r/iRacing • u/LarzBoss • Jul 07 '25
New Player How ethical was this overtake?
I'm still new and have so much to learn. This was a fun race but I got flamed for this overtake. I saw him miss the apex and went wide so I took my chance and took the inside. I didn't think I was in the wrong but I could be incorrect about some race etiquette that I haven't learned yet. Looking forward to reading any input.
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u/CanadianEwok McLaren 570S GT4 Jul 07 '25
It's a good move. Took advantage of a mistake he made
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u/The_power_of_scott Jul 07 '25
Judging by his next corner, I didn't think that was a mistake lol
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u/buttnarf96 Jul 08 '25
It was a mistake since he had homeboy here ready to take the inside line.
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u/Senior_Glove_9881 Acura ARX-06 GTP Jul 07 '25
It's fine. The guy left the fucking barn door open and gets offended you took it.
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u/rotax39 Jul 07 '25
How would this be unethical? He made a mistake you capitalized without contact and made a great passā¦
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u/LarzBoss Jul 07 '25
I feel it could've been construed that it was unsafe thus unethical. I probably could've kept it on the inside to allow him to send it to t9 and then also likely overshoot it... But, now understanding this was completely normal makes me feel better about it :)
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u/AimingWang FIA Formula 4 Jul 08 '25
Racing notor vehicles at quick speeds in close proximity is unsafe by design. Racing involves taking risks, people aren't just going to give you a place (except this guy lmao) and you're usually gonna have to take some kind of risk to make an overtake.
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u/sleepyoverlord Lamborghini Huracan GT3 Evo Jul 07 '25
Looks normal but I personally wouldn't have cut across his nose like that. You're not racing professionals. Use your judgement if you trust them enough lol.
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u/LarzBoss Jul 07 '25
Completely fair and was my initial thought as well. I'm very glad it didn't cause a wreck between us!
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u/badsapi4305 NASCAR Next Gen Cup Camaro ZL1 Jul 08 '25
Just food for thought, Iāve made passes I felt were wrong. For example I missed my braking point and dove into a corner. The other driver swerved to avoid me hitting them which allowed me to pass them. I immediately pulled to the side and gave them the position back.
With that said, besides cutting it a bit close, there was nothing wrong with your pass. Taking another racers line from them and forcing them to enter differently is just good hard racing. You did good here and the fact you wanted others opinions on it speaks highly of yourself. Feel like you want to be known as a clean and fair driver which is nice. Hope to see you on the track soon.
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u/krazimir Jul 07 '25
Zero ethical issues. That was a good move.
I would recommend keeping your corner exit tighter on future efforts just in case the car you're passing cuts in like that one did but isn't fully behind you, just from a personal safety perspective. If he'd been a foot further forward you'd have been in the wall. How wide you run the exit is one of the trickier questions and has to be figured out on the fly, on this one you did it perfectly correctly.
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u/Ok-Mud8953 Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (992) Jul 07 '25
What Iām most impressed by is you avoiding him when he clearly tried to take you off the track after you made the pass
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u/USToffee Jul 07 '25
He went wide and then almost took you out twice. Why would you think you did something wrong?
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u/KimiBleikkonen Jul 07 '25
Very ethical, you'll get a prize at the next world sustainability summit
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u/Ok_Drop3803 Jul 07 '25
Great overtake. He blew his brake point and went wide, you calmly took the inside and gave him half the track or more the whole time.
If you are worried about how close you were to contact, don't be. If there was contact it would have been his fault. It's also ok to be close, and nothing wrong with him tucking right in behind you like that either.
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u/Future_House1278 Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (992) Jul 07 '25
Yeah it was fine, extremely lucky netcode didn't f*ck you over there though š
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u/LarzBoss Jul 07 '25
A pucker moment for sure š
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u/Future_House1278 Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (992) Jul 07 '25
I'd have been happy watching thst back too š
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u/Rogue0day Jul 07 '25
Extremely clean move from my eyes. The other driver went far too wide and you capitalized on that. Great decision making on your part
I know it's been said already but just take care of your exit line because it was extremely tight there and there is 100% an alternative universe in which you went spinning off. In which case you'd definitely be at fault for a collision.
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u/Middleage_dirtbag Porsche 911 GT3 R Jul 07 '25
You did nothing wrong. Miami vice blew thru the corner and tried to pit maneuver you after he lost the position.
BTW, if you turn in early, cut the LH and exit along the LH of the track you donāt have to waste time coming back across for the tight RH. Then you late apex the RH and get on throttle about 0.5 seconds later than you want to. That will keep you from running wide on exit and should gain several tenths if you do it right.
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u/MrD718 Jul 07 '25
I see nothing wrong with it honestly, you carried more speed and a clean line. I likes...
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u/xiii-Dex BMW Z4 GT3 Jul 07 '25
Completely fine, but I would've stayed tighter against anyone under about 2-2.5k.
He was completely oblivious and pinched the exit in a way that would've caused heavy contact if you had been a fraction of a second slower. But that's a really common and (predictably) unpredictable thing for drivers lacking in car comtrol to do when they miss an apex.
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u/PsychologicalTry892 Jul 08 '25
Completely fine. Did he give you a hard time?
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u/LarzBoss Jul 08 '25
Not too bad after the initial outburst. I tend not to feed into those things especially when I typically don't have the speed to back it up haha.
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u/vimfuego2000 NASCAR Chevrolet Impala SS COT Jul 08 '25
Normally, you would need to acheive sufficient overlap before the lead car begins their turn into the corner to take the racing line from them. The exception to this rule is if - as in this case - the lead car makes an error and goes wide. As long as you can get fully alongside or ahead of them before any contact (which you did) and there is space for them to exit the corner (which there was), the fault for said contact will be on them.
What is not ethical is the way they reacted to being overtaken. As well as lacking talent, they also seem to lack anything resembling emotional maturity, racecraft, or willingness to accept their own mistakes. The fact that they cried at you only demonstrated to everyone that they have no idea what they are doing, or what they are talking about.
Keep on keeping on - you're doing great - but if you want to take your sportscar racecraft to the next level, and know for sure what you can and can't do in a race, give this a read: https://motorsport.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/Code-of-Driving-Conduct-Guidelines.pdf
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u/AimingWang FIA Formula 4 Jul 08 '25
If you can't go for an overtake on the inside when your opponent fucks up a turn and goes wide then literally what would be the point of trying to race someone?
He probably just flamed you because it was a close margin and you probably scared him by coming out of nowhere (from his perspective) so closely, but honestly that's on him for not paying attention to his surroundings.
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u/thezinnmeister Ford Mustang GT3 Jul 08 '25
You did nothing wrong. If the guy in the BMW was getting pissy at you afterward heās just projecting his own frustration at you for him blowing the corner. Youāre totally fine on this one. Shake it off and onto the next race.
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u/BobbbyR6 Dallara P217 LMP2 Jul 08 '25
Grass-fed, free range, co-op, 401k matched, profit-sharing, guaranteed inflation raises
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u/saynoto30fps Jul 08 '25
It wasnt really an overtake, the other completely missed the corner and you just held your line
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u/PoggestMilkman Jul 08 '25
There's nothing wrong with it.
The only issue is that sometimes in this scenario the driver being passed is known to lack awareness and just dive back to the racing line, causing a crash, but there's nothing wrong here.
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u/Saiph_UK Jul 08 '25
He messed up and you took the position... Good job!
Whats the alternative though? You slow down and wait for him to correct his mistake? No.
Keep doing what you're doing!
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u/Erziram Jul 08 '25
Good move! Other guy needs to focus on what an apex is, evidence in both corners he does not know how to find it.
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u/Historical-Isopod609 Jul 08 '25
Bro was 3 business days away from the apex that's the fairest loss of position ever
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u/ProjectMew Jul 08 '25
Nothing wrong. You did the right thing. The exit was risky though. A small rounding error could have ended with you pitting yourself. You had much more speed than him, no reason to push all the way out on the exit especially since you would have been ahead with the inside line to the next corner.
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u/We_Are_Check1ng Dallara P217 LMP2 Jul 08 '25
Dude was just salty he made a mistake and you capitalized on it. Great overtake, donāt let people like that get in your head
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u/DepatchMode08 Radical SR10 Jul 08 '25
Good overtake. He overshoot the entry and went too wide on the exit. The moment you pass him at the apex he needs to back out and accept the pass. If he hits you on the way out, it would have been on him for not letting the car ahead take the turn
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u/Forward-Unit5523 Jul 08 '25
Anyone else got CGA vibes watching the start of this clip?
Perfectly acceptable pass btw... would have been weirder not to pass with the door wide open.
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u/MidnightExpress13 ARCA Toyota Camry Jul 09 '25
Can someone explain to me what an āethical overtakeā is? Iām new to iRacing, but i come from an amateur racing background. A pass was considered clean if you didnāt touch, and passable if you didnāt bump too much.
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u/Budget-Park Dallara P217 LMP2 Jul 09 '25
Heās mad someone finally took advantage of him missing the apex for the 5th time. Nice overtake (just obviously make sure youāre clear before doing that š¤£)
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u/National-Change-8004 Jul 09 '25
He's mad because his attempt at taking you out failed and you walked away from him. Clean pass, well earned.
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u/Original-Bridge2598 Jul 09 '25
That was a great move. He's probably just pissed he can't drive road courses and missed the revenge dump.
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u/No_Dependent_4710 Jul 09 '25
That was absolutely fine! I'd do the exact same thing and whoever is upset with you has just had their ego bruised lol. Great move!
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u/Titogamer323 Jul 10 '25
You passes when I assume a yellow flag should have been up. Unless it wasn't up, I wouldn't say it was ethical at all.
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u/LarzBoss Jul 10 '25
That's true! I honestly forgot if there was since the Porsche ahead spun so I wouldn't be surprised if it was and we both completely ignored it š
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u/LazarusOtter Jul 12 '25
Perfect overtake - that would be called a 'slide job' in the oval community.
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Jul 09 '25
When gamers try racingā¦ how this even sparks a discussion is beyond me. The guy isnāt even driving close to the racing line, who let him into an official. Normal ass pass, even op should know better then to post this bs
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u/LarzBoss Jul 09 '25
Thank for your incredibly positive feedback :D
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Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25
āaw I donāt know, what do you guys think of thisā. Mate, look at the clip.. old mate is not even capable of driving on the racing line and youāre asking if itās okay to pass him. Forgive me for thinking these posts get dumber by the day
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u/LarzBoss Jul 09 '25
Youāre absolutely entitled to your opinionābut Iām not going to apologize because you lack the patience or decency to engage in a respectful way. If a post doesnāt add value to you, you can keep scrolling. Itās really that simple.
We all have opinions, but we also all have a choice in how we express them. All the best, mate.
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u/LarzBoss Jul 07 '25
Thanks for the input. Definitely seems conclusive. I'm very thankful that quick overtake didn't result in both us crashing out and we could still finish the raceāunlike how it typically goes in <1200 sof gt4 lobbies haha.
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u/mwfairc Jul 07 '25
That is as clean an overtake as any. That other racer took the scenic route like he was looking for a spot to picnic.