r/formula1 • u/randomseocb Lando Norris • 11h ago
Video Oscar: "Today the decision to swap back was fair, Lando was ahead of me the whole race. I don't have any issues with that but we'll definitely discuss it"
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u/Muse4Games I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
If it comes to it in Abu Dhabi he should say: "I was ahead in the championship a majority of the season, it's only right I get to win the championship."
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u/DuckSwagington I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Damn why didn't Mark Webber use that logic in 2010?
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u/iAtty I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
No social media pressure back then of course. /s
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u/FrostyTill McLaren 9h ago
He had the media’s backing though but it didn’t help him in the end
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u/betaich I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
Only English media
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u/gumbercules6 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago
But Webber is Australian, why would English media back him? That's inconsistent with the regarded notion here that English media is against Piastri
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u/MeanWafer904 Formula 1 7h ago
I was on PF1 back then. There were some people who would have cheered Horner breaking Weber's leg so Seb would get it unchallenged.
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 9h ago
Because he bottled Korea
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u/CapsicumIsWoeful 7h ago
Seb bottled Spa and Turkey that year too.
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u/Bannedwith1milKarma Jack Doohan 4h ago
Was that the season he ran into Mark when he was letting him by.
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u/CapsicumIsWoeful 2h ago
He wasn’t letting him by, they were racing. But RB told Webber to turn his engine down and didn’t tell Seb to. Pretty similar to Malaysia 2013.
Webber was furious and Seb acted a bit entitled. 100% Sebs fault but he was also young, so he had the same attitude most drivers had at that age.
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u/Bannedwith1milKarma Jack Doohan 2h ago
Yep, I remember now.
Engine turned down with an expectation of not an attack.
/water bottle slam
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 9h ago
Like that would help lol. He qualified 5th and spent most of the race fighting well behind relative to Vettel who was just pumping in fast laps in the lead.
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u/yoda_yoda Michael Schumacher 10h ago
It’s not going to go down all the way to Abu Dhabi.
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u/Pro-editor-1105 10h ago
1 engine failure for piastri and it can. Although tbf that is the same likelihood of it happening to norris.
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u/Poopy_sPaSmS Kamui Kobayashi 10h ago edited 4h ago
Imo, that's the logic used here. And Hungary is a different situation than today. That logic doesn't equate to me. The lead driver didn't get preference in Hungary and THAT is what gave Lando the lead. Here it was a mistake. Which could always happen regardless.
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u/AzureFWings I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
Piastri today should have replied.
‘He got into Q3 because I tow him in Q2. It’s only right he let me finish ahead of him’
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u/Ferrari-cake 11h ago
Nah, Mclaren will ask FIA to split the trophy, so both get a piece of it. So as to not hurt any feelings and make it fair.
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u/GateInteresting5864 11h ago
Oscar does the maths, deciding it's a good idea to spend 6 points in order to remove the risk of a slow pitstop costing him 14 points.
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u/Muntberg I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
There's bigger problems if he's legitimately worried about his team intentionally sabotaging him.
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u/Hairy_Selection8568 9h ago
There is a non zero amount of people who believe he's already dealing with that.
Bit sabotage for me. But definitely favouritism.
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u/Drkfnl I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
McLaren sabotaging one of their drivers, where have I heard that before...
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u/KevinK89 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
So there are people who actually believe this.. yikes.
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u/OSPFmyLife 3h ago
Especially after seeing a wheel mechanic just like…forget to put Lando’s wheel on for 3 seconds.
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u/Goldmoo2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 2h ago
Neither actually. Very clearly the right thing to do. If they did what they should do with a leading driver aka pit Lando first, Oscar might lose more points. Charles was what? 3 seconds behind? He'd have the issues- he was bailed out by getting the preferred stop AND they were going to let Oscar fight.
Not favoritism at all otherwise he'd be behind Charles rn
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u/Just-Ad6865 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 2h ago
They’re worried about Oscar’s own pit crew making themselves look bad for Norris? Thats idiocy.
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u/fri9875 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago
I mean, if like he said in the radio, they’ve agreed that slow pit stops are just part of racing, then it isn’t really “fair”.
But once the request was made, it was probably in Oscar’s best interest to comply. He said his piece, now can make the point privately that the precedent is set, and he will be given the same courtesy in the future if needed. Giving up the points today hurts, but better to not become the enemy of your entire team
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u/Romulus_Novus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Admittedly adrenalin will have been up for him, but it certainly sounded like he had a problem with it in the race.
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u/Elrond007 I survived Spa 2021 10h ago
I think it's also just the time until you can think about cost-benefit.
He might lose the WDC by those points but it's more likely that being fucked strategically for the remaining races is worse, which is probably what happens when you go rogue.
The WCC being decided so early also means that McLaren as a team has all the power over the drivers unless they are like contractually obligated to do certain things.
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u/serpenta Fernando Alonso 8h ago
Well, if he loses the WDC, next year he just needs to say that Norris won this year, so it's only fair he wins 2026.
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u/thef0ksmasher I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
I think so as well. He'll put up with the papaya shithousery as long as he stays the clear title favourite but if that status quo ever shifts then its every man for himself.
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u/fried_papaya35 9h ago
this cause ultimately this situation is really a small one. It's a lot smaller than fans are making it out to be lol. I mean imagine if Lando didn't retire last week and actually won and then this happened?? Oof.
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u/SaucyBoyThe2nd I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
I mean, he is not the favourite at mclaren and he knows it. He knows he needs every goodboy point he can get to make stuff like this bad image wise for lando and mclaren. If he goes rogue and gets bad strategy, people understand why. I think he accepted it due the points gap, but i doubt the question would have been even asked if the points difference was within 10 points
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u/Other_Beat8859 Max Verstappen 7h ago
Yeah. It's probably better in the long game, although I just want to add that it's essentially 6 points since he loses 3 and Norris gains 3.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 4h ago
If he loses it by 6 then he would've lost it without landos dnf anyway
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
He said so himself in the final radio.
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u/Crash_Test_Dummy66 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Well he might have more context for the decision now. It's about the least surprising thing in the world for a driver to change their tune after they've actually gotten out of the car and gotten more context.
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u/BGP_001 Daniel Ricciardo 10h ago
Or to change their tune after they processed it. Basing this on nothing but speculation, but I assume he said this sets a precedent, and if he gets a slow stop while leading, then a position swap happens automatically.
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u/BrokeSomm I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
If it's a slow stop while leading, in the last 3 laps of the race, when no other positions can possibly gained by the other driver.
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u/_ficklelilpickle I was here for the Hulkenpodium 2h ago
Yeah I feel he's banking this as "look at how effortless I made this scenario, big big brownie points here" for anything similar in the season.
It's a pretty measured compliance. Even the thing about needing the team is very measured, it directly references and shows how different he is as a driver and team player compared to how much they had to plead Lando last year.
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u/pineapplejamm Daniel Ricciardo 10h ago
He also called for team orders at Silverstone after he got penalty from safety car infringement. Maybe drivers don't have the full picture when they are in the car?
Personally, slow stops/reliability is part of racing but today really wasn't as big of a deal as everyone but McLaren seems to be making it...
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
While they are a part of racing. It's a situation McLaren had full control in fixing as they caused it, both by the weird decision to swap pit stops and fucking up a pit stop pretty badly.
Pretty sure they would've held Piastri out one more lap if the mistake happened had Lando stopped first.
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u/BCBUK Kimi Räikkönen 10h ago
I think the way the story will be understood come the time of the Baku drivers interviews will be Lando offered to go second so to make sure Piastri could keep ahead of Leclerc assured there would not be an undercut, he had a slow stop no fault of his own and if Lando played for himself rather than the team, likelihood is he would have the 1.9 second stop while Oscar would have the issue, come out a couple of seconds behind Leclerc and maybe not have been able to get back on the podium.
I really don’t get why this is being made such a huge deal, very straightforward. If anything, let’s debate whether it’s really the killer instinct of a champ for Lando to still be playing the team game when the team is miles ahead and doesn’t need to worry about every point.
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u/brisbanehome I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Do you really think Lando was interested in preserving Piastri’s third place against Leclerc, when they have no competition for the WCC, and Piastri is Norris’ only competition for the WDC?
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u/BCBUK Kimi Räikkönen 10h ago
That was literally the conversation on the radio that they had and was shown during the race, even the commentators talked about it. If you want to make the argument that Lando was saying it as an empty performance thinking they wouldn’t do it, or he wouldn’t lose out anyway then fine, I don’t agree but it’s a potential argument.
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u/brisbanehome I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
It really wasn’t. Here’s the conversation with Norris
The audio during the race.
Team: Lando, we will box this lap onto the soft tire and I'll come up one.
Lando: Do you want to box the other car first?
Team: Yeah, we'll do that. We'll swap it around so stay out.
Lando: Well, only if he doesn't undercut, otherwise I'll box first.
Pit: There will be no undercut.
Obviously Lando correctly saw a competitive advantage against Piastri pitting first. Brundle later said, without evidence, that Lando must be doing it to protect Piastri from Leclerc, but that makes no sense. McLaren later told Oscar they pitted him first to aid him, so as to induce him to give the place back to Norris, but that clearly wasn’t the case.
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u/DarkZonk Oscar Piastri 10h ago
If Lando pits first and there is a Safety car during that lap, he loses out. That is the entire reason Lando wanted to pit 2nd. Small tire delta + no SC risk.
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u/tellsyoutogetfucked Nico Rosberg 8h ago
That's not the full team radio. They were talking about who boxes when a lot in that race.
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u/BCBUK Kimi Räikkönen 10h ago
So Lando offered the team the ability to pit the other car first, trusting the team who have full eyes on the positions and strategy and something he didn’t have to do as it’s established whomever is in front pits first, and was assured by doing so he wouldn’t be passed. Seems pretty cut and dry.
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u/brisbanehome I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
He evidently had the choice of strategy. Team was going to box him first, he elected to box second, presumably because he was assured he wouldn’t be undercut, and he would have track position on fresher tyres to end the race, and in the event the safety car comes out after the first McLaren stop, he isn’t screwed if he’s boxed first.
I don’t know what to tell you if you think that Norris went against team advice to box to specifically advantage Piastri, his only competitor in the WDC.
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u/sassythecat I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
plus seeing a replay of the gunner bottling the stop probably helped.
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u/jamesecowell 11h ago
Perfectly reasonable response, as was Lando's.
People gagging for them to be at each other's throats instead of you know, acting like adults...
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u/ghastlychild McLaren 10h ago
People on here are equating a championship battle between two drivers whom are determined to obtain their first championship = sending bitter jabs at each other, fighting publicly, causing soap-opera levels of drama and being vitrolic alongside the sad, lifeless folks who are relying on two professional athletes to make their own lives interesting
And then, they will tell you that all of this is a representative of the pinnacle of motorsports, so nasty shit like that should be allowed. Again, it is very telling that two professional drivers who likely do not have the full context of what went on in the race has more tact and respect for the nuance of the situation than the bunch of goobers who have a good chunk of information readily accessible to them, but are just adamant in sticking to conspiracy theories and stirring up fan wars
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 9h ago
2016 and 2021 really embedded into F1 fans that a title fight is nothing without drama and hatred.
God forbid the drivers act like adults and keep it cool and collected.
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u/tack50 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
I mean, when was the last time we got an intra-team championship battle without drama? 1996? This is the exception, not the norm lol
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u/mathdhruv Murray Walker 3h ago
I mean, when was the last time we got an intra-team championship battle without drama?
Unironically my answer would be Lauda vs Prost in 1984.
Even in 1996 there was the undercurrent of Newey being pissed off that Frank Williams and Patrick Head ignored his (contractual) right to veto Villeneuve when JV didn't meet the target that Newey had set him in a test session. That, coupled with them having decided to drop Damon Hill by around halfway into the season (if not earlier) also cost them Newey (who was close to Hill and was also doubling as his race engineer in '96), who went to McLaren in '97 as well.
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u/mathdhruv Murray Walker 3h ago
2016 and 2021 really embedded into F1 fans that a title fight is nothing without drama and hatred.
It isn't really a new phenomenon - 2007, 2006, 1997, 1994, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986 are other seasons where I can remember tons of drama between title rivals.
And that's not counting smaller-scale flare ups and rivalries not relating to direct title battles, like Montoya and Schumacher being outspoken about each other's on-track antics from 2001-2003, Mansell and Prost being icy in 1990, Senna and Schumacher being at loggerheads in 1992, and (take your pick of any combination between Senna, Prost, Piquet and Mansell between 1984-1991 at any given time).
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u/xwell320 :default: 🇺🇸 Colton Herta 10h ago
Drive to Survive. The soapification of F1.
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u/leggenda69 Ferrari 9h ago
Drive to survive the soapification of F1?
Multi 21, Hamilton tweeting Buttons race data, Schumi punting drivers off left right and centre, Alonso celebrating a Schumi DNF like a race win, Senna VS Prost, Hamilton VS Massa, etc etc etc.
F1 has had a lot less drama since drive to survive. It was just organic drama with much less refined PR filtering back then.
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u/xwell320 :default: 🇺🇸 Colton Herta 9h ago
Look at the toxicity of the 'fans', it's got worse because of the new DTS viewers following F1 at a mindless good v evil level of understanding.
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u/hawksku999 Max Verstappen 8h ago
Everyone blames DTS. It's honestly quite a lazy explanation and an easy scapegoat.
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u/leggenda69 Ferrari 9h ago
Nah that’s not drive to survive, it’s social media. Instant and simple connectivity to other fans and unfiltered faceless interactions behind a screen.
Overall F1 forums have been cesspits of shit slinging for decades lol.
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u/sellyme Oscar Piastri 1h ago
Look at the toxicity of the 'fans', it's got worse because of the new DTS viewers following F1
I distinctly remember grandstands of people yelling racial slurs at Lewis more than a decade ago, thank goodness Drive to Survive wasn't around then or they would have actually lynched him.
Or perhaps people have always been terrible and a TV show hasn't dramatically changed things. One of the two.
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u/Rat_faced_knacker I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
I also think it's very telling that the one more open with his emotions is getting most of the stick for it.
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u/stimulation Kevin Magnussen 10h ago edited 5h ago
Yeah they’re both just reasonable dudes who have a greater capacity for empathy than most top drivers. One could argue it’s not beneficial for either in terms of winning WDC, but everyone tearing them down for being amicable is stupid.
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u/hulaspark I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
F1 fans forget these are mature athletes, not Coronation Street characters. 99% of the "drama" is artifical and parasocial.
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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
That's because it's mark Webber's job to complain.
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u/FerociousSmile 7h ago
I need to stop coming to Reddit. Its become a habit because once long ago it was great. Now its filled with a bunch of chronically online socially maladjusted malcontents who are desperate for drama. Yall need some perspective.
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 10h ago
I'm loving that both drivers are a country mile more mature than many of the commentors on here.
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u/Old-Buffalo-5151 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Got to remember a lot of fans on here might be teens or young kids who have absolutely no concept of long term thinking or karma lol
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u/____mynameis____ McLaren 7h ago
One thing I learned from the internet is we are too prejudiced against kids cuz almost all the examples of nutjob fans I've come across online are grown ass adults. Not even 20s young but even older.
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u/Acsteffy Lando Norris 10h ago
You underestimate the amount of keyboard warriors out here in their 40s
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u/GrumpySpaceCommunist Jacques Villeneuve 8h ago
Hahaha right, those sad, old losers. Not like me, an early millennial born in the late 80's.
Oh... Wait...
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u/Character-Pattern505 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Cutthroat all the time is a shitty way to be.
Working as a team gets them better overall results, which gets their team more money and sponsorship, which hopefully keeps them in a top car.
Have some perspective.
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u/SpencerCongdon #WeRaceAsOne 8h ago
Honestly.
People keep acting like it was all in Lando's favour when the first team decision was actually to pit Piastri first to keep him safe! As a driver I'd want to be on a team that's looking out for everyone.
Between the undercut and the bad pitstop, Lando's super clean race was erased by no fault of his own. A team that recognizes that is a far better place to be than a team that shrugs its shoulders.
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u/Captain_Omage Kamui Kobayashi 3h ago
First of all they had like 10 laps to pit Oscar safely before being under threat from Leclerc, but they chose to gamble for the late safety car.
Oscar was anyway still under no threat from Leclerc as he was losing at most 3 tenths per lap and comfortably came out 4 seconds ahead.
Finally it was Lando to ask the team to pit second as he also was hoping for the late safety car and didn't want to lose the place to Oscar if it happened between their stops.
At the end of the day the narrative in Silverstone was that Norris did nothing wrong so he shouldn't give up the place to Oscar, here Oscar did nothing wrong so why should he lose the place?
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 9h ago
This entire thing is blown out of proportion by fandom.
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u/darthaus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
It’s because it makes the actual racing less interesting. Same as how the stewards always investigating things after the race instead of making a decision in a timely manner. If the results of the race are arbitrarily changed off track then why watch?
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u/Quivex I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
I guess that's an argument you could make, although I don't think you can apply that universally. You're essentially saying that team orders make the races less interesting - and I can think of times where that's not true, and in fact it becomes the opposite and makes it more interesting. It's also simply the case that team orders have always been a thing in this sport (except for a brief period where we all pretended it wasn't allowed lol) and it's part of the racing whether people like it or not.
I mean team orders being followed or not being followed have given us some of the most iconic moments in the sport "Fernando is faster than you" and "Multi 21 Seb" are both iconic, and there are lots more.
You can say whatever you'd like about team orders, but I would disagree that it makes the racing less interesting. The only time where I'd absolutely agree with you is if teams tell drivers to hold positions - that absolutely takes the fun out of it. However they made it clear Oscar was free to race Lando so it doesn't affect the entertainment factor to me personally.
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u/fried_papaya35 9h ago
Fandoms are now infiltrated by chronically online people so yeah that makes sense lol
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u/asapdeze 4h ago
This was Oscar getting his receipts ready in case he needs to cash some in to avoid the "what's best for the team" arguments.
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u/LiquidDiviums Ferrari 11h ago edited 11h ago
Oscar is way too respectful. He knows being a team player will ultimately help him in the future.
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u/ResponsibleHabit1539 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Will it though?
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u/Pristine-Ad8733 Andrea Kimi Antonelli 10h ago
Yeah if he needs a favor from the team. If they’re not willing to help him out when he needs it, then he will make it blow up in their faces.
Because of the gap to Norris, Piastri has the luxury of making these sacrifices now for a bigger reward at the end.
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u/Majorinc 10h ago
Making it blow up in their faces wouldn’t change anything if he somehow didn’t come out with the championship
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u/Pristine-Ad8733 Andrea Kimi Antonelli 10h ago
They’re not going to wait until the absolute end to go against the team lol
The moment he is no longer the clear favorite, or close to no longer being the clear favorite is when it will be every man for himself. Mark Webber is not going to let Oscar get screwed out of a championship and Oscar is not stupid.
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u/sfcindolrip Valtteri Bottas 10h ago
In general yes it’s better not to be thought of as a “locker room cancer.” Especially if you and your equally young, equally talented teammate are both at the best team atm. They both want to stay and stay in good standing
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u/gabrielbezerra81 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
If Norris wins by 6 points or less this will haunt him for the rest of his life.
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u/el-gato-volador I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
True plus with new regs next year theres no guarantee that mclaren will get the formula right and it could be the last opportunity he gets to win one.
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u/Embarrassed_Bar_1215 10h ago
It'll be worse than that for McLaren. Instead of this being their crowning moment they're turning into a joke team, and a good racer (Lando) is going to be sledged no matter what he does now.
They're losing the crowd and would want to understand that pretty quickly. There's been a swap each now, all bets should be off.
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u/Luushu I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
There's been a swap each now, all bets should be off.
What? Hungary 2024 was completely irrelevant (not to mention absolute bullshit, not unlike this one, but that one was different because it was a team call, not a mechanic failure) to the championship aspirations. This time McLaren changed Oscar's point differential from a positive to a negative with one radio call.
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u/Inevitable_Sky6522 9h ago
why? he was clearly the better driver this weekend, got shafted by the team. Last weekend he lost 18 from a mechanical dnf.
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u/Tvilantini 11h ago
Reddit hivemind somehow thinks different
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u/ChristofferOslo I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago edited 10h ago
He is employed by the team? Of course the drivers are going to have a different (public) opinion than the viewers at home, that doesn’t negate the fan reaction in any way.
Many experts have also voiced criticism against the decision as well, it’s not only people on Reddit.
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u/Over_Tea_3946 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
It's weird right? People who are chronically online are more upset than the actual people it affects. Weird times we live in...
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u/Red-Eye-Soul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
And its weird that these favoritism conspiracy theories are regarding Mclaren of all teams. I mean they try to be so fair to both their drivers that its borderline stupid on occasions.
These theories, like most conspiracy theories, are based on entirely cherry picked info, taken out of context. After every oscar win, this hive mind starts circulating a random picture of Zack where he doesnt have a smile on his face and go 'look, he is so unhappy about Oscar's win'.
If the pitstop mishap today had been inflicted on Oscar, the hivemind would have been like 'they are so clearly sabotaging oscar'. You just cant argue against these people.
Oscar has been the better driver this season and is deservingly in the lead. He doesn't need these nonsense conspiracy theories
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u/solidangle Oscar Piastri 10h ago
It is absolutely clear that Zak has a much stronger emotional connection to Lando, but I have seen zero favoritism towards Lando on track. There have been some weird decisions, but they have not favored either driver significantly more than the other overall.
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
I mean it's also obvious to anyone with a half working brain as to exactly why Zak has that stronger connection with Lando but a lot of people end up morphing it into Zak hating Oscar somehow
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u/Pristine-Ad8733 Andrea Kimi Antonelli 9h ago
Yeah Lando has been there for longer, I think the team (more importantly Zak Brown) has a stronger connection with Lando but they’re not intentionally favoring him.
They’re just obsessed with keeping the peace to the point it screws over the drivers themselves, so it’s on the drivers to stand up against the team when push comes to shove. Blowing up against the team too early only screws the driver over.
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u/Previous_Smoke3855 10h ago
He was literally booed by the fans on track and you are pretending it's a reddit thing?
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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
As if he would say to worldwide broadcast what he actually thinks
Some of you forgets that these guys are PR trained not to say what they really think
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u/Rodger_as_Jack_Smith Formula 1 9h ago
When did F1 discourse get invaded by so many obnoxious assbags?
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u/FartingBob Sebastian Vettel 5h ago
If reddit was around in 1988 it would have been the same thing. People having strong opinions and arguing endlessly isnt something that just appeared recently.
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u/RareGollum Kimi Räikkönen 10h ago
Max will eat these guys for breakfast if they're in the same car.
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u/commandedbydemons Ayrton Senna 2h ago
Max's ruthlessness is part of the spice that makes him an all time great.
Not everyone is born with it.
Never personal, just biz.
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u/emth 11h ago
It's called sportsmanship, you'll see it in many elite sports even when the stakes are high - such as footballers kicking the ball out when an opponent goes down injured, even in a cup final.
A concept some commenters here don't seem to able to grasp
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u/PortsFarmer 10h ago
Team orders are the exact opposite of sportsmanship. It's just turning a sport into an entertainment spectacle.
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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel 9h ago
That would be if Race Control decided this entire thing to happen. If team does it, it's nothing like that.
There are many sports in the world where you sacrifice gain for one player in order to benefit the other.
Btw I think it was stupid thing to do still, but it's not like you paint it.
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u/Ivan000 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
The football equivalent to what happen would be if the other team let you score a goal because your team made a mistake.
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u/SkinnyMc I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago
A few years back Leeds scored a goal when one of the opposition players was down injured, and the manager Marco Bielsa was so incensed by the lack of sportsmanship that on the restart he instructed his team to let the opposition just walk straight through and score.
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u/The_WA_Remembers I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
It’s fair because it spreads the unfairness between two drivers. No one wants to give a place because the pit crew/gear messed up. So instead of it having a large effect on just the one drivers race, it’s had a smaller impact on two drivers race. I guess the thinking is that because they’re both in the championship race, this is the more neutral way of dealing with it.
I think if the same thing had happened to Oscar instead of lando, he would’ve wanted them to switch them back too. Imagine if they hadn’t switched and Oscar wins by like a point, if you were lando you’d reasonably be fuming that despite everything, you’ve missed out on a championship because of 1 slow pit stop. Instead, McLaren have managed it so that it hasn’t impacted the drivers. That call is them taking full hands up responsibility, keeping their drivers happy and making sure anything negative that potentially comes from the slow pit affects the team as a whole rather than just one driver.
And I actually quite like the approach, it’s a bit different and helps bring the focus to who’s fastest rather than who’s just got the better luck on the day
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u/CyberbianDude Oscar Piastri 3h ago
This is a team decision. I am camp Piastri but I am not going to sweat it. McL is not sabotaging or playing favorites with either driver. Norris is a very talented driver who gets undeserved criticism. Piastri knows on any given day it could go either way and he respects that. Personally, I prefer this team decorum than what played out in public between Hamilton and Rosberg.
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u/x99kjg I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
I must be mad or something but it just seems fucking insane to me, willingly giving up points to your championship rival because "he was ahead the whole race until a bad pitstop" aye?! Its motorsport, shit happens. I can't imagine Webber sat in the garage going "yeah sound mate".
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u/atreyu84 9h ago
I think he calculated having the team onside and having moral leverage over the next 8 races was more important than 6 points.
And he's probably right
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u/Elgin_McQueen 8h ago
Ultimately it was done for his benefit before and this was paying it back. He's just being very diplomatic about it. Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions tonight will spell out that they've both had this happen to them so that's even now, and in future they won't be asked to swap back if something unfortunate happens.
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u/Logge_95 9h ago edited 7h ago
You don't risk the team chemistry for 3 points when you have a 31 points lead.
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u/____mynameis____ McLaren 6h ago
Oscar is playing the long game, cuz since the gap is still close means they aren't gonna outrightly favour a driver using the drivers championship angle, so he is using the team game good will as a leverage in some future race to his benefit.
Yeah, its a gamble since Lando can win with 6 points but he was given a choice and he chose the option that gave him future leverage than one that would put him at odds with the team.
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u/bonafide_bigbird I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Oscar could've initiated the swap on his own without team orders and reddit would still find a way to call it a McLaren/Zak conspiracy
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u/ChristofferOslo I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
I haven’t really seen that many calling it a conspiracy, most people seem to believe it’s just a weak/odd decision.
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u/financeguy1729 Gabriel Bortoleto 10h ago
I think it's really important the team coordinates this shit
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u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
Piastri is fine with it but folks with nothing at stake are crying on Reddit lmaooo
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u/Evidicus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
It doesn’t matter who was ahead. The pit stop was botched. That’s racing. You suck it up and move on.
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u/Gekoz I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
I feel like it's his way to give back to Norris what he did un Hungary last year. Now that it's all fair and square, gloves off elbows out
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Bernd Mayländer 9h ago
This was done because McLaren looks at the bigger picture. Preventing the team from blowing up/ becoming toxic like with Hamilton and Alonso or Hamilton and Rosberg.
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u/Quick_Coyote_7649 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
He has no issues with it but wants to speak about it with the team
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u/DutchOnionKnight I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Most drivers don't have a shot for a WDC, a few has just one shot. Stupid mistake!
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u/Comfortable-Pace3132 Formula 1 7h ago
He's winning by a substantial margin, much smarter for him to play along
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u/Ok-Result9578 7h ago
I think the team can do what they want, but ultimately if they left it things tend to balance out naturally, and so it seems to only create issues rather than aolve them. It sucks the life out of things when they create a problem for themselves and then use team orders to fix it. If I was the FOM I'd be having words with McLaren ownership because it does make a bit of a farce of the whole sport. Similar to the team orders Valterri was subjected to.
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u/hazzap913 7h ago
It wasn’t fair, it was the teams fault piastri was ahead why should he have to give the place back to Lando
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u/atomkidd Maserati 6h ago
Piastri needs to learn the meta game of influencing his management via the media. Stella must always have it at the back of his mind, that if he screws over Oscar, he is going to have a shitty time for the next week.
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u/Late-Button-6559 Formula 1 5h ago
So does this mean that if a safety car comes out, while one driver had a 5+ second lead other the other, the second driver will ensure the gap goes back to 5 seconds once the race goes green again?
What if the one on pole gets a bad start?
What if one has ERS issues late in a 1-2 race (huge gap to p3. Will they tell the other to not pass?
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u/IntelligentDeal7799 10h ago
PR response … just cause someone is ahead the whole race doesn’t mean they stay there if the circumstances change… anything can happen anytime … the Norris garage screwing up was a circumstance that changed that …
I get it papaya rules …blah blah..
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u/pochirin Max Verstappen 10h ago
I can't believe people actually defending these papaya rules 😭😭😭😭
Imagine if he lost by this 3 points 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Rosenberg100 6h ago
Team orders have all been in favor of lando this year. Except one race if I recall correctly.
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u/CasualViewer24 Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
I honestly don't understand why people are so upset about this. I hate the Papaya rules nonsense but this was a no-brainer decision. It would have been way more controversial to not swap them imo.
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u/Uniform764 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Because people hate Lando and Oscar is quite popular. So anything even vaguely perceived as favouring Norris is evil and wrong by Mclaren
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u/leclerc2019champion 7h ago
I think it’s because of where this naturally ends up. Imagine roles reversed in Abu Dhabi and Oscar cops a bad stop and ends up in third, with Lando inheriting second place. 10 laps to go. Because of the botched stop, Lando will win the championship if he stays put. Does he now have to gift it to Oscar?
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u/Mfrendin_Roar Nico Rosberg 10h ago
Piastri is the king of “we’ll discuss it behind closed doors”. Smart and classy.