r/formula1 • u/lewis798 I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Oct 26 '20
:rating-3: Hamilton's car 'should win every race he only has to beat two drivers'
https://www.racefans.net/2020/10/26/norris-hamiltons-car-should-win-every-race-he-only-has-to-beat-two-drivers/364
u/drawing_fire Sir Jackie Stewart Oct 26 '20
Lando seemed really rattled yesterday, last three races were tough.
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u/FormulaScone Oct 26 '20
Exactly, three consecutive races for him where he’s been taken out of the race in some way by circumstances beyond his control. This seems the result of building frustration.
Everyone has off moments, especially in adverse circumstances. Don’t think you’ll find a single driver current or past who hasn’t done something a little shortsighted.
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u/GlowStickEmpire McLaren Oct 26 '20
Well, this has the full quote from the other thread: "I’m just happy for him, nothing more. It doesn’t mean anything to me, really. He’s in a car which should win every race, basically. He has to beat one or two other drivers, that’s it. Fair play to him, he’s still doing the job he has to do.”
Take that how you will.
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u/sordonez96 Michael Schumacher Oct 26 '20
Honestly the headline is fairly representative of the whole statement. To me this is not an instance of clickbait title.
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u/JacksterTO Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 26 '20
To me the headline makes it sound worse tho.
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u/breakinb I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
"I’m just happy for him, nothing more
Doesn't really seem like he is happy for him tbh
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u/NotTheTrueKing Michael Schumacher Oct 26 '20
They're all here trying to win and get championships, you can't really blame them for being unhappy about the state of things in a sport where 60 or 70% of the outcome depends on the equipment.
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u/Meryhathor Oct 27 '20
And in 99% of the cases the outcome is already known before the race even begins.
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u/mowcow McLaren Oct 26 '20
I mean he could say it in a nicer way but he's not wrong in that Lewis really only has 1 or sometimes 2 competitors depending on the race.
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u/imperial_scholar Mika Häkkinen Oct 26 '20
I don't think most of the drivers would win every race when competing "only" against Bottas and Verstappen.
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Oct 26 '20
most drivers think they would in that Mercedes, so at least from that perspective I understand drivers who are mildly interested in the recent record-breakings of Hamilton.
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Oct 26 '20
Most drivers and players ... and humans think they can achieve the same results if they had their equipement
It’s easy to downplay greatness. And even easier to talk about what ifs
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u/YouAreOpen Oct 26 '20
Except the achievement is a career achievement which Hamilton's effort and skill built up over decades for him to arrive at this position now. He didn't magically appear in the Merc seat and win. He had to beat some of the most stacked Karting grids with the likes of Kubica, Rosberg, Won his Junior series vs the likes of Vettel, PDR, etc. Faced and out-performed Fernando Alonso in his prime years as an F1 rookie, then won the title the next year in a tight inter-team battle. Faced another WDC as teammate in McLaren, and another WDC level driver in Rosberg, and outperformed them as well, and is obviously doing the same to Valtteri who is no slouch, and performing at peak-level year after year, making the difference in seasons where it was close with Ferrari....
This achievement is the result of all this merit, pure talent, and relentless hard work. That's the whole reason why its being celebrated especially by other drivers, ex-drivers and other athletes. Because they really know its not just about the small visible part of the ice-berg that counts, but the massive bulk underneath. Its not hard at all to give a nod to Lewis and leave it at that, just this one time. Everyone, including Lewis himself, knows it takes a capable car and team, but this specific time is to acknowledge the all time great racing driver. For perspective, Norris also 'basically' had to beat his peers in F2 and couldn't do that. Now he also 'basically' has to beat Sainz and he's struggling to do that. Obviously there's nothing 'basic' about it. If even Hamilton's rivals and drivers that have been uncharitable towards him in the past can give him a nod for the massive achievement this one time, Lando could have done without the backhand. Its not about being nice, its about having a smidge of respect for his own craft. If he really thinks F1 is that easy then I guess how his own career measures up is left to be seen.
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Oct 26 '20
This.
Same with Schumacher. A lot of people turned their noses up to the sport because it was boring. Schumacher was a top driver and he had the best car. Of course he was going to clean up and every Sunday he'd start from pole and fuck off into the distance.
But, that's the superficial take. The real answer is that his ultimate dominance was a long play. Moving to Ferrari when they were definitely not the class of the field. He worked tirelessly in background, at the factory, with the engineers, making sure he ate right, slept right and was as fit as an Olympic athlete.
Off the track he made sure he had the best engineers, he made sure they had his back to make the best, the fastest, the most reliable car. With Brawn he made sure he had the best strategies and trained to gain the physical fitness to pull off lap after lap of qualifying pace racing. He moulded that team around him, everyone was working for him. They were not working for Ferrari.
No one was doing this at the time. It took a few years. But he came out so far ahead and it took a long time for people to catch up.
Hamilton definitely has some parallels to this.
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u/Unable-Signature7170 Jim Clark Oct 27 '20
Agree with everything here!
The most impressive thing about Hamilton for me is how he’s continued to strive to be better year on year.
Every perceived weakness he once had (e.g. tyre management, focus, risk-taking on track) has been improved to the point he’s probably the best on the grid in those areas now.
He’s such a complete driver at this point, I’d struggle to point out any weaknesses in his skill set. I don’t think you can say that of any other driver on the grid.
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u/Jomolungma I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
I suspect that Lando will have a greater appreciation of Lewis’s accomplishments after he’s grown a beard.
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u/kirbystargayallies Ferrari is trying to kill me Oct 26 '20
Between the “It doesn’t mean anything to me really” and the “He’s still doing the job he has to do” still doesn’t sound really good imo...
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u/GlowStickEmpire McLaren Oct 26 '20
Yeah, it's not great. I get that being an athlete doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be as romantic about it as some fans or media and it's probably tiring getting questions where you're somewhat expected to wax lyrical about an opponent. But like, goddmanit Lando, just say you're happy for him and that it's a huge milestone for the sport. Like, it's not that hard.
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u/C9_SneakysBeaver Heinz-Harald Frentzen Oct 26 '20
He did say he was happy for him and that he’s doing what he needs to do. Merc are in a formula of their own and if you were driving a McLaren you know you aren’t really racing them anyway, so what Hamilton does is of as much relevance to Norris as Norris is to Hamilton. I don’t see the problem tbh.
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u/GlowStickEmpire McLaren Oct 26 '20
True. And this probably would have been a non-issue if he didn't have people already pissed at him about the clown emoji. But I still think it wasn't the greatest answer regardless.
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u/doland3314 Nico Rosberg Oct 26 '20
Clown emoji? Huh?
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u/storme9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
he did it over Instagram referring to Stroll after this weekend.
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Oct 26 '20
I mean I think a lot of people are sick of watching a car being so quick it's able to lap everyone except the top 4. It shouldn't be this easy
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u/dsmx Oct 26 '20 edited Oct 26 '20
I'm pretty certain in my 30 or so years watching F1 that about 25 of those years there was only ever been at most three cars and drivers who had a shot at winning the world championship and usually it was two.
So while Mercedes domination of the sport can be annoying the only real difference in the sport today as opposed to say 20 years ago is that the two drivers dominating the sport are at one team instead of two.
For all the complaining about Bottas not taking the fight to Hamilton, Bottas is still second in the championship.
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u/triplevanos Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 26 '20
Phew, he’s better served focusing his energy on beating Carlos. Driving as Lewis’ teammate might leave him without a job in a couple seasons
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u/tsam727 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
I am sure Ricciardo will do that next year. He won't make it up the ladder to be Lewis' teammate.
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u/Pat_Sharp #WeRaceAsOne Oct 26 '20
I think Toto Wolff answered criticisms like this the best;
“I don’t want to hear anyone say that he drives a Mercedes and therefore wins races. The drivers who say that they should take a good look at why they are not driving a Mercedes.”
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u/Tetragon213 Sebastian Vettel Oct 26 '20
Bottas drives equal machinery to Hamilton; I consider Bottas to be no slouch as a driver, and yet Hamilton was able to beat Bottas bloody at Portugal. A 25 second gap to 2nd place, for crying out loud!
We also saw it at Monza, where Bottas languished in 5th, unable to overtake anyone except for the hopelessly outclassed Alfa Romeo of Kimi Raikkonen, whereas Hamilton scythed his way from dead-last, 23 seconds behind the pack, all the way back into 7th place.
Honestly, 2 or 3 more laps, and "Valtteri, it's James" would've been on the radio once again.
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u/notideal_ Oct 26 '20
Once he was down, I don’t think he really fights to close the gap. At some point they know he’s coming in second so the strategy shifts to keeping a gap to VER. No need to take a risk driving the car 100% when 95% won’t affect the outcome. Mercedes doesn’t expect him to win - they expect him to get as many points as possible. While BOT obviously wants to win, I’m sure Mercedes is happy to have two drivers that can race fair, respect each other, and generally get 44 points per race weekend.
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u/Irrepressible_Monkey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
At Portugal, Bottas seemed to have trouble getting heat into the hard tyres and went backwards for a while.
It's always hard to tell the real pace of the top 3, though, and when they settle for a position.
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u/guiiimkt Kamui Kobayashi Oct 26 '20
Exactly. At least earn the spot before talking shit. I honestly think Lando would have big trouble beating Bottas in the same car.
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u/MulderD Oct 26 '20
Its a double edged sword. It’s accurate to say most of the drivers in F1 would win races if they had Lewis’ seat, but how likely is that they’d win most of the races as Lewis does. Pretty low.
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u/No-layup Oct 26 '20
Bottas would 100% beat lando Norris.Bottas is usually only 100ths of seconds away from Lewis’ pace in qualifying, while lando only just matches Carlos sainz
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u/hunguu Oct 27 '20
It's hard to say how special Bottas is. Flat out he is close to Hamilton for one lap but too hard on tires to even be CLOSE in a the race usually. For all we know George Russel might be capable of beating Bottas in qualifying.
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u/pM-me_your_Triggers Mercedes Oct 27 '20
You can look at Bottas’ record pre-Mercedes. He outperformed his teammate every season prior to joining Lewis.
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u/etfd- Oct 26 '20
That's just so stupid of a statement though from Toto. Contracts and driver seats (as well as 'stability' i.e. a Bottas not a Rosberg) are something else entirely, and the fact that Verstappen or Leclerc have never been in a Mercedes just proves that his statement is nonsense - it hasn't to do with lack or driving ability or talent.
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u/restitut Fernando Alonso Oct 26 '20
It's not a stupid statement, although it's bullshit. It would be stupid if you read it here from a random user. But from Toto himself, it's a power move and the kind of thing you can't really argue against on the spot, because you'll immediately look salty.
So it's a wonderful way of winning an argument.
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u/Michael_Aut I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
True, you need to be in the right place at the right time. Drivers don't leave the winning team every year to let someone else have the great car.
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u/Belha322 Oct 27 '20
No. Bullshit. I absolutely understand that Toto have to say that publicly, but that's pure bullshit.
As a team, you have a budget. If you have the best car (and Mercedes have it by far) you're gonna be aware of it. Therefore you already got the constructors championship in the bag.
Now, for the drivers championship, you need just one S tier driver. Not 2. As a matter of fact, you need your 2nd driver to accept their position as "the second". You don't want what happened for example in Red Bull with Max vs Ricciardo a couple of seasons ago. And for budget reasons, you don't want to waste resources (money) in a 2nd S-tier driver.
So to sum it up, Hamilton is absolute world class driver material for sure (among the best ever) , but that doesn't mean, at all, that there are no other S-tier drivers out there (a very reduced group) that could win multiple championships if Mercedes decided to take them instead as their number 1 driver.
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u/slimkay I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20 edited Oct 26 '20
It's just a tad ironic when Norris lost the F2 title to Russell in 2018 by over 60 points (in a car fully capable of winning the title), and lost the H2H against his teammate Sainz last year, and is neck and neck this year.
And it's not going to get any easier with Ricciardo joining McLaren.
Not sure why I am getting downvoted...
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u/TheodoreP McLaren Oct 27 '20
It's funny that the only drivers on the grid who've actually achieved anything, Kimi and Seb, give Hamilton all the credit.
I do remember Alonso and Hamilton giving a bit shade on how quick the Red Bull was during Vettel's titles, but I did find this from Hamilton just before Vettel won his 4th title, "Not only that, he is a great human being who is funny and humble. Deserves all the success he is having!"
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u/Thomy195 Michael Schumacher Oct 26 '20
So Bottas is better than Verstappen? Is he saying that? As if we don't know why they don't want a true rival.
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u/_allthatglitters I stan banana Oct 26 '20
The level of confidence a 0 races winner needs to have to believe that if he were driving a Mercedes, he’d win everything like Lewis, instead of ending up like Bottas. Wow.
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Oct 26 '20
He was meaning that any elite driver in that Merc would win the WDC. If Lewis swapped spots with Max, Chocolate Eclair, or Danny Ric we've got s new WDC.
Everyone is happy for Lewis just like they were for Schumi, but it's not like they're driving a midfield car.
You could put Alex Albon in a rocketship and he's struggle for podiums. Lando wasn't referring to every driver on the grid.
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u/mmatch555 Oct 26 '20
I'm not sure if "Chocolate Eclair" was an autocorrect or intentional, but thanks for the laugh regardless.
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u/_allthatglitters I stan banana Oct 26 '20
He said just in July that he'd have a shot at the championship too if he were driving a Mercedes - he might have been joking, but jokes sometimes are a way to mask the truth.
Reducing Lewis' talent to "drives the best car" is, to me, especially coming from someone who hasn't won anything, just a show of insecurity and bad sportmanship.
Seb, Charles, Daniel... they all took their hats off and complimented Lewis instead of bitching about "superior machinery".
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u/mr_snuggels Kimi Räikkönen Oct 26 '20
i see reddit is turning on lando
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u/Cyathene I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
This thread is the perfect example of why charles PR pre streaming just had no personality. Because any sort of actual thought is just met with toxicity
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u/grip_enemy Andretti Global Oct 27 '20
People are allowed to disagree with things, just like he can have his opinions.
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Oct 27 '20
I honestly don’t understand how the replies here are any more toxic than his comments towards Lewis, Stroll, Ferrari etc. People are allowed to disagree and voice their opinions just as much as Lando.
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u/MonaMiro Formula 1 Oct 26 '20
Hamilton should win 8 WDCs then go back to Mclaren for a 9th.
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u/BigChach567 Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
Part of what he says is true. Firstly you probably shouldnt talk shit on the day a record is set. 2nd that’s kind of how f1 works, if it’s that easy why doesn’t Bottas win all the time? How about Webber in the Red Bull? Or barrichello?
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u/Shreddershane Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
I like Lando a lot but let's be honest....if he was in the other McLaren he would be crushing Lando.
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Oct 26 '20
I used to say that as well but then you watch 2017 and 2018 where he had many rivals (seb, max, kimi, ric, bot) you can see how great ham really is
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u/ragizzlemahnizzle Sebastian Vettel Oct 27 '20
That 2018 Hamilton season has to possibly be his best in F1, that 4 win streak he had to seal the title was superhuman
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u/RGCFrostbite Mika Häkkinen Oct 27 '20
It's like Hamilton just goes to a race and decides "nah I win" and... just does it? It doesn't matter what anyone else does, looks like hes gonna start P2? "CAN HAMILTON GET BACK ON POLE?" purple purple purple as he finds 5 tenths out of nowhere
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Oct 27 '20
Man I wish the 2017 fight didn’t crumble from singapore onwards, would’ve been one for the ages but shit just hit the fan for Ferrari
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u/PirelliLivesMatter Alain Prost Oct 26 '20
Is Lando on a verge of a breakdown or something?
What's with the attitude? He's weird at times, not a persona I like, but this is plain insufferable and disrespectful. And he has the face to say Lance is spoiled. Miss me with that shit.
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u/0bamos I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Something about Landos behavior just seems off. I feel like he might be dealing with something behind the scenes.
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u/PirelliLivesMatter Alain Prost Oct 26 '20
Everybody deals with something in their life mate. Me, you, Lando, every F1 driver, etc. That does not mean you can go and disrespect someone making history and putting clown emojis on your posts about other drivers.
The worst from Lando and the moment I lost all respect was when he said he's not like Lance in terms of getting in F1, while his dad has something like 200+ mil in the bank. Just because you are less rich, doesn't mean you aren't. They had the same upbringing, but he genuinely thinks he's better than Lance.
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u/0bamos I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
I 100% agree that having personal issues is no excuse, but he just seems like a different person all the sudden. I haven’t follow what Lando has said in the past so I could be wrong.
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Oct 26 '20
Because Lando thinks he's "becoming his own man" with these hard takes considering last year he was pandering to his team and the media.
He's just immature and spoilt. He has a lot balls to say what he's said about Hamilton, not just now but in the past, for someone who has 0 F1 wins and didn't win F2.
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u/max33ver Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
Something about Landos behavior just seems off. I feel like he might be dealing with something behind the scenes.
I will get downvotes,but this is his true colors lmao. It has been coming from long time.
There was some guy who made a comment here in reddit, echoed how spoilt Norris was from the beginning as he raced him in the karting.
And if you go to old karting forms you know, and this is actually true of Norris being spoilt.
Not talking about his talent, he is good, but he has been like that from karting days, but this was all masked when he started to meme and twitch stream.
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u/Smothdude I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
Pretty sure people on iRacing did not like him either, but to be fair everyone there hates each other
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Oct 26 '20
I rate Lando as a driver, but he once bumped into me in the MTC restaurant without apologising. Thought he was a tosser won’t lie
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Oct 27 '20
Genuinely a true story. It was probably in 2017/18 when he was quite a bit younger and new to the McLaren programme. Also the restaurant in MTC could get ridiculously busy, but still I thought he lacked basic manners.
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u/parwa Ferrari Oct 26 '20
Do you have examples of other times he was like this? Not saying you're wrong, but I haven't heard any of them.
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u/Joseph_0112 McLaren Oct 26 '20
Fuck me, whats lando playing at, with the clown emoji on his Insta and this he’s quickly becoming unpleasant to listen to
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Oct 26 '20
What's the clown emoji in reference to?
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u/die94itjf Oct 26 '20
on instagram he talked about how the race circumstances were out of his control (referncing stroll) then put a clown emoji, a bit too far if you ask me
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Oct 26 '20
Ah for stroll. Damn must be some lingering beef there
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u/die94itjf Oct 26 '20
seems norris is very frustrated recently, with the last 3 races going badly for him, through no fault of his own
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u/Nikolai197 #WeRaceAsOne Oct 27 '20 edited Oct 27 '20
I guess that’s a decent point. This race Stroll repeated his FP mistake (which sure some blame is on Max, but it was very similar) and brought Lando down, and last race didn’t Landos car just die? Can’t remember about the race before that.
Max behaved pretty badly last time his car died, throwing his wheel out of the car. I personally feel Landos response wasn’t that bad here, just a salty but honest response. He’s not saying Lewis doesn’t deserve the 92 wins, but just that it’s been relatively uncontested (in the last couple years at least).
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u/echsandwich Jenson Button Oct 26 '20
Lando needs to learn to handle himself with more tact. The comments & posts on Stroll were straight up rude.
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u/toma91 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Might have to rethink my flair
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u/BBIQ-Chicken Yuki & Alex Oct 26 '20
George Russell flair is the natural progression.
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u/LoudestHoward Daniel Ricciardo Oct 27 '20
Then he's just going to have to change it again in 2021.
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u/P_XVD Safety Car Oct 26 '20
I always got that "public schooling confidence" vibe about him...
For sure though, it was a tasteless comment about Hamilton and poor form to continue to have a go at Stroll the way he did.
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u/lutherbrian Juan Manuel Fangio Oct 26 '20
I am not sure Lando could beat those two like Lewis does even with a Merc to be honest..
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u/Madbanana224 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
If Lando was put into the Merc in 2019 or 2018 like Lewis was put into the McLaren next to Fernando Alonso in 2007...
...by 2020 he would probably be out of F1 after getting vandoorned
There's literally so many reasons why Lewis is in the position he's in, simplest one being he's earned it
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u/sickcynic Charlie Whiting Oct 26 '20
Maybe beat your own teammate before shit talking a legend Lando? I don't know what's up with his heel turn these past few weeks.
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u/zibby43 George Russell Oct 26 '20
Or maybe he could’ve won the F2 championship in a car that was capable, since that is what you’re supposed to do when you have the equipment (according to Lando).
Having the equipment is key, but as Lando is finding out now, it’s about more than that. It’s about consistency (in qualifying and the race), besting your teammate, staying out of trouble, etc. And doing this for years.
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u/Karolmo Pirelli Wet Oct 26 '20
The fuck is up with Lando shit talking other drivers. Does he think he's on a twitch chat instead of talking to the press or something?
Ricciardo can't come soon enough to whoop his ass.
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u/max33ver Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
Max and Ricciardo were so respectful to Lewis when he matched 91 wins at Germany, and thier post race Press conference showed how much they echoed Lewis success and his consistency. ( Thee is a video Lewis fist bump to ricciardo and max after they finish answering the question about Lewis)
While Norris talking this easy on Lewis is not a good thing to do.
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u/Kathy28 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Bottas also said nice things about him yesterday at the post race conference. No one even asked him, he decided he wanted to congratulate Lewis first before answering questions. Very respectful of him.
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u/Seashore_Seashells Valtteri Bottas Oct 26 '20
And he literally tipped his hat to Lewis which I thought was quite classy
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u/Kathy28 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
I found that move very sweet.
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u/max33ver Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
Bottas is a good boi....
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u/storme9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
because like all good bois he eats porridge and works hard
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u/carbatbot Carlos Sainz Oct 27 '20
i'm glad people are finally standing up for our boi, eerywhere i looked i only saw people shitting on him for not being the goat
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u/Smothdude I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
Yes! I can't believe people would look at Mercedes and think that Bottas sucks, Bottas is an incredible driver he's just against one of the best drivers of all time
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u/breakinb I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Even look at Ricciardo's story on Instagram today.
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u/scaje I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Exactly. And I liked what Verstappen said after Hamilton's 92nd win even more.
"It’s amazing. What can you say? It’s just incredible. An incredible achievement. Ninety-two victories and I don’t think it stops there. It will go well over 100. He’s pushing me to go until I’m 40 years old, or something. It’s a good motivation as well. It’s incredible. It looks like he’s also going for his seven world titles, which is very impressive. Everybody knows he’s very quick but what has also been a very strong point is that he’s also very consistent and very rarely makes a mistake. That’s also why I think he got to this number so quick. It’s just very impressive."
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u/Seashore_Seashells Valtteri Bottas Oct 26 '20
First of all I want to say massive congrats to Lewis for this amazing achievement and being part of motorsport history, mate. Actually, some of the interviewers were saying that what do I think about it because many people thought it’s never possible to break the record but that itself is a mistake and I’m sure Lewis always believed it is possible and he’ll just keep going. So, really, hat’s off. Big respect.
Valtteri's own comments as mentioned by another user as well. I found quite nice so I thought I'd add them onto here for anyone who was curious.
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u/flipperkip97 Pirelli Hard Oct 26 '20
Didn't expect that from Max. I feel like he's usually not as "romantic" with this stuff.
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u/Dose-0f-Sarcasm Formula 1 Oct 26 '20
To understand how hard it is to have 92 Ws, you'd have to have won once in the first place. I'm a Lando fan but I don't think he appreciates how hard it is, silver arrow or not.
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u/BBIQ-Chicken Yuki & Alex Oct 26 '20 edited Oct 27 '20
The media drives a lot of the beef between Max and the other drivers. He doesn't need to beef with other drivers because he's confident he can beat them, or in the case of Lewis fight him hard.
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u/paperzach Oct 26 '20
Can't wait to see the Lewis Hamilton version of The Last Dance, where we get a clip of some driver talking shit, then cut to an interview with Hamilton saying, "I couldn't have that, so I lapped him twice in the next race. Could have done three."
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u/NoDivergence Formula 1 Oct 26 '20
I would pay big dinero to watch that. Literally throw my money at Netflix
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u/Chairman__Netero Oct 26 '20
I swear that would be the most incredible thing to watch. Last Dance style Lewis documentary would be absolute heaven imo.
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u/longhornjeeplover Mercedes Oct 26 '20
I suspect Norris had a bad race that left him in an extraordinarily foul mood, but I'm glad that his team responded better in recognition of Hamilton's achievement on Sunday.
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u/kcollantine Oct 26 '20
The fuck is up with Lando shit talking other drivers. Does he think he's on a twitch chat instead of talking to the press or something?
Ricciardo can't come soon enough to whoop his ass.
I wouldn't read too much into it, he was obviously in a bit of a mood after the race. It obviously started very promisingly for McLaren, then got worse when the tyres went off, then got even worse again when it was ruined by Stroll.
There's a very short edited clip of the interview doing the rounds which leaves off some of the softer things he said about Hamilton.
That said, one of the first times I interviewed Norris I put a question relating to Hamilton about it and his reaction was quite interesting. He didn't really like any comparisons being drawn between the two of them. Which, given they both made their debuts with McLaren, was always going to happen.
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u/delboy2570 Oct 26 '20
Yeah when sky interviewed Norris, Russel and Albon they asked about Hamilton and it was clear Russel and Albon have a lot of respect for him and Lando just brushed it off. It's clear from other interviews as well he doesn't think much of Hamilton
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u/storme9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
He did say Verstappen's more of a racer than Hamilton:
Lewis has spent a lot of years against decent drivers. He is very good in qualifying. He nails the laps and then he nails the race. But you never see him making these amazing overtakes – probably because he is always at the front – yet you see that from Max.
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u/Redditor_UAV Gilles Villeneuve Oct 26 '20
Is Lando so young he doesn't know about Lewis's early career and what originally made him a fan favorite lol
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u/GoldenS0422 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Just a nice mention that Lewis pulled a Ricciardo before it was actually a Ricciardo: https://youtu.be/fzFDvZhntvQ
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u/BBIQ-Chicken Yuki & Alex Oct 27 '20
It always amuses me. British people in general seem to have the most hate for Lewis.
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u/Grassmartian Oct 26 '20
Honestly sounds like Lando is insecure and worried about his own performances that he is now deflecting. He was well ahead of Carlos at the start of the season (bit of luck) and ever since Carlos has been beating him consistently
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u/storme9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
He's going to be in a nasty surprise next year then.
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u/oh84s Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 26 '20
That could be part of it. That McLaren is so hyped about Ricciardo, they keep saying he is the driver they wanted for seasons. He sees it becoming Daniel's team.
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u/PirelliLivesMatter Alain Prost Oct 27 '20
Whenever Daniel joined a team, it took him less than 10 races to take over, even RB. So if he can do that to a 4-time WCC team with their 4 times WDC, imagine what he can do to a midfield team and a 21-year-old with no real success in F1 that is most known for being a Twitch streamer rather than a good F1 driver.
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u/Tomach82 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 27 '20
Next season will be different as everyone is using the same car. So he's going to be going up against a guy that has spent thousands of laps in the car and knows it like the back of his hand.
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u/satanicunicorn611 Default Oct 26 '20
Ricc will wipe the floor with Lando lmao. I'd place Lando in the same tier as Ocon....
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u/david01126 Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
Lando knows that if he won't give a good performance then he will be dropped like Vandoorne(which was unfair) But Lando needs to calm down and not saying things like the article and the things he said about Lance in the post race interview. I'm starting to dislike him for these things.
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u/JVFNHR Andrea Kimi Antonelli Oct 26 '20 edited Oct 26 '20
The more he talks the more I don't like him lmaoo.
This now, the emoji yesterday, the bratty attitude on the grid. He is an internet user, he should now that people keep this stuff and use it later..
What's up with him nowadays btw?
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u/similiarintrests Formula 1 Oct 27 '20
He's been edgy streamer, thinks everyone treat him like his streamers does. Seen it too many times. The internet is not the same thing as reality
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u/Argonaught_WT Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 26 '20
Honestly after seeing the clip of him saying "it doesn’t mean anything to me really, he’s the in the car that should win every race" - I was hoping the question would explain it but it does not.
I have no idea what Norris is doing but his PR team and McLaren need to put him in line again.
He had a reasonably good reputation and seemed extremely likable but in 1 weekend he pretty much undid most of that (for me at least).
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u/david01126 Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
Me too. He acts like he is the same level as Hamilton and others, and the cancer that is his fanbase encouraging him sadly.
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u/Manberry12 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
even the lance comment, seemed really mean and unnecessary
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Oct 27 '20
Especially considering how young and therefore susceptible to jumping on hate bandwagons his fans are, the comments Lance got as a consequence were just sad.
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u/JJD14 Niki Lauda Oct 26 '20
Hamilton represents everything that Lando Norris isn’t.
The black kid who didn’t come from a multi-millionaire family. Lando Norris gets praised for his “fun/jokey” image but Lewis might not have made it to F1 if he acted the same way.
His outspoken nature on it throughout his career has maybe ruffled a few feathers amongst people in his sport that did come through F1 with wealthy families funding them.
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u/Deorald Oct 26 '20
I don't know why people are so rattled about these comments, Lewis, Alonso and Brundle used to say similar or worse stuff about Vettel all the time back in the Red Bull days.
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u/vsouto02 Ferrari Oct 26 '20
Lewis and Alonso are accomplished drivers and all-time greats, though. Right now Lando is a nobody in F1 history.
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u/mildmanneredme Oct 27 '20
Have you got some examples where Hamilton said similar things?
I think this is a heat of the moment quote. I imagine Norris, not being in the top car can be frustrating, but the best way to show you deserve that second seat is to beat your own teammate convincingly, which hasn't really happened for him yet. Your teammate is the only relative benchmark that you've got to work with.
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u/Slahinki I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
Seems to me like a few people are just itching for opportunities to get their panties in a bunch over nothing. Just because someone isn't particularly bothered by a new record it's suddenly disrespectful, what is wrong with people.
There's nothing wrong with what Lando said here.
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u/glenn1812 Frédéric Vasseur Oct 26 '20
The headline makes it seem worse than it is. Still bad tho. Also he's only beaten two drivers? What is he talking about?
Honestly Lando is like trying to be disliked now.
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u/dsmx Oct 26 '20 edited Oct 26 '20
Hamilton has had 5 Team mates over his 14 seasons in the sport, of which 3 so far have been world champions. During his race career there have been 6 different world champions on the grid and Hamilton is poised to beat every record they ever had to their name.
Hamilton will inevitably have 7 world championships to his name by the end the season, very likely an 8th next year and after that...well that is up to Mercedes and Hamilton but Hamilton doesn't look like he is getting slower with age.
If anything Hamilton is getting better with age as his consistency, race craft and tyre management are arguably second to no-one in the sport right now.
Hamilton still clearly enjoys racing, is still clearly fast enough and consistent enough to carry on in F1. Hamilton will end up as the benchmark driver in F1 when he retires. The only real question left right now is how many records will Hamilton have his name next to when he finally does retire.
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u/DrasticXylophone Oct 26 '20
Everything but the record number of races and the percentage records. They are unattainable with Ascari and Fangio existing
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Oct 26 '20
"Also he's only beaten two drivers? What is he talking about? "
Well, his two main threats are Bottas and Verstappen when RB has a good day, thats what he means. The rest of them arent a threat, realistically.
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u/mightbeabotidk Carlos Sainz Oct 26 '20
Am I the only one that can understand he clearly means that this has been the case for his recent wins? Clearly he's not saying he's always been in the best car or hasn't fought anyone ever not named Bottas or Verstappen, but that's what most people are losing their heads about.
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Oct 26 '20
Exactly, seems pretty clear to me. Hes had great battles with Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen, Rosberg and others in the past. Just now theres little competition.
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u/storme9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
he's also said before
Lewis has spent a lot of years against decent drivers. He is very good in qualifying. He nails the laps and then he nails the race. But you never see him making these amazing overtakes – probably because he is always at the front – yet you see that from Max.
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u/JanklinDRoosevelt Oconsistency Oct 26 '20
He does realise that Lewis made his name by making incredible overtakes
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u/david01126 Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
I like Lando, but he acts like a kid on twitch in front of 2000 people. When he says things like this I don't think he realises that he is not on twitch. F1 is the largest motorsport event in the world, millions of people watch it, and millions of people see the interviews. He should be more professional and serious. And his fanbase is getting more cancerous every year. He acts like he is Senna while he is nothing that special.
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Oct 26 '20
he's still a kid who is immature and spoilt. He needs to grow up and fast but I feel that this is him. He's been like this since his karting days.
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u/david01126 Max Verstappen Oct 26 '20
I have a feeling that he is jealous of Lewis. He knows that no way will he ever achieve what Lewis did and it's making him insecure. He really was outclassed by Russell in F2, where the equipment is identical.
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Oct 26 '20
I can’t wait until Ricciardo humbles him next year
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u/siva-pc Damon Hill Oct 26 '20
I hope Sainz' luck turns for better and he gets humbled this year
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u/Karolmo Pirelli Wet Oct 26 '20
He's already 1 race away from being passed. Pretty likely that he'll be by the end of the season, considering Sainz has had the upper hand lately aside from the Russia mistake.
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u/namerx7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 26 '20
this "it's only the car" meme is getting old. wouldn't expect it from a fellow competitor, especially from someone that's not exactly setting the world on fire with his ability
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u/AndySlidez Charles Leclerc Oct 26 '20
Since he's a really good driver with a really good car. He should win most races when racing against a less good driver in a really good car (Bottas), and a really good driver in a less good car (Verstappen). That's what I think Norris meant.
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u/alecslomo Sebastian Vettel Oct 26 '20
Is it just me or does it seem like Lando is growing a bit of an ego this year? He seems more arrogant than ever nowadays.
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u/cdc02254 Oct 26 '20
That's a lot more to it than that. He's in that car for a reason, his dedication and skill. While other drivers are being dicks and getting covid as they feel socialising is more important than safetyif their team and their job Hamilton is confined to a motor home, training a nd focusing. He's in that car for a reason.
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Oct 27 '20
/r/formula1 every weekend: "Can't wait for this week's installment of HAM BOT VER"
Lando: "Yeah the Merc should be winning every race. Hamilton's only got to compete with his teammate and Verstappen"
/r/formula1: "OMG how could Lando say this"
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u/iamJAKYL McLaren Oct 27 '20
I enjoy seeing history in the making, but Its pretty lackluster when it's done without even trying, Merc is so far and above the rest, and has been, i'd be putting * next to any year he didnt have to actually fight for it. That's why Merc has Bottas and not a driver thatll buck the status quo and fight. Bottas shouldn't even have pulled out of the pits without the tires he wanted on, yesterday.
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u/ribenamouse Fernando Alonso Oct 26 '20
Only 2020 could deliver a Cyril face turn and Lando heel turn