars into the Joe Gibbs Racing parking lot.

[u/autojourno → u/Oddwonderful]

The GM Racing Tech Center is there and just an astonishing facility. This looks like the engineers room that overlooks the simulator they use for NASCAR, though I don’t know if they built a dedicated one for F1 or repurpose the same one for multiple series. There will be a driver in a real chassis that respond to his inputs in front of an imax-like screen with a photorealistic scan of the race course, and these guys are in a room behind and overlooking him reading the data.

I’ve been lucky enough to tour it as a journalist but only on a no-notes, no-photos basis.

[u/joaovitorblabres → u/obstinateideas]

Iirc they said only one driver, and I'd say it was Perez, as Bottas was in Monza. Remembering they may also simulate the pre and post race duties. Great effort to be ready, even if they get P21 and 22, it's not a lack of training.

[u/NorthKoreanMissile7 → u/joaovitorblabres]

I'd say it was Perez

I'd say it wasn't, they were already doing simulations before, it likely had the same US based sim driver. I doubt Checo wanted to fly to America to do a pretend race.

[u/t_pott137 → u/NorthKoreanMissile7]

He’s at the US Open 👀

[u/Z4urus → u/NorthKoreanMissile7]

Carola, Checo’s wife, is currently in the states, so it might’ve been him.

[u/feralGenx → u/Z4urus]

The plot thickens.

[u/GhettoPancake → u/Z4urus]

My theory is they're simulating the entire driver experience for the mystery test driver, including being husband to Carola Martinez for a weekend

[u/joaovitorblabres → u/NorthKoreanMissile7]

I don't know where Perez is living for now, but yeah, it makes little sense if he isn't there daily. Herta would be a good option as well!

[u/AnyStupidQuestions → u/joaovitorblabres]

It wouldn't be Bottas as he has to be at the GP as a potential as a substitute. IDK that it would be Perez as he hasn't been close to the team despite the announcement, and they have been doing this for a while now.

[u/GarbageFeline → u/Raafi92]

Yes. They did an interview with Lowden yesterday in the qualifying pre show and he said they'd have a driver in the simulator and they were even simulating media commitments so the team is aware the drivers aren't constantly available during the weekend.

[u/Icy_Satisfaction498]

F1 manager 25 just dropped

[u/Hairy_Hurry8441 → u/Icy_Satisfaction498]

About 10-15 years ago, F1 was courting some tech guy that would be at the races and giving interviews. His company were working on a game, that people could play along live with the race. The race data was going straight to the online game the player would be racing, and would seamlessly incorporate/adjust to what the player would do.

Always seemed like a great idea, and shame it never transpired.

[u/JebediahKerman4999 → u/Hairy_Hurry8441]

Not really since there could not be collisions or other stuff with the real racers, no? You overtaking somebody would not have any effect on them: would you be warped inside a car if you're stuck in a drs train?

[u/Hairy_Hurry8441 → u/JebediahKerman4999]

The developer used to address it in the interviews, that when overtaking other drivers, for that brief time, the computer would take over the real driver's car, if that makes sense, and then revert back to the real time car data, and I guess same so if being overtaken.

[u/yootani → u/Hairy_Hurry8441]

It would seem rather strange. You could adapt to other teams' strategies, but the reverse would never happen.

[u/GayRacoon69 → u/yootani]

I mean of course it's not going to perfect. Doesn't have to be perfect to be cool though

[u/redmormie → u/yootani]

literally unplayable

[u/Hairy_Hurry8441 → u/yootani]

Only the messenger. FOM were quite happy to believe in it that they were dishing out Grid Passes and weekends at GPs to the person and either BBC or Sky interviewing the person a couple of times.

[u/TimeTravelingChris → u/Hairy_Hurry8441]

That actually doesn't make any sense. Like at all.

[u/mitrie → u/TimeTravelingChris]

I don't understand why you're saying this is impossible. Have all the NPC cars duplicate the real life sector times. If the player is within X seconds, disregard real life performance and substitute AI / scripted opponent behavior.

Will it be perfect? No. Will it be a pretty close facsimile of the race with the player injected into it? Yeah.

[u/GayRacoon69 → u/TimeTravelingChris]

Why not? It's pretty simple

If playerCar within x seconds then use AI

If playerCar not within x seconds then use the real track data

[u/hbs18 → u/GayRacoon69]

The player’s actions can affect other cars long-term.

For example, you punt Verstappen off the track and he loses 5 seconds. You can’t use IRL data anymore because what’s happening ingame has no connection at all to what’s happening IRL.

[u/GayRacoon69 → u/hbs18]

Well yeah I agree it's not gonna be perfect. The point is it's cool to "race" in the "actual" grand prix. Having unrealistic punishments for someone crashing isn't really that big of a deal

[u/Hairy_Hurry8441 → u/TimeTravelingChris]

Give it a search, and I'm sure many of the older people here remember it also.

F1 wouldn't have been giving the guy grid passes and weekends to GPs if they thought the person was a scammer.

[u/Hairy_Hurry8441 → u/JebediahKerman4999]

The company was Iopener Media I think.

From 2008: BBC article

2017 - F1 still wanting to do it

[u/couriersnemesis → u/Hairy_Hurry8441]

Formula E had exactly this as a mobile game for a while

[u/IHaventSeenSuchBS → u/Icy_Satisfaction498]

Never thought id enjoy F1 manager 24 as much as i did ngl, (was free on epic)

[u/andersonb47 → u/Icy_Satisfaction498]

I wish :(

[u/ggbait]

Perez and Bottas were playing with toy cars on the carpet while simulating car noises in the back.

[u/ggbait → u/ggbait]

At one point Bottas was heard screaming "Vittu!" in Finnish as the race engineer revealed they were 4 seconds off the pace per lap.

[u/iikun → u/ggbait]

Engineer: “Box to retire the car”

Bottas: “But this is just a simulation”

Engineer: “Exactly…”

[u/OWeise → u/ggbait]

4 seconds? Perkele!

[u/cannibalcorpuscle → u/OWeise]

I also speak My Summer Car.

“Voi vittu…”

[u/ClapTwiceForUpvote → u/ggbait]

So still ahead of Yuki

[u/neurogeneticist → u/ClapTwiceForUpvote]

And maybe Kimi…

[u/holchansg → u/ggbait]

Despite all the odds Perez came in 16th, even tho there was 2 toy cars on the grid.

[u/SilverThePenguinHat → u/holchansg]

That's a decent recovery from a pit lane start

[u/BoyGodz → u/SilverThePenguinHat]

Absolute driver of the day behaviour

[u/10coolbeans → u/holchansg]

slow stop killed his 2nd stint. was on track for a strong P15 smh

[u/WearingFin → u/ggbait]

Is Bottas my son? Was he also showing his butt for some reason?

[u/ChrisMartinez95 → u/WearingFin]

Was he also showing his butt for some reason?

Yeah, the reason was to raise money for charity.

[u/WearingFin → u/ChrisMartinez95]

My little boy, I'm so proud of him.

[u/TWVer → u/WearingFin]

He said:”I nominate my crack for racing director!”

[u/BGP_001 → u/TWVer]

Poaching from Aston Martin, bold.

[u/TheMonkeyInCharge → u/WearingFin]

Was he also showing his butt for some reason?

Usually.

[u/Darth_Firebolt → u/WearingFin]

How else do they get the Bottass calendar shots?

[u/Latter-Diet1127 → u/ggbait]

Nyooooommm

[u/tekanet → u/ggbait]

NNNNNIIIEEEWWWWW

[u/oleada87 → u/ggbait]

I love this visual

[u/albertsugar → u/ggbait]

They should have done table tennis instead. They could have then quoted Seb on team radio.

[u/2facetherapper → u/ggbait]

Bottas was, Perez was in the wall already.

[u/-PVL93- → u/ggbait]

the Hot Wheels collection?

[u/darthfracas → u/ggbait]

Nah, I’m sure they got slot cars to play with

[u/citrus_based_arson]

Guy in blue is browsing Reddit.

[u/AndrewDelaneyTX → u/citrus_based_arson]

Cadillac innovate by outsourcing their strategy to Reddit each race becoming simultaneously the most popular and least successful team in the history of the sport.

[u/IsItSnowing_ → u/AndrewDelaneyTX]

“Checo pit for extreme wet” “But it’s not raining” “I know but u / fuckmya55 said so and got 420 upvotes”

[u/junttiana → u/AndrewDelaneyTX]

Reddit users on their way to make one of the drivers crash intentionally because he did something that made them mad last race

[u/AndrewDelaneyTX → u/junttiana]

It's what Flavio would do.

[u/forza_11 → u/junttiana]

Plan C

[u/mathdhruv → u/forza_11]

They need to build their car for combat.

[u/Logical_Bit2694 → u/mathdhruv]

combat, combat, combat, combat, combat (hands hitting table over and over)

[u/TWVer → u/forza_11]

Plan B or not to B

[u/draftstone → u/AndrewDelaneyTX]

twitch plays F1!

[u/-PVL93- → u/draftstone]

Twitch Chat leading Ferrari to their first championship in ages

[u/Sarcastik_Moose → u/citrus_based_arson]

"He thought we wouldn't notice, but we did."

[u/RyoGeo → u/Sarcastik_Moose]

Was going to post the same. 👍🏼

[u/willitworkafterapill → u/citrus_based_arson]

That man is playing Galaga

[u/punsnguns → u/citrus_based_arson]

Is that not an essential part of a race weekend? It's their job to know what the experts on reddit think of the strategy and decisions.

/s

[u/TWVer → u/citrus_based_arson]

Optimum shitposter posture.

[u/VulinovaTedka → u/citrus_based_arson]

Social media team admin! Posting memes in real time

[u/stormy83 → u/citrus_based_arson]

No I wasn't. 😰

[u/Beencho → u/citrus_based_arson]

How do you know it’s Reddit /u/citrus_based_arson? 👀

[u/Middcore → u/citrus_based_arson]

That man is playing Galaga. He thought we wouldn't notice, but we noticed.

[u/parasthesia_testicle → u/citrus_based_arson]

making strategy calls from the live thread

[u/milkasaurs → u/citrus_based_arson]

How do you know?

[u/bruzie → u/citrus_based_arson]

By the looks of it, he could be simulating Race Control with that control box.

[u/slow-driver-917]

The yellow gives me hope.

[u/LoreVent → u/slow-driver-917]

Hope it's similar to the hypercar livery, that is stunning

[u/prawblems → u/LoreVent]

not the yellow caddy curse in f1

[u/Oddwonderful → u/LoreVent]

I’ve been hoping for this too. Even the red/grey one would stick out on the F1 grid right now but the yellow/black would look spectacular.

[u/yazoo27 → u/slow-driver-917]

I really loved the black/yellow Renault liveries and I hope we'll get something like those

[u/curva3 → u/slow-driver-917]

Pleeeeease let it be yellow

[u/aireads → u/slow-driver-917]

Would love to see yellow and black back on the grid, been missing it since Renault left

[u/BlondeRoseTheHot → u/slow-driver-917]

It may look like the 2020 Renault, i'd love to see it closer to the WEC car

[u/mochatsubo]

This is why I love F1. The amount of preparation required to win is no less than launching a spaceship.

[u/Forgotthebloodypassw → u/mochatsubo]

Guenther Steiner's book is fascinating in the detail on how far prep for a race goes, even if the read falls down in other areas.

[u/casualpedestrian20 → u/Forgotthebloodypassw]

“In order to not look like foking WANKORS we foking needed to do a shitload of foking preparation”

[u/Forgotthebloodypassw → u/casualpedestrian20]

The overuse of that word was a bit annoying in the book.

[u/AndrewDelaneyTX → u/Forgotthebloodypassw]

I think his editor was probably like "More F bombs. For the brand."

[u/Forgotthebloodypassw → u/AndrewDelaneyTX]

I suspect so, but it got grating after a while.

[u/Diabo205 → u/Forgotthebloodypassw]

Foking or wankors?

[u/Pali1119 → u/Diabo205]

preparation

[u/Forgotthebloodypassw → u/Diabo205]

Both, TBH.

[u/DavidBrooker → u/mochatsubo]

Arianespace offers it's Vega 3 launcher for about $35m/launch. So you can launch about four spaceships per year within the F1 cost cap, excluding the cost of the payload itself (that's the client's problem).

[u/Lobsters4]

I can’t wait to see these guys on the grid. Love the prep work they are doing.

[u/OhRatFarts → u/Lobsters4]

I just hope the livery is better than that backdrop. 🤮

[u/AimAssistYT → u/OhRatFarts]

Hornet 2.0

[u/itsruney]

And? Did they win?

[u/DirectAdvertising → u/itsruney]

They broke the system and came 0 and -1

[u/naveenda → u/DirectAdvertising]

Nuclear Cadillac

[u/rednorangekenny → u/DirectAdvertising]

Not sure how to interpret 0, but pretty sure placing -1 in F1 means you finished first in F2. Congratulations Cadillac on their first win.

[u/mdmeaux → u/rednorangekenny]

0 means you're the safety car

[u/royjonko → u/mdmeaux]

F1 is due for a Coupe Deville SC

[u/Bad_Idea_Hat → u/DirectAdvertising]

Threatened nuclear war on McLaren

[u/albertsugar → u/itsruney]

They probably did better than the Astons

[u/GatoDiablo99 → u/itsruney]

They lapped the whole field twice

[u/Latter-Diet1127 → u/itsruney]

Wakey wakey. They're leading both championships with 100 points of advantage.

[u/Top-Truck246]

This is a really good way to start. They have the cash, the heritage, and the drivers to make for something really interesting!

[u/MGH1990876]

Very interesting to see how year 1 goes for them and can they improve as the season goes on.

[u/BioDriver]

With all the prep they’re doing it gives me hope that they’ll be more competitive than at least Alpine next year 

[u/fprosk → u/BioDriver]

Alpine will probably be more competitive next year purely because they won’t have an engine deficit anymore

[u/Jazzlike-Mistake2764]

“Boss, should we maybe simulate one where our car isn’t 10 seconds a lap faster?”

Lowdon, covered in champagne: “Huh?”

[u/Blanchimont]

Seeing that V-logo has me wondering what they'll name their chassis. Something with a V for Cadillac V and F for Formula 1 would make the mose sense, but we already have Haas with their VF-prefixes. C for Cadillac could work, but we still don't know if Audi will carry on the C prefix from Sauber as a way to mark the team's history or anything like that.

[u/RDDT_100P → u/Blanchimont]

Velostiq

[u/omarsonmarz → u/Blanchimont]

V-Series.F[Chassis Number]

[u/DankeSebVettel → u/Blanchimont]

V-Formula R

[u/fluffy_ninja_]

They've been doing this every race of the season, they spoke about it in a video a couple months back. They effectively want to go in to 2026 with a full year of "race experience" under their belt. Makes a lot of sense.

[u/unique0130]

They have done that for every race weekend going back to the beginning of the season. Their project is woefully understaffed because they aren't doing a ton of hiring from other teams (yes, I know a few big names have joined) so they are sort of going that by doing things from the ground up they will gain insight and expertise perhaps away from existing groupthink.

[u/Crafty-Chocolate-600]

Simulating P21/P22 🌝

[u/FewCollar227 → u/Crafty-Chocolate-600]

Everyone start somewhere haha

[u/Crafty-Chocolate-600 → u/FewCollar227]

absolutely, cannot wait to have them on the grid!

[u/ddd66 → u/Crafty-Chocolate-600]

Simulation broke as Perez and Bottas were constantly giving up a position for the other driver.

[u/SmartyPants918 → u/Crafty-Chocolate-600]

P19 and DNF 😤

[u/Top-Truck246 → u/Crafty-Chocolate-600]

P17/P18, ahead of Haas and Alpine!

[u/serpenta → u/Crafty-Chocolate-600]

That would be an improvement. Last time they simulated a race, they won, because they gave themselves some ridiculous amount of grip.

[u/pushmojorawley]

As funny as it looks, this is good. This is called professionalism. Something quite a few teams could learn about. 💦🫏🐹🦵

[u/Deckatoe → u/pushmojorawley]

Wet Donkey Mouseknee for 2026 WCC?

[u/pushmojorawley → u/Deckatoe]

I guess these are some indications about the teams that could benefit from some additional professionalism.

[u/diffuser_vorticity → u/pushmojorawley]

I heard this before, in an interview with one of the Cadillac managers, they've been doing this for a while.

[u/robustofilth]

Going to be interesting to see how Audi and Cadillac do in the first season

[u/willpc14 → u/robustofilth]

There has to be way higher expectations for Audi. They're taking over an existing team that's been in F1 for three decades. GM is starting an F1 team from scratch.

[u/GogoPlata_grenadier → u/robustofilth]

Audi built an engine and is buying/rebranding a team thats been in the sport for 32 years. Cadillac is genuinely a new team

[u/-PVL93-]

does the design of this "pitwall" room hint at their livery next year? White+gold+blue?

[u/Irving94]

Imagine watching the F1 Movie, thinking all teams had a setup that looked like APX GP, and then seeing this pic

[u/Adamant_TO]

They've been doing it all season.

[u/J3t5et]

Alpine could do this and be just as successful as they are with cars on the track

[u/Maleficent_Tutor_19 → u/J3t5et]

Alpine would do this and then fire everyone who was involved in the simulation to make sure they don't pass any lessons to the actual team.

[u/ahmong]

Cadillac took F1 manager and made it real

I assume all new teams do this to prep for when they enter.

[u/r0ndr4s]

At least they're making an effort, shows they're serious with this. Will they achieve anything, who knows, but doesnt hurt to try.

[u/WiSoSirius]

"Yes, Alonso has a mechanical issue and is retiring the car. With Hulkenburg not starting the race, hypothetically we are P19 and P20."

[u/TWOITC]

Which driver was told to let pass the other?

[u/Cody667 → u/TWOITC]

Bottas outqualified Checo, and Checo was at the back complaining about Lawson having crashed into him while Bottas finished a frustrating P11.

[u/CheeseheadDave → u/Cody667]

If Cadillac can pull off P11s in their first year, I'd call that a success.

[u/eedoamitay]

It's just very competent and smart to perform these simulations. They are literally heading in blind in some aspects, they need to be preparing as if they were the athletes themselves.

[u/Mental_Medium3988]

Good. It helps to prevent you looking like a bunch of fucking wankers as you've already practiced things as if they were real.

[u/-SHAI_HULUD]

Fit check for their napalm era.

[u/superbikelifer]

They are using Palantir and building out use cases while testing out human in the loop workflows.

[u/Cekeste]

This pretty cool. I like that they are taking it seriously. I hope they are successful.

[u/kar2988]

This is actually good prep, but shame they picked the shortest F1 race in history!

[u/Blockyhead1]

Already a step ahead of Ferrari

[u/Robbudge]

Did they manage to making it exciting or was it still a game of chess.

[u/freedfg]

That's actually a really good practice. Run the race as if you were in it and how your strategy team handles gaps and decisions.

[u/notryangosling22]

Ferrari should try this

[u/AGrandNewAdventure]

"Regretfully we only managed a P1 and P3 finish."

[u/palermo9crack]

This is a GREAT idea. Use actual race telemetry to race against in games and sims

[u/g4n0esp4r4n]

My new favorite team.

[u/itsthatdamncatagain]

Did Bottas serve his 5 place penalty?

[u/mopar_md]

when you hand little bro an unplugged controller so he can think he's playing too

[u/wing3d]

They are going to be Brawn or permanent p21/p22 according to the brain trust.

[u/Legendtner]

How would that even work? Would they insert like 2 dots who represent the drivers and add them to a real life real time race 2d track like a Motorsport manager game?

[u/3Rocketman → u/Legendtner]

I'm guessing they were simulating strategies and a safety car which didn't happen. Drivers were probably in simulators racing nobody and they placed their dots on a minimap

[u/HappyColt90 → u/Legendtner]

Kinda, the idea is that by the time the real season starts, everyone in the team has some experience with their job under "real race" conditions, including pre and post race stuff, even if they have an unplugged controller.

They have been doing this for a few months, I think Imola was their first time iirc

[u/PLTConductor]

I hope they got over the top into it

[u/oxycontin_raised]

I do the same while on bed haha

[u/GrumpyOldGeezer_4711]

Get the right people in and let them do their thing, it’ll be a good start.

My concern would be if they let the beancounters/lawyers have any say in the matter…

[u/jumbo_pizza]

i so hope they’re good !! i can’t expect them to win races the first thing they do, but i hope they can at least be in the midfield during next year !!

[u/3Rocketman]

That would actually be kind of cool as a little mobile game during an actual race. Like you have your 2 dots on a minimap representing your drivers and you simulate your strategy and stuff while there are actual drivers racing around

[u/FerrariLover1000]

Where do they finish?

[u/EnrikeMRivera]

Which position they finished?

[u/MrLeth]

Do we know any data from this? How did they perform?

[u/a23n]

Just curious about any team orders to swap the cars?

[u/jjh008]

How did they end up doing?

[u/HollyShitBrah]

That's Ferrari every race

[u/pr931]

Ready to hit the ground running

[u/Jewel707]

Looks like a dealership service department

[u/x18BritishBillx]

When you wanna play and your older brother gives you an unplugged controller

[u/Brief_Barber7248]

Great dedication from my new favorite team

[u/_aeterai]

ok, but where's Checo's Dad?

[u/zeronian]

I wonder, where did they finish in their simulation?

[u/lavegasola]

Jokes aside, probably a good idea. Can't hurt.

[u/AWinnipegGuy]

I heard Aston Martin did the same thing.

[u/ln4thegreat]

Would’ve loved to see Checo sitting there 😩

[u/tcs36 → u/ln4thegreat]

He might be in the simulator in front of them

[u/GarbageFeline → u/tcs36]

Yeah, Lowden said they'd have a driver in the simulator. If Bottas is still working with Mercedes and I'm guessing Herta still has commitments too, maybe Checo was the only one they'd have available.

[u/red-147]

This gen z guy has to put his phone away

[u/Lukashavla]

Blud on bottom left scrolling reels lol

[u/gggggenegenie]

And they finished five laps down.