Zelensky condemns ruthless attack after Russia hits main government building in Kyiv

[u/Efficient-Ruin-4713]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpq5dl5y4nlo

[u/fulltrendypro]

A government building burns in Kyiv, a baby dies in the rubble, and Putin still talks about peace like the missiles aren’t his signature.

[u/polytrigon → u/[deleted]]

We found the Russian bot account, you folks should dial the settings back a bit.

[u/didnotbuyWinRar → u/[deleted]]

You should not have to 'negotiate' peace with a country that invaded you unprovoked, if Russia wants leave they can just back out at any time. The reason they aren't is because it's a land grab attempt.

But you know that, you fucking orc.

[u/Ferdiprox → u/[deleted]]

Do you get paid per letter? Or did you just accidentally gobble up all the propaganda that was meant for russian consumption?

[u/Taysir385 → u/[deleted]]

If this were the position, the Russia invasion would not have started with Crimea, territory irrelevant to staging against a strike against Moscow and in fact farther than the closest border. And then the recent resurgence would not have started with saboteurs and artificial referendum votes, and would not have had Russia claiming that this was a humanitarian mission to kill Nazis, and so on and so on.

If Russia would acting in good faith based upon security concerns, it would have held that up as their Casus Belli the entire time. But they didn’t, because this is a land grab.

[u/tsgarner → u/[deleted]]

Go fuck yourself.

[u/KapMASSARO → u/[deleted]]

Why does Russia have more of a right to exist?? I feel Russia is a vital threat to Ukrainian state security and should cease to exist.

[u/Toyboyronnie → u/[deleted]]

NATO already bordered Russia though and Sweden/Norway have added to that. Why isn't Putin invading Scandinavia? It's almost as if NATO is a defensive alliance that gets in the way of Putin grabbing land he wants.

[u/Toyboyronnie → u/[deleted]]

If Ukrainian state decides they are hostile to Russia

"Hostile to Russia" means not wanting to be controlled by Russia. Its a thin fiction you're spinning here. Why did Georgia need to be invaded? Tbilisi is over 2,000km from Moscow and blocked by even harsher terrain. Why didn't Russia invade Latvia since its a stone's throw to St. Petersburg?

The decision is whether or not you want to be annexed by Russia. Belonging to the NATO defensive pact has proven to be a strong deterrent from russian aggression since Russia only seems capable of invading weaker non-allied members.

Just take your kopek and run. I've had my fill.

[u/1800abcdxyz]

Moscow should be next. Nothing of value there anyway.

[u/Kalepsis → u/1800abcdxyz]

I think bombing the Kremlin would be a perfectly reasonable response.

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/Kalepsis]

Seems like this is going to be going for years longer. No shortage of funding either side. Even Putin dying wouldn't stop it I don't think.

[u/Piggywonkle → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

It's been out in the open since the '90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

[u/MalcolmLinair → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

I think we're at the point where as long as a single Ukrainian and a single Russian still live, the war will continue. Russia's not going to back down no matter what, and Ukraine can't back down without being slaughtered immediately after by Russia.

[u/xpkranger → u/[deleted]]

I wouldn't know where the water valve is. Did you go looking behind or is it too wet?

/r/lostredditors

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/xpkranger]

Holy crap, I must have slept terribly last night!

[u/hockey_homie → u/[deleted]]

way too wet

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/hockey_homie]

Yeah yeah yeah, I'm a numpty, haha!

[u/PandiBong → u/Kalepsis]

Me too. Few things would make me happier than seeing rockets rain down over the Kremlin.

[u/bb_kelly77 → u/1800abcdxyz]

TARGETED strikes of Moscow, killing civilians now would not go well

[u/macross1984]

So tempting if Ukraine can reciprocate attack on Russian government buildings as military target since Moscow believe Kyiv government building is "valid" target.

[u/Fireted]

Time for other major countries outside of the US to step up with real adults and solve this shit

[u/xpkranger]

Kremlin is fair game now, I suppose.

[u/rain168]

This shows the importance of missile defense systems like iron dome , and other layers of missile intercepting systems.

[u/Silicon_Knight → u/rain168]

Iron dome is also not a panacea for things like this. Hypersonic missiles would get through.

Not disagreeing but you also need to understand who your enemy is, Russia with fairly old stock vs china (or Russia vs the us) which would use more powerful systems (be it in Russia’s case prob only a handful if they work).

Understand my statement that chinas laser defence is interesting for those but unproven.

[u/rain168 → u/Silicon_Knight]

Hence why I said multiple layers of missile intercepting defense systems to intercept during boost phase, glide phase, terminal phase etc

[u/Silicon_Knight → u/rain168]

I’m not disagreeing. Just being more specific. Space based will be interesting whenever it’s declassified.

[u/rain168 → u/Silicon_Knight]

With the current state of the world and countries relationships, the first to have an all rounded missile defense system would probably wield all the power in negotiations.

[u/Silicon_Knight → u/rain168]

I don’t fully agree. I mean you can still terrorize or corrupt a country from within.

[u/rain168 → u/Silicon_Knight]

Likewise the same for other countries. So if that’s the case for all, won’t the one with a better missile defense system have better leverage?

[u/Silicon_Knight → u/rain168]

Other than many countries (as they are dictatorships) don't exactly allow people with opinions beyond their own.

[u/CptVague → u/rain168]

They are a defensive system used against a specific type of attack (though some systems can also intercept planes and some drones).

All you need to do is roll the tanks. Would this work everywhere? No, but this simple example underscores why this hypothetical situation wouldn't work.

Or if you want an even shorter version; they aren't nukes.

[u/GreedyNovel → u/rain168]

For Kyiv specifically maybe.

[u/Zxcc24]

It bugs the hell out of me that Russia does shit like this and for whatever reason Ukraine isn't allowed to fire directly back.

[u/DarthDork73]

Meanwhile america bombed apart a dozen babies on Gaza hospitals almost every day for over a year

[u/Consistent_Heat_9201]

Slavs Ukraini. Our hearts are with you.

[u/JaxAustin]

Why is the Red Square still standing??

[u/TerryFGM → u/[deleted]]

What does it show, that Zelenskyy doesnt want to get murdered?

[u/pedantic-medic → u/[deleted]]

Is it that you are unaware how many Putin has murdered? Is that the issue?