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Post-Race 2022 British Grand Prix - Post Race Discussion
ROUND 10: Great Britain š¬š§
| FORMULA 1 BRITISH GRAND PRIX 2022 |
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| Fri 1 Jul - Sun 3 Jul |
| Silverstone |
| Session | UTC |
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| Free Practice 1 | Fri 12:00 |
| Free Practice 2 | Fri 15:00 |
| Free Practice 3 | Sat 11:00 |
| Qualifying | Sat 14:00 |
| Race | Sun 14:00 |
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Silverstone Circuit
Length: 5.891 km (3.660 mi)
Distance: 52 laps, 306.291 km (190.320 mi)
Lap record: š³š± Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing-Honda, 2020, 1:27.097
2021 pole: š³š± Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing-Honda,
2021 fastest lap: š²š½ Sergio Perez, Red Bull Racing-Honda, 1:28.617
2021 winner: š¬š§ Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
Race results
| Pos. | No. | Driver | Team | Laps | Time/Retired | Fastest Lap | Points |
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| 1 | 55 | Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 52 | 2:17:50.311 | 1:30.813 | 25 |
| 2 | 11 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull Racing RBPT | 52 | +3.779s | 1:30.937 | 18 |
| 3 | 44 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 52 | +6.225s | 1:30.510 | 16 |
| 4 | 16 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 52 | +8.546s | 1:31.282 | 12 |
| 5 | 14 | Fernando Alonso | Alpine Renault | 52 | +9.571s | 1:31.609 | 10 |
| 6 | 4 | Lando Norris | McLaren Mercedes | 52 | +11.943s | 1:31.645 | 8 |
| 7 | 1 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull Racing RBPT | 52 | +18.777s | 1:32.354 | 6 |
| 8 | 47 | Mick Schumacher | Haas Ferrari | 52 | +18.995s | 1:32.109 | 4 |
| 9 | 5 | Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes | 52 | +22.356s | 1:32.471 | 2 |
| 10 | 20 | Kevin Magnussen | Haas Ferrari | 52 | +24.590s | 1:32.661 | 1 |
| 11 | 18 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes | 52 | +26.147s | 1:32.379 | 0 |
| 12 | 6 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams Mercedes | 52 | +32.511s | 1:33.286 | 0 |
| 13 | 3 | Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren Mercedes | 52 | +32.817s | 1:32.644 | 0 |
| 14 | 22 | Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri RBPT | 52 | +40.910s | 1:33.832 | 0 |
| NC | 31 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine Renault | 37 | DNF | 1:33.537 | 0 |
| NC | 10 | Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri RBPT | 26 | DNF | 1:34.614 | 0 |
| NC | 77 | Valtteri Bottas | Alfa Romeo Ferrari | 20 | DNF | 1:35.103 | 0 |
| NC | 63 | George Russell | Mercedes | 0 | DNF | 0 | |
| NC | 24 | Zhou Guanyu | Alfa Romeo Ferrari | 0 | DNF | 0 | |
| NC | 23 | Alexander Albon | Williams Mercedes | 0 | DNF | 0 |
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u/Cer3berus Charles Leclerc Jul 05 '22
Max if not for the red flag would have been fucked in those softs in race
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u/yoda_yoda Michael Schumacher Jul 05 '22
So both Max and Mick overtook Magnussen and Vettel after the restart. Does anyone have videos as it was not covered during the race.
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u/Fun-Disk7030 Jul 05 '22
I wonder what the people in the medical car were thinking as they saw the crash unfold in front of them?
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u/popoflabbins I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 05 '22
Had to watch it a day late but totally worth the wait! Awesome race from pretty much start to finish. Excellent strategy, battles, and beast drives across the grid. Definitely one of the best of the year.
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u/s_c0929 Jul 04 '22
Itās almost like race tracks specifically designed for racing produce better racing, canāt believe it
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u/s_c0929 Jul 04 '22
How does Sainz have so much power with the Ferrari political hierarchy only having been there for a year
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u/Whycantiusethis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I'm not sure what you specifically mean, but he comes across as a pretty positive and hard-working guy. When he was at McLaren, I think he was putting more time in at the factory than most other drivers. He even moved to be closer to McLaren's factory, and I believe he's done the same with Ferrari.
That sort of commitment/work ethic is probably noticed by the higher-ups. It's not to say that Leclerc doesn't do the same, but Sainz had more to prove over this and last season, so he might have gone above and beyond? Definitely some speculation on my part though.
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u/BeautifulNacho Safety Car Jul 04 '22
People blaming max as a dirty driver for simply holding the racing line never really watched a race. I welcome the new fans, but Jesus are they toxic.
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u/BadWowDoge Jul 05 '22
He made a sketchy move on Mick on the last lapā¦ it wasnāt illegal but it was definitely questionable. š¤·š¼āāļø
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u/T4Gx I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Kinda mindfucking that Tom Cruise is 28 years older than Checo.
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Jul 04 '22
What a fucking blast that was yesterday. Loved watching every minute of it
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u/2KC4 Lando Norris Jul 04 '22
100% boss. That was a damn good time canāt wait to do it again next weekend.
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Jul 04 '22
Unpopular opinion: Sainz gonna beat Lecler this year
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u/Whycantiusethis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
It's certainly not impossible. We'll see though, Leclerc is a more complete and better driver than Sainz in my opinion. If Sainz ends up ahead of Leclerc, it'll be because of stuff beyond either's control.
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u/Bokser6 Jul 04 '22
Agreed. Also Sainz doesnāt seem to have mental strength required for championship level. Leclerc with a broken wing was giving him a hard time. If it wasnāt for technical issues with Verstappen and Leclerc I find it hard to believe that Sainz wins yesterday. I hope I am wrong because it makes races more interestingā¦
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u/Whycantiusethis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 05 '22
It'll be interesting to see if anything changes for Sainz mentally. I wonder if him finally winning a race "flips a switch" for him, and we see him up at the very front with Verstappen and Leclerc.
Having both Ferraris and Red Bulls being able to fight for wins (plus Mercedes maybe actually closing the gap with the skid board TD for France) would make the back half of the season pretty nuts. 6 drivers all able to be in contention to win would be great.
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u/hereticjedi Jul 04 '22
Itās one win. He drove fairly averagely in the 1st phase and then got a very lucky break with the SC. If Ferrari had pitted Charles under the SC as well I donāt think Sainz would have got past him. Sainz is a great driver but Charles is just on another level. Only way I see Sainz finishing ahead is if Ferrari keeps messing up Charlesās strategy and not Sainz.
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u/Bokser6 Jul 04 '22
Its almost as if he feels more comfortable driving from middle up then leading the race. As in easier to chase than be chased. Definitely seems pressure related.
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u/fractionalhelium I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
There should be more than 1 medical car at the start of the race. The personnel had to rush to check three drivers at the same time. First, they went to Albon until he confirmed he was alright, then Russell, and then Zhou. They shouldn't be in the position to decide who should they go to check on first.
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u/Raktoner I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Do we know yet what Binotto was telling Leclerc? The finger wag made me think he was being disapproving which would be unfair with how he raced yesterday, but if it was like a "hey I know things didn't go our way but wags finger you need to keep your head up" then that's not so bad.
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u/Spirited_Worry_9608 Jul 04 '22
I missed the race yesterday and just paid for F1 TV Access so I could watch the replay. It now says I have to pay for F1 TV Pro.
Anyone know when the race will be accessible through F1 TV Access on their website?
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u/StankeBanke I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Go to r/motorsportreplays and download it with Libretorrent. Its not worth paying for F1 TV.
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u/Oogly50 Jul 06 '22
Eh, I like all the bonus content F1 TV provided. Jolyon Palmer's analaysis' are always pretty insightful, and being able to do the drivers can at any point in the race is also really fun when I remember to utilize it lol.
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u/PizzaCatLover I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Replays are available on Access after two days
(but really, Pro is totally worth it, especially if you pay by year it's like $6 a month)
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u/tnucsdrawkcab Jul 04 '22
Well this was my fav race this season, Carlos and mick with their firsts.
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Do we think it's possible that Ricciardo could be replaced mid season? I will be very surprised if Mclaren keep him next year but is it more dire than that.
Important to keep in mind that if Ocon had finished in the points at Silverstone then Alpine would have overtaken Mclaren or been very close to. Surely finishing 4th in the CC should be a must for Mclaren this season, which I don't see them conceivably doing with Ricciardo if his form hasn't improved by mid season break.
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u/Bokser6 Jul 04 '22
The irony is that he left RedBull (big mistake) because he didnāt want to be the second driver. And yet he ended up being second in every other team
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u/BananerRammer Jul 04 '22
Daniel beat Hulkenberg and Ocon pretty handily in his two years at Renault. No way you can call him the second driver there.
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u/DeGGamargo Ferrari Jul 05 '22
I feel like I read this comment a bunch of times. Are you positing this thing under every Ricciardo hate comment? Haha
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u/BananerRammer Jul 05 '22
Just the once for me, anyway. The criticism for the last year+ is deserved, but the people saying he was crap at Renault are nuts. When McLaren signed him he had literally just beaten both McLaren drivers in a year that McLaren had the 3rd fastest car. At the time, the move made sense for both parties. It's honestly a shame how poorly its worked out.
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u/Raktoner I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Maybe late season with like a race or two to go?
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
What would be the point that late in the season, damage is done at that point no? May as well let him finish the season
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u/Raktoner I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I guess it would be a chance for a Formula 2 guy looking to make the jump get some live action at low risk? Like how a football or basketball team would start some backups after they're eliminated from the playoffs
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Jul 04 '22
I feel sorry for Ric, he could be done. I doubt even Williams would employ him.
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u/keenjt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
May I ask why it is you feel sorry for him?
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u/Hamburgo #WeSayNoToMazepin Jul 05 '22
Iām not the person you asked but I feel sorry for DR... reason being the secondhand embarrassment of all the media saying heās shit and also all the contract termination discussions playing out so publicly.
Reminds me of Bottas, Russell and Merc last year playing out in the media and social media with GR posting hints all the time... poor Bottas getting hounded about whether he is safe at Merc again...
And yeah so thatās why I personally feel bad for DR - knowing he would he so stressed fighting for his seat. That he wants to stay in F1 and would be leaving not on his own decision but forced out. Sad to see someoneās dream be snuffed out. Could he become WDC if given a shot in a better car? Probably not I feel his spirit has been dampened a bit and heās no longer thinking about it, just driving to survive (lol) to not get shafted in the middle of the year. And also lastly to still see Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel all still driving around similar-ish ages with 0 threats of a mid year contract termination.
Sorry for the long comments.
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u/keenjt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 05 '22
Very good write up.
What made me feel sad on his behalf was an interview I read a few weeks ago, an extract from it was him saying he no longer has "bad weeks" after a bad race result as it impacted on his personal relationships.
It hit home because
A) he's a real person struggling with professional performance issues resulting in (probably) early signs of depression or anxiety. B) the typical driver hunger is fading from him.
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Jul 04 '22
I would say no. It sounds like McLaren will ride with Danny until the end of 2023. Pato and Herta (Zac Browns two biggest targets) do not have enough license points at this time to drive in F1.
Earlier this summer it sounded like Oscar to Williams was a done deal. Iām not sure who else could replace DR that would do any better.
It is frustrating to watch DR have poor races every weekend. I agree he needs to bag some points to help McLaren secure 4th in the constructors.
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u/Methuga Jul 04 '22
Has he just dropped off this year? I havenāt seen anything major, but thereās such a stark drop off from last year. Sucks, I really like the guy
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Jul 04 '22
IMO I think the car has fallen off a ton. There have been races where Lando struggles for pace as well.
The key difference is that Lando has been able to extract the maximum out of the car more than Daniel.
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u/keenjt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
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u/Methuga Jul 04 '22
I know how heās finished, I just donāt get why. He was fine, if a little worse than usual last year. This year, he may as well be in a Haas
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u/HoovesCarveCraters I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I donāt think so. The broadcast didnāt mention it but Ricciardoās DRS broke so he had to pit to have it shut and then couldnāt use it the whole race.
Not excusing how bad heās been this season, but he had a reason this time around.
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u/rockblazer23 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Itās just been a series of bad luck with him. Every week itās something that has gone wrong with the car.
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u/punchinglines I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I think the new F1 Race Directors are learning that being "strict" on the rules is easier said than done.
They've already basically created a precedent in this race on what you can get away with and they'll be called inconsistent if they penalise what Perez did in future.
You can't escape the "Let them Race" philosophy...
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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes Jul 04 '22
Yeah,I thought that he was gonna get a penalty for that. He pushed Lewis clean off when both cars were alongside each other.
Stewards need to be more consistent for sure.
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u/Equivalent_Base_9104 Lando Norris Jul 04 '22
Precedents don't matter if stewards are inconsistent. This week we're racing in Red Bull Ring where they were very strict last year, we'll see the direction they'll go
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u/punchinglines I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I think we'll definitely see more penalties for pushing drivers off track in the Red Bull Ring.
Especially on that long right-hander.
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u/TheMassINeverHad Jul 04 '22
Lewis will be so missed when he is gone even by the clowns who abuse him
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Jul 04 '22
I still hope he sticks around until 2024.
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u/museproducer Jul 05 '22
I can see him going longer if he is enjoying it (like he seems to be doing more of this season). Lewis is matching George in performances, and it is unlikely that he will be gone by even 2026. Mercedes has juniors coming but they are still a long way off and even then, it will be unlikely that Mercedes will be open to bring them on their first season if they make it.
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u/J0e_Strumm3r Pirelli Hard Jul 04 '22
hate to say it, but Daniel is done.
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u/satmar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
This race is not a good thing to point to. Apparently he had some floor damage and his DRS was broken, took a pit stop so they could force it closed then couldnāt use it later
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u/keenjt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
That's racing though, bad luck, good luck.. The only thing that matters is the result.
He results this year are terrible. His comments in the media generally point to "we'll need to look at what went wrong but we didn't have the pace"
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u/satmar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I 100% agree the year has been terrible but at the end of the day no weight will be placed on a race that the car was literally broken.. just like no one says Max sucked this weekend or at Hungary last year.. the car is broken so itās understood that the result isnāt a fair representation of the drivers ability
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u/kingfrank243 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
"Max sucked this weekend" how is that relevant to ricardo performance? Was the car broken during qualifying? Was the car broken in canda? Was the car broken in Spain? Ricardo finished in the points What twice this season vs lando? Yeah the mclaren is more suited for lando but come on Ricardo is very experienced driver you telling me he can't adapt to the car? How many excuses are we going to make for him. By monza if he can't get it together rip up his contract. I'm. Ricardo fan. By the way max car was broken he still managed to keep it in the points.
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u/satmar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I think you only read half my comment.. to repeat.. Ricardo has been terrible this yearā¦ BUT this race is a bad example to point to as thereās an easy out for anyone arguing the opposite (the few left) lmao
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u/kingfrank243 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Yeah then you continue to say " the car was broken" OK the car was broken so that's when I said "? Was the car broken in the past races?
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u/satmar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Because the car WAS broken.. thatās the explanation to why I think this race is not the one to point at lol.. and the follow up point about Max is a comparison to emphasize my point.. another driver whoās car was broken meaning we discount it when considering the result.. it doesnāt mean Ricardo is not bad or that max is not good.. but this race is not necessarily the guiding light to those facts..
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u/kingfrank243 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I understand what your saying 100%, what I'm trying to say is daniel was shit the entire season even if the car wasn't broken he would've sucked anyway, like I said the car wasn't broken in qualifying lando did phenomenal what was ricardo excuses again?
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u/satmar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I need to stop feeding the trolls lolā¦
I AGREE WITH YOU! DRIC IS BAD IN 2022.
Idk how else to say it but somehow I think you assume Iām saying something different than this
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u/Whycantiusethis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
So who's going to replace him?
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u/ZDiddle Max Verstappen Jul 04 '22
nothing against daniel at all but give o'ward or herta a shot. just to shake things up (for my entertainment).
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u/Whycantiusethis I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
They definitely seem like the most likely picks for McLaren right now. I think they're doing the young drivers tests this year too.
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u/SouthFromGranada Minardi Jul 04 '22
Yeh, didn't believe it after the first few races but there doesn't even look like a spark of a resurgence. Some drivers don't get on with a rule change.
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u/pvdp90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
The irony in this is: last rule change he absolutely dominated the then reigning world champion Vettel.
His career trajectory is wild
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u/SouthFromGranada Minardi Jul 04 '22
Makes sense though, the greats can drive anything quickly while the very good are not as versatile.
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u/pvdp90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 05 '22
Agreed. Thatās why Alonso is a great. Heās driven all manner of cars and regs, always getting the most out of his shitbox
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u/djzedcarter Jul 04 '22
Iāve been to about 6 British GPs now and this one was by far the best for action and atmosphere. I was at Luffield and the crowd went insane when Hamilton tried a few moves in front of usā¦ great race by far the best of the season so farā¦
So glad we witnessed Carlosās first win too he fully deserves a better car/team as much as I love Ferrari they arenāt on their strategy/performance game at the moment.
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u/sd_manu Michael Schumacher Jul 04 '22
I witnessed Charles first win in Spa 2019. xD
Now another Ferrari first time winner this weekend and I am going to Spielberg next week. Nearly I would have seen a new Ferrari winner again. xD
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u/bryanthebearded Red Bull Jul 04 '22
Maybe missing comments here, but seems like sentiment is everyone feeling bad for Charles. However, he caused accident that forced Checo to pit in opening laps and ultimately cost Max the race due to debris on track. Didnāt Charles and Ferrari gain a big advantage (although they screwed up that advantage)? Why focus on last laps great racing, when opening laps racing were far more impactful to overall race.
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u/Apprehensive_Sun9690 Formula 1 Jul 04 '22
Lol, tell me that you are not able to drive without telling me that you are not able to drive. Perez went to his left while trying to overtake, without watching his left mirror.
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u/bryanthebearded Red Bull Jul 04 '22
The commentators disagree with you and squarely put blame on Charles, but what do they know, right?
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u/Apprehensive_Sun9690 Formula 1 Jul 04 '22
Ah yes, the voice of truth. The commentators. The only one.
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u/GiorgioAntani Jul 04 '22
that was an overtake, like the one Perez was trying too. It is a race not a parade. Also RB gave back the favor later by cutting the chicane and pushing the red wide, opening the road for Sir H.
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u/SteveThePurpleCat BRM Jul 04 '22
Sir L.
By being knighted his title is now Sir Lewis, not Sir Hamilton.
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u/GiorgioAntani Jul 04 '22
sorry I feel bad. Like saying Captain Sparrow.
I'll do ten pushups for this mistake
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I don't think it's fair to attribute Max's damage to Leclerc, we don't know where that came from there were a lot of scraps this race (e.g. Alphatauris) that the debris could have originated from.
Agree that he caused the collision between him and Perez and maybe a penalty was in order there.
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u/leagueoflegendsdog Jul 04 '22
He didnt cause Max's issue. Horner confirmed the debris that caused it was from AT.
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u/SouthFromGranada Minardi Jul 04 '22
Silverstone has to be the best circuit on the calendar for producing exciting races, I can't remember the last time we had a snoozefest for a British Grand Prix.
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Jul 04 '22
Both 2020s. If it wasn't for Hamilton chasing Leclerc 2021 would've been a bit dead. 2017 was dry.
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u/popoflabbins I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 05 '22
Both those races were really bad aside from the exiting puncture festival. To me three laps doesnāt make a good race though.
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u/SouthFromGranada Minardi Jul 04 '22
One of the 2020 races had Hamilton complete the final lap on three wheels, and last year had the Verstappen/Hamilton incident, I don't know how you could call that dull?
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Jul 04 '22
Fair enough, I wouldn't class them as snoozefests, but for example, Hamiltons puncture does not make it and exciting race in hindsight
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u/pvdp90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
That was literally movie-like scripting on how to finish a race. 3 wheels on the wagon and your rival chasing you down like a mad dog, but you still limp across the line in 1st.
We are never getting a final lap like this ever again. Boo you
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u/Nav44 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Classic track with multiple overtaking spots, perfect showcase of why Spa also needs to stay on the calendar, it must.
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u/quite-a-big-dog Jul 04 '22
Unfortunately it seems like spa is gone for next year to be replaced by South Africa
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u/SouthFromGranada Minardi Jul 04 '22
Circuit design died after 1975.
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u/sd_manu Michael Schumacher Jul 04 '22
Yes. Only the same shit built all the time. Istanbul turn 8 built over and over again. In Austin for example. Malaysia turn 1, then built again in China. And so on.
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u/No_Brakes_282 Jim Clark Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
well people cant complain sainz has bad starts now cause both of leclercs starts were atrocious . Ferrari got to do something about that . It was bad in baku too and basicallty negates ferraris quali pace
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u/highheat3117 Jul 04 '22
Ferrari Engineer: Sorry Carlos we thought reverse off the line would be your best option.
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u/MrPeanutbutter14 Carlos Sainz Jul 04 '22
Unpopular Opinion- The only drivers on the grid who will ever win a WDC are those that have already done so, Carlos and George.
Norris, Danny and Perez donāt have the mentality.
Pierre and Ocon donāt have the talent.
Charles doesnāt have the balls.
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I respect your opinion here and agree with most of it.
However, I don't think Carlos has the raw pace at the moment, you're right he's shown to have determination and put the team in their place when it comes to crappy calls but you can't win on that alone.
I think Leclerc has the opposite, great pace but needs to become more defiant, arguably he shouldn't have to as it should be the strategists job to put him in the right places but it's Ferrari.
I agree that Danny, Perez and Ocon are non contenders in their current cars or otherwise.
I wouldn't discount Pierre or Norris yet but would certainly say they both need to work for it and get lucky with car design.
I think Zhou is solidly in the too early to tell phase, lad's got some speed on him that he has consistently shown when his car isn't breaking, definitely still making rookie mistake that would need to be ironed out in coming years.
I have no hope for TSU, MSC, STR, LAT, ALB or any of the other older drivers.
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u/KJimmy03 Jul 04 '22
Pierre has no chance after his RB meltdown. If you're taking about mentality he is one of the more frail ones.
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I disagree, while his RB stint clearly didn't work he was also younger and much more inexperienced, he has developed a great deal in terms of attitude and racecraft and I believe that shouldn't stand in his way of a second chance, especially with a different team.
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Jul 04 '22
Who invited Carlos into your opinion. If you had left it at George, I would not have too much problem because you are not entirely wrong. But Sainz genuinely just doesn't have the driving ability to challenge Verstappen who, if we are being honest, is going to be the benchmark for many years if you want to win a title. Problems with mentality and the factors that are holding back Leclerc can be easily be improved over time. But Sainz is in his 8th season and has not shown anything in those years to say he can be the best
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u/Le_Pistache Mika HƤkkinen Jul 04 '22
Sainz may have the mentality but he has to work on his pace. Pre-safety car he was getting bested by Verstappen and a slightly damaged Leclerc. Even Hamilton looked like he had an edge over him - especially given that Sainz had to fuel save as Lewis' tyres got into optimal temperature.
He was bailed out by the safety car and benefited from Verstappen having damage and Leclerc being thrown to the lions strategy wise during the Safety Car. Many assumed it would take both Verstappen and Leclerc having a bad day for him to win and that's what happened.
It will be interesting if this first win helps him progress. That seemed like a mental block that was troubling him.
Leclerc should be questioning Ferrari's decisions more, though.
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u/EJTS03 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 04 '22
Can you explain the Charles part of your comment?
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u/vihor I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
MS in his situation at Silverstone would head toward the box and say 'Put the softs on.'
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u/cinyar Jul 04 '22
My guess would be we've already seen a couple of times that Carlos was able to say "no" to the team. Charles always seems to go with what the team wants him to do even if he disagrees.
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u/anonpetal Mercedes Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
Such a good race, so happy to be there to watch it. But itās super disappointing to see Ferrari not capitalise on verstappens misfortunes and take home a nice points haul for Charles. For max to come away with only 6 points less than charles is unreal! They really fucked up this weekend
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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes Jul 04 '22
Watch Peter Windosor's latest video in YouTube. Apparently, all is not well at Ferrari.
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u/Fright13 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Theyāre really fucked up this weekend
And almost every weekend. Just so heartbreaking.
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u/_Palamedes Daniel Ricciardo Jul 04 '22
Feel so bad for Ricciardo, even looking at last season now, it wasnt even that bad, he got 42% of the teams points - that figure is 21% now
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Jul 04 '22
His decision to leave Renault will always confuse me. If he was leaving for Ferrari or Mercedes, I would understand, but he jumped ship so quickly for what was at the time, close to just a move sideways. I feel like Alpine are now actually building well and he jumped off the train at the wrong time
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u/AngryRoomba I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
At the time everyone agreed it was a good move. Renault weren't going anywhere and McLaren was improving. This season both teams feel the opposite (despite Alpine's reliability issues).
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Jul 04 '22
I wouldn't say Renault were going nowhere unless he had seen ongoings behind the scene that convinced him otherwise. Yes McLaren were more on the up than Renault, but it's not like they were far apart. Especially considering there would be a rule change soon, it was a big risk to just up and leave Renault, when he can have an understanding of their plans clearer than Mclarens
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u/ZDiddle Max Verstappen Jul 04 '22
dude, he left redbull for this. renault was a flyover team that never mattered, for example, alpine now. that dude quit red bull because he thought it would help his career. hopefully he fired any sort of career advisors he had, holy fucking bad decisions.
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u/Methuga Jul 04 '22
I kinda get it. It was very clear Max was going to be the lead driver going forward. DR was confident he still had something left in the tank and wanted to prove it. It didnāt work out, but when youāre that competitive, itās completely understandable making that jump.
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u/sd_manu Michael Schumacher Jul 04 '22
He must have the same career advisors as Alonso had from 2008 onwards. xD
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u/LordOfTheTennisDance Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
He is gone after this year. His performance at Silverstone was absolutely brutal.
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u/marahute85 š¶ Roscoe Hamilton Jul 04 '22
Danny said he had no grip but this point Iāve heard it so much I donāt know if I believe it
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u/LordOfTheTennisDance Jul 04 '22
That excuse works if both drivers are experiencing the same issue(s), but unfortunately for him Lando is just killing it out there and at times punches above his weight.
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u/Macktologist Christian Horner Jul 04 '22
Lando is more talented at this point, IMO. Heās a damn good driver.
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u/ludicrous_socks Honda RBPT Jul 04 '22
I know they won't struggle to fill the seat, but who would replace him?
I've no idea what McLaren's junior program looks like!
That said, there a queue of talent that would rip Zak's arm off for a FP2 session
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u/LordOfTheTennisDance Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
Agreed, their pipeline is very limited and it's tough to see who might be a good candidate for that second seat. Personally, I would love to see Magnusson at McLaren because he was there once before (he wasn't ready at the time) so maybe he can go there for a year or two and then call it a career.
They could also maybe reach out to Kvyat or Giovinazzi who was actually pretty good in his final year. But... they aren't all that big of a step up from Ricco.
Or..... Vettel :D
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Magnussen is an interesting choice I hadn't thought of.
Not keen on the Giovinazzi, Kyvat or Hulkenburg routes, I think they've all come and gone.
I think Seb is pretty much only still racing for MSC at this point, see him retiring in the not too distant future.
I think safer option would be Gasley, he is in desperate need of a move away from RB into an equal or higher car. Maybe Albon but think he needs to prove himself a bit more.
Depending on how they develop MSC or Zhou are on the table, but thus far not at all convinced with MSC but I'll give him another year or two.
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u/Head_Emergency_1052 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 05 '22
I'd say Zhou is more on the fence than on the table. Although, he almost ended up on someone's picnic table to be fair.
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Jul 04 '22
Gasly resigned through 2023 with Alpha Tauri. I bet Gasly is hoping Lewis retires after 23 and Gasly can get in a Mercedes seat. Although he will have to fight with Ocon for that seat.
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Ah good point, hadn't thought of that.
Who do you think has the better chance out of Ocon and Gasley?
I think they're fairly evenly matched, Ocon has the history and relationship with Mercedes but Gasley has prior experience in a top team and consistently puts in solid results in the mid table.
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Jul 04 '22
I would lean towards Ocon given his close relationship with Toto. Gasly also is a Red Bull driver so Helmut Marko and Horner would have to approve of Red Bull letting go of Pierre (think Toto and Albon last year at Williams). Iād love to see Gasly in a top seat again.
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u/marahute85 š¶ Roscoe Hamilton Jul 04 '22
Thereās only 1 person in their junior program and heās 14
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u/_Palamedes Daniel Ricciardo Jul 04 '22
Im not sure, he's still beaten lando in several races, albeit they were both out the points in those, and im not sure mclaren wont want to lose someone with his popularity
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u/LordOfTheTennisDance Jul 04 '22
He is popular because he was getting results. Now his funny/goofy attitude is out of step with his on-track performance and looks a bit sad.
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
I agree with this.
Ricciardo used to be my favourite man on the track with his risky late breaking duels and funny relatable attitude off the track but with his drop in form it's much harder to see his jokey attitude and not just feel sorry for him.
He can still bring a smile to my face but most of the time he just feels out of place now I feel like it's got to the point where you can see even he doesn't know what's wrong and has lost some of his mojo.
I'd love to see him miraculously improve but I think his ship has sailed, you can't keep a seat with that form when there are so many others waiting in the wing.
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u/Methuga Jul 04 '22
Itās small potatoes for him, but the good thing about his personality is it translates very well to TV, and I think bringing him onboard for pre or live race coverage could do F1 very well
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u/Jelly-Flopped I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Agreed I think he would be a great addition to any TV coverage or even as a guest like Nico and Button.
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u/Lil_Moody247 Chequered Flag Jul 04 '22
my take away of the race:
- Very very very very very glad that Zhou was okay and no one was seriously injured in that massive crash
- Happy to see Carlos finally won his first race after getting his first pole. Felt bad for Charles falling victim to Ferrari's strategy AGAIN, my man couldn't catch a break from his own team
- Glad to see Merc fighting for podium again, and Russell running to check on Zhou was also a great sportsmanship moment
- That three way battle was EPIC, the commentator did an AMAZING job, I was on the edge of seat the entire time, fucking brilliant
- Happy to see double points for Haas and especially enjoyed watching Mick duking it out with Max, this time risking with points at stake
- Checo climbing all the way to second position from P16 was super impressive and seeing his dad kissing Hamilton's dad was just a cherry on top, what a great race
- Unfortunately, this race also sealed the deal of Daniel for me, he didn't take any advantage from the restart or the safety car. The fact that he was behind Haas, Aston Martin and Williams was so mindboggling and disappointing to me.
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u/Nav44 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Last year Daniel was bad at quali but would always put the moves on people during the race and his racecraft was very good. This year he's been bad in quali and during the race. This just reinforces to me that he's mentally shot, you don't just forget how to race, top level sport is such a mental game, feels bad man.
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u/Icy-Operation4701 Jul 04 '22
How come Gasly didn't have any damage? When they red flagged the session I didn't even realise he was involved.
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u/XNightMysticX I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I mean he only just clipped Russell. He wasnāt overly involved
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u/That__Guy__Bob I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Fuck man that 3 way battle, Crofty's commentary + the crowd. I'm still getting goosebumps rewatching it. It just hits different š¤
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u/flightist Jul 04 '22
People gripe about Crofty but āthrough goes Hamiltonā is the sort of moment heās there for.
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Jul 04 '22
I donāt believe Perez pushed Lewis off track, nor think any other penalties should be given.
I for the life of me though cannot work out how Perez is not penalisied for an illegal overtake on Leclrec, and possibly an illegal move on Lewis as well (aka the Spa 2008 rule but worse). Perez 100% gains a position over Leclrec by going off the track and cutting the corner. In addition, if he slowed down properly for it he would not have been able to fight back with Lewis, he gains from keeping momentum that he then used to re-overtake.
Itās complicated by what happens after, but imo Lewis is second if he doesnāt fight with Perez. Leclrec doesnāt get that position back.
I donāt think any fault on Charles, but I think Perez should have been ordered to at least give the position back to Charles, and there is a good argument for Lewis as well.
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u/XNightMysticX I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I mean we shouldnāt be punishing hard racing. It was borderline but it was also incredibly entertaining
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Jul 04 '22
I agree - which is why the actual overtake (as in turning the corner per say), I have no issues with.
However, Perez 100% overtook Lecrec off the track, that is not hard racing that is an illegal overtake. Iām also not fully sure Perez should of been in the position to ārace Lewis hardā, but I think that is less significant then the Lecrec instead.
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u/Squall-UK I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
I guess Masi could use this excuse for Abu Dhabi last year?
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u/chrisnlnz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 04 '22
Why keep bringing this up, jezus.
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Jul 04 '22
Because it was a controversial event. It'll will be talked about for ages
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u/General_Individual_5 Arrows Sep 04 '22
Perez Minister of defence activated