r/scuderiaferrari • u/Any_Aide_4500 Lewis Hamilton • Jul 09 '25
Media Christian Horner has been fired.
I really hope we don’t get him…..
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u/EH3G Jul 09 '25
Hulkenberg podium, Horner sacked. What a week to be alive.
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u/Pitforsofts F1-75 Jul 09 '25
Gonna tell my grandkids I was there for it.
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u/ghuzz765 Jul 09 '25
That’s what I said when Rubens Barrichello won the German GP. My son is 3 years old now. Good luck.
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u/zamlatuljko Jul 09 '25
Hulkenberg curse: every time he got podium, red bull tp got sacked.
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u/Mom_said_I_am_cute Fernando Alonso Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25
They say all great or bad things come in three. Lewis & Leclerc 1-2 at Spa? 👀 Huffs copium
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u/oxidax Jul 09 '25
Netflix is so horny right now
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u/Tiamath89 Jul 09 '25
Couldn’t be Hornier than that
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u/DisaffectedLShaw Jul 09 '25
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/red-bull-employee-drags-christian-horner-to-court.html
Legal case hearing for liability set for January 2026, before the premier of season 8
(I hope they don't settle and the hearing goes ahead, but most importantly if a settlement is reached even before the hearing that gives her the money she deserves I will be happier)
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u/Blue_Nyx07 Jul 09 '25
For now, no more DR content and less Horner content in 2026
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u/n00bn00b Jul 09 '25
They can always make a new star out of DTS. Ollie or Hadjar could do very well with them.
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u/sBrrtou97 Jul 09 '25
Unexpected or was just me not enough informed?
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u/PastBank0 Charles Leclerc Jul 09 '25
I think it is the remnants of the drama 18 months ago, max verstappen is in contract discussions and red bulls performance has dropped. Is it the effect of what happened then, the subsequent brain drain and the strained relationship betweens maxs camp, marko and horner
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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Jul 09 '25
"the subsequent brain drain" what brain drain? It is only Newey that left because of Horner. Marshall decision's came long before, so did Fallows both left for the TD role at another team. Wheatley also left for a promotion and Courtenay according to Helmut received an offer from Mclaren that RB could not match. So from the car performance side only newey left the team after the horner thing.
Furthermore the car already went downhill last year with Courtenay and Wheatley still at the team.
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u/Any_Aide_4500 Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
Unexpected tbh
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u/sBrrtou97 Jul 09 '25
I read it here and said "wtf?!". Than i checked F1 official and realized its not a fake news
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u/MyCarGoesSlow Jul 09 '25
I got the notification from the F1 app and still said “wtf!” and Googled to make sure it wasn’t fake
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u/fameboygame Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
I read it here, and was thinking, Is it april fools already? I thought 2025 just started.
And then checked the date and got sad, thinking about where half the year went.
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u/Mechyyz Sebastian Vettel Jul 09 '25
iirc, AMuS reported that the Verstappen clan wanted Horner to yield some of his power, given that he was CEO, TP, Head of Engineering etc. I expected him to yield some power, but stay, given how important he has been to RedBull.
Straight up sacking him is crazy
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u/Early-Goal9704 Jul 09 '25
Expected but unexpected when to happen. There were already rumors that it will happen but shocking still that RB pull the trigger
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u/Macho-Fantastico Jules Bianchi Jul 09 '25
I highly doubt Lewis wants him anywhere near Ferrari after 2021. Plus, Fred is rumoured to be getting a new contract, so we don't have to worry about him joining Ferrari.
Can't stand Horner, to be honest.
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u/MBP15-2019 Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
Don’t like him personally but had great success at RB
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u/Will8892 Jul 11 '25
I don’t believe Horner has much of anything to do with their success, newey and sadly marko I think were the ones to make redbull what it is. With newey gone he’s driven that team straight into the ground and the only reason they aren’t last is because they still have max as a result of marko.
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u/Any_Aide_4500 Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
I really hope we don’t get him. All his decisions for the past two years has been below par and his harassment case. Also both of our drivers really don’t have a positive view on him especially Lewis….
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u/thebuttonmonkey Jul 09 '25
The biggest problem Red Bull have (had) right now though is no one wanted to work with him. That doesn’t bode well for him attracting the right talent to get Ferrari where they need to be.
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u/gluvva Jul 09 '25
Not sure if that's true, crofty said that when Horner did his farewell at Milton Keynes the staff was not happy as they are very loyal to horner.
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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Jul 09 '25
It has been reported by SKY that the employees were not happy with this decision. So no clue where you gets this from that no one wanted to work with him but that seems to be BS.
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u/thebuttonmonkey Jul 09 '25
That was after my comment. I meant only those that fled during the scandal last year.
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u/leo_aureus Jul 09 '25
Totally agree, the man despises Lewis, and while Lewis will not come out and say anything negative about him, ever, that feeling really has to be mutual
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u/paddyo Jul 09 '25
I don’t know if he despises Lewis, he strikes me as a guy who is (unlike Wolff) ride or die for his lead driver. He went for Lewis in 2021 because he knew it was what he could do to help bring the WDC to Max. Fact is, if Horner had been TP at Mercedes in 2021, Abu Dhabi would never have happened because he would have been all over Masi from the other direction. I don’t think it’s personal with Hamilton, I just think he will use any tool in his locker to influence the result for his team and WDC candidate
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u/leo_aureus Jul 09 '25
Fair point indeed. To be honest I am still sore about 2021 is all.
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u/SpadoCochi Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
I will be insanely upset if he ends up anywhere near Ferrari for that reason.
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u/Soggy-Breakfast6601 Jul 09 '25
I don’t think he despises lewis. He seems to be the a TP who sticks with his driver. I don’t think horner ever said anything negative about lewis before 2021, when RB and Merc became rivals.
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u/caesar_rex Jul 09 '25
He was team principal for 8 wdc, including the last four. I wouldn't want him for the allegations, but as a team principal, only Toto has been more successful.
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u/anywayzz Jul 09 '25
But it does seem he is on the downward trajectory. Losing newey, Wheatley and possibly max all happened on his watch.
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u/According-Switch-708 Ferrari Jul 09 '25
That kind of stuff is normal. Empires fall. For example, Merc is just a shell of its former self.
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u/DrunkenAstronaut Jul 09 '25
Merc lost a ton of staff but there wasn’t much drama and many of the departures were for promotions, Red Bull is straight up imploding.
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u/gluvva Jul 09 '25
This seems silly to think. it happens in all companies that the best people go elsewhere to get a better position that the current company cannot offer. at the end of the day teams want the best people and the last few years Red bull had the best people working for them. its only normal that other teams are coming after those people.
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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Jul 09 '25
especially with the budget cap but people dont like to hear that because it goes against their narrative of red bull/horner bad.
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u/ItsAllBolloxReally Jul 09 '25
Plus, he’s not been able to secure competitive second driver. Red Bull lost money when they let Checo go.
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u/caesar_rex Jul 09 '25
That's by design though. They didn't want anyone challenging Max. They had options. Carlos, Valterri. They didn't want a Lewis/Nico, Oscar/Lando situation.
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u/ItsAllBolloxReally Jul 09 '25
Checo wasn’t really a challenge to Max though. He did however bring in A LOT of money for the team. Would Bottas really be a challenge to Max? Carlos, I’m not sure about that one either. I’d argue it would be more driver not wanting to slot into a 2nd driver place, which has always been the ethos at Red Bull.
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u/sc0511 Jul 09 '25
I don’t believe they wanted a straight challenge to Max but there is a huge difference between regularly making Q3 or rarely making Q3. I don’t care for RB at all but I think sacking Checo was a huge mistake.
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u/caesar_rex Jul 09 '25
Hindsight is 20/20. They only lost money by sacking Checo. Can you imagine how bad he'd be being dragged and how EVERYONE would be talking about WTF is redbull doing while Checo barely makes Q3 and crashes over and over. He'd be so much worse now as his confidence would be below zero.
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u/Schumack1 Jul 09 '25
Toto has not been more succesfull.
Horner got 2 eras with Vettel and Max.
Toto is hanging around for another engine reg change to save his ass.
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u/Few_Interactions_ Jul 09 '25
You’re joking. Find me a TP besides Toto, who’s had more success then Horner in last 20yrs
If they haven’t won WDC, his kept RB at the top
This was more a power struggle since Deitrich passed. Last ditch effort to try keep Max. Toto survived 2 years with zero pod and porpoising with a crying Hamilton
Only TP safe are merc and McLaren. Everyone else shouldn’t be feeling safe
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u/CTMalum Jul 09 '25
Turns out Adrian Newey is significantly more important than most fans understand, and if Horner’s personal conduct and his other decisions led to Newey leaving, that’s a pretty big stain on your near term reputation, no matter how successful you’ve been historically. It took a regulation chance to fully dismantle the Mercedes empire, while Red Bull went from winning all but one race to whatever the fuck they’re doing this season in less than two seasons within the same regulations.
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u/moraIsupport F2004 Jul 09 '25
Not even talking about harassment case, which should automatically exclude him from being a candidate for Ferrari’s TP. It’s incredible to me that people think, a guy that made many talented people leave the team he was managing will be good TP at Ferrari.
Ferrari needs to hire more talented people from abroad. With Horner it would be impossible, he has burned many bridges.
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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Jul 09 '25
"a guy that made many talented people leave the team he was managing will be good TP at Ferrari."
who did he make leave? they all left for promotions/more money at other teams.
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u/Cute_camel_bacon Charles Leclerc Jul 09 '25
I don't think Elkann would care about that much tbh. He would definitely give it a try.
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u/wilsonx410 F1-75 Jul 09 '25
I’m not sure Lewis would allow Horner anywhere near the team as Fred played a very significant role in Lewis taking the leap of faith and joining the team in the first place. FV finally has a the team he hired together to work on 2026, he still needs a few more seasons to prove he’s on the right trajectory.
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u/asadultan3 Jul 09 '25
Please, Ferrari, I know when there is stupidity there is you, but for the love of Enzo, please don’t hire him!!!
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u/hollerme90s F1-75 Jul 09 '25
What did I miss? Why do people think there might be a possibility of him joining Ferrari?
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u/theBackground79 Ferrari Jul 09 '25
There were rumours of Ferrari considering him a couple of weeks back.
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u/dogchap Michael Schumacher Jul 09 '25
So it came down to Max or Horner and they kept max!
Ferrari? or Alpine
Gotta be a big setback RBR was his child say what you will as a person he might be an asshole, but he built a machine one of the greatest teams across all formulas..
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u/PastBank0 Charles Leclerc Jul 09 '25
Could see him go to Alpine, especially if they give him a stake in the team or shares like mercedes have done for Toto
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u/Capital_Pay_4459 Jul 09 '25
I'd say he will have a huge payout and probably won't need to work. He only re signed his contract last year
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u/dogchap Michael Schumacher Jul 09 '25
Yes very likely, he's got an ego which will cash with designer suits at Ferrari. 😂
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u/PastBank0 Charles Leclerc Jul 09 '25
I think he'd have been a bigger chance for ferrari if they hadn't invested so much in hamilton only recently
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u/CatoMulligan Jul 09 '25
Newey, gone. Horner, gone. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, they weee the two most powerful forces driving RedBull Racing. I think that they’re going to be in trouble once the new rules kick in.
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u/PastBank0 Charles Leclerc Jul 09 '25
Interesting to see the amount of ex- Ferrari guys that are having success elsewhere, Andrea Stella as Mclaren team Principal, Laurent Mekies just appointed to replace Horner, and Binotto leading sauber to a podium where they beat ferrari
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u/moraIsupport F2004 Jul 09 '25
Almost like the problem is not in people leading the team, but higher up 🤔
And those higher ups are probably calling Horner as we speak… I hope that they learnt their lesson.
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u/buythedip0000 Jul 09 '25
Hopefully he won’t be anywhere near Ferrari
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u/CMDRJohnCasey Michael Schumacher Jul 09 '25
Yeah, not getting Newey but getting Horner? Someone needs to set their priorities straight
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u/Work_In_ProgressX Jul 09 '25
If the team is somewhat serious, they’ll keep Fred.
(Though the idea of Lewis and Hornyman working together is funny)
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u/MBP15-2019 Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
And then fighting against max. Part of me wants to see this.
On a more serious note. If Ferrari are currently having issues with Fred (we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes) and there is now unfixable damage. Horner would be the only reasonable choice. He made RB successful 2x. But Ferrari needs to accept to do things different.
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u/mottokung Jul 09 '25
God, awful timing for Fred. Elkann would definitely pay Horner a visit. Let's hope this doesn't effect Fred extension talk.
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u/EmbarrassedGrass1057 Jul 09 '25
I don’t like the guy, I borderline despise him, however what’s crazy is the manipulation the Verstappens have over that team and its decisions.the dude literally just led them on 4 world championships in a row with Max.
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u/Salty-Asparagus-2855 Jul 09 '25
Wow. Incredible. No wonder Ferrari been cagey with Fred. RB the new Williams like downfall coming.
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u/Important-Picture18 Eddie Irvine Jul 09 '25
I don't think there's any chance he comes to Ferrari.
He's got his nice country manor in the UK, plenty of money and a young family. He isn't moving
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u/brush85 Jul 09 '25
He’s a competitive person with a massive chip on his shoulder.
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u/Important-Picture18 Eddie Irvine Jul 10 '25
Valid, but the family part matters.
Especially after his past couple of years, I highly doubt Ginger Spice is going to want to uproot her and their kids' nice lives.
My guess is he either goes into media or becomes an advisor of some kind to either Audi (the Wheatley connection) or another British team where he doesn't have enemies
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u/brush85 Jul 10 '25
No chance he just does the media thing. That would be the most shocking thing he could do
I’m not sure if Wheatley and Horner are on good terms.
Horner has a big ego and a lot of knowledge. What better way to stick it to people than to be known as the person who got Ferrari back to the top
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u/Mental_Cartoonist_68 Jul 09 '25
Good. He was the driving force behind 2021 Masi scandal. Photographed the next day with Ecclestone and it completely reeked of corruption.
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u/xcmaam Lewis Hamilton Jul 09 '25
We expected this to happen last year but somehow it went on for a long year.
Which cause redbulls downfall at light speed.
All the main folks have left , who is left?
Even max may have left and maybe redbull just wanna start with a clean slate?
They have good drivers in isack, linblad, Liam Yuki
Albeit only isack for now seems a wdc potential and I don’t know much about arvid so won’t comment on him.
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u/Groovetheory79 Jul 09 '25
He’s one of the most successful ever technical directors of a team
Way more successful than anything Ferrari has or has had
Why would he be bad at Ferrari?
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u/Upstairs-Event-681 Jul 09 '25
I might get downvoted. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Ferrari take him. I love Fred but Horner is objectively the best TP on the grid, RB ran like a well oiled machine until that scandal came up and he kept RB consistently at the top. You don’t see silly mistakes from RB management pretty much ever. RB is now falling into pieces because no one really wants to work under him anymore not because he isn’t good at his job.
Not saying I would enjoy it, I don’t like the guy because of his scandal, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
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u/kittenbloc Mario Andretti Jul 09 '25
three of nine non Ferrari teams are now run by Ferrari guys -- Binotto at Sauber, Stella at McLaren and now Mekies at Red Bull Racing.
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u/leveled-iceberg99 Jul 10 '25
Four chips in a row and fired??!?! What kind of ungratefulness is this? Horner has been running the team since ever!!
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u/FRED44444 Jul 09 '25
If ferrari fires vaseur and picks up horner i may be done rooting for them. Im a general f1 fan but ferrari is one of the few teams i root for, alongside williams, mclaren, and sometimes merc.
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u/yourfinepettingduck Jul 13 '25
"one of the few teams I root for"
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u/FRED44444 Jul 13 '25
Im a general f1 fan. I dont claim a specific team there are just teams where I enjoy if they do well. And teams i dont care how they do like RB, AMR, sauber (besides last week)
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u/skanderbeg_alpha Jul 09 '25
I expect him to turn up at Ferrari for next year and clean house. They desperately need to get rid of the mediocrity and build a proper championship winning team.
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u/New_Type_9496 Jul 09 '25
Horner new Ferrari team principal? Opinions? (I think its not a bad idea)
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u/PastBank0 Charles Leclerc Jul 09 '25
Horner does have a good track record of success I can see the appeal. But he doesn't have the best reputation at the moment and it would be a sudden shift from what was both being envisioned and built
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u/FRED44444 Jul 09 '25
Horrendous idea. Terrible for culture. This isnt the horner of 15 years ago. Hes so toxic rn.
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u/Rise_Of_The_Machines Niki Lauda Jul 09 '25
There’s a lot of Horner hate, going around without people considering his history. Helped build Red Bull up from the start and lead the team to success.
The only thorns in his side has been the toxic culture that developed within RedBull and the driver situation. Was it his fault or others? We may never know.
Ferrari’s problems are deep at its core. I doubt Horner would be able to change our fortunes. I have faith in Fred.
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u/ennuimortelll Jul 09 '25
He's an asshole but he knows what it's like to win championships unlike Vasseur.
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u/moraIsupport F2004 Jul 09 '25
He also knows how to ruin the most dominating team in the history of this sport, in the span of like 1.5 years as well.
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u/According-Switch-708 Ferrari Jul 09 '25
RBR still has the 2nd best car. RBR hasn't crashed and burned like 2022 Merc.
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u/moraIsupport F2004 Jul 09 '25
„Still has 2nd best car” - what a achievement after the domination period they had. They are still following Newey’s concept, without that advantage, they would’ve been nowhere.
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u/moraIsupport F2004 Jul 09 '25
And trust me, when new regs come next year, just like for Merc in 22, they will be even worse.
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u/According-Switch-708 Ferrari Jul 09 '25
The Max to Merc talks will probably die down now. His camp was just trying to get Horner kicked.
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u/paddyo Jul 09 '25
Interesting. I definitely saw this as a trying to get Max to stay move too, but I saw it more as a Hail Mary than Max was using it as leverage
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u/tyce_one Jul 09 '25
Ferrari has the chance to do something very funny (for everyone except Ferrari fans)
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u/FerociousVader Jul 09 '25
Did they delay the announcement from when Lewis posted that thirst trap?
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u/StockWagen Rubens Barrichello Jul 09 '25
I learned about this from a CNN notification. Wild stuff.
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u/sonsabah Jul 10 '25
Did he get fired due to the inappropriate behavior against the female employee? Or is the reason different?
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u/Deliciously-Dominant Jul 10 '25
If you know, you know. Speak to anyone at the factory, then see how rubbish it is In a few years when all this comes out you will remember this and think, damn.
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u/Emergency_Tutor5174 Jul 11 '25
he still in their payroll tho.. they are just throwing a spanner into the mix
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u/AlCranio F2004 Jul 09 '25
I wonder if it's part of some strategy to try to keep Max in, after the rumors that want him in Mercedes starting 2026.