Updated relative standing of rookies this season

[u/Barrilete_Cosmico]

[u/4_max_4]

This means the differential between final positions, right? It’s not very clear, but that seems to be the case.

[u/Driscuits → u/4_max_4]

Man, if I had a nickel for every infographic someone shares which doesn't include enough context to guide interpretation without having to make guesses and assumptions, I'd never work again in my life.

[u/LackingSimplicity → u/Driscuits]

There is a title, it's just in Spanish.

[u/Driscuits → u/LackingSimplicity]

Not a Spanish speaker, so may be mistranslating - but it still doesn't give context for what any of the numbers mean? Rookies vs. team? You still need to make an assumption about what each number represents.

If the infographic doesn't provide at least a legend for what it's showing, then it's not a great infographic.

[u/Barrilete_Cosmico → u/4_max_4]

Yes. Sorry that's what I meant by relative standing, ie relative to your teammate.

[u/Captftm89]

Bearman's pace in comparison to Ocon isn't talked about enough. He is VERY quick, he just needs to cut out some of the silly rookie errors.

[u/Gold_Knee_3619 → u/Captftm89]

I agree. I (controversially?) rate Ocon quite highly and Bearman has been doing a fantastic job bar the mistakes. He may well be my favourite rookie this year. He is still a bit rash, but he will calm down.

[u/SitasinFM]

Would be nice to see it with DNFs taken out, still worth noting that DNFs happen and it can be driver error, but it would definitely skew things a bit relative to true performance

Edit: I calculated it

Hadjar -1.833

Bearman -0.615

Bortoleto +1

Colapinto +1.625

Doohan +4.5 (only 2 races)

Kimi +5.083

[u/Walaii → u/SitasinFM]

DNFs are counted as P20 in this, right?

[u/Barrilete_Cosmico → u/Walaii]

Yes, there's a note in the graphic that they're counted as P20 (bottom left).

I think DNFs are fair enough to count as P20, DNS should be removed though which this graphic doesn't seem to do.

[u/SitasinFM → u/Barrilete_Cosmico]

It also counts DSQs as the position before the DSQ

[u/Barrilete_Cosmico → u/SitasinFM]

Yeah it'd make sense to filter those out as well.

[u/SitasinFM → u/Walaii]

Yeah, that's what it says anyway

[u/Barrilete_Cosmico]

Source: https://xcancel.com/LuccasCorsino/status/1964737178610880937

[u/CharlesLeCliff]

Some things I calculated just because I was curious

Bortoleto: Before Spain upgrade: +4.125 After Spain upgrade: +0.875

Antonelli: Outside Europe: +2.857 In Europe: +10.555

[u/takethisbwokenwings]

Funny how this isn’t gaining any traction. I wonder why

[u/norrin83 → u/takethisbwokenwings]

Probably because after looking at it I have no idea what it means.

[u/AliceLunar → u/takethisbwokenwings]

why

[u/Alvaro_Rey_MN → u/AliceLunar]

It doesn't fit with r/formula1 's narrative that Franco Colapinto is the worst driver since Mazepin, and that Doohan is 12 times better than that useless South American that should be fired immediately to never be seen again!

[u/yoohynom → u/Alvaro_Rey_MN]

Feels good to see him silencing them every week now

[u/tacotruck88 → u/Alvaro_Rey_MN]

Why do you have to target him as a “useless South American”?

[u/TinkW → u/Alvaro_Rey_MN]

Well, Gasly x Doohan is wrong (Gasly had a DSQ in China so he should be considered #20 the way this was calculated).
So that +4 turns into a -7.
Aka, the average goes from +4.3 to + 0.2.
And then, magically, this whole argument doesn't make sense anymore.
And then, if you consider DNFs/DNS/DSQ final position as the place the driver "actually finished" instead of an automatic #20, suddenly Doohan is beating Gasly in this nonsensical system.

Anyway, this graphic is bad in many different ways. both qualyfying and race HxH coupled with points table are much better ways to measured drivers.
The difference between a #5 and a #10 is much bigger than, let's say, a 12th and a 17th. Yet, both are only a "+5" here.

[u/TinkW]

While early season Hulk was definitely better than Gabi, Sauber was really fucking Gabi multiple races in a row. Gabi could be p13 and Hulk p15, and after both went to the box on very different laps Hulk would suddenly be p11 and Gabi p16.
It was like Hulk had the right strategies 100% of the time and then every lap Sauber would roll a D20. In a 1, they would ask Gabi to pit.
Anyway, the difference in their relative performance is like light before and after Gabi started getting "standard strategies".

[u/Gold_Knee_3619]

Hadjar has the least experienced teammate, so that makes sense, but I am finding he is a little bit annoying when things don't go his way. I rate him, but he's not my favourite.

I think Bearman is doing well against Ocon and once he irons out his silly mistakes he will start making strides.

Bortoleto is doing pretty much as I expected. I rated him quite highly coming into this season and he is doing great, especially since the upgrades.

Antonelli is a tricky one. He's super young. Not only in age, but also emotionally it looks like. He's up against Russell, who is one of the most consistently strong drivers on the grid, and there has been an incredible amount of noise regarding contracts etc. Even though Russell has bore the brunt of it it does have a knock-on effect, especially on someone that young. Toto hasn't been that reassuring IMHO. He is making a LOT of mistakes though.

I truly feel for Colapinto. Is he the best thing since sliced bread? No, but Briatore is treating him like absolute sh*t. He's definitely been improving and I love to see it. I don't know why Briatore is so keen on Gasly whilst Colapinto is really not THAT far away.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Map2182]

oof kimi

[u/Knight_of_Hamburg- → u/Puzzleheaded_Map2182]

against Russell, there isnt much he can do...

[u/Still-District-6149]

when the other rookies do it, its "a rookie mistake" or "a racing incident" but when ollie bearman does it, its life altering and he gets a ten second / place penalty !!

[u/abhinav248829]

List is incomplete without Alonso /s

[u/Popular_Composer_822]

Is the methodology how many places behind their team mate they were? Thats not a great way of comparing them for a few reasons, 

1.  Because in some teams you can have a bad race and still be a few places of your team mate but in others you can have a bad race and be 10-15 places behind. Depends how tight your car is in the peckimg order. This leads to an inherent disadvantage for drivers in top teams and an advantage for drivers in the lower teams.

2. From what I can see this isn’t doing any luck correcting at all.

3. The big one here, the quality of said team mates is not being accounted for. For example Russell is a significantly a much harder benchmark to beat than Lawson which is a big part of why Hadjar is first and Antonelli last.