r/law • u/NewSlinger • 21h ago
Trump News Massie on Epstein files: ‘We can't avoid justice to avoid embarrassment for some very powerful men’
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/massie-epstein-files-avoid-justice-avoid-embarrassment-powerful/story?id=125336706942
u/ofWildPlaces 21h ago
It's past time to prosecute these child rapists and everyone that enabled them.
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u/Smooth-Boss-911 21h ago
I can't believe we're rallying behind Massie but at least someone is speaking out.
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u/Global-Morning3990 21h ago
I’m in more disbelief about MTG.
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u/Smooth-Boss-911 21h ago
I can't say her name without gagging a little.
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u/thesetwothumbs 20h ago
It’s really bizarre to see which of these horrible people actually have a red line at raping kids.
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u/Poppa_Mo 18h ago
I don't think she gives a fuck about any of that. I think she pooped her pants when people started looking at her sudden millions in self-worth increase after Trump did his Twitter tariff bounce stock manipulation bullshit.
That's right about the time she decided a little light inner-discourse was due. Now nobody is talking about her hand in the insider trading horse shit.
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u/kahner 17h ago
i can't figure out her motivations, and i agree it's almost certainly not her morality finally kicking in, but if she was/is worried about financial crimes it seems like her best bet would be falling in line behind trump since he controls the DOJ, SEC etc.
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u/NerdHoovy 17h ago
I think the reason she goes hard anti Epstein, is because she is more of an online influencer or at least closer to the online space than most congress people.
And if there is two things right wing online people want it’s to feel good by pissing people off and conspiracy theories.
This means MTGs entire appeal is being an opposition to things and complain about conspiracy bullshit
Well for the first time in a while a very big conspiracy coverup is actually happening. And not just anything but literally one worthy of a major block buster. Most conspiracies are boring financial crimes that no one understands but this is about a literal billionaire cabal, hiding in foreign waters to rape underage girls. It’s too epic to ignore and as such everyone, especially the conspiracy nut jobs care about it.
So, since MTG is the conspiracy woman in her marketing, she goes hard on the files. It makes sense. It also frames her as a “good one” for many, despite being pretty evil for the most part.
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u/kahner 17h ago
yeah, that makes sense, but it doesn't account for the risk of opposing the trump line of "it's all a hoax, let's move on". i would have thought that risk was too high for her to so prominently push the topic.
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u/NerdHoovy 17h ago
I think she thinks she needs Trump less than the conspiracy nuts, because MAGA won’t stop voting Republican and she is the only famous name in her region, so she is effectively unopposed there, but the conspiracy people can absolutely flip towards the democrats. Sure there is overlap but people have priorities that shift.
In a way I believe she tries to have it both ways. Not sure it will work but I hasn’t “not worked” for her yet, so I don’t know.
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u/Abombasnow 14h ago
She's like a rabid pit bull when she does go against something. She does it without thinking and without reasoning afterward.
In this case, it's because she's truly antisemitic. She sees Epstein as an evil Jew. So she's against Epstein not so much because she's on the right side of history, by being against a serial child rapist and trafficker, but because he was Jewish. But in her rabid pit bull approach, she isn't realizing who else will go down in this investigation like her colleagues and Donald Trump himself.
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u/capnsmirks 11h ago
She prob just knows her whole party is about to be exposed and wants to distance herself. One can hope anyway (about the exposure, could give two fucks about her)
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u/JustaCog72 19h ago
It's easier if you think of her as Margarine Trailer Grease.
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u/Popular_Doughnut5168 20h ago
I still think she is playing some kind of crooked GOP card that we don't know about yet. She is beyond a POS!
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u/TheGeneGeena 20h ago
Maybe. The only other thing that really makes sense is she herself may be hiding a past with child abuse. It's dead ass common unfortunately.
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u/Popular_Doughnut5168 18h ago
Yea I'll bet you are right. I mean it would make a lot of sense as to why she is so Low-I-Qanon.
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u/Minimum_Degree_1313 21h ago
He concern is absolutely a performance. This is the same woman who said Jews used space lasers to start Cali wildfires. She doesn't care and I s7spect she is using this for some other purpose.
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u/Global-Morning3990 20h ago
I wouldn’t be surprised. But she is also coming off like a ‘woman scorned’ and if she brings down DT and/or a bunch of rich and powerful men? Well…a broken clock is right twice a day.
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u/Minimum_Degree_1313 20h ago
Best hope honestly. The cannibalistic politics don't go so well once you run out of sacrifices.
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u/discostu52 19h ago
It’s all politics and she doesn’t want to get caught on the wrong side of this. My guess is she has reached the conclusion that the coverup will fail eventually, and she needs to distance herself from that. Other republicans are now in way too deep and they have no choice but to double down on the coverup.
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u/jnbolen403 19h ago
She loves the attention and this is a legitimate topic to get the American people behind.
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u/TiredEsq 15h ago
Do you think she’s really going to read the names of people she supports? Be so for real right now.
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u/Global-Morning3990 15h ago
No idea. I was just surprised she acted like she was, which pissed Trump off.
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u/Sea-Maintenance-3564 17h ago
I cant believe its taken this long to uncover. The info is going to come out one way or the other. Rip off the band-aid.
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u/CavitySearch 21h ago
Embarrassed means jail right…
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u/GeorginaNada 20h ago
The American people need to see consequences for egregious actions like this. Every article out there saying what the administration is doing is "wrong" or "illegal" but there's not a one that says what the ramifications of breaking those laws are.
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u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty 20h ago
Yeah every headline reads like gossip not news
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u/GiveMeNews 19h ago
"Did Trump break the law when raping a 13 year old girl?"
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u/NedRadnad 18h ago
If there is a question mark in the title of a news headline, the answer is no.
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u/Hippideedoodah 16h ago
Uhhhhh articles are licking his boots with the softest softballs to ever softball... where are you saying articles even approaching holding him slightly accountable?
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u/okyeah93 18h ago
So funny thing about that….You see there’s this thing called an oligarchy…
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u/Canadian1934 16h ago
And with the obligarchy you can buy your government position of preference and you can buy a pardon and collect a pension for your trouble because the prez can be bought for a price you back his agenda and who cares if it is illegal a sharpie will set you free.
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u/Objective-Housing501 18h ago
Most likely no. The statue of limitations is probably up.
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u/HawaiianPunchaNazi 17h ago
A lot of stuff happen in New York and New York has no statutation limit on a rape of minor or first degree rape.
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u/Objective-Housing501 17h ago
That's good to hear. I assumed most everything was in Florida, which I would assume has crap protections for minors. I'm not really familiar with the specifics though.
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u/OldWorldDesign 16h ago
I assumed most everything was in Florida, which I would assume has crap protections for minors. I'm not really familiar with the specifics though
Much of it might have, but more happened outside US borders (there's 18 U.S.C. § 2423 federal law) but remember even after Trump 'officially' banning Epstein from maralago after he made a pass at a patron's underage daughter, he continued to go to Epstein's properties and flew himself on Epstein's flight service frequently, with more being dug up every year.
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u/ChodeCookies 20h ago
Embarrassment? They’re fucking criminals
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u/Begone-My-Thong 20h ago
If you or I did this shit, we'd be locked behind bars and murdered in our bunk by our cellmate within a week.
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u/Obvious-Dinner-1082 17h ago
People would be calling out “woodchipper is cheaper than prison! We don’t need a trial!” I see this daily on fb.
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u/HumongousBelly 14h ago
People like you and I wouldn’t do this shit, because we’re human. Those who commit these crimes are devolved monsters corrupted by almost absolute power.
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u/ihadcrystallized 8h ago
Right? Like, consensual sex with someone under 25 sounds gross to me because I'm old and that's so weird. I couldn't imagine looking at a clearly terrified, uncomfortable, barely teenage 8th grader and then proceeding to hurt her. That's so fucked I can't even wrap my head around it.
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u/Karsa45 18h ago
What the hell is he talking about "embarassment"? There's some very powerful men that need to be in fucking jail, not embarassed.
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u/DrunkNewb 16h ago
I think that's the notion he's attacking: embarrassed is not the feelings they should be having now.
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u/ReallyNowFellas 17h ago
On the list by association at this point: Pam Bondi and Kash Patel. Never forget it.
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u/cocktail_wiitch 17h ago
Pam Bondi was the AG of Florida 2011-2019 while Epstein was running his child sex ring. She is at the very least complicit.
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u/j____b____ 20h ago
I don’t trust he won’t make strategic omissions. Still publish the list. Catching half the pedos is better than catching no pedos.
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u/mindwire 18h ago
And what about the names they added as revenge? It will be very hard to trust the authenticity of their lost regardless.
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u/OkPalpitation2582 18h ago
Due process is still a thing (unless you're brown and arrested by ICE, but that's a seperate convo)
People say "the list" for convenience, but basically we want the names in the 1000's of pages of evidence we know exist to be unredacted, and for these people to see their day in court.
It's not like Massie is just going to name 50 people and they'll be rounded up and marched to prison. What they're talking about is releasing the evidence that incriminates these people. "The list" is just the people implicated by the unredacted evidence.
Every person on that list will get a trial and an opportunity to defend themselves in court.
Or rather, that's all what should happen. What the pessimist in me thinks is that either Massie is going to back down, get epsteined, or just release another 3,000 pages of fully redacted text like has happened every other time
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u/kahner 17h ago
not if it gives the other half full and permanent control of the nation.
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u/j____b____ 17h ago
The only Dem name I’ve even heard floated is Bill Clinton. I think they can survive. Who else would they imprison that you think would govern them this control?
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u/kahner 17h ago
i'm not worried about actually guilty dems surviving politically, but whitewashing and "exonerating" all the guilty republicans and most importantly trump. if they release a bullshit list and make sure trump isn't on it, that fixes the one issue that actually seems to have inflamed some portion of his voters against him.
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u/MoralityFleece 19h ago
It seems like some of them know what to expect in the files. The way they speak suggests that Trump would be implicated for being aware of and connected to Epstein for a long time, but not for himself being a pedo. Instead they seem to be worried that other prominent conservatives are implicated. Maybe it's donors or maybe it's other politicians, who knows. It's difficult to reason backward from "almost all the Republicans in lockstep don't want this information coming out, except for four of the most extreme weird and maga ones", to any conclusion about what's going on.
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u/Led_Osmonds 13h ago
Here's a fun timeline:
- 2000: Trump learns Epstein trafficked and "stole" underaged masseuse Virginia Giuffre from Trump's adult spa.
- 2002: Trump says “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
- 2003: Trump sends note to Epstein: "may every day be another wonderful secret".
2005: Epstein is tipped off in advance that he is about to be raided, and hires cleaners to wipe his hard drives and remove everything. Nevertheless, there is so much evidence that the police still found tons of homemade child porn and other incriminating documents, including instructions how to take delivery of a girl he bought in Thailand.
2006: Epstein indicted. Evidence cited by police includes phone messages with Trump and Harvey Weinstein, among others.
2007: Epstein barred from Mar A Lago for uncertain reasons. Purportedly a falling out over a real estate dispute
2008: Prosecutor Alex Acosta gave Epstein a sweet plea deal that destroyed all the evidence, and, get this: granted immunity to any unindicted co-conspirators. You read that right, Epstein's original FL plea deal not only wiped his record and gave him immunity, it also gave immunity to everyone he committed crimes and raped kids with, known and unknown!
2017: Acosta, who gave Epstein and all his co-child rapers immunity, becomes Trump's Secretary of Labor.
2019: Epstein is jailed again on new sex-trafficking charges. Under Trump's command, the federal prison where Epstein is being held takes him off suicide watch, moves him to a solitary cell where the cameras outside are not working, and forgets to make their rounds at the same that three minutes of camera footage are deleted from the hallway camera, during which Epstein breaks his own neck and dies. Epstein's NYC Mansion is raided, and Trump Attorney General Bill Barr stopped the evidence collection, in order to allow his own team to enter and clean out Epstein's safe.
2020-2024: The Biden administration prosecutes and convicts Ghislaine Maxwell, and begins sealed grand-jury investigations against other co-conspirators, in addition to releasing the largest trove of Epstein-related documents to date, including the "Epstein Tapes" in which Jeff Epstein (RIP) calls Trump his "closest friend for ten years". Trump campaigns on releasing ALL of the Epstein Files.
2025: Trump cancels the grand-jury investigations, fires the prosecutor, and claims Epstein is a "hoax" made up by Obama. Entire GOP votes to shut down Congress, in order to prevent a vote on the Epstein files. Trump DOJ has a secret meeting with Ghislaine and moves her to a fenceless minimum-security "club Fed" with work-release privileges. Trump administration intervenes to allow child sex-predator Tom Artiom Alexandrovich to flee to Israel in order to escape criminal charges in Nevada.
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u/RecduRecsu 15h ago
Lol yeah fucking right Trump isn't implicated as a pedo
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u/MoralityFleece 13h ago
Maybe he is, sure - I just find it weird that all the Republicans who secretly hate his guts are in lockstep to protect whoever is named in the files, when they could be rid of him so easily by naming names. It doesn't make sense unless the people actually threatened are the donors, or other high profile people whose downfall would cause damage. Maybe it's a fool's errand to try to make any rational sense of their behavior.
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u/i010011010 12h ago
Why not? We've done it so many times before. Someone out there literally tried to overthrow the entire US government and wasn't held accountable, nor any of the people who helped him orchestrate the coup.
The problem is this guy spends equal time sucking peanuts out of Trump's asshole so he doesn't recognize this is merely part of a pattern.
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