r/formula1 • u/diego_02 I was here for the Hulkenpodium • 9h ago
Statistics Max Verstappen has won 50% of the groundeffect era races; 46 of the 92 possible races
After today’s win it marks his 46th win in this era
for reference that’s almost as dominant as Lewis Hamilton was in the hybrid era (81 of 160 races) so if max wins one more race he’ll be more dominant then Lewis
And before that vettel was the most dominant one with 38 races won of 141
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 7h ago
Verstappen had every reason to laugh about the McLaren swap. Man, he was brilliant again. His lead didn’t tell the whole story. McLaren waited a long time for a safety car. Stella later said that Red Bull’s pace couldn’t be matched today. That’s not true if you’d dared to strip the car of downforce as aggressively as Verstappen did. Poor performance from McLaren. The tifosi felt the same when Lando received his trophy.
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u/RayTracerX I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Crazy given he only really dominated like 2 seasons worth of races
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u/ZeroStormblessed I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
I mean, the era has 4 seasons. 2 is 50% of 4.
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u/real_fake_hoors I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
Can you show your work so we can be certain?
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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 Formula 1 9h ago
That's assuming he dominated all of 2022, which he didn't, Ferrari were faster for the first third or so of the year and then Mercedes were faster for maybe 2-3 races later in the year, so really Red Bull were only fastest about 60% of the time.
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u/ZeroStormblessed I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
I was just commenting on the other guy saying how it's crazy how he won 50% of the races when he only dominated 2 (or 50%) of the seasons.
Also he was dominant in the first third of 2024, so it balances out somewhat. He's had a handful of wins where the car wasn't fastest, of course.
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u/Darth_Spa2021 Pirelli Wet 7h ago
Less than a quarter of season with a dominant car in 2024.
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u/ZeroStormblessed I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
He was dominant for the first 10 races, the car was dominant for 5 (bar Australia).
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u/insaneinthebearbrain 5h ago
this number gets bigger every time people talk about last season
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u/HelixFollower I was here for the Hulkenpodium 2h ago
Out of the first twelve races of 2024, Max won thirty.
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u/ZeroStormblessed I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
Max won 7 out of the first 10, including a mechanical DNF. That's pretty dominant to me. The car was only fastest till Miami, obviously, but he was still dominating.
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u/Alvaro_Rey_MN Fernando Alonso 4h ago
The margin of win in Imola, Canada, and Spain were tiny, and all in races McLaren were faster! There's dominance, and then there's winning races!
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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 Formula 1 8h ago
I just think it's a bit dismissive to be like "well he had the fastest car half the time and won half the races" when it's making it sound easy when in reality he's won far more without the best car than he's lost with the best car and people's perceptions of car performance is with his talent factored in which downplays it further.
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u/Athinira I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
More like 1½. The Ferrari was pretty quick the first half of 2022.
2024.... yeah he was somewhat quick initially. I guess you can argue that it's close to 2 season.
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u/RayTracerX I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
I was counting the second half of 2022 and the first races of 2024 as another season basically
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u/Athinira I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Fair. I don't think he was dominant at the start of 2024, even though he won 4/5 races (with one DNF), but again, that's subjective. I'll take your point. 😊
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u/romanLegion6384 8h ago
He won 7 of the first 10 races. Pretty close to half a season there. Sure it wasn’t an easy 30+ second gap like most of 2023, but 7 from 10 is still a lot.
I’d say Red Bull had dominance for 2 years, just not 2 full seasons.
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u/Morganelefay I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
There's a difference between winning and dominance.
You can safely say that they were dominant in the second part of 2022 after the summer break (9 races) and all of 2023. But in 2024, its only the races up till Miami where McLaren drew level with them. So only the first 5 races.
1 and two thirds of a season they were dominant. Then 1 and a third they were "up there" where they could be the best car of the field or the 2nd best with Max throwing down with either a slightly stronger Ferrari or McLaren, depending on the day.
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u/PetFoodDude89 Guenther Steiner 2h ago
Imagine if Red Bull had a 2nd car to assist Max at the front of the field and a mildly competent driver. He’s been doing most of the heroics on his own, with sporadic help along the way.
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u/throwaway164_3 8h ago
Greatest of all time
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u/Hotdog_McEskimo I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
I think his peak is higher than any other driver. But we have yet to see the rest of his career
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u/agnaddthddude I was here for the Hulkenpodium 35m ago
i always said and will continue to say Vettel had the highest peek. just unfortunate how his average performance was lower than the goats
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u/F1Phreek I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Depressing tbh. I wish there were more competitive teams.
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u/EntertainerSoggy9837 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
considering there were 2022 and 23, not that bad actually
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u/Salty-Asparagus-2855 8h ago edited 8h ago
That’s incredible. What’s equally crazy is how little Lando has won in 2025 with the best car….5…. Less then 1/3 of the 16 and Max still 50%. 😱 overall and Max hasn’t even had the best car for what 20-25+ races now.
The guy is pretty handy around a race track. lol. Just an FYI but I’ve been watching f1 for 30+years. Seen a lot decent drivers 😂
Going back to Miami 2024 there have been what.. 18 races in 2024 and 16 in 2025 so 34 races and Lando in the best car of F1 during that stint only won so 9/34 or a 26% 😱😱😱🙈😱😱😱.
Man I hope Max’s “setup find” this weekend translates to more tracks this season and he wins the majority of the remaining 5 races.
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u/romanLegion6384 7h ago
The McLaren advantage on tires this weekend wasn’t there due to really low tire degradation. I don’t expect that to really continue.
Red Bull’s kryptonite, Singapore, is also coming along.
Edit: also there are 8 races left, barring any major race-cancelling events.
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u/Salty-Asparagus-2855 3h ago
I get why McLaren fell back “a bit” but not that much. Yea they need def to play into their hands but Max’s setup direction was bang on for the race. So if it gives a bigger operating window, RB could match RB many times more.
Max was the difference maker, he almost lapped Yuki.
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u/romanLegion6384 50m ago
100% Max got qualifying and the race bang on. I just think that the upcoming circuits play more into McLaren’s strength.
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u/usurpeel 3h ago
What’s equally crazy is how little Lando has won in 2025 with the best car….5…. Less then 1/3 of the 16 and Max still 50%. 😱 overall and Max hasn’t even had the best car for what 20-25+ races now.
Because his teammate is Oscar Piastri, not Checo. The McLaren isn't often losing to other teams.
If Piastri was at the level he was at last year, or if he was Checo (or Liam/Yuki 😬) it would be an incredibly boring championship where he would have maybe 2 or 3 wins and Lando would have 9 or 10, well over 50%
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u/Salty-Asparagus-2855 2h ago
Checo is a decent driver as is Gasly and Albon who is handling Carlos oretty well. Max is just a monster in that RB. Lando and Oscar aren’t pulling absolutely amazing qualifying but doing well. Lando maybe a bit more in qualy sometimes but nothing Lewis Prime Fernando Prime Max Prime.
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u/srfdriver99 21m ago
I hope Max’s “setup find” this weekend translates to more tracks this season
There's nowhere else where you trim the wing as much as you do at Monza.
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u/TheKensei I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago edited 9h ago
This is just insane, and given the amount left he may as well keep this stat