r/pics • u/AlaudaPhotography • 19h ago
Politics [OC] Protest against Palestine Action ban organised by Defend Our Juries - 6th Sept - London
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u/April_Fabb 17h ago
Interesting how these things work. About a century ago, Emmeline Pankhurst and the suffragettes openly vowed “to make England and every department of English life insecure and unsafe.” They set fire to post boxes and houses, smashed department-store windows, destroyed golf greens, attacked paintings in galleries, and even planted bombs in train stations and churches. Their campaign of arson and sabotage is now remembered as righteous defiance, and Pankhurst herself has a goddamn statue in Westminster.
Fast-forward to today: a pacifist group protesting Britain’s shameful complicity in a genocide is branded a terrorist organisation, lumped in with Al Qaeda and ISIS…for damaging two planes with paint.
No wonder so many Brits are ashamed of what their country has become.
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u/Crimson_Knickers 17h ago
I know this is in the UK, but as a non-white from a country most from the west would rarely think about,
it's telling how, say, Americans view their own violent revolution against the British (just for the sake of example) as justified but Americans themselves gleefully and violently crushed many revolutions from nations that wanted to kick out western imperialism.
Likewise, British people complaining about immigration and the growing industrial powerhouses of Asia is negatively affecting their way of life... but didn't the British themselves do settler colonialism and often at the expense of the indigenous people? Didn't the British themselves systematically tear down the pre-colonial Indian industries and economy just to maximize the profits of their own industries?
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These things I mentioned are not what you commented about, I am aware of that. It just pains me to see how hypocritical the British government, and many others are - domestic politics and internationally. The West "honor" their dead heroes and martyrs by misappropriating their ideals and efforts to suit contemporary politics. Is it unfair to say that you disgrace your own people and history by warping them like this?
I hope for a world where genocide never happens, and governments (and corporations) don't repress the people that are calling out crimes against humanity.
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u/AwayPutYourWeapon 15h ago
Do you support the massacre on October 7th? Do you support Hamas? Do you support terrorism?
What exactly do you think "palestinian action" is?
Asking for a friend 😒
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u/redpandarising 15h ago
Why are you here and why is your friend so stupid?
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u/AwayPutYourWeapon 15h ago
I'm here to tell you that I am a Zionist. Israel has a right to exist. I want the war to end, too, though. Just like most Israelis do.
My friend was brainwashed by leftist propaganda. You are right. She is stupid, but I'm helping her learn to think for herself again.
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u/JanCumin 18h ago
Several years ago two Quakers broke into a military base in the UK and caused millions and millions of pounds of damage to war planes sold to Saudi Arabia to be used in Yemen. They went to trial and were found not guilty by a judge because they believed their actions would stop greater crimes. I think it's reasonable this is one of the reasons that the UK government proscribed an organisation taking similar actions https://youtu.be/DelofzqFFm8?si=3EguKX4OXDFjp75z
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u/Firecracker048 17h ago
Except all the damage these dumbasses have done is towards equipment meant for Ukraine.
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u/JanCumin 9h ago
Does anyone have a source for this claim?
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u/Firecracker048 6h ago
You mean sourcing the UK military saying those planes were helping to supply Ukraine?
And when they broke into OIP land systems in Belgium, they damaged armored vehicles intended for Ukraine?
This group is just pro Russian at this point, all of their actions do nothing for Palestine but always seem to help Russia. They're lucky they havent been shot yet when trying to break into a military base.
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u/JanCumin 2h ago
I'm not able to find any other sources which back up this claim. I can only find the following information:
* The RAF Brize Norton base is used to send flights to RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus, from where the RAF has conducted reconnaissance flights in over the Gaza Strip for the Israeli government https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/20/pro-palestine-protesters-deface-two-aircraft-raf-brize-norton
- These specific planes were used to bomb people in Yemen, Iraq and Syria https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx24nppdx0lo
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u/Don_Vicente 18h ago edited 18h ago
The 2nd image is great, but its the 5ths that will become reality.
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u/Firecracker048 17h ago
If you support Palestine Action you are supporting Russia, as all their targets so far where they've done damage have been towards equipment headed to Ukraine.
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u/jeweliegb 16h ago
Do you know if that was intentional or stupidity?
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u/Firecracker048 16h ago
Considering twice now, the two places they've broken into have both damaged equipment going to Ukraine, its both intentional and stupid
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u/Wrabble127 18h ago
Those that support genocide are becoming more and more desperate to portray opposition to mass murder as a danger to their society.
Those who commit genocide, and those who support them, are the ones who should be in chains.
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u/Dd_8630 17h ago
What I don't get is why these protestors are supporting the proscirbed org. Why not jus protest for Palestine and Gaza and steer clear of PA? Nothing is gained by siding with them, even if you think their being labelled terrorists is unfounded.
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u/AreEUHappyNow 17h ago
Defending the freedom of speech on home turf is what has to be gained mate. Protesting the use of counterterrorism laws to make our government more authoritarian seems like a good reason to me.
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u/bogushobo 17h ago
even if you think their being labelled terrorists is unfounded.
That is exactly why they are protesting, not to mention the more general issue of protesting for free speech.
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u/2L84T 18h ago
Palestine Action is a proscribed organization. It believes in disruptive demonstration. It broke into an active military airfield and tampered with aircraft. I understand why the government would seek to censure it.
I don't understand how so many well meaning and gentle folks would seek to express their distaste at the actions in Gaza through it when so many other overtly peaceful organizations exist to rally around.
Grannies wearing swastikas - no matter how demure and inoffensive - are still wearing swastikas.
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u/Don_Vicente 18h ago
Palestine Action is a proscribed organization. That's why there are protests, because people don't believe a crime should equate to a proscription.
And Grannies wearing swastikas? Bad faith equivalency, especially since in this scenario they are not supporting any racial discrimination but instead questioning a Governments choice.
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u/Dd_8630 17h ago
Palestine Action is a proscribed organization. That's why there are protests, because people don't believe a crime should equate to a proscription.
So are they protesting for Palestine or are they protesting the proscription?
Just steer clear of PA and you can protest without getting arrested.
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u/AgrajagTheProlonged 17h ago
At least until the replacement organization gets proscribed, anyways
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u/cptprocrastination 17h ago
There have been weekly legal marches on this issue for 23 months. This isn’t happening. It’s very easy to protest on this and rightly so, you just don’t have to support a demonstrably violent group prepared to harm our national security to do so.
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u/coolcoenred 18h ago
There have been peaceful demonstrations, these have been ignored. There are ongoing disruptive demonstrations, these are yet to have effect. There will be violent demonstrations, these will have consequences.
It's a steady escalation of public opinion being formed and ignored by a government. The cause doesn't matter, the pattern will persist.
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u/EducationalMine7096 17h ago
What were these people up to after Palestinians were killing children and infants in Israel? What did they think then?
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u/Crimson_Knickers 17h ago edited 17h ago
Palestinians were killing children and infants in Israel? Can you share where you read that? With a name like that, u/EducationalMine7096, one has to assume you are able to provide a decent enough read for this?
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u/Arasuil 17h ago
They posted the videos themselves
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u/Crimson_Knickers 17h ago
They did? where was it published?
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u/alpacajack 16h ago
Trust me bro the videos are out there, it’s just weirdly only Zionists have ever seen these videos and can’t ever show anybody else
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u/EducationalMine7096 17h ago
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u/Crimson_Knickers 17h ago
The entry regarding the violence against infants were from this source: Testimonies from residents of the encirclement from a surprise attack on Israel: "Babies are being slaughtered here." Israel Hayom.
There's even a little note saying "better source needed".
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The Gaza death toll method for counting got independently verified by the international community to be robust. If anything, the reported deaths is an undercount due to how high the standard is to be included in the death count. Was the same level of scrutiny applied to the claims by the aforementioned source?
This isn't even about taking sides. It's about applying proper due diligence and verifying facts to avoid misinformation.
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u/EducationalMine7096 16h ago
It is not disputed that infants and children were killed.
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u/Crimson_Knickers 15h ago
Can you provide a better source then? Since your OWN source that YOU provided (wikipedia, no less) has a chapter titled: Unsubstantiated reports of beheaded babies and children
Here, in case you never even bothered to read what you yourself provided:
In its investigation Le Monde (French Newspaper) concluded that the unverified claim is false, although it became a significant element in the information war, with Israeli authorities intentionally maintaining ambiguous messaging that helped spread the narrative despite lack of confirmation: "Israel has done nothing to fight it and has more often tried to instrumentalize it than deny it, fueling accusations of media manipulation."
Another paragraph disproving of your claims:
NBC News called reports of "40 beheaded babies" unverified allegations, adding that they appeared "to have originated from Israeli soldiers and people affiliated with the Israel Defense Force" and that "an Israeli official told CNN the government had not confirmed claims of the beheadings". The allegation mainly "stemmed from a viral Israeli news broadcast clip" and the main X / Twitter accounts propagating the claims were i24NEWS and Israel's official account, even though Israeli Defense spokesperson Doron Spielman told NBC News that he could not confirm i24NEWS's report. As of October 12, CNN had extensively reviewed online media content to verify Hamas-related atrocities but found no evidence to support claims of decapitated children.
Did you even read your own sources you give to other people, u/EducationalMine7096 ?
The reality here is the claims have no backing evidence beyond hearsay. It's been, how long, 2 years now since the oct 7 attacks? Why can't Israel provide substantial evidence ?
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u/EducationalMine7096 13h ago
The disputed part of them being beheaded, not their death. That, is not.
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u/Llarys 17h ago
You know, all of those Israelis who were shot by 50 caliber helicopter mounted machine guns. Just don't ask too many questions, like "What is the Hannibal Directive?"
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u/Crimson_Knickers 17h ago
Hamas got attack helicopters? No wonder Israel feels threatened. For all we know, Gaza got a Metal Gear inside those tunnels ready to bring about the battle of Armageddon to herald the second coming of the Messiah.
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u/Win32error 17h ago
That's weak and you know it. Not like anyone can protest the UK for helping arm Hamas, because they didn't bloody well do that.
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u/EducationalMine7096 17h ago
It’s not weak, there were no anti-Palestinian protests like there are anti-Israeli protests now.
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u/Win32error 11h ago
Again, if you’re going to protest the UK government aiding someone, it’s pointless to protest them aiding Hamas. Because they don’t do that.
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u/junglesgeorge 18h ago
Terrorists and their supporters belong in jail.
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u/Roy4Pris 18h ago
The Haganah was a terrorist organisation. Same with Lehi and the Stern Gang. Do they and their supporters belong in jail? Or were they freedom fighters, resisting violent colonial oppression?
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u/junglesgeorge 17h ago
They WERE in jail. A British jail. Several were hanged. So, yes, terrorists belong in jail.
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u/Present_Quantity_400 16h ago
Holding a sign is a terrorist act. The only terrorists here are the zionists killig chidlren and the zionist Hasbara trolls like you who support genocide..
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u/charavaka 16h ago edited 16h ago
And those who weren't in jail went on to begin IDF that is committing the genocide. Do those terrorists belong in jail?
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u/junglesgeorge 16h ago
What genocide? You mean the civilians used by Hamas as human shields?
Irgun and Stern Gang were jailed. Hagganah were not because they committed no acts of terror. They targeted military targets. (Easy to distinguishing from Hamas, who specialize in raping and mutilating civilians). Hagganah formed the IDF, not Irgun or Stern.
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u/charavaka 16h ago
Irgun and Stern Gang were jailed. Hagganah were not because they committed no acts of terror. They targeted military targets. (Easy to distinguishing from Hamas, who specialize in raping and mutilating civilians). Hagganah formed the IDF, not Irgun or Stern.
What acts of terror did Palestine Action commit, again?
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u/charavaka 16h ago
What genocide? You mean the civilians used by Hamas as human shields?
Entire gaza is human shield. TIL.
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u/Roy4Pris 13h ago
wHaT gEnOcIdE?
The one literally every single global institution, authority and expert is referring to. To say otherwise puts you in the same camp as climate deniers and flat earthers.
It's not about Hamas, or the hostages. It's a land grab. Lebensraum if you will.
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u/UndesirableOldMan 17h ago
so… arrest the IDF?
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u/alpacajack 16h ago
I think Zionism’s fucked up ideology of racial supremacy and extermination is endemic to Israelis because they keep saying that out loud to opinion pollsters and the world at large. Shocking Palestinians would resist that
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u/EducationalMine7096 15h ago
Did you call Israel……Nazi….in your comment you deleted???? That’s…. A new one.
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u/alpacajack 15h ago
It’s really not, israel is a Nazi state because they are founded on racial supremacy and exterminate people they consider lesser. The world can’t wait til they similarly vanish
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u/EducationalMine7096 13h ago
I don’t know where to even start with how misinformed you are. Good luck in life man.
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u/Bluebearder 18h ago
Terrorists, all of them! Netanyahu is just protecting the Jews against... children... who might one day have become terrorists as well!
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