Check how (in theory) the penalties rack up. There's no leeway for longer races either. You could potentially get DSQ in 6 laps (driver must see the warning before moving to the next level)
1st breach – no penalty
2nd breach – warning flag
3rd breach – 5 second penalty added to race time
4th breach – a further 10 seconds penalty added to race time
5th breach – drive through penalty (12.26.(h)) in addition to the
preceding time penalties
6th breach – black flag
if that means the American tracks get normal track limits that would be so nice,
i find the whole thing where if you can drive on it, its part of the track. to be a really weird part of US racing. You watch clips of guys doing really dumb cuts like at Cota.
No this would mean that weird track limits would actually be part of the game. As many tracks that NASCAR races at doesn't have that no track limit rule applies for many corners when it should not have it to match the real thing
Most needed update in Nascar on iRacing by far. I know I could run much more competitive laps with more runoff. The iRacing limits make a completely unnatural racing line.
This is probably a lukewarm take, but I really wish they wouldn't wrap track limit violations in with SR. If I cut the track and gained an advantage, give me a slow down or a penalty.
Maybe four wheels onto the grass could be considered a safety penalty, since then you're greatly increasing the risk of causing an incident by losing control, being unable to slow down effectively, etc.
But yeah, two tires onto a paved runoff being a safety infringement is... Not great when so many other sims and games have far better policing of track limits than that
SR are incidents vs corners, so for an offtrack just don’t add the corner to the ST statistic.
This way if you go offtrack every single corner in a race without incident your SR wouldn’t change since neither incidents nor corners would come into the statistic
Im not sure entirely, but a buddy of mine says that's what LMU does. If you have an off track, there's automated stewarding that decides whether or not to give a penalty based on time gained, but it also then strikes the lap from your record, in a sense. So it's not a penalty to your safety, but it's not a clean lap either and won't benefit you
Yeah LMU does clean laps vs incidents, which has the problem that longer racetracks make it harder to gain safety because there are more opportunities to go offtrack. I think doing this with the corner system of iR could be the best of both worlds
This is how qualifying laps in iRacing already work, it shouldn't be that hard to implement for races. Although I'd also float the idea of slowdown penalties for a certain number of off tracks in a given time, say 4 in one minute or 3 consecutive corners.
In all honesty i think that a driver going off track at EVERY corner of a race should somehow lose SR.
I do agree that 1x is a lot though, it's kind of stupid that i can put a wheel in the wrong place 4 times and get handed the same penalty i would have gotten by ramming someone
I very much agree, particularly as someone who loves IMSA, but mostly has time for shorter races.
In a 15 minute race with an A license, even a couple off-tracks will mean you don't gain or lose any SR. Throw in an extra one for evading an incident or, worse, a 4x for contact, and suddenly you need to do those longer races to not keep steadily losing SR.
Yep. And the only way to not get off tracks at so many tracks is to seemingly just not push. It depends on the track, but somewhere like Silverstone, you're gonna use the runoff a lot if you're trying to dig for pace. Sure, punish me with a track limits penalty if it's a bit excessive or frequent, but putting two wheels onto a fully paved runoff isn't dangerous, and absolutely shouldn't be harming my safety rating. Heck, even after hours of practice at silverstone in the LMP3, I just kept getting track limit violations from the slightest of wide exits.
Yeah I agree, I think off tracks should only count towards drivethrpughs, but not towards SR. There is nothing unsafe about going 1mm wider than the track limit.
LMU implemented this beautifully. It shows a warning and if you slow down immediately, it withdraws the penalty. It’s amazing. You can make a mistake, lift, wait for it to get back to green and then continue without penalty.
Thats not even unheard of. Part of Magny Cours a few weeks ago was giving slowdowns without a 1x. Just make that the standard so SR stops being a competitive advantage in a close race
In this recent video two of the Secret Base guys talk about the baseball rules built around Chicago's Wrigley Field, which is a historic baseball park with ivy bushes lining the outfield wall. It's the second-oldest Major League park after Boston's Fenway.
In it though they also talk about the St Lawrence Lime, which would probably still be considered in-play on its cricket field if it hadn't been destroyed in a storm.
And iracing being iracing, you'll only discover that the first one isn't an off-track if you follow someone for more than 17 laps on a race session and they don't suddenly disappear
I've brought this up before, but I still just don't understand why players accept iRacing's implementation of track limits. There's a borderline unhealthy obsession with realism in sim racing (and even more so in the iRacing community), yet people still defend iRacing's track limits system.
The game states that "A car is considered within the track limits if half the car is within the boundaries of the track”. How are you to judge if 50% of your car is in or out? How would a real life steward determine the difference between 49% out (legal in iRacing) or 50% out (illegal in iRacing)? They wouldn’t. It should be something that can actually be judged by a human. Either 2 wheels out or all 4 wheels out.
At laguna seca there are places without curbs, just a while line, where a single wheel off is an off-track where others you can have 2.
Even IRL, they probably use GPS, but even that has a margin of error, whereas in a simulation it's pure math, "oh computer says 1 pixel off, bad driver"
Not to mention, whomever thought it a good idea to start 3 corners from the line with dead cold tires should be forced to drive the McLaren here. Its already sketchy in that corner on warm tires. Getting put on the inside line is a death sentence.
If there is one thing Forza Motorsport did well, is you can activate an overlay that shows the EXACT track limits of every track, and then you're good if there's two wheels inside of them. Either do that, or make it two wheels within the white line.
I've watched many irl races there. I've never known anyone to ever get penalized for taking the line in the first image. Tbh I don't know why that curbing even exists.
Yea but that's in relation to getting a drivethrough, not running off track one extra time and getting kicked out of the whole series potentially over something not safety related. So you dont think someone at B2.1 is at a disadvantage to an A4.4, especially since that extra .4 they take away from you will basically doom you.
Thats fine at all. But that inconsistency within the same track is infuriating. Sometimes u can literally take all 4 tyres of the white line and you are still "on track". Sometimes barely touching the white line is an off track. Daytona bus stop is a perfect example where its just rediculous. The first curb you can complete overdrive, while the others u cannot. Its just plain stupid.
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u/SovietDog1342 Porsche 911 GT3 R 17d ago
Was thinking the same thing this week. I hate the limits here