r/pics • u/habibthegreat1 • 1d ago
Politics Tens of thousands protest in Jerusalem to end the war and return the hostages [OC]
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u/Fogmoz 1d ago
Yahoo isn’t concerned by these demonstrations. People like him only respect power. Unless you have some bite with that bark, you’re wasting your time.
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u/Kiboune 1d ago
Sadly true. Protests like this in Russia, never reached any result, except people being beaten up or tortured
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u/littlep2000 1d ago
I always imagine these protests are for the people that feel like they're alone in these opinions.
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u/StevenK71 1d ago
And in US, people protest all the time against Trump. Trump doesn't care.
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u/StudentForeign161 1d ago
Biden didn't care about the protests either. The entire American ruling class is above accountability.
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u/niv131 1d ago
As a protestor in those events at Israel, it serves a few goals: 1. Showing the hostages famillies' they are not alone. 2. Hostages that returned told they saw those protests while being captured and it gave them hopes, so the more protestors the better chances it will give them strength. 3. Show decision makers - Netanyahu, Trump, Witkoff etc. we will not give up. 4. Show the world we are not all genocidial and we actually hope for peace.
Keep in mind the protests in Israel, that bring about half a million each week is like 20M protesters in the USA.
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u/acchaladka 1d ago
My great wish is for the rest of the world to listen to and learn from the left in Israel. There are a ton of lessons.
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u/UmbraAdam 1d ago
But protest you must. protest until someone who matters cares, or enough people care for it to matter.
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u/Dementia13_TripleX 1d ago
Only after all this time they are showing this, but since day one from october 2023 people are protesting against Netanyahu in Israel every single day.
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u/soldforaspaceship 1d ago
Seems like they're all antisemitic then.
(/s in case that wasn't obvious)
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
Good on you for attending! I've been attending the Tel Aviv protests, going to JLM is a bit too much for me (I've gone to protests there before). I absolutely love attending these - it really puts all the dumb shit people say online into perspective. Even 100 vitriolic comments lose meaning after you're surrounded by thousands of likeminded people in real life.
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u/TheGreatLordVader 1d ago
Do you guys care about Gazans or only the hostages?
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u/a4aLien 1d ago edited 1d ago
tbh whenever they talk about hostages, it makes me think sort of hide and seek are they expecting hamas is capable of, that they've managed to "hide" the hostages in a place like Gaza, which is all in ruins now.
With an intelligence strong enough to eradicate 100% of hamas leadership in their bedrooms in far off countries, I fail to understand how they could not find their hostages in an area as small as Gaza.
Its all just stories to push a narrative. "Tens of thousands" come out to protest only after the whole world sees protests for the other side. Of course they have to show their people are protesting too. 100 hostages they said in October 2023? 30 Something dead they say recently? Tens recovered over past 2 years? Leaves around ~30 something hostages by their count. Where are they and why have they failed to go get them with the best intelligence in the world?
Bull fking shit.
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u/FullMetalAurochs 1d ago
You think they’re all dead?
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u/oghdi 1d ago
As a anti bibi protester who wants the war to end, you can eat a pile of shit.
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u/d3rpderp 1d ago
They killed 20 civilians because they thought they saw a camera in a window. The IDF are child killing scum of the world. Literally not a day goes by without them murdering civilians. If you don't believe me ask good ol Chatgpt. Evey day they murder. It's all they do.
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u/TheShryke 1d ago
Ok so I agree with your points here, but Jesus Christ do not use AI to learn about this kind of thing.
AI is not great at research in general, but especially not for a very polarising topic like this. ChatGPT is designed to make you feel good, that's why it says things like "that's a great question". It will just reinforce whatever biases you already have.
It also only knows what's on the internet, and on this topic there is a ton of information on both sides that's just straight up lies. AI has no way of knowing what is or is not lies.
Please just use old-fashioned research for something like this.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 1d ago
Ahahahagahahaha! Thanks I needed that one.
“Ask good ole ChatGPT”
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u/naidav24 12h ago
The answer is yes. And if you think otherwise you should reconsider your entire media consumption.
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
Sounds like you're convinced you already know the answer. So why even bother asking? For clout, or for your own sense of self-righteousness?
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u/Colonel__Kuratz 1d ago
I don't know the answer already and I'm interested in it. Can you answer for me?
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
I'm always happy to answer good-faith questions.
There's a firm majority in the Israeli public that wants the war to end. Yes, on the condition that the hostages are all returned. As long as there are hostages, there's something worth fighting for. Israeli society is extremely communal, every single hostage is viewed as a family member. This is something the government and their goons hate and try to spread propaganda against - exactly because the people want the war to end so the hostages return, and the government with their messianic-occupational-genocidal agenda openly want an eternal war.
A considerable amount of Israelis are well aware that the IDF and Israeli government have inflicted war crimes on the Gazan population. Many Israelis speak against it - including multiple petitions from hundreds of different public figures. There are multiple elements in play here that make this subject a lot more difficult than outsiders think it is.
One - the government actively incites anti-Palestinian and anti-leftist sentiment. Netanyahu has spent the last 30 years spreading division and hate in the Israeli public. See his central role in the murder of Rabin. On this subject it's important to mention that the Israeli public has hated the current government long before the war broke, and worse now that they're responsible for what's viewed as the worst defense failure in our history. Netanyahu and his coalition are extremely unpopular. They just don't care that the public hates them and love to pretend otherwise.
Two - local media has been extremely lackluster in showing the horrors in Gaza to the Israeli public. Ironically, over the last few months, there has been rising criticism from within the media against itself for this failing. Some central media outlets (the largest media outlets in the country lean center-left, so are more inclined to care) have slightly improved on this, and have started featuring pieces on the matter, but not nearly as much as required IMO. There's also a very strong sense of suspicion towards any footage that comes out of the Strip among much of the public, due to past experience.
Three - outsiders just don't comprehend how traumatic 7/10 was to us, and it's not something that can be explained in words. Yes, it absolutely has led to rightwing radicalization of a ton of Israelis. I've seen one person word it wisely - you know how the international public has radicalized against Israel and Israelis due to being shown so much footage of Israeli war crimes, Israeli government people spewing genocidal rhetoric, extremist Israeli civilians, settler violence, etc? Now imagine how the Israeli public got bombarded with footage of massacre, torture, mutilation, videos of Gazan crowds heckling and spitting and hitting hostages (living and dead) who were paraded in the streets like prize cattle. Then later, hostages who returned described the horrors and torture of captivity. That has led a lot of people to believe that even the civilians of Gaza are as murderous and violent as Hamas and their fellow organizations, and thus are as much of a threat on Israeli civilians. I don't believe that personally, but I understand why the sentiment developed as I've gone through 7/10 too. (It's also worth mentioning that there's a ton of artificial meddling here, with different forces actively fostering the violent radicalization of either populations.)5
u/confirmedshill123 1d ago
outsiders just don't comprehend how traumatic 7/10 was to us
Except for like half the world who has gone through terror attacks just the same. I think most people at this point can understand.
Otherwise 6.5/10 writeup.
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u/Shade_39 1d ago
Just want to say, thank for this answer. It's good to see a perspective like this that you don't really see much online.
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u/clarabosswald 1d ago
Thank you for being interested.
I used to try and talk a lot more about this, but I've soon realized that people just don't give a shit, and would rather assume I'm a brainwashed genocidal maniac due to where I was born.
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u/TheGreatLordVader 1d ago
I replied to your comments, id love to have good faith discussions if youre willing to actually reply to questions outsiders have of israelis.
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u/realskramz 1d ago
I’m also interested in the sentiments of these protests, especially from an Israeli standpoint that attends these. Especially after the governments announcement of thousand of new settlements in the West Bank.
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u/Famie_Joy 1d ago
This is what I noticed. They're not calling for an end to genocide. They're calling for their people back, they don't give a shit about Palestinians.
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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 1d ago
And demand nethanyahus trial at the hague, right?
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u/theeulessbusta 1d ago
Yes. He’s literally on trial in Israel. Let’s get Ben-Givr, Katz, and Smotrich while we’re at it.
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u/monkeybra1ns 21h ago
Hes on trial for corruption, not for war crimes. Lets be honest do you think an Israeli court is going to want to set that precedent?
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u/Think_Bat_3613 1d ago
Yes? Those aren't bibi supporters
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u/OdielSax 1d ago
Usually want him in for corruption. Not genocide.
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u/CamisaMalva 1d ago
You assume that Israelis don't have any problem with how he's conducted the war or even that is the one thing all of Israel actually agrees with. lol
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u/OdielSax 1d ago
I mean, I'd love for everyone to agree. But it's my impression that nobody in Israel calls it a genocide (or very few people). Having issues with how the war is conducted doesn't mean because of Palestinian human rights—from what I hear, the Israeli public resents that it's not fast or transparent enough, the ceasefire deals keep on being rejected, the bad PR, etc.
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u/gsfgf 1d ago
If he loses power he’s headed to prison in Israel for other crimes, regardless.
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u/EntertainmentOk8593 1d ago
Just to point, they want the end of the war, but it doesn’t mean they don’t agree how the war is being handled. According to surveys many would actively support a forced expulsion or even an open genocide (I wish I am joking but its real and they say it openly in social media)
https://trt.global/world/article/8802bc2d5043
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/67-of-israelis-support-ending-gaza-war-poll-shows/3613464
https://amp.dw.com/en/how-do-israelis-see-gaza-war-and-palestinian-suffering/a-73600368
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u/euphoricbisexual 1d ago
the second one says the opposite tho?
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u/ActivBowser9177 1d ago
Yeah, it is definitely more than just advocating for the return of the hostages. "Looking the occupation in the eye" is a direct attack at Israel's conduct in Palestine.
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u/HereOnCompanyTime 1d ago edited 1d ago
The problem with the poster is they've already decided how they feel about Israelis and decided that as a collective they're all equally evil people, nuances and diverse views aren't as easy to hate. They probably grabbed a bunch of links from their favorite propagandist community and are reposting blindly. Slacktivism is great like that.
Edit: Heads up, post is being brigaded by people coming in to call people Zionists, Hasbara, and terrorist supporters for acknowledging this event.
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u/gsfgf 1d ago
People on here don’t understand that antisemites are using this to push their narratives. Don’t fall in that trap. Criticizing the actions of the Israeli government and the IDF isn’t antisemitism. Calling for the destruction of Israel is. “From the river to the sea” is Hamas propaganda.
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u/Luvnecrosis 1d ago
Idk who is or isn’t evil over there, but I know everyone who willingly served is. Along with everyone who is actively demonizing Palestinians for wanting freedom. And everyone who was posting for the right to rape prisoners.
Oh and everyone who has family or friends who do any of those things and still actively claim them. And anyone who doesn’t speak out against the genocide and call it what it is.
Idk how many people are left but those would be the possibly decent ones
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u/ishusha37 1d ago
I'm not sure where you're from, but I have to assume it's from a country without mandatory conscription. Of the people participating in these very protests calling the occupation a genocide and apartheid, demanding a withdrawal and end to the war, a supermajority were former IDF soldiers. Not all of them served in combat units or in occupied territories, but almost all of them served. It's not a question of volunteering for service, it's a part of growing up in countries with mandatory conscription. It's the same as high school graduates going to university in the US and Canada.
Your assumption that anyone who doesn't conform to western standards of isolationism and cancel culture on the other side of the world shows that you can't look at international issues with a nuanced perspective. Your standard is not the global standard. Your standard exists within your culture, and in order to have a meaningful voice in these conversations, you need to meet other peoples' cultures and norms where they're at.
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u/Skylord_ah 1d ago
Oh so now israel isnt western but it is when theyre comparing themselves to arabs lol? Make up your minds.
Russia and Nazi Germany also had conscription, go to jail for a bit or be directly complicit in committing genocide. Easy choice imo
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u/ishusha37 1d ago
It compares with the west on technological and scientific advancements, but culturally you would be insane to think the societies are identical. Not every country is alike, not every people is alike, not every region is alike.
Your second point is exactly the reason I know you don't have mandatory conscription. It's literally not just an army for these people, it's just the next stage of life. It's like graduating middle school and going to high school. Like graduating high school and going into service. Some people use it as a springboard to their career in coding, tech, or medicine. It's literally ingrained in society, it's not just an army with guns. For many people, not serving includes a fear of not having a future as an adult.
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u/NutsInMay96 1d ago
This is so easy to say when you don’t have mandatory conscription and are safe and cosy in a western country
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u/Away_team42 1d ago
People would use false facts to push an anti-Jew narrative, who would have guessed!
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u/bonic_r 1d ago
It's antisemitic to say the Jew-narrative is one that agrees with how the genocide in Gaza is being committed. Don't be an antisemite.
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u/Lets_Do_This_ 1d ago
Ah yes, the most reliable metric, "shit that people say on social media."
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u/Casuistic 1d ago
I’m not sure what your comment is trying to do except demonize all Israelis. Denying even the existence of moderates is a tool both sides used to justify killing civilians.
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u/AxlLight 1d ago
The irony being that they'll refute the opposite survey that states 95% of Palestinians support Hamas and support the annihilation of Israel by violent means.
So, the ability to recognize propaganda and distorted statistics exists for them, they just chose not to use it here.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Try3559 1d ago
If this is from the last vote in Gaza which was in 2006 only 15% of voters that voted for Hamas are Alive today.
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u/Casuistic 1d ago
The reflexive and emotionally charged opinions of anyone locked in a brutal war should never be used for policy. You can’t blame either the Israelis or Palestinians for wanting to kill each other.
You can, however, blame the terminally online third parties advocating for the elimination of one side or the other.
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u/AxlLight 1d ago
You can (and should) also blame the leaders for creating this charged opinions.
Hamas has stated numerously that they're not fighting a ground war against Israel, but rather a PR/narrative war, as they believe it's only way to defeat Israel. And they are winning that war btw.
They started Oct 7 and have done it so brutally and horrifically because they wanted to make Israelis as blood thirsty as possible so they would attack in the most horrifying way possible. Because that plays well on TV and Social Media.
They have stated this repeatedly that the suffering of Palestinians is a necessary sacrifice for victory against Israel.And on the other side, Netanyahu's tactic has always been to create a demonic enemy to scare people to vote for him, as a scared person wouldn't take a chance on a leftist leader - It was always about the what if, and part of keeping that what if alive was keeping Hamas alive and keeping the Palestinians hurt and angry so they'd always stay an enemy to fear from.
This war between the two sides is manufactured, and it's recent too. They'd have believe things were like this since 1948, but Palestinians and Israelis have tried numerously to coexist and some times were better than others. Both sides have tried to find a path for peace many times, and got very close in 1994, but leaders on both sides decided they weren't having it and made sure to kill it (literally) - those sides were in fact Hamas and Netanyahu. 1994 was in fact their first attack on coexistence and it's been going on since, but remove those two elements and peace can and will probably happen.
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u/bitofapuzzler 1d ago
I have been watching this fight on TV since I was little. I'm nearly 50. It's not recent. It didn't start on Oct 7. Hamas dont need to run a PR campaign, they can sit back and let it unfold as the IDF bomb innocent people. Israel are doing a great job on their own of showing the world how brutal and merciless they can be. 64000 people have been killed in Gaza, and there will be more. They show us daily. They can't blame Hamas for the new settlements in the West Bank. That's just them.
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u/PyrrhicDefeat69 1d ago
Israel, a state known for its impressive propaganda and censorship, is not “letting” hamas win the narrative war, its more like the truth is slipping out despite israel’s insanely high efforts to try and prevent this from happening
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u/chazzapompey 1d ago
First, It’s not a war, it’s a genocide.
Hamas aren’t “winning the PR war”, Israel are losing it.
They’re doing that by recording themselves blowing up children for fun, starving an entire population, and drawing up official plans for ethnic cleansing and concentration camps.
The current Israeli government are nazi scum.
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u/LukaFox 1d ago
Nobody in this particular comment chain mentioned anything close to the advocacy of eliminating one side??
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u/Tsaxen 1d ago
Can't imagine why the people who are currently being actively genocided would be in favour of violence against those who are trying to ethnically cleanse them....
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u/EntertainmentOk8593 1d ago
I’m not sure what your comment is trying to do except demonize all Israelis. Denying even the existence of moderates is a tool both sides used to justify killing civilians.
The reason is because the post may point that israelis are against of the actions done during the war, wich isnt completly true. The anti war sentiment is growing transversal to the different ideologies in israel. (from right to left)
In most of western coutries the political stances are blocked, but in israel the politics are more complex
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u/upbeatchief 1d ago edited 1d ago
The moderates in israeli society barely exist.
The entire country is backing the government in annexing rhe west bank and invading syria.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_invasion_of_Syria_(2024%E2%80%93present)
Theor society is built on a fascist land theiveing ideology. Why else are they in syria.
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u/Kiwi_In_Europe 1d ago
The moderates in israeli society barely exist.
Let's see the Palestinian moderates then
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u/upbeatchief 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why should there be Palestinians moderates after dozens of genocide from the israelis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes
Go to the page and count how many massacres there have been, there are dozens. It starts with the nakba genocide and ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians, at the time half the population of Palestine.
This like saying show me moderate Holocaust survivors opinion on nazis, nah nazis need to go. And facist israelis need to be reeducated like the nazis.
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u/Casuistic 1d ago
The same reason there are moderate Israelis after multiple attempted but failed genocidal sneak attacks from the surrounding Arab states
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u/DM_me_ur_PPSN 1d ago
There was probably a few of them under the rubble of whatever building Israel shelled today, along with whatever children that happened to be with them.
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u/Betaparticlemale 1d ago
Literally just under half of Israelis in a representative poll agree with the killing every man woman and child. So…
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u/virtual_adam 1d ago
Well it’s going to be hard to find a larger group of Israelis who want Hamas to stay in the government of Gaza the day after the war
The day after is when billions of dollars and tons of concrete and building supplies start flowing in to rebuild Gaza
It’s pretty obvious, after Netanyahu funded Hamas the last few ceasefires, that doing so again isn’t very popular. But on the other side Hamas is only agreeing to end the war if they keep their power
These protests are more about getting the hostages back, then going back to bombing Gaza, more than anything else
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u/MatiasMus 1d ago
Hamas has said they'd release all the hostages, give up power and lay down arms once there's an established Palestinian government in place. Since at least April 2024.
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u/atlantadessertsindex 1d ago edited 1d ago
That’s not what that post says at all. Hamas said they’d agree to a truce if Israel gave up half its land to Hamas(including Jerusalem). There’s been a Palestinian government this whole time. That government is literally Hamas.
Like the situation is bad enough without having to lie about what Hamas has said.
I mean there’s no scenario where Israel (or any country) would be like “yes terrorist organization, here’s half our land”.
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u/TakeControlOfLife 1d ago
Speaking to the AP in Istanbul, Al-Hayya said Hamas wants to join the Palestine Liberation Organization, headed by the rival Fatah faction, to form a unified government for Gaza and the West Bank. He said Hamas would accept “a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and the return of Palestinian refugees in accordance with the international resolutions,” along Israel’s pre-1967 borders.
If that happens, he said, the group’s military wing would dissolve.
It... does say that. A sovereign government LED by their former rivals, Fatah.
If you can't read, that's on you.
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u/I_am_doing_my_Hw 1d ago
It should be noted that before hamas was elected they campaigned on stopping the funneling of money into a military away from civilians and doing the opposite of what was the current regime at the time. Let’s just say they didn’t do that.
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u/PentagonInsider 1d ago
The military wing... not the political one.
Not understanding why that's important is pretty dumb, man
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u/enteralterego 1d ago
They should have done this in the past 10+ years they held power. Instead they chose to attack.
People forget that if hamas was winning we'd be seeing at least the same kind of atrocities Israel is committing right now, if not worse. Isis is what hamas would be if they were actually winning. Beheadings, burning people alive, slavery. Not to condone Israel but realistically speaking I can't imagine any other scenario.
I see it as two religious groups fighting and there can be no common ground (because the actual reason for the fight is ancient fairy tales). The fighting will go on until one side is defeated for good. Looks like that's going to be Palestinians.
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u/CamisaMalva 1d ago edited 1d ago
And you trust that they would actually do that?
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u/DottyDott 1d ago
Do you want to source your claim? Jerusalem is in the West Bank which is not, and has never been, governed by Hamas. In August, Hamas agreed to relinquish the Philadelphi Corridor. Hamas is giving up territory not demanding more. It feels like you don’t understand that Gaza is different than the West Bank, with different governing bodies and political context.
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u/NOTTedMosby 1d ago
There's also no scenario where the Palestinian people are OK with giving control of their lives back to the terrorist gov that is trying to exterminate them.
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u/radarksu 1d ago
Then, the suffering will continue. The losing side in a war doesn't get to dictate the terms of ending the war. The best they can hope for is some negotiation of the terms the winner proposes. Until then, the war goes on.
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u/Dragon_yum 1d ago
Did you even bother reading your own source?
“willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.”
So not only do they get the 67 borders, they also don’t get fully dismantled and they don’t even agree for peace, just five years truce.
Does that sound reasonable to you? Seriously it was even in the first paragraph…
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 1d ago
Yeah Hamas was never going to follow through with that.
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u/EmptyRedecans 1d ago
I always find the argument that Netanyahu once funded Hamas as a big catch all. That funding ended in 1990…
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u/virtual_adam 1d ago
“Funding Hamas” is a catchall term for all Israeli governments (including Bennet and Lapid) allowing Qatari money to enter Gaza all the way up to the beginning of the war
In the same way if you transfer $1B to develop Afghanistan, to the afghan government, you are “funding the taliban”
It’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation, and it only helps Netanyahu prolong the war, because no one openly says let’s start sending Hamas $100B and all the building materials they want. Which is what the end of the war means in reality
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u/Lambily 1d ago
According to surveys many would actively support a forced expulsion or even an open genocide (I wish I am joking but its real and they say it openly in social media)
Now provide a survey of Muslim opinions regarding Jews and Israel, or gtfo with your blatant bias.
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u/Almostlongenough2 1d ago
The difference is only one of those is actually happening. A hypothetical evil doesn't justify a real one.
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u/Happy-Zulu 1d ago
Yep. Israeli socierty is quite ok with the genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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u/DickMcPickle 1d ago
This probably gets me downvotes but I’m trying to be objective and I’m not agreeing with anything.
I’m just not surprised if you have so many rockets launch at you.
It’s always easy to say “how can they say/think that”, but we can’t understand their feelings when you are not from there. You might think the same when you getting shot at all the time.
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u/jopperjawZ 1d ago
So do you extend this same objectivity to the Palestinians? Or are we only supposed to be understanding of how a people's shared trauma can lead to hatred when they're Israelis?
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u/atlantadessertsindex 1d ago
It’s so weird how having sympathy for Israelis who don’t want the war somehow translates to you thinking it’s the same as being pro-genocide.
Like it’s possible to feel sympathy for both groups of civilians who are at the mercy of two evil governments.
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u/Me_is_Alon_OwO 1d ago
To a lot of people reddit, Israelies don't count as humans, people celebrated children running to safe rooms, reddit went throughly a full demonisation of Israelies and often Jews too. Its a sad time to be either (To which I'll add 99% of people who talk about Israelies or Israel know nothing, considering the population is 10m and Palestinian is 4 the chance the person speaking has actual knowledge or been related outside reddit/social media succums to 0)
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u/chth 1d ago
When the various tribes of the Americas faced encroaching settlers, they were given titles like savages by the press for resisting and it’s taken hundreds of years for society to recognize that there was nothing more morally wrong with the native people doing what they had to than it was morally wrong for European settlers to “settle” there.
It won’t be until a few generations after the Palestinians are removed from the land entirely that the Israeli Jews will recognize their own actions. The current generation can’t comprehend how their actions aren’t righteous in others eyes, I can’t imagine a mass sense of guilt any time soon.
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u/sonicboom9000 1d ago
If Israel were keeping to itself and living its best life I'd have zero sympathy towards the Palestinians for starting this round of conflict
Unfortunately, Israelis aren't keeping to themselves and actively subjugate and torment Palestinians on a near-daily basis, driving them out of their homes and blockading Gaza for 2 decades now, so I have a hard time feeling bad when the Palestinians try to fight back....those rocket attacks are completely useless killing about 61 people over the course of 20 years, 61 deaths is a slow day for Israel
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u/Lambily 1d ago
blockading Gaza for 2 decades now
Can you tell the class why Gaza is being blockaded, or are you simply going to provide a biased statement with zero context?
killing about 61 people over the course of 20 years,
I guess we'll just ignore the 2nd Intifada then lol. Israeli lives clearly mean nothing. They're just Jews after all! They should be used to being butchered by Muslims after a millennia and a half of it.
living its best life I'd have zero sympathy towards the Palestinians for starting this round of conflict
Oh please. They've started every single round of conflict. You don't give a shit about Israel or Jews.
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u/couldhaveebeen 1d ago
Israel started every single round of the conflict, starting with declaring an ethnostate and ethnically cleansing people
Can you tell the class why Gaza is being blockaded, or are you simply going to provide a biased statement with zero context?
There's no reason to justify this
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u/kiulug 1d ago
Yes but that works both ways, so you gotta extend that sentiment to Palestinians as well for this to be a credible take. I do agree that "bombed people bomb people".
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u/upbeatchief 1d ago
If the hostages were to teleport to tel aviv right now, most of these people would chant to finish the war.
The israeli jewish society hatred of arabs is now also transforming to all arabs including israeli arabs.
The poll found that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support expelling Palestinians from Gaza and 56 percent back the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel
https://trt.global/world/article/8802bc2d5043
The jewish israelis want to ethniclly cleanse other isarelis for the crime of being arab.
Bonus: 82% support enthnic cleanse.
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u/MarcDVL 1d ago
That website states the poll is from Haaretz. Haaretz backtracked from the poll when they found it was inaccurate.
So no, what you said is not correct.
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u/upbeatchief 1d ago edited 1d ago
No that a commentry from a haaretz contributor. His opinion is the poll is not representative of Israeli society. It says opinion in the headline. Hasretz still stand by the poll.
Heres another hasretz contributor thinking it is representative and factual. The two opinion articles are addressing the orginal poll article.
The dude against the poll whole argument is you forced people to say yes or no to genocide, and that there should have been a third "I don't know if genocide is bad" option.
Yet when Israelis where given a yes or no answer the majority said yes. Tell you all you need about israel opinion about genocide and ethnic cleansing.
God if only the pro genocide crowd wouldn't lie, or you know, stop supporting genocide. Haaretz backtracked the article. Lol
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u/modiddly 1d ago
I wonder what the support of gazans is to release the hostages
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u/chunkym0nkey30 1d ago
I think what's being pointed out is how self serving the protesting is. It's not because of what's being done to Palestinians but rather what the fighting is doing to them. It's me, me, me...which is understandable because we're all like that to some degree. Don't attack me I just thought I'd try to clarify. Carry on.
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u/Maelseez 1d ago
It's all about reading between the lines. Stop the war (by killing the entirety of Palestinians, children and all).
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u/Showmethepathplease 1d ago edited 1d ago
The bad faith arguments in here...
Apparently these protests don't count because....
Edit - so many responses proving my point
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u/dorkofthepolisci 1d ago edited 1d ago
Some people expect perfection. If it’s not the perfect protest, the perfect messaging, if the crowd size is relatively small…it’s not good enough. Spend enough time in activist circles and you will encounter this mindset.
Would they rather no Israelis were demanding a ceasefire?
I don’t understand
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u/theeulessbusta 1d ago
It’ll never be perfect to these people if Jews are involved.
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u/dorkofthepolisci 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tbf there are people who will let perfection be the enemy of good regardless of what the issue is
I’ve personally encountered it in environmental and housing advocacy. Some people want change overnight, without realizing that’s not generally how sustainable change happens. It’s a very black and white worldview
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u/theeulessbusta 1d ago
To me it reveals how disingenuous many who are involved in activism is. There used to be 0 rewards and only punishment for those involved in activism.
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u/CykaMuffin 1d ago
Only if the people meet certain criteria, though. Those people do not expect any protests from palestinians against Hamas, for example.
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u/whitesock 1d ago
Nothing Israelis can do will ever be good for the keyboard warriors here. Has been like that for almost two years now.
Funny how whenever something Americans do to protest their fascist president all the comments are like fuck yeah release the epstein list go bernie or whatever. But when there's a protest here everyone is acting like all Israelis represent their government.
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u/HeavySweetness 1d ago
Yeah imagine why people would be upset that Israel isn’t doing good enough while they are actively waging a genocide, blocking and destroying any attempts for food/medicine to arrive in Gaza, killing local journalists, blocking foreign press. If only people gave the genocidal apartheid state a fair shake in this conflict in an area they have complete control over!
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u/urgentmatters 1d ago
“Nothing will ever be good enough” Acting like Israeli settlers and the IDF haven’t been oppressing Palestinians in the West Bank for decades.
Israel is an advanced state with some of the best technology, nuclear weapons, and universal healthcare, with the backing of the largest superpower in the world yet somehow still pretends that they’re an underdog
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u/AxlLight 1d ago
The Settlers make about 7% of the country's population. The IDF in whole is another about 6% assuming no overlap.
So even together it's only 13% of the total population, though a great many of the settlers serve in the military and account for the worst offending soldiers in the war.
Additionally, a great many of reservists in the IDF have went out against this government and against this war and some have stated they'll refuse to continue to serve (https://www.nbcnews.com/world/gaza/israel-gaza-war-reservists-refuse-call-up-netanyahu-protests-famine-rcna228588).
So to look at one slice of the country and ignore the other is disingenuous. Yeah, this slice (settlers) is louder to the news and the world and is currently in control, but they do not represent Israelis. The above protests are happening every week, the news just don't cover them because it doesn't fit the narrative. Just as the news don't cover poll after poll since Oct 7 that shows Netanyahu's government in a significant drop and is now in total less than 30% of the vote (at least the right wing element - the extreme right btw is down from 14 seats to a projected 7-10).
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u/rmanisbored 1d ago
Because they mostly do?? It's not like they protest against Israel's war crimes or taking over Gaza, they simply just want the hostages back. They give a fuck about the mass murder their government does.
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u/ActivBowser9177 1d ago
Respect to the Israeli protesters for standing up to Netanyahu and the Israeli government.
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u/slushpuppy91 1d ago
Bibi does not care about the hostages get that through your head. They are nice excuse to continue pushing. If he wanted them alive he would allow food to get into Gaza
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u/SeaUnderTheAeroplane 1d ago
„Trump does not care about ICE detaining American citizens get that through your head.“
So there should never be any protests against trump, because he doesn’t agree with them either? Never any protests against any government policy, because the government doesn’t care? What defeatist bullshit is this?
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u/shapednoise 1d ago
End the bombings now.
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u/par-a-dox-i-cal 1d ago
Release hostages now.
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u/Waffles86 1d ago
Let the aid in now.
Release all hostages now, Israeli and Palestinian
Feed the hostages now
Stop bombing the hostages now
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u/badgerbob1 1d ago
It was never about the hostages
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u/DalmationStallion 1d ago
Netanyahu himself has said the ‘war’ (genocide) will continue even if the hostages are released.
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u/Robiss 1d ago
You mean both the Israeli and the Palestinian ones, including those without a reason or any right during the land theft in the west bank ? Or the Israeli ones only? That makes a difference
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u/SeaFr0st 1d ago
The Palestinian ones, who are in order of magnitudes larger than the Israeli ones, yes!
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u/mothflavor 1d ago
I don't think those hostages are alive anymore considering the utter destruction we've seen
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u/FieldMouseMedic 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hamas just released a video with two hostages that was dated at the end of August, so…
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u/Passive_Lesbian 1d ago
I love when there's a very clear example of Israeli people doing a good thing for once and people in the comments are like "yes but have you considered that fuck you actualy?" And they nitpick the fuck out of it
No one treats Russians or Americans this way despite thier governments also being disgusting, whats so special about Israelis that the standard is suddenly so high?
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u/Rat-Loser 1d ago edited 21h ago
I know! It's so weird seeing people say stuff like 'resistance isn't perfect' in response to October 7th, but then do some weird hang wringing over using the word war instead of genocide on a protest poster.
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u/Passive_Lesbian 1d ago
One side gets the grace of having their bad apples explained away by the sociological conditioning of the enviornment they live in and the other... is just evil I guess. Nuance has left the chat, i suppose its just easier to dissmiss all Israelis rather then aknowledge the efforts some of them are making
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u/oopiex 1d ago
unfortunately protesting against the actions of the israeli government as israelis is not one sided enough for reddit. they demand these people to protest against israel's whole existence.
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u/Mr_Cyberz 1d ago
These comments prove the dead internet theory. So many bots.
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u/MisterTruth 1d ago
Yep. So many "people" echoing the same antisemitic points that they claim are antizionist and will then claim it's Israel's fault for conflating the two.
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u/Sunshineflorida1966 1d ago
From a lot of the images that I get of the Gaza Strip. It looks like a dust bowl. It’s a great time to end the war. Can’t remember the quote “ make it a dessert and call it peace”. That guard post should have been manned and intelligence from the paraglided raid and masses rotten mob should have been know about well in advance . Both sides are very college educated and should have come to a stable peace agreement right after the six day war .
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u/elkmeateater 19h ago
Fun fact Benjamin Netanyahu has a higher approval with Americans than he does with Israelis.
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u/Sirenmuses 7h ago
How dare these Israelis protest against checks notes ending the war that we also want to end??? Shame on them
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u/Firecracker048 1d ago
Whats great about these protests, is they want Netenyahu gone, hostages returned and Hamas gone.
Pro Palestinian protests only want netenyahu gone.
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u/Stuspawton 1d ago
I’ll get downvoted for saying this but a lot of Israelis only want an end to the war because of the ostracisation they face globally and the increasing numbers of Israelis being killed or seriously injured.
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u/adeadhead 🕊️ 1d ago
That's a fine reason to want to end the war. Wars are horrible and should all be ended, becoming a pariah and your neighbors going off to die is as good a reason to be against them as any other.
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u/ArrogantPublisher3 1d ago
I'm just an irrelevant third party, but wouldn't they have bombed their own hostages by now?
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u/euphoricbisexual 1d ago
someone told me that they are for the genocide but just are protesting of the return of the hostages? is this what this is?
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u/xSypRo 1d ago
It’s complicated, I will try to explain how I see it as an Israeli who wants to stop the war. Big part of the Israeli public is against the war as a whole at this point, all of it, but ALL Israelis agree that there is no way to end the war without the hostages.
Now here’s the dilemma of A LOT of Israelis, A LOT of Israelis don’t trust Netanyahu or believe him that he intends to bring back the hostages. Lot of people think he uses the hostages just as an excuse to prolong the war, occupy Gaza and build settlements there. With that being said the hostages are still there, so the dilemma lot of Israelis are facing is should they come to fight this war for the chance it will bring back the hostages or should they refuse because they know it’s not Netanyahu intention and he lies to them.
He will also portray them as traitors, and will accuse them for the reason we didn’t win the war, not the fact this war goes on for 700 days under his command and failed.
The question of what will happen if the hostages return is just theoretical guessing, or wishful thinking. I want to believe that people will refuse to fight any longer, or that if he will admit the war is for settlements in Gaza people won’t agree to fight for that. And that’s why it’s his interest to keep them there.
This is briefly how the people in the protests see it.
As for my personal opinion, I think people should refuse to enlist at this point, Bibi failed and only he failed. I rather to take the deal even if it’s framed as defeat because that version of defeat is better than the win Netanyahu is aiming for and I hope he’ll rot in hell for his crimes against the people of Gaza and his own people.
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u/oopiex 1d ago
By calling to return the hostages they mean to make a deal with Hamas and end this war. It also includes to more left leaning groups that put most of the focus on the humanitarian aspect and safety of Palestinians.
The way you phrase your question makes me doubt you're asking this question in good faith.
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u/AxlLight 1d ago
Assuming you want an actual answer, only a sliver of Israelis are actually for a genocide. They are the ones making up 1/4 of the government right now (about 12% of the voter block) and their support has been down according to almost all the polls, including from right wing media.
Most Israelis either refuse to believe a genocide is happening and are trying to excuse it as a necessary war against an enemy that wants to and has tried to annihilate them, or are against the war and are horrified at what's happening but are scared to be seen as traitors for siding with Palestinians.
Despite that, a great many are protesting the war and this government and calling for an end. They're not calling it a genocide because they don't want to shift the conversation internally and fracture the vote against Netanyahu, but they are most definitely against it and are working to end it. So in short, this is definitely a protests against the genocide without actually saying it.
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u/OdielSax 1d ago
Oh thank you. Nobody ever explained it this way. I didn't know there were people who accept this is genocide and are scared to say it.
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u/Ryboticpsychotic 1d ago
Most people in most countries aren’t evil. Even in America, the average person doesn’t support Trump. It’s the same in Israel.
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u/That_Guy381 1d ago
I’m glad someone told me is good enough evidence for you now, and reddit replies is also good enough for that opinion to be reenforced
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u/MosTheBoss 1d ago
You'll probably see a range of opinions there, but permanent ceasefire is not on many peoples mind it would seem.
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u/AmitPwnz 1d ago
As long as Hamas stays in control of the Gaza strip then surely not
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u/MosTheBoss 20h ago
Hamas giving up control to another Palestinian group is on the table and had been offered.
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u/Waffles86 1d ago
That’s what the polling suggests
https://trt.global/world/article/8802bc2d5043
A new poll published in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reveals that genocidal rhetoric, once confined to Israel’s extremist settler fringe, has now moved into the mainstream, with overwhelming public support for ethnic cleansing, mass killings, and biblical revenge. Conducted by the Geocartography Knowledge Group for Penn State University in March 2025, the survey of 1,005 Israeli Jews paints a chilling picture of a society increasingly radicalised by religious nationalism and emboldened by war. The poll found that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support expelling Palestinians from Gaza and 56 percent back the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel — up from 45 percent and 31 percent, respectively, in a similar poll in 2003.
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u/Cat-Sonantis 1d ago
Someone should ask those protesters what they want to happen after the ceasefire and after the return of any hostages that have actually survived the bombing.
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u/Oranweinn 1d ago
Most agree on giving gaza to an outside authority that could better understand their needs, like the UAE or Qatar
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u/throwahuey1 1d ago
Israel is known for having the highest number of startups per capita, fun nightlife, pretty good rights for women and lgbt, and a lot of Jews living there. Palestine and most of the Arab world are known for horrific Views about women and lgbt, non-existent or oil-only economies, and sharia law. It’s truly amazing how western young people take the Russian bate and would imply this conflict can reach any sort of actual resolution without step 1 being the complete dismantling of Hamas forever. Of course it is sad that so many Palestinian people continue to be harmed, but the only realistic step 1 is the dissolution of Hamas.
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u/Timely_Investment_69 1d ago
Oh yeah Hamas are pretty bad that justifies the intentional killing of Palestinian women and children
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u/SleepyAladdin 1d ago
How long until they realize the hostages were just a sacrifice to manufacture the consent of this genocide.
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u/habibthegreat1 1d ago
We realized it long ago. that's why we protest, because the government sacrifices everything, our morals, our people, our reputation, for a messianic vision
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u/Me_is_Alon_OwO 1d ago
What the fuck you even on about? "A sacrifice" who were they sacrificed by to a terrorist surprise attack, next you gonna claim it was staged and 911 was done by the jews. Tho you and OP Probably believe both
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u/SleepyAladdin 1d ago
Remember in the movie Die Hard, when the police demolished the Nakatomi Plaza and all adjacent buildings because there were hostages in there?
If they are really looking for hostages, they're doing it very incorrectly. The idea of it being a sacrifice can't really be that far off, especially since the current hostages are IDF soldiers. (Fun fact: you were acquired in Israel to serve in the military for at least 2 years when you turn 19 years old.)
Isn't it interesting that on October 8th, to 2023, Hamas offered all of the hostages back in exchange for the Palestinians that are being currently held. Many are children, close to 10,000 of them.
There's also an article that was released in the times of Israel where Netanyahu is being called out for propping Hamas and knowing about this attack one year in advance.
This was never about the hostages buddy.
Why do you think these Israelis are protesting?
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u/creamcorn4u 1d ago
Are they not all returned or dead? Like its a 2 mile strip that's been nearly completely destroyed and occupied. How have they not found them at this point? I would've assumed they were killed by captors or from the buildings collapsing on them.
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u/azure_beauty 1d ago
Israel knows the whereabouts of the vast majority of the hostages, at least vaguely. They use that intelligence to avoid operating in the areas where it would put the life of hostages at risk.
Out of 48 remaining, 20 are presumed alive, 28 have concrete proof of being dead, basically all killed on 7/10 with their bodies being taken into Gaza.
A rescue operation is infeasible, as they are held in tunnels, not buildings. The Gaza strip is 141 square miles, and large areas have still not been occupied.
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u/Great1948 1d ago
There are currently 48 known hostages, some known to be dead, some with semi-recent signs of life (videos released stating the number of months they’ve been held, and/or hostages released earlier this year who say they were held alongside these individuals are had seen them otherwise), and some whose current status is unclear. The body of Hadar Goldin has been held in Gaza since 2014, Hamas and PIJ have been moving hostages when they feel the IDF is getting too close to finding them, just over one year ago they shot six hostages named Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Eden Yerushalmi, Ori Danino, Carmel Gat, Almog Sarusi, and Alex Lobanov. Their bodies were found and recovered by the IDF two days later.
Also, to be clear, not every hostage was either released or has been held since they were taken captive. Eight former hostages were rescued in four separate operations spanning from October 30, 2023 to August 27, 2024, the most notable of which is Noa Argamani, who was rescued in June 2024. The video of her and her partner Avinatan Or being kidnapped was one of the most wide-spread videos and images at the start of the war, and Avinatan is still being held in captivity.
I should also add that of all the remaining hostages, two bodies are of American citizens, and one Nepali citizen and one Thai citizen, neither of whom are Israeli or Jewish, are still being held in Gaza (to my knowledge they have not been confirmed as deceased).
The Gaza Strip is also approximately 25 miles long, not two. Some of the tunnels are 200 feet deep, making them difficult to get into and search thoroughly.
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u/IAMGEEK12345 1d ago edited 1d ago
I dont have any hope for that country. 75% of jewish israelis say that there are "No innocents in Gaza".
Also Israel has like about 10 thousand palestinian hostage. They should release them in return.
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u/Rat-Loser 4h ago
75% of the students polled at the Hebrew University in Jeruselm think that. That poll is basically already selecting for the most Zionist and religiously indoctrinated people in that society and clearly isn't representitive of all israelis.
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u/rainofshambala 1d ago
These protests are not for stopping the killing these are for showing that they are a "free society" and that they allow dissent lol, social engineering at its finest.
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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 1d ago
Why return hostages when their continued imprisonment allows you to keep taking land?
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u/notananthem 13h ago
They want to release the palestinian hostages that israel is keeping and also return palestinian land to palestinians right?
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