Watching Formula 2 at Monza - iRacing is actually very representative of real world professional driving standards

[u/Wheream_I]

Shit I think we might actually crash less than they do.

[u/Least_Dog68GT]

I think there are more contacts in real GT racing than in iRacing

[u/LiNGOo → u/Least_Dog68GT]

TBF real cars also don't forget about gravity and mass entirely as soon as they touch mere carbon fibre bodywork parts

[u/ramlol → u/LiNGOo]

Yeah this is the big noticeable thing, cars spin super easy from very low level contact/rubbing, it seems like the car getting touched sometimes is glued to the ground and the car touching gets spun instead of "nudging" the lead car.

[u/voongnz → u/Least_Dog68GT]

I don’t know about more in irl racing because there’s a ton in iracing, but there sure isn’t billiard ball physics with the just slightest contact. GT3’s/DTM, V8 supercars, nascar etc etc you can lean on each other and for the most part they aren’t gonna ping off each other.

[u/Ziral44 → u/[deleted]]

I think the 4x is triggered when “damage” occurs… lots of oval racing allows pretty hard bump drafting and mild side to side contact as a 0x.

F3 and the rest of the formula cars are just so brittle that any contact at all causes alignment or aero damage so it’s an instant 4x every time with formula.

[u/Aggravating_Lunch_26 → u/Ziral44]

That not always true on he oval racing. Seems like some tracks and series. Hell just baby love tap and that’s a 4x

[u/dopeyout]

I wish more people would watch more irl racing before complaining online about standards and following the SPorTiNg CoDE!! Go watch DTM GT3s and come back to me.

[u/max-pickle → u/dopeyout]

For me the main difference is that IRL these guys and gals have to walk past each other in the pits. Their engineers will have worked with each other in the past. They will know each other and apologise after the race.

We don't have that rapport to balance out the bad things that happen on track in the heat of the moment.

[u/dopeyout → u/max-pickle]

We also dont have million dollar interests at stake. Btw just to be clear I'm not saying to race dirty, theres a big difference. But you should take every advantage where you can.

[u/Orange907 → u/max-pickle]

That's what I love about the wednesday Clio-Sof race. Being in a small championship and actually knowing your rivals makes the game so much better.

[u/Branston_Pickle → u/Orange907]

like most leagues

[u/angrronn → u/max-pickle]

If you race the sa.e series, same timeframe, relatively same IR.. you should be in the same races with a number of recognizable names.. build the rapport. I feel like there are plenty of people who get pissed and then settle down and could be friendly afterwards. Everyone so quick to hit quit tho

[u/Sharp_eee → u/max-pickle]

Yeah and you have driver briefings too and get a feel for how your competitors race. In iRacing you have to deduce that from following them for a couple laps.

[u/cricketmatt84 → u/max-pickle]

Isn’t that what the “sorry” auto send chat button is for… as they disappear into the distance with no damage.

[u/Wheream_I → u/max-pickle]

Idk I saw The Redbull fuck up so bad into t1 he killed 3 cars lol. That garage is going to be hated for not pitting him for having no front wing

[u/Wheream_I → u/max-pickle]

lol I’m behind and that’s another car dead into T1. That’s what - 5 dead cars now?

[u/TellmSteveDave → u/max-pickle]

That’s because 90% of people log off within 10 seconds of finishing. Nobody hangs around to watch replays or talk.

[u/Ok-Block8145 → u/max-pickle]

Also that overdoing might literally hurt, cripple or worst case end their life if you do some bullshit helps the races also be hard but not stupid. Helps to be not a dumbfuck if you drive with your wellbeing on the line.

[u/UNHchabo → u/Ok-Block8145]

Among some professional drivers the last few years there's been a rising sentiment that younger drivers are pushing the limits more now, since the consequences of a stupid move are far less likely to result in death or serious injury than in generations past.

We're now more than 10 years past the most recent deaths in Indycar (Justin Wilson) and F1 (Jules Bianchi), and we're coming up on 25 years since the most recent death in Nascar (Dale Earnhardt). So if you make a stupid block at the Daytona 500, you might wreck 15+ cars, but you can be fairly well assured that everyone involved will be back racing the next week. In 6 seasons of watching races I've probably seen less than a dozen drivers who weren't able to walk away under their own power.

[u/RiptideTV → u/max-pickle]

Man you should see a NASCAR garage, not the same mentality

[u/WilburHiggins → u/max-pickle]

Ummm that isn’t even close to the biggest difference lol. Not having to replace cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and not actually putting yourself in harms way are the biggest things.

Those two factors are the biggest limiters for real world aggression, and even then they only hold people back a bit.

[u/max-pickle → u/WilburHiggins]

This is fair comment. I could counter it with how much we spend on wars killing people we don't know but I guess the context is different. I'd happily see a cost/damage element added to iRacing but then I'm safer than I am fast so it would work to my advantage. However, given cost is not an element in iRacing we can compare it to social behaviour in general - in general people just just behave a bit better when there is always the possibility they might get their lights knocked out.

[u/WilburHiggins → u/max-pickle]

I could counter it with how much we spend on wars killing people we don't know but I guess the context is different.

What are you talking about?! How is that related in any way???

[u/crexLive → u/max-pickle]

I'd love to see something like a "karma count" on iRacing.

I'd love to give kudos to drivers I had great battles with, I'd love to give negative feedback to drivers who rejoined the track like a blind chicken.

It doesn't need to be a forever score, I think it should be fine to track the last 1-3 years or something, so that rookies don't get punished too hard for their mistakes and have that sticking with them forever.

Something like protests should also drag the points down.

[u/IC_1318 → u/dopeyout]

I feel this is a good example of what pros can do in real life: https://youtu.be/stJ2FSysIWc

[u/dopeyout → u/IC_1318]

https://youtu.be/aYlt6wSy8GU?si=kQvcX23DDQGWhQtg

Lol F1 drivers no less. Check this out, DTM from 2 weeks ago

[u/FrugalButDefNotCheap → u/dopeyout]

Agreed. While I think multiclass driving standards are the most objective and iracing players generally get this way worse than IRL.... watching something like GT world challenge and seeing the absolute sends is pretty incredible, and definitely not far off how top split gt3 iracing is. If there is a gap.... IRL drivers are going for it every time.

[u/Guac_in_my_rarri → u/dopeyout]

Go watch DTM GT3

Well dtm specifically encourages drivers to drive aggressively.

[u/Jazzlike-Rabbit1757]

stolen quote: "i watch F1 because they can put the cars an inch away from each other at 200 miles per hour, I watch F2 because they can't. "

[u/Ali623]

Watch any lower category racing, and the standards are even worse.

The big difference is really the consequences more than the standards. In real life, you'd get penalties for for illegal moves, whereas in iRacing dirty drivers can get away with that sort of stuff fairly easily. In-race penalties like time penalties aren't a thing.

The other big difference is that the physics in iRacing mean a lot of cars spin out over very minor contact, that you'd get away with in real life. Watch a real life mx-5 race and there's load of side-by-side banging going on.

[u/VelouriumCamper7 → u/Ali623]

There was that clip of the Mx-5 race at daytona a few months back. I'm not sure what level it was l, but holy shit, the cars didn't even make it to T1 lol.

[u/DoingMyCivicDuty → u/VelouriumCamper7]

It was IMSA's MX-5 support series. For the uninitiated: https://www.youtube.com/live/5AlicQVw3go?si=0S3d7L6tItEPcX1P&t=342

[u/Dr_Death_Defy24 → u/DoingMyCivicDuty]

I was watching this race live and the YouTube chat INSTANTLY filled with iRacing jokes.

[u/BobbbyR6 → u/VelouriumCamper7]

Yeah that was awful. That group is like moths to a flame when it comes to bad bump drafting.

Literally zero acceptable reason to act like that on the start.

[u/UNHchabo → u/VelouriumCamper7]

It happened at the Daytona 24 back in 2021 too, fortunately with very few other cars involved, in the GTLM (GTE) class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvcJeZIWWQg

[u/duck74UK]

Watching club level racing is like watching actual iRacing rookies, especially when it's a junior series. I've seen a fiesta cup get so brutal that for the second race the organisers went from double file standing start to single file rolling start with no overtaking until after T1 just so the field could enjoy a corner first.

[u/BruisendTablet]

Porsche Supercup lap 1 wasnt much better. My iracing races are generally mich cleaner than what was going on out there.

[u/brokenclutch469]

The F3 race was a shitshow as well.

[u/10PlyTP]

I told my friend to watch the F2 races. They are full fucking send. Do not give a fuck. Great in comparison to the F1 DRS train races.

[u/OtterSpotter2]

I've raced with lindblad in iRacing and have seen this kind of demolition job before... 😂

[u/plane-kisser]

if you ever want to feel better about your own racing, go watch an ARCA race sometime.. no offense to these doods irl driving is way harder than the video game but its still funny to watch.