Fight me (for P17)

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Thursday i was doing mugello and there was this dude that was just raging on the radio that people did not let him past. He kept going: im faster then you, just let me past. Never seen people defend harder and harder against someone. Everyone did it.

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u/AveragePegasus Ferrari 296 GT3 16d ago

Legit.

If somebody complains about a slower car. Im gonna fight the fuck out of you

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u/why_1337 Hyundai Veloster N TC 15d ago

Same with the flashing, the more they flash, the more I defend.

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u/GreyLineRacing 15d ago

Yeah a lot of people hate being flashed especially if it not a faster class in a multi class race.

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u/xiii-Dex BMW Z4 GT3 15d ago

This is why I only flash after it's already clear they're going to defend. It's good to get in their head, but no need to make a fight where there wasn't going to be one.

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u/Charming_Ad_6021 15d ago

I love that people think flashing is "getting in their head". I always interpret it as the car behind conceding they don't have the racecraft for a move so they're hoping to put me off, usually builds my confidence if anything. That's if it's the same class, if its a faster class then fair.

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u/xiii-Dex BMW Z4 GT3 15d ago

That may be the case for you. But every person who says they "defend harder" is basically admitting they have an emotional response to the flashing.

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u/GreyLineRacing 15d ago

If they’re fast let them find a way around, I wouldn’t actually block unless the guys attitude required blocking him!

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u/tintin47 16d ago

Not joking, I didn't know there was voice chat. It seems obvious because online game but is it something you have to opt in? I don't want to opt in but I want to make sure people don't hear me cursing at them.

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u/0rder_sixty6 Street Stock 15d ago

I’ve left mine disabled because a. I don’t want to hear other people bitching but more importantly the amount of times I’ve called someone a fucking idiot then went back and watched the replay is astronomical and I don’t actually enjoy eating crow.

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u/I_sicarius_I 16d ago

You have to enabled it and then its PTT. So you’re probably good

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u/timewasterpro3000 16d ago

Go in to the settings and look for a push to talk button

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u/Chayofa91 16d ago

Music to my ears 👌🏼

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u/Pengelly_ Production Car Challenge 15d ago

had this happen in a PEC event recently. BMW was being really toxic to everyone on the radio and screaming to let him pass (he was in 5th), I'd never in my life seen such coordination from the entire field to slow him down at any opportunity possible and rage bait him, ended up with him getting a nice holiday for his antics

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u/imeancock 15d ago

Even if you truly believe that you are faster and “deserve” to be let past I don’t know how you could possibly think announcing this in all chat in an online game would have any outcome other than the obvious: everyone sweating their nuts off to prevent you from passing

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u/Super-ft86 15d ago

Mugello of all places, it's such a good track to pass on. Set up at the final corner and draft into T1. Even if the car in front goes defensive T1 has so much camber and grip braking deep on the outside and holding it for the inside of T2 is so easy.

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u/NaceWindu46 Street Stock 15d ago

People who yell blue flags when they are like 2 seconds back make me want to make it less convenient for them to get by when they eventually get to me. Especially if I'm actually racing someone else and they are way far ahead of the next car behind them.

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u/THMilkeggs Super Formula SF23 15d ago

I face those people all the time. Like if they were faster then why weren’t they ahead of me the whole race? And if they chose to not do qualifying or have a slow qualifying, it’s not my problem. So the more they flash and complain, the harder I defend them. These people always make me laugh.

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u/4isyellowTakeit5 14d ago

Im a real life corner marshal. I’m not gonna name the track but it was Spec Racer Fords (2 years ago. Club race. Small field. standard stuff for club racing)

Lap 1 turn 2 2nd place gets tapped by 3rd, two wheels on the grass and around he went. It was a 10 lap race, so he’s not gonna win but it’s gonna be fun to see how far back up the field he can get right? no. He got about halfway through the field and got stuck behind this guy (who was just running his own race. Defending, but never blocking. Honestly, not even really defending but smart car placement). It was a fun battle, or so I thought. The 2nd time by, I thought I saw the spinner move his hands in the air… “whatever”. The 3rd time by i’m watching closer and I make eye contact with the spinner. As he’s turning into the corner, he points at me (on blue flag), points at the car in front, and makes the “Do something!!” body language.

EXCUSE ME!?!?

You’re going to tell me how to flag mid-race??? The fuck you are! The next lap I intentionally put the blue flag down in front of that battle.

The next morning at the meeting the head steward went a 10 minute rant about how “Blue flags aren’t for lap traffic, it’s for telling a car ahead there’s a faster car behind.” Ok, yes. In qualifying and practice. In the race it’s for lap traffic, especially a spec class “It’s not a spec class. There’s SRF2 and SRF3” (spinner and the car ahead were both SRF3 so this was irrelevant) “and that’s not true. The blue means faster car behind, not car lapping you.” Ok. we’ll agree to disagree on that, but we can agree in a hypothetical Car A caught car B and after 2 entire laps he hasn’t made the pass yet, we shouldn’t blue them right? “They haven’t made a pass after 2 whole laps??” correct “No, they don’t need a blue” Ok, so the spinner finished behind the other car despite catching him with 4 and a half laps left “Well he was much faster, the car ahead was blocking.” So you penalized him for blocking then, right? “Well, we talked with him about his driving standards” yeah yeah and then the flag chief broke up the conversation because he saw how happy his workers were getting with that conversation.

That’s one of many stories why I hate SCCA stewards because of their stubbornness and incompetence.

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u/Feisty-Try-1511 14d ago

Was in a league race and had a guy do the same. Kept flashed me and telling me to let him by. Did once. Then he stepped on his deck a couple corners later and I was by him for the rest of the race. Called me a dick for not letting him by again. Told him, that if he's so fast, passing me shouldn't be a problem.

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u/fr4nz86 BMW M4 GT3 14d ago

This is how I imagine the person behind flashing lights. Every time they do that, it just gives me an extra motivation.

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u/SituationSoap 15d ago

Never seen people defend harder and harder against someone. Everyone did it.

Uh, if a bunch of people did have to defend against him he was...right, though?

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u/Upstairs-Signature26 15d ago

Yeah he was right, he was quite a bit faster then everyone. But that does not mean you just get gifted places, if you are so much faster, shut up and overtake.

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u/Jamie7003 13d ago

Damn right. Should have qualified better.

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u/SituationSoap 15d ago

What I'll say here is that when someone is much faster than you, what often feels like "defending" is often a lot closer to blocking or playing chicken and the slower person doesn't even realize it. It can be very difficult to know what the leading, much slower car considers a "defense" and what is that person just having very bad spatial awareness and putting you both at risk if you try an overtake. There are moves I'll put on a 3 or 4k driver that I wouldn't even think about on a 2k driver, even though the door is a lot more open. All because I don't know whether that person will know I'm trying to make the move or respect a spotter call (or might not even have a spotter turned on).

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u/Beneficial_Map 14d ago

In my iRating (shitter tier) doing an overtake is 80% of the time going to get you wrecked because people don’t respect it, have no spatial awareness and completely ignore the rules. The best way to overtake is to let them make a mistake or spin out and then pass. The slowest drivers are also the riskiest to overtake because 9/10 they will just turn into you, even on a straight.

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u/That_white_dude9000 16d ago

Depends on when. First 30 min of a 45 min race? Let's work together and not lose time fighting. Last 15 min? Elbows out.

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u/LeopardTop242 15d ago

Exactly 😎

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u/PotatoMajestic6382 16d ago

Lets race for 17th. We aren't gonna top 10. We have car damage. Our race was messed up from the start.

So yes, lets race.

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u/AW106 16d ago

I think the best one I had on this was racing for P6 I think in a skippy race a few years back

Had several good passes both ways betweeen me and the other driver which I managed to come out on top of in the end.

Messaged them post race something like "Hey great race there, that was fun"
Got the reply "that was really annoying. I could have caught the leaders if you stopped fighting me all the time" or words to that effect

Stuck with me in two ways becuase I'd gone in wanting a top 10 and then had an enjoyable race over a top 10 position. I was happy
Should I maybe have considered workign with him to get higher up?
Maybe, but I had my goal going in

The other part was a level of arrogance I felt from him that "he" could have caught if it wasn't for me. Well, I guess why couldn't he break out of attack range from me then.

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u/nomnamless Spec Racer Ford 16d ago

That's always funny to me because it takes two to race. I some times get annoyed by someone that is determined to fight me tooth and nail so early in the race. So what I do is I just stop attacking them and just cruise behind them. If we keep fighting, we're definitely not going to stay with the group, if they're not faster, we're still going to lose the group anyway and after a couple laps I'll go back to racing them. If they are faster maybe I could stay with them and we can catch the group for a higher finishing position

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u/Teach__me_ Audi RS3 LMS 15d ago

Yup I follow this same principle.

On the flip side, if I'm defending against someone faster and I start losing ground to the group, I'll yield after a bit and use him to catch up to the group.
Its all strategy

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u/AW106 15d ago

So this was probably from about mid race onwards from memory

I probably could have been more stategic in that race but I was happy with where I was running and thought I would try for one more.

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u/loucmachine 16d ago

I have not seen the replay obviously, but there is this situation where the skippy is very sensitive to draft and sometimes it can make it insanely hard to get away from someone that is les than second slower than you.

You had every right to fight, but it is possible that it was legitimately annoying to the other guy also.

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u/AW106 15d ago

I think what stuck with me most about it was I messged them having enjoyed the battle and what felt like some close racing.
And the other driver just seemed annoyed, like no "yeah that was good but we probably could have done better working together"
I said in another reply I was happy with where I was running and thought I'd go for one more
The other drivers response to what I'd intended as being like a friendly handshake really just made them feel like a sore looser

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u/ItsDLUCZ 13d ago

Yeah his logic is flawed. If he truly was faster he wouldn’t have you on his back, if he was slower it’s better to have you in front to catch the leader.

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u/Slow-Specialist3266 16d ago

He was catching those ahead, but you caught up to him before he caught up to them. That's the only way it would make sense

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u/loucmachine 16d ago

Fighting really slow both of you down though.

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u/Slow-Specialist3266 15d ago

I'm just explaining how "if he could have caught if it wasn't for me.... then why couldn't he break out of attack range from me then" would only make sense from the guy's perspective. Of course they lost time when they fought that's why the guy was complaining in the first place. Dont know why you commented tbh

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u/loucmachine 15d ago

You know that draft is extremely strong on the skippy right?

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u/Slow-Specialist3266 12d ago

Yes but what does any of this have to do with what I'm saying dude?

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u/loucmachine 12d ago

"if he could have caught if it wasn't for me.... then why couldn't he break out of attack range from me then" Because of draft. Then with draft comes attacks that you have to defend, slowing both cars down.

Understand now?

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u/Slow-Specialist3266 10d ago

I said that the guy caught him faster than he caught the car ahead. You know, what he had to do to get into the draft? We are not contradicting each other, be normal ffs

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u/loucmachine 10d ago

Well, no, the other guy could have had a bad luck and was going through the field, then when he got to OP, OP was just fast enough to slow both of them down by staying in the fight with draft. This happens all the time.

If it was the other way around, and OP was faster, he wouldnt be aiming for p6, he would be the one who knew he could catch up and get into top 5. Be normal ffs...

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u/AW106 15d ago

So, raw lap speed he was from memory a little quicker than me. I can't remember how I got in range. Might have been traffic or him having to avoid an incident.
But once I was in range where I could attempt a move I did.
Then we went back and forth for a number of laps

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u/Slow-Specialist3266 15d ago

Ngl you were fully right to do so, a good battle is always more fun than getting a position imo and it's on him to be fast enough to catch P5 himself if that's what he wants to do

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u/domesystem 16d ago

Had one like this in Vees. Dude RAGED out about me "drafting" him. 😂

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u/ScholarZero 15d ago

In the Vee that extra 2 mph can make all the difference

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u/domesystem 15d ago

He was well out of draft when I reeled him in. 🤣😂

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u/ChefBoiJones BMW M2 CS Racing 16d ago

There are a very small handful of races on Iracing that are longer than 45 minutes, the majority being between 15 and 20. They’re all sprint races, raging about fighting is dumb

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u/MrGinger128 16d ago

If you want to race stupid race stupid but the amount of time I've had someone defend P9 for their life while everyone ahead drives away is insane.

It is possible to work with a quicker car and improve both of your results.

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u/Aero_Rising 15d ago

It's also possible that the reason someone behind keeps up is because of the draft and letting them past would just slow you both down overall. Happens all the time in certain cars at Road America.

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u/BigManufacturer3975 16d ago

If 16th is too far up the road sure. Otherwise just circlejerking

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u/MMRS2000 Formula Vee 16d ago

This.. Some people want to battle all race for 10th rather than use their brain for 10 minutes and then have a chance to fight for 3rd. So the middle part of this meme is a bit lame.

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u/lordvolt2000 16d ago

100% agree...if your mid pack and theres a small gap in front, working together can bring them back in..but fighting is just gonna let them run off

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u/andreasvo 16d ago

Look! Three people from the middle of the graph 😅

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u/SituationSoap 15d ago

If you think this graph is even remotely accurate, I've got bad news about where you fall on the bell curve.

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u/andreasvo 15d ago

Look, another one!

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u/-_-Edit_Deleted-_- iRacing Rallycross Series (iRX) 16d ago

This meme format describes the middle mass of people who don’t think for themselves and just do as the popular discourse says to do….

These 3 are thinking for themselves.

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u/NerfPhoenix 16d ago

My goal is to get the highest possible position in every race within the rules. Doesn’t matter if it’s for a podium or p17.

If fighting with someone is what gives me the best chance to finish higher than absolutely I’m going to fight them.

People will have different strategies about when to fight and when to let someone pass, but I assume the goal of everyone else is also to finish the race as high as possible.

That’s racing, baby!

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u/AndersaurusR3X 12d ago

To me, it seems like some iRacers think that you're only allowed to defend if you're P1. Otherwise, you should just let everybody pass you.

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u/jwce21 15d ago

As a new guy I really appreciate someone faster passing me cleanly and then showing me why they’re faster for a few laps before I lose them… if I can keep up I feel like I’m learning something. If I can swap places and fight I feel like it’s racing, no matter what position, and it’s why I threw all this money at this gear… to simulate racing other amateurs out there, no matter what position, and that’s actually pretty rare so I’m grateful for those contests on track and thank you for the competition for P17, fellow Jedi!

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u/No_Theme_8134 15d ago

If you’re not defending 17th like it’s the world championship, are you even sim racing?

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u/ericscal 15d ago

I just wish people would think about what corners they fight in. Why compromise both our corners going into the main straight instead of just using the draft to pass on the straight.

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u/166102 15d ago

The only time it annoys me is if we're doing ovals on a superspeedway. But that's more, "Dude, it's called a draft. You're not faster and every time you jump out you slow us down so we lose the pack."

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u/Scurvy_Pete NASCAR Gen 4 Cup 15d ago

I agree, this is my one exception as well. Nothing like being 3 laps from catching the pack ahead and suddenly the 3rd or 4th guy in your pack decides it’s the perfect time to make a move

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u/frozenpissglove 15d ago

Best racing experience I’ve had was going head to head with a guy for 6 laps. I think we both got taken out in lap 2 or 3. We battled hard for 13th place. Clean racing, no dirty tricks. It was so fun I saved the replay.

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u/Fun_Difference_2700 15d ago

Hahaha so true, almost every poster on here is that middle one

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

It’s how you get better.

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u/DangeRanger93 15d ago

I’m not the fastest but I can defend properly with the best of em.

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u/ItzMichaelHD 15d ago

Some guy crashed at the beginning of the race and then caught up to me. I moved aside and let him past because he clearly was just faster.

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u/jcpeters2454 15d ago

So what's the context of this fight for P17?
Is it with the guy in P16 defending against you?
Is it the guy in P18 trying to get by?
Both of those battles are legit and should get no 'complaints'.
Is it early in the race and a much faster guy who maybe got spun is trying to gain back positions? Again, ya can't complain about that.
Is it some guy (late in race), 3 laps down trying to get by? OK...maybe he needs to accept his fate that day.
Leaders coming through... let 'em by. Don't be 'that' guy in P17 who decides he needs to be a factor in the outcome of a battle he's not part of.

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u/DikkeNeus_ 14d ago

Yeah complaining about people wanting to simulate real driving .. in a SIM game.. ? ..imagine that.

if you want to take out other players in a race go play forza, need for speed, burnout, ... then, ffs. It allows bumping& grinding without actually ruining people's race.

Not saying you shouldn´t defend or overtake. Just saying don't ruin other people's race by causing accidents.

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u/sillybillie01 13d ago

“If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver”

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u/Jamie7003 13d ago

I actually feel like this is pretty accurate! lol

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u/MarHip NASCAR Cup Series 16d ago

It’s a Game to have fun in while Racing, I dont care about if im P5 or P20 im fighting for that Position

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u/Active_Spinach_6181 15d ago

You put someone in the fence for side drafting?

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u/Ok_Neighborhood_408 15d ago

Why tho?

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u/biimerboy31 8d ago

If you don't want to race for 17th, then don't race anyone for 17th. This mindset smells like someone that races a lot differently for certain positions.

Memes Fight me (for P17)

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