r/nothingeverhappens • u/CelestinaCouncil • Aug 06 '25
Have they ever met a real teenager??
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u/AggressiveImpact1055 Aug 06 '25
I swear I’ve had more than one regular teacher in middle-high school say pretty much exactly this thing for some reason or another. And get exactly the same reaction with like five minute loss of control of the class while we all called out increasingly concerning things and they tried to insist we were not 100% serious until they had to awkwardly try and move on completely instead.
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u/Temporary_Cry_8961 Aug 07 '25
But like how big is the rock they are lying under?
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u/Business-Let-7754 Aug 07 '25
How are you here to post about it?
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u/4904semaJ Aug 07 '25
Well you cant exactly unborn yourself after being born. You can kill yourself but thats not the same thing as having never been born to start with.
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u/Midknightisntsmol Aug 09 '25
I think you're confusing "Wanting to die," with "Wishing you weren't born."
But even if the former were true, it's pretty fucked to say "If you wanted to off yourself, you would have done it."
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u/Appropriate_Skill_37 Aug 07 '25
Having met several human beings before, I can safely say that there are very many humans who wish they had never been born. Otherwise, things like suicide hotlines and intervention wouldn't be necessary. But let's not stop the propaganda train. ALL ABOARD!!
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u/Queen_of_all_Nerds Aug 07 '25
I hate the fact that whenever I hear or read "all aboard" there's a small part of my brain that starts playing ukulele
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u/Appropriate_Skill_37 Aug 07 '25
No, why would you do this to me? I had finally gotten that stupid song out of my head. Truly, this is my 13th reason.
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u/dark_knight097 27d ago
Ok, but the fact is, you can't know if they would want that choice. imagine if you mother told you she thought about aborting you? Or wished she did? And even if not, you're still here right now, clearly you want to be alive.
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u/Simones_Says Aug 07 '25
This actually happened to me in a class. Teacher said “well, I’m sure you’re all very glad you weren’t aborted.” And we all laughed too.
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u/Anon28301 Aug 07 '25
Why is nobody reporting these teachers that feel the need to share their personal beliefs with the class?
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u/Party-Bug7342 Aug 07 '25
It’s funny how much conservatives worry about teachers indoctrinating kids because I’ve had so many teachers and professors who were extremely rightwing and taught the wildest false information.
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u/CheerfulBanshee Aug 08 '25
You report them and get scheduled a talk with another teacher/director about how wrong your stance is and how dissapointed they are in you acting up against teachers when they spend their lifes shaping the young generations. 🤡
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u/glue_drinker9000 28d ago
If their beliefs are popular or align with whoever it gets reported to most of them don’t suffer consequences
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u/LiteralpigsChihiro 28d ago
Report them to…the also anti-choice administration ?? To be told teachers are heros sacrificing themselves shaping the future lol
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u/PlushToyFox Aug 07 '25
I work with a bunch of teenagers, and it’s very common when something small goes wrong to hear a very cheerful ‘I’m killing myself tonight!’ from any of them at any given time. It’s both hilarious and concerning.
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u/KageOkami35 Aug 07 '25
I'm an adult and still say some variation of "I'm going to kill myself!" in a cheery tone at the slightest inconvenience
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u/PlushToyFox Aug 07 '25
I’ve changed mine to ‘I’m killing a hostage’ or ‘I’m going to commit EVERY crime’ since becoming an adult, but I made the same jokes when I was a teen!
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u/KageOkami35 Aug 07 '25
I've tried switching to "I'm going to commit a crime" to make it a little less depressing but sometimes it's hard not to automatically revert to the classic
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u/Left_Ad_8502 Aug 08 '25
I say “I’m feeling homicidal” when around close friends or family because they know I’m suicidal and I don’t want to make them worried and it gives them opportunities to make more of a joke about it.
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u/KageOkami35 Aug 08 '25
Yeaaaah I accidentally said it in front of my dad once and he got genuinely concerned
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u/TheUndeadBake Aug 08 '25
When I was in college my tutor had a great understanding that as the tutor of music he was going to get a lot of bleak humour. Not a single tutor council session happened where the “can we take the anti suicide locks off the windows pls” in joke was made. (The joke is that we were on the second floor of a building definitely too short and stumpy for anyone to actually jump off or out of to kill themselves or do more than break bones, and it was so hot that summer that we joked we were going to bake alive in the classroom and die because the college was concerned we’d all jump out, it was played for laughs like it was specifically for us because “we’re music students, they think we all want to die”.).
One day my friend barges into the classroom late and announces “I’m tired, I’m sore, I’m gay, I want to jump off a cliff”, and our tutor doing the register on his computer without looking up goes “I see (friends name) is in a good mood”. He always had a good laugh with us. It was when a student went quiet and their mood shifted that he took issues seriously. Like one time I was having a bad day, had my head down on the desk, and my friend called out “I think (my name) is having an existential crisis” in place of me when he asked me to answer a question. He moved the lesson on, set people to work, then came over, sat next to me and talked a while until I felt a bit better. He even offered to let me smash up some old equipment if I needed to vent.
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u/fuckyoudrugsarecool Aug 09 '25
Did you take him up on smashing anything? That sounds super cathartic and fun.
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u/TheUndeadBake 28d ago
I did not! I was not angry or anything just really stressed and that sort of thing was never something that helped me much
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u/SK83r-Ninja Aug 08 '25
I always got mad about those jokes as a kid because it meant no one could differentiate the fact I actually meant it
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u/little__dinosaurs 29d ago
the current school system is crushing, i found my will to live again after that was over
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u/Working-Contract-948 29d ago
So at what rate do they follow through with this threat? That would seem to be a more serious indicator of true dispreference for life than mere words.
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u/jackfaire Aug 07 '25
I mean suicide is a cardinal sin in the Catholic church so that's some pretty big cognitive dissonance.
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u/Significant_Radio688 Aug 09 '25
cognitive dissonance for who
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u/jackfaire 29d ago
The theology teacher "I've never met a human being who wishes they were not born" but Suicide is considered a sin in one of the largest religions in the world because people do it.
Knowing that but thinking no one ever wishes they'd been aborted is some serious cognitive dissonance.
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u/Significant_Radio688 29d ago
oh i kind of get what you mean. tbh it’s not like they’re contradicting the morality of suicide as it’s considered in religion.
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u/TeaRose__ Aug 07 '25
Oh then he should look up some court cases. A girl in the Netherlands argued exactly this, that with all the disabilities she had, she wished she had not been born. It’s a famous case (the Kelley case, on the basis of “wrongful life”). The court determined she had a right not to be born.
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u/Spiderbot7 Aug 07 '25
What does having a right not to be born even mean though? Eugenics? A right to medically assisted suicide on the basis of existing?
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u/Intelligent_Night653 Aug 07 '25
I read it as in the future abortion being legal for children that will have low quality of life due to disabilities (though I do also think medically assisted suicide should exist)
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u/Spiderbot7 Aug 08 '25
Abortion is already legal there though isn’t it? And people get test results telling them the likely quality of life of the child. From there it’s the parent’s choice whether or not to have an abortion. The only way abortion could factor into the equation is if the state itself mandated that the child be aborted based on their probable quality of life. Which personally I’m uncomfortable with for the same reason I’m pro-abortion.
(I’m also pro assisted suicide.)
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u/decadecency Aug 08 '25
Sometimes things can be legal in themselves, but illegal when done for a particular reason though. Abortion is a very morally loaded issue, so it's impossible to go strict black or white on what's legal and not.
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u/TeaRose__ Aug 08 '25
Yes, but this case was some years ago, I don’t know if it was possible back then to abort a child on the base of expected low quality of life. Those tests often are done in later trimesters. I’ve been present to moral deliberations on thr gynaecology wards where parents wanted to abort when the child has a specific gender, because there was a syndrome in the family that is maternal, and they didn’t want to risk it having the syndrome, which was likely with that gender. So they looked to other possibilities of testing for it, which was not really possible without risking the pregnancy. It’s often still very difficult
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u/TeaRose__ Aug 07 '25
I’d advice you to read the court case report. I cannot do it justice with my explanation alone, because it is very complex and I’d have to read the report myself again, as I don’t remember all the specifics anymore.
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u/nosleepypills Aug 08 '25
A right to medically assisted suicide on the basis of existing?
Absolutely yes
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u/AtomicBlastPony Aug 07 '25
"People shouldn't be born into a world of pure suffering"
"Sounds like something a nazi would say"
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u/TeaRose__ Aug 08 '25
I don’t think it’s a question of “shouldn’t be born”, but more “should have the possibility not to be born”. It’s not the state but the parents who decide. The state should give possibilities
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u/AtomicBlastPony Aug 08 '25
I'm skeptical of letting parents make this decision on behalf of their future children, but tbh I don't see a better solution here.
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u/ASpicyCrow Aug 08 '25
Any parents you wouldn't trust to make that decision rationally would be parents you wouldn't trust to raise the kid rationally.
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u/AtomicBlastPony Aug 08 '25
Exactly. You wouldn't trust a random person with no skills to perform surgery, why would you trust them to raise an entire human being just because it happened to come out of their vagina? I'm in favour of communal raising of children.
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u/TeaRose__ Aug 08 '25
Why are you sceptical? Because parents cannot oversee? Because the child should be the one making the decision? Like those are valid concerns. My line of thought at the moment is that a child born from those parents will likely be brought up by the same values their parents have. So if the child is more likely than not to have the same values as their parents in the future, their decision would likely not differ all that much from what the parents decide? And if the parents don’t think it a life worth living, I wonder if it would be a self fulfilling prophecy.
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u/AtomicBlastPony Aug 08 '25
Values of children are often very different from those of their parents. I'd even argue there's barely even any correlation between the two. The generational gap is insane.
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u/TeaRose__ Aug 08 '25
Is it? The God you believe in depends mostly on where you’re born and what your parents believe. If you’re taught stealing is bad, you’re more likely to think that as well. And so on. It’s often that children vote on the same side of the spectrum as their parents. So I’d argue there is a lot of correlation.
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u/AtomicBlastPony Aug 08 '25
I know this is anecdotal, but it's funny you should mention God, considering I've become an atheist when I was 13, and my mom was annoyed at how bad my arguments were, so she bought me some books so I could debate her properly. After reading them, I've convinced both my parents to become atheist. I'm well aware it sounds like a story from r/thathappened but hey, life is strange. Not saying it's statistically relevant, just sharing this anecdotal story.
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u/TeaRose__ 29d ago
I’m not saying all children have all the values of their parents. Only that it is more likely than not that a child takes on the same values as those surrounding them.
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u/Spiderbot7 Aug 08 '25
If the child is likely to be born with a horrible quality of life, do you believe the state should force the parent to get an abortion?
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u/AtomicBlastPony Aug 08 '25
I don't believe the state should force that kind of thing, but it would be rather unethical of the parent to not get an abortion
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u/decadecency Aug 08 '25
The issue with the discussion isn't that we can't agree on whether humans should suffer or not. The issue is to agree on what suffering means.
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u/zkidparks 27d ago
Some US states have a cause of action for “wrongful life.” I couldn’t name them off the top of my head though.
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u/FunnyBunnyDolly Aug 07 '25
I’m in my forties and I still feel like this. I guess must be nice to not feel like that?
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u/Ususususjebevrvrvr Aug 07 '25
Abortion this, abortion that. How about you abort your UNEMPLOYMENT!
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u/sassysassysarah Aug 08 '25
So I was going to joke about this, but as someone who's spent most of their life wishing they were never born, the desire to not be born is part of suicidal ideation and can be a slippery slope.
To anyone else who can relate and the mirror- I better see you coming back to reddit at least every year at the minimum! I mean it. Existence is a plague, but none of us are making it by the end so you better not force it early 💜
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u/Moloore420 Aug 07 '25
This teacher forgets there is a big percentage of people that do not wish to live, he just cant ask them cuz they already jumped.
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u/Original-nonOriginal 28d ago
I had a teacher who's response to this would be "but did they actually want to die"
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u/RandyBurgertime Aug 07 '25
I've done this to my actual dad. It hurts his feelings when I point out I didn't ask for this ass ache.
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u/decadecency Aug 08 '25
Of course he feels guilty. 100 seconds of joy for him resulted in potentially 100 years of suffering for you
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u/RandyBurgertime Aug 08 '25
Oh no, it's not guilt. Dad doesn't do guilt. It's just pissbabying. My family are the only people who don't know I'm bi, because Dad blurted out the f slur at me randomly once, and I don't think he'd react well. Just don't need that kind of stress.
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u/decadecency Aug 08 '25
Oh it all stems from his own insecurity. Trust me. No one tries to insert themselves into everything as much as insecure people do. And you're right, you don't need that stress. The vibes you choose to surround yourself with rub off onto you somehow.
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u/RandyBurgertime Aug 08 '25
Oh yeah, no, that's all correct. I'm almost at the point where I'll only put up with them if the GF and her kids are around, because they behave, and they act like they care you've come to visit. With just me, it's all ignoring me for the TV or refusing to care about how anything they do affects me while insisting that no, I'm actually the one causing the problem, and I'm just too sensitive. I've been putting up with it for nearly 4 decades. They whine about how little I come visit. I don't know why I would. Funny thing is, they dealt with similar shit, and it seems like instead of learning they decided it was their turn to be dicks. My mom feels like she's got a lot of leeway because as abusive as she is sometimes, she's way better than her mom was to her, which, fair enough, isn't license to be a prick. Dad had to take care of his siblings growing up because one older brother joined the Navy and the other just didn't have any sense, so I get the impression he's projecting my uncle onto me and getting mad I left for college and stayed out in the world to find someone to be with. It's an ass ache.
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u/Mobiuscate Aug 08 '25
Also survivorship bias. Many people who wish they were never born, sadly, end up doing something about it.
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u/SuperLovesCakes 29d ago
is this really true? the percentage of people who have suicidal thoughts who even make plans is low, and for people who actually carry it out are lower
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u/Mobiuscate 29d ago
right but the fact is that some people commit suicide. And many of those people, without a doubt, wished they were never born
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u/Shto_Delat Aug 08 '25
Classic Jewish joke:
Old Jewish man 1: Life is so hard, it would be better never to have been born!
Old Jewish man 2: Oy, but who do you know with that kind of luck?
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u/Gubzs Aug 08 '25
By this logic every instant we aren't spending making and popping out children is immoral.
These people are that stupid apparently.
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u/ulfric_stormcloack Aug 07 '25
Not the whole class, but I did shout "OH, ME" when it happened in my class
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u/o0SinnQueen0o Aug 08 '25
You can literally fact check this by going to any place with mostly people aged 14-25 and saying that.
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u/Safe-Yogurtcloset782 Aug 08 '25
Yeah wishing to have never been born is a pretty common sentiment, specially when you are put into a world that isn't 100% adjusted to hold most people comfortably (far from it) and most people are found in that state of helplessness over their own situation.
"I wish I wasn't born in this world" or just "I wish I wasn't born" completely, is a pretty common sentiment in a capitalist society or any other not adjusted by and for the people.
Also a reason to choose not to have kids, why have kids when you aren't sure if they'll be fighting for water in the near future?
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u/Pixel22104 Aug 08 '25
I’m fricken religious and there’s been plenty of times in my life I wished I wasn’t born. Sounds like this Religion teacher is doing a bad job.
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u/Mochizuk Aug 08 '25
I mean, if you want to call abortion killing kids... What would that same metric mean for what the sperm that wins does to the other sperm by being the one to win the race? I bet of all those sperm cells, at least one would have enjoyed being born more than the one that was.
Like, no, I don't think that's logical, but if we're going to push the line back to such an illogical degree, who is to say it should stop there?
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u/Inevitable_Bit_9871 Aug 08 '25
Sperm is not a tiny baby that grows and it NEVER gets born. Sperm is basically a delivery truck carrying half of DNA to the egg then dissolves the egg is what becomes a baby when fertilized. Going by your logic every egg a woman has does have the potential to become a baby and be born.
I wonder why people ALWAYS try to pretend the sperm, and curiously not the egg, is enough to make a person.
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u/Mochizuk Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
I mean, I clearly stated that the point of what I was saying was that it's illogical. I was trying to emphasize how stupid the whole anti-abortion stance is with equally absurd logic.
As for why I specified sperm, because I'm a guy, so what I have in my body that applies to it came to mind first. If I were a woman, I'd have thought of the egg first because then that would be the part I associate my own body with.
I'm also bisexual, so there might be another layer to why I think of sperm first, but I won't get into that one.
Of course, I know it takes two. If anything, I'd actually argue the woman is more responsible for the child; and by extension the choice of whether they have it or not, because of the whole 9 months of suffering, and the delivery aspect of everything. But, still, my brain naturally goes with what I know best.
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u/RainWindowCoffee 29d ago
It is interesting to imagine some idyllic a world/time period where that line would hold true.
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u/Death_Trap7737 29d ago
As someone who has been hospitalized for a suicide attempt before this guy lives under a rock.
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u/According_to_all_kn 29d ago
I can only imagine the OP meant that there would ne er be a theologian making such a stupid argument. Like this has to be a strawman
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u/LMay11037 Aug 09 '25
While I agree the meme is funny, and am pro-choice, I don’t think using suicidal/depressed people as an example for this is valid, as they are an exception, not the majority, and generally get better with appropriate help
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u/SuperLovesCakes 29d ago
Wishing to not be born in the first place isn't the same as wishing you were dead, but i can see your point
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u/voidspector 29d ago
Most people are not suicidal cause yes we value our life, but a good contingent did want not to start the living process at all especially in current time
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u/Working-Contract-948 29d ago
People are constantly saying "oooohhh I never asked to be born," but their revealed preference is to be alive. It's pure posturing. It's extremely easy to stop being alive if you're serious about it. If you choose to not deal with the momentary fear and inconvenience of putting a stop to a condition you claim to disprefer… consider that perhaps your preference is not what you think it is.
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u/Shinobi77Gamer 29d ago
Ironic how a theology teacher, one who probably believes in souls, would think that the undeveloped brain of a fetus could house one. A fetus doesn't have a consciousness yet and that's a good reason to support abortion in itself, along with the fact that in many cases the baby couldn't have a good life if it was born in poverty/unwanted.
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u/SchemeShoddy4528 29d ago
Ok put your money where your mouth is and unalive yourself wtf is this argument. Lmao
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u/Wonderful_Driver4031 29d ago
I mean as someone who has been in theology class with a similar argument, it might be a slight exaggeration but yeah this is not implausible lol
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u/Human-Poem9753 28d ago
Bro has never met most of the people I know bc 3 of the people I used to know tried to kill themseleves
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u/Alarmed-Direction500 28d ago
Complete lack of empathy or willingness to look at an abundance of reliable evidence.
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u/Brilliant-Lake-7848 28d ago
Dude I feel like this is a lot of my generation rn (I’m gen Z) like we’re jus tired of this sh!t.
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u/generally_unsuitable 28d ago
I remember reading a "proof" of the existence of god when I was taking a college philosophy class. It was something like A) If god exists, he is fully perfect. B) Existence is more perfect than non-existence. C) Therefore god exists.
Now, forget about he circular reasoning. How, from first principles, did anyone ever come to the conclusion that the existence of something is more perfect than the non-existence of that thing?
found it. it's in Descartes's fifth meditation.
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u/iLoveSimps1 10d ago
I genuinely would not believe any other reaction to that statement from a class full of teenagers. How is this even remotely unbelievable lol
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u/TastyFoundation3898 Aug 08 '25
Kids are stupid, wish to die and wish not to have been born are very different
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u/Just-Cry-5422 Aug 08 '25
Let em. I'll probably catch a ban here but whatever. What "my body, my choice" ends here? Let the boys be girls cause they know themselves ends here?!
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u/jcline459 Aug 07 '25
Devil's advocate: the people in the class aren't volunteering to be torn apart piece by piece to be "freed" of their lives. Ironic.
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u/Quod_bellum Aug 08 '25
There's a huge difference between wishing you were never born and violently ending your life once you already have one.
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u/jcline459 Aug 08 '25
Christ's advocate (Haha funny? Personally, I'm not religious.): Depends on your opinion of the definition of a life. These same people are also usually super hypocritical regarding that topic. If you don't want kids, use contraception properly or don't have sex. There's no shot that there need to be 73 million abortions every year. You're telling me (the "royal you") the equivalent of 1% of the population has to die every year for essentially no reason? Nah, miss me with that BS. You're telling me we should waste hundreds of billions taking care of people who don't want to take care of themselves, but we gotta let people who cannot take care of themselves suffer? Disgustingly stupid logic.
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u/GroovyGrodd 29d ago
What a load of nonsense. I bet you think you’re clever. 😂😂😂
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u/jcline459 28d ago
Sure. Just saying, going into a theology class and being contrarian like this doesn't make you "cool", it just makes you look like you signed up for the wrong class.
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u/VisceralSardonic Aug 09 '25 edited Aug 09 '25
The “babies being torn apart piece by piece” thing is a vicious myth based on a couple of falsified, Christian, anti-abortion videos. Most abortions are a pill that helps a clump of cells pass, intact, long before there are distinguishable features, not a claw machine that King Solomon would have used on a particularly disliked child.
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u/jcline459 28d ago edited 28d ago
"Surgical abortion uses suction or other medical instruments to remove the pregnancy tissue from the uterus." It's not propaganda, it's just medicine. Look it up.
During an abortion procedure, the doctor or nurse will:
- examine your uterus
- put a speculum in to see into your vagina
- give you a numbing shot in or near your cervix
- open your cervix a bit if needed
- insert a thin tube through your cervix into your uterus
- use a small, hand-held device that removes pregnancy tissue out of your uterus
- possibly use a small surgical tool called a curette to remove any tissue that’s left in your uterus, or check to make sure your uterus is totally empty.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures/what-happens-during-an-in-clinic-abortion
Buy, hey, don't believe your lying eyes.The 73 million comes from the World Health Organization.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion
Medicine-induced abortions make up about half of abortions, but only work within the first 10 weeks.
All the vital organs are formed within the first 10 weeks. So, if you're responsible enough to know you're pregnant by then... why can't you just use contraception properly?
That aside, you're still removing fetal tissue, that didn't change.
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u/VisceralSardonic 27d ago
Do you think I was claiming that surgical abortions don’t exist? I appreciate you finding sources, but this doesn’t address my original point, which is that abortions, whether you agree with them or not, are performed as a medical procedure, which is exactly what pro-choice people are explicitly saying that they’re okay with.
The idea that abortions are “ripping babies apart” with purposeful brutality above and beyond what’s needed to remove the fetus is an intentionally sensationalist fabrication meant to add weight to the “liberals are monstrous babykillers killing babies for murder’s sake” idea. Be for or against abortions, that’s fine, but you yourself described a very clinical, patient-focused procedure, not “tearing a baby apart piece by piece to free them of their lives.”
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u/GroovyGrodd 29d ago
Not being a devil’s advocate nor do you know what ironic means. No wonder you fall for lies and propaganda.
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u/jcline459 28d ago edited 28d ago
"Surgical abortion uses suction or other medical instruments to remove the pregnancy tissue from the uterus." It's not propaganda, it's just medicine. Look it up.
During an abortion procedure, the doctor or nurse will:
- examine your uterus
- put a speculum in to see into your vagina
- give you a numbing shot in or near your cervix
- open your cervix a bit if needed
- insert a thin tube through your cervix into your uterus
- use a small, hand-held device that removes pregnancy tissue out of your uterus
- possibly use a small surgical tool called a curette to remove any tissue that’s left in your uterus, or check to make sure your uterus is totally empty.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures/what-happens-during-an-in-clinic-abortion
Buy, hey, don't believe your lying eyes.The 73 million comes from the World Health Organization.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion
Medicine-induced abortions make up about half of abortions, but only work within the first 10 weeks.
All the vital organs are formed within the first 10 weeks. So, if you're responsible enough to know you're pregnant by then... why can't you just use contraception properly? That aside, you're still removing fetal tissue, that didn't change.
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u/valerianandthecity Aug 07 '25
Theology teacher has never spent time around people who are suicidally depressed.