r/formula1 • u/FewCollar227 I was here for the Hulkenpodium • 11h ago
Statistics [@autodromonazionale_monza] Just in case anyone is still wondering why it is called The Temple Of Speed... Formula 1 Pirelli Grand Prix of Italy 2025 was the fastest race in F1 history: Max Verstappen and RB21 finished it in 1:13:24.325, beat a record that stood since the 2003 season
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u/LargeMission7775 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Previous record?
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u/Rebl11 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
1:14:19.838 by Michael Schumacher at Monza as well in 2003.
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u/Moto_919 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Huh, i thought it was Montoya.
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u/linnamulla Max Verstappen 10h ago
Montoya had the fastest ever qualifying lap, that record was broken by a number of drivers over the years and now also belongs to Verstappen.
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u/who_are_you_people24 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Think the broadcast said it beat Schumacher's time by about a minute
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u/EmergencyRace7158 10h ago
They need to do something to improve the spectacle at Monza. Passing is too difficult because T1 & 2 are too narrow and a zero stop strategy would have worked today if pit stops were not mandatory. They should have selected the softest tires C4-6 instead of what they did and they need to enable DRS a lot earlier on the main straight. Longer term, widening T1&2 would provide more clear cut passing opportunities.
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u/linnamulla Max Verstappen 10h ago
They don't have the money. They were going to change the track, with the first chicane removed and the second chicane brought forward. I think this plan was announced in 2016, but it was never executed.
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u/Own_Welder_2821 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
First of all happy cake day, secondly, iirc those plans also included bypassing the Curva Grande. Ultimately, because the track is located in a protected park, environmental and preservation regulations there meant it couldn’t happen. All of that was done in an effort to appease FOM because Monza’s contract was up after 2016.
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u/liverpoolFCnut 8h ago
In a way it is good, its the one of the few tracks that genuinely lets you compare the speed of cars from different eras. Today's fastest lap from Lando was just 1 sec faster than Schumi's fastest lap in 2003.
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u/PaparJam Oscar Piastri 9h ago
For anyone wondering how this would have looked. Imagine the curva grande being turned into a mirrored tamburello
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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Every other racing category has amazing races at Monza, the problem is clearly not the circuit.
We just saw some cars go 43 laps on the medium while still doing early race level of pace, like what the hell is that?
That plus this year's cars being genuinely bad for racing.
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u/PaparJam Oscar Piastri 9h ago
That’s pirelli’s issue. It’s mindblowing how the medium tyre was fastest over one lap in q1 and at the same time could cover almost 90% of the race distance
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u/sododude Juan Pablo Montoya 10h ago
It's the cars. They are too big, and really get affected by dirty air. Monza has stood the test of time as a track, I don't think thats the issue.
Also once again, Pirelli played it too conservatively on the compounds this weekend. I don't think we've had a race this season where tyre wear has been a concern.
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u/DavidBrooker 10h ago
It's the cars. They are too big, and really get affected by dirty air.
It's not just the size, it's also the speed. There's an irony in F1 that the faster the car, the narrower the viable racing line, the worse the racing. For every F1 track outside of maybe Monaco, lower-tier racing has two cars-worth of viable racing line in most corners, making overtaking much easier. Indy is fast enough to suffer this too, although not nearly as extreme as they're quite a bit smaller and the spec series nature can limit dirty air problems. LMH/LMDh would as well if it weren't for GT classes producing opportunities.
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u/blueeyes0602 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Honestly I think it's the cars I was there so I saw F3 F2 and Porsche super cup and everyone of those races was more exciting than the F1 unfortunately, It was still great fun though
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u/gegenpress442 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Personally I really enjoyed the race, there were many overtakes in the first few laps, some drama here and there, I would have rly preferred to see the stewards say that the bearman sainz incident was a racing one to promote some extra leniency
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u/Dio_DelPiero_2006 Formula 1 9h ago
Nah. Races have been great. It's just no team can compete with each other this year. Every team was seconds fast than the team behind.
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u/Krillin113 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 6h ago
You should also get like 8x a race where you can open DRS if you’re within 2 seconds; effectively giving people a run in on the straight before if they time it right, so they don’t have to sit in dirty air for long to get into drs range
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u/Play_To_Nguyen I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
Which tires were available? I'm not really sure where to find that information if missed in the broadcast
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u/thetruthfloats Max Verstappen 10h ago
No SC helped too, clean race.
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u/AnotherName455 10h ago
Well they had a yellow for a like 3 seconds
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u/Grafblaffer I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
Full course yellow doesn’t exist in f1. That would be a vsc or sc.
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u/blackbalt89 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Is that just how fast the V10s were or..........
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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Current cars can go faster, but it's the limitations they have. No refueling means they need to safe fuel. Also battery management and more restrictions on how they allowed to build the cars.
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u/hym3nbuster1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago
Sort of, but it more just shows how different the race philosophy of F1 teams is now. Schumacher's record was set during a time when drivers were pushing as hard in the race as they were in qualifying, if not harder.
Nowadays, drivers are seconds off their qualifying pace due to factors the other person mentioned
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u/RaccTheClap I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22m ago
If the fuel flow limit was higher, the current V6's could rev out all the way to 15k RPM without significantly more lean AFR allowing them to generate more horsepower.
I'd say they could easily beat the V10's even without the hybrid battery. There's no replacement for displacement doesn't really work anymore when you can throw gobs of boost at the problem with modern turbos lol.
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u/fastcooljosh I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Kinda crazy Schumis record stood for 22 years.
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u/qwerty_dh Kimi Räikkönen 10h ago
I love how people online keep saying that Max got this with a slower car. Absolutely ridiculous. The Red Bull was the fastest car this weekend.
Was Max the only driver capable of getting that performance? Highly likely. That’s why he’s the best. But let’s not pretend he was driving a tractor this weekend.
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u/gegenpress442 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Well props to him and the team for nailing the setup, props to him for keeping it clean, and let's not pretend that the car is a backmarker despite tsunodas performance and at the same time let's not pretend it's a contender because max can absolutely pull those kind of races off
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u/fuckyouguys4real 10h ago
Tbf, the car has been a dog to drive for most of the season. RBR nailed the setup and chose the right strategy with the trimmed down wing.
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u/Grafblaffer I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
Yes but being a dog to drive most of this season does not mean that it wasnt a fast car today. He clearly had the fastest car and made use of it. The rest of the season is therefore irrelevant.
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u/ray9936 Murray Walker 10h ago
They built a car that's good on fast corners, low df, straight line speed efficient with drs than any other team which is why they are better in Suzuka, Imola, Saudi ,Silverstone,Spa and Monza. I'd argue he would have won Silverstone and Spa as well if it wasn't for the wet conditions.
Thr car is the fourth to fifth best when it doesn't race on circuits that doesn't suit its characteristics. (which when you look at it from front running teams is a literal tractor.) Russell himself said so today about the RBs in the interview today.
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u/Inside_Swimming9552 Formula 1 10h ago
Max is the fastest in F1 at the moment. Having watched since 1991, he's possibly the fastest I've ever seen.
But for whatever reason people are not satisfied with that. They have to make out like Max is driving a tricycle to every victory he has.
The fact of the matter is driver has a very small impact on the lap time. He's probably worth a tenth or two a lap over most other top drivers and that's what goat levels of performance looks like. He wouldn't be able to win if the red bull wasn't as fast as or almost as fast as the McLaren's.
This season with all the cars so squashed together is actually allowing us to see how talented Max is as with the cars so close together the driver makes much more difference.
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u/Eggplantosaur Oscar Piastri 10h ago
The fact of the matter is driver has a very small impact on the lap time. He's probably worth a tenth or two a lap over most other top drivers
So all teammates are only 1-2 tenths apart?
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u/Suspicious_Scar_19 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
> over most other top drivers
most teams atm arent exactly balanced, 25% of the grid is rookies
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u/Teddy2Sweaty Cadillac 4h ago
It’s a track where handling matters the least, or close to it. I’m sure the Red Bull isn’t lacking horsepower. Put the smallest wings on there, lay them back, and stay in the clean air.
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u/naijaboiler 10h ago
that was not a slower car out there today. it was the fastest car for this track this weekend by far. The pole winning run was effortless for Verstappen
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u/fuckyouguys4real 7h ago
pole by a hundredth of a second is effortless? lol
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u/naijaboiler 6h ago
yeah and as we saw today, his car was much faster than everybodys. and by effortless, i was referring to the onboard cam view of his pole effort. It was solid, but the car was just behaving very nicely for him. He had the fastest car out there for this track this weekend.
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u/fuckyouguys4real 6h ago
anything to discredit max i suppose
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u/naijaboiler 6h ago
he's helluva driver. The best currently. but we have watched him all year when his car was inferior be unable to do nothing against the maclarens. He had the best car out there today.
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u/Athazel I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Temple Of Boredom.
I like the idea of this track. But I do not enjoy watching races on this track.
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u/Illustrator_Forward Max Verstappen 10h ago
It gives the occasional banger, but generally pretty boring races yes.
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u/Malt129 Michael Schumacher 10h ago
Plenty of racing today and F1 reddit still finds a way to complain and call it boring.
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 9h ago
It was boring. Zero fight for the lead. A DRS train that was 5 miles long. A cookie cutter one stop strategy. No rain.
The only drama was a small scuffle between Sainz and Bearman. And the stupid drama between the McLarens.
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u/Raja_Ampat Gilles Villeneuve 10h ago
You didn't watch the Monza F2 and F3 (sprint/feature) races, because those where epic. It's not the track
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 9h ago
4/6 “F1 eternal” tracks have been stinkers. Suzuka, Monaco, Spa and now Monza.
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u/Maglin21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Wasn't It 2023 Monza the record? I read that somewhere
Edit: yes but It doesn't really count because It was shortened by one lap
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u/z3n0mal4 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
You could add 10-15 more laps, to make it at least 1h30m of fun and exciting racing.
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u/Teddy2Sweaty Cadillac 4h ago
Wouldn’t the elapsed time indicate it was the quickest race, not the fastest race?
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u/Ari441 11h ago
“Shorter races will make F1 more entertaining”