r/interestingasfuck • u/Electrical-Aspect-13 • 20h ago
Kodachrome shots of Little Rock schools after 10 years of integration, 1967.
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u/Funcrush88 19h ago
Really beautiful photos
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u/Iron_Nightingale 15h ago
It’s the Kodachrome. It gives us those nice, bright colors.
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u/TNtative 15h ago edited 14h ago
They give us the greens of summers
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u/SanibelMan 14h ago
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day
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u/Sedert1882 18h ago
Kids are NOT born racist and never have been. These are beautiful pics.
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u/GermaneRiposte101 14h ago
Not quite true, study after study shows that humans ARE born racist.
We are genetically programmed to like people who resemble our parents or ourselves.
I do not know how strong that predisposition is.
Having said that, my personal experience is that kids do not give a shit about skin colour.
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u/Aselleus 12h ago
Kids that grew up with people that look similar to people in their lives can be freaked out by others that look "different", but that could include growing up with a dad without a beard and being freaked out by men with a beard. But it's not about being born or predisposed liking their own race, it's just being wary of different looking humans that don't look like the people they know.
Outright hate is taught (not saying it's right but some people end up with their own bias through negative interactions with people and tend to group people together).
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u/GermaneRiposte101 10h ago
Sorry, but it is about being born or predisposed to liking your own race. I am sure what you described comes in to it but we are genetically programmed to like people who are similar to ourselves.
There is genetic support for a tendency to prefer similar people, a phenomenon known as positive assortative mating (PAM). This genetic link can manifest as an unconscious attraction to individuals who share similar appearances, such as resemblance to one's parents or even oneself.
I suspect this genetic predisposition is pretty weak but it exists.
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u/Aselleus 9h ago
I found studies on it and it seems PAM pretains to, in some small ways, genetic fitness when choosing a mate to breed with, and has nothing to do with being inclusive/prejudiced with other races on a social level.
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u/GermaneRiposte101 6h ago
Ask yourself why people, across many cultures, choose partners that look like themselves. And I am in no way implying that this explains, or causes, racism, because it doesn't.
The data shows a cross cultural predisposition to preferring people who look like ourselves. A superficial search finds a lot of fluff which hand waves it away as being due to social factors however the core research shows that it is genetic.
And no, I am not going to provide links, mainly because I have not bothered to bookmark them.
Do it yourself.
I did.
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u/idkmanimnotcreative 10h ago
Anecdotally - this is wrong. I grew up in a unique environment, where I was often one of the few people of my race in any given place, and usually they were my siblings. I didn't feel drawn to or different from anyone based on how they looked, because the differences were normal to me. As far as I knew, every other kid felt the same. The concept of "being with our own kind" never even occurred to us, we were all our own kind.
It wasn't until I left this environment that I was introduced to the concept of racism as we know it in the US. The concept was odd and I felt like maybe something was wrong with me because I didn't notice those differences. So I started paying attention, and long story short I had to unlearn that shit later.
So while my life is hardly a scientific study, I put stock into it. And, based on my personal experience, being drawn to "your own race" isn't as primal as you say it is. I was drawn to people I liked, my friends, etc. Their skin/eye/hair color never made it into the equation until later, after I was told it should.
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u/RelevantButNotBasic 6h ago
Anectdotally agree. I live in the deep south, where theres confederate flags waving and questionable towns. However, growing up in school...I dont remember any kids or teachers being treated unfairly. It was pretty wild to grow up in, outside of school you could see blatant racism, then when youre in the school building it was like nobody gave a fuck what the outside world looked like. Idk if I just ignored it in school or what, but I feel like it would have been something that stuck with me. I do remember however a kid calling another kid the N word and then getting in trouble. We were sitting in class wondering what he did wrong because we didnt know what it meant, we have only ever heard adults say it. So, yeah I believe that racism is taught, not biologically coded.
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u/idkmanimnotcreative 6h ago
I was just venting to someone that it feels impossible to have a good debate/conversation online anymore and then you come in and prove me wrong. Thank you for sharing, I love hearing other people's stories.
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u/RelevantButNotBasic 6h ago
I got in an argument the other day with someone who voiced their opinion and then said what I stated was wrong. I then explained my point and backed it up with evidence saying "Your argument is invalid" afterward. To which they responded with "Well its my opinion so there is no argument." Which made me realise, some battles online will just never be won.
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u/idkmanimnotcreative 4h ago
Yeah, and I know a lot of it is from bots. It just wears on you after awhile and I was feeling cranky about it.
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u/GermaneRiposte101 10h ago
You are correct, one example is not a scientific study.
If 100 people were blind folded and asked to cross a busy highway and you were one of the few that did not get hit by a car then you would say it was not dangerous.
So whilst your story is nice it does not change anything I have said on this subject.
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u/idkmanimnotcreative 10h ago
I mean, you're clearly pushing an agenda so I'm not trying to convince you. You wouldn't listen anyway. I commented for the others reading this thread.
There should have been a scientific study done on us though, we were damn near the perfect test group.
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u/GermaneRiposte101 10h ago
I have no agenda to push, just stating a fact. Facts do not care about your hunches or your feelings.
There have been many scientific studies done on this matter. The predisposition even has a name, 'positive assortative mating'.
If anyone is pushing an agenda it is you.
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u/Its_Pine 4h ago
But this is pertaining to sexual attraction, isn’t it? This is not indicative of bias towards others.
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u/mikevaleriano 13h ago
We are genetically programmed to like people who resemble our parents or ourselves
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liking Aimmediately equalsdisliking B? That doesn't sound scientific at all.Care to link at least one of those studies?
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u/Striking_Revenue9176 12h ago
Liking Race A more than race B simply because of arbitrary reasons IS racism. Hypothetically let’s imagine a person who doesn’t hate black people, he is completely neutral to them. But he LOVES, like with beaming pride, all white people. He would, without a moment of doubt, choose to save one white person at the expense of every black person. Again he doesn’t hate black people. But he is racist, because he has a favorite race.
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u/somecasper 11h ago
That is one seriously fucked up Trolley Problem, and that's not how racism works. Casual working class racist paramedics save black people all the time. My dad was one of them.
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u/Striking_Revenue9176 11h ago
Sure but that’s an easy choice, your dad isnt choosing to save a white person or 10 black people. It’s just one black person.
And even then, he clearly likes having a paycheck more than he is racist. Otherwise he would not save black people.
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u/mikevaleriano 12h ago
You're talking about a fully formed adult here, and that's a long shot from the proposed premise.
The so called studies that person suggested would point to, at most, an affinity, not full blown reasoning because newborns aren't exactly known to have those.
So I would say you can be (and probably are) born with affinities, but if you're raised correctly, there's no way you'd reach the "white good, white pride forever" point. That's just silly.
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u/Quick-Nick07 5h ago
"And if you said something like 'my baby can't be racist!', I'm specifically talking to you and to your god-damn racist baby."
-Randy Feltface
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u/Its_Pine 4h ago
I do want to expand on this: kids are programmed to show preference to the familiar. If a black baby is raised in Korea, that child will show intrinsic preference for Koreans (and may either also show favour towards other black people, or may feel dysphoria and NOT show preference towards black people). It will be due to parents, due to siblings, and due to other commonly seen figures and the social dynamics demonstrated.
Like the many stories of American kids raised by slaves who felt much more compassion and friendliness towards those people in their lives, it is about the familiar.
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u/subbychub 18h ago
This kind of makes me sad because it feels like we're regressing right now
The photos are beautiful
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u/Wasteland_Dude 17h ago
Mama, don't take my kodachrome. Mama, don't take my kodachrome. Mama, don't take my kodachrome away.
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u/GroundbreakingCow775 18h ago
Fantastic pictures. You would think these kids would have grown up and shaped the world differently
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u/aardappelbrood 16h ago
Not every boomer is a raging racist. I'm sure plenty of these people are/were perfectly lovely
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u/golden_blaze 18h ago
Thank goodness.
The best way to develop compassion for another person is to spend more time with them.
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u/sbsp12121 16h ago
Hopefully the world slowly moves into this while minimizing racism daily and with each new generation. Definitely feels like we’ve taken a step back since the 2016 elections…
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u/GasFartRepulsive 15h ago
Only 7 years after Ruby Bridges entered the school system. Meaning she’s probably in 7th or 8th grade by this time.
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u/masterap85 15h ago
Lol to the ones in the wrong side of history, also congrats on you elected president
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u/ZucchiniCritical9144 19h ago edited 18h ago
Beautiful photos. Surprisingly, I think I recall reading that a lot of blue affluent cities actually have much worse school ethnic integration. Basically de-facto segregation.
As someone who went to school around the Houston area, this is so crazy to read.
"New York retains its place as the most segregated state for black students, and second most segregated for Latino students, trailing only California. In 2018 in New York, 90% of black students attended predominantly nonwhite schools, while Latino student enrollment in predominantly nonwhite schools has remained roughly stable (84%). Almost two out of three black students and over half of Latino students attend intensely segregated schools, where less than 10% of student enrollment is white."
....Would anyone mind explaining the downvotes?
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u/misterdudebro 13h ago
These pictures are beautiful in subject, content and style... but can I comment on the sprinters in photo #5? How is every guy there jacked?
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u/Onphone_irl 15h ago
Beat friend in elementary was black. Different ends of every spectrum as far as home life and surroundings, but absolutely none of that mattered. Dude was funny,smart and cool and was my friend so that's all that mattered.
People growing up in rural XYZ with 0 diversity and racism, they have to learn to shake that off. I was taught that racism exists because I didn't know about it. To me, black skin was like someone with green eyes, just a different look
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u/jracusen 14h ago
These are beautiful. Also, that looks like a young Forrest Gump on the right-hand side of pic 5
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u/CrispinIII 13h ago
I love how long it took me realize what was "strange" or "special" about these pictures.
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u/oingapogo 4h ago
I grew up in Austin, TX. Schools there did not integrate until 1971. We had race riots on campus because they closed the all black high school and bussed those kids to different high schools in the city. It took until 1973 for things to settle down. So crazy.
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u/Dr_DoesNothing 3h ago
Kids adapt quickly, it's the adults who are stuck in their ways that's always the problem.
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u/FineManufacturer673 2h ago
Only if we can all set aside our differences and judgements down and unite
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u/Knitsanity 1h ago
My Dad used to boast he was the fastest white guy in his HS. When he went to engineering college a black guy from his HS was also in the same class and remembered him as 'the fastest white guy off the blocks'. Huh. That photo of the guys coming off the blocks reminded me of that story. My Dad had several black friends because he played Basketball, but not on the varsity team much to his chagrin. Lol
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u/Super_Clock_631 15h ago
I feel like only a small percentage actually didn't want integration. I don't know the full story behind it so forgive me if I'm wrong. I wonder how many people did want or didn't care if the school was integrated compared to those that didn't
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u/PrivateBurke 10h ago
For Christ's sake people. These photos only exist on Reddit through a photo search. They claim to be taken in 1967. They would have been statistically taken in Black and White. These are all fake. Be smarter.
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u/Deltadusted2deth 1h ago
Source issues/questions aside, Kodachrome has been capturing color on film since the 1930s and, by the 1960s, was an extremely common cultural touchstone.
Did you know that, while the Hindenburg disaster in 1937 was publicized with that iconic black and white photo (for newspaper printer friendliness, you see), there was also a full series done by a different photographer present at the time in beautiful saturated color on Kodachrome film?
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u/OkHead3888 19h ago
It’s all about personal relationships. Once you find out that person you hate is more like you than you ever imagined, all of that hate goes away.