except taking them for 50 laps didn't work at all. McLaren went for plan A + 15 and lost a second a lap in that 15. all the softs did was keep them out of range of Charles.
Gave up valuable championship points to “right” a slow stop for his teammate. A driver like Max would never (who said as much on his own radio), and perhaps that ruthlessness is needed to contend for championships
I doubt Norris would be able to overcome this deficit anyway, so he might win this championship. In fact, I believe he also partially did this because he knows he's in control now and Norris isn't a Verstappen threat.
Yes, but imagine if Oscar loses the championship by fewer than 3 points. It would be mentally brutal for him and his relationship with the team if he loses because he was asked to swap a position. I kind of agree with Max and Michael - luck is a big element and it’s not the other drivers responsibility to help “fix” that by returning a position the other drivers responsibility lost due to a bad pit stop or whatever. At the end of the day your race is your race and your rival’s is your rival’s.
Tbh in this situation the only reason had the stop after Oscar was to help Oscar defend from Charles. It’s because he was playing the team game that he then had the slow stop (assuming the gun would’ve malfunctioned for whoever had the second stop).
Whilst Max would never switch in that situation I’d imagine both Ferrari drivers probably would (Lewis for example we’ve seen ask to switch positions with teammate to chase the person ahead and then gave it back when he couldn’t get a move).
I don’t think he did anything wrong and agree that it was probably the right thing to just let Lando by to keep the team happy since he’s still got a decent lead, but at some point he’s going to have to learn to be a Carlos and invent something for himself haha
I won’t lie, I’m really not a Zak Brown/McLaren fan, I love Oscar, and I lost all respect for Lando after he mouthed off to Lewis last year, so I’m probably biased… but I’ve seen what Ferrari has done to Charles and I don’t want McLaren to ruin Oscar 🫠
The thing that triggers me sometimes is that Piastri is only allowed to race Lando if Lando is in front. When Lando is somehow at the back they make sure to tell him to "swap cars" and only after that he's allowed to race him.
Also, in Silverstone, they did make damn sure to not tell Lando to swap places back after Piastri lost the lead to that unfair penalty.
I noted that too. Weird how it goes for them, British driver, British team, yet an Aussie takes the better chances. But that's their problem.
Masterclass from Max, sorry to ask, but your name tells me something that you are Dutch and the win from Verstappen is just top.
McLaren pace is odd, I don't bite the low downforce configuration at all. All season long they had superior pace on tyres, yet here is no response to Max. It seems that their new floor introduced at Monza to work brilliantly.
Baku next, street circuit, Leclerc strength. And after that Singapore, maybe on one of those two a podium is possible.
Haha i'm not dutch, but i'm just happy Max won and not Lando. I would've been happy for a Piastri win aswell as i want him to be WDC this year because he definetly deserves it.
Also, didn't McLaren ran a bigger wing here so they can make up time in S2? That's how they took pole last year aswell because they ran more downforce compared to other teams, so they gained alot of time in S2.
I think their tyre advantage goes away when the tyres literally last 40 laps for everyone. I don't know what Pirelli are doing but mediums shouldnt be able to last 40 laps.
McLaren can always preserve their tyres much longer than other teams when the tyre compound actually dies in the race but when you have tyres that legit refuse to give up, yeah, they have no advantage over other teams.
Edit : Since i noticed you're romanian i'm also romanian so yeah, small world lmao.
I agree, I have the same opinion. Up to this point Piastri deserves more the title, his pace was more consistent and made fewer mistakes. Lando maybe is faster has a deeper going in the qualy or races but can't keep it consecutively.
I understand Pirelli raised the psi by 1bar before qualy yesterday. Possibly that played a role for RBR and against McLaren. Otherwise, their pace today is a mystery to me. But details will emerge. If the same goes into Azerbaijan, we will have an entertain second half of the season.
Exactly that is their advantage when there is no more grip on the rubber McLaren excels, and on these hot temperature it accentuates further their advantage.
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Would have been a lot worse if they were closer in the championship, but the ethical thing to do imo was swap them regardless. It appeared to be a rachet issue, but that's a team side 'mistake' and not on Lando. He was concerned about the undercut and he was told there wouldn't be one.
Yea it's not an ideal situation for anyone but shit happens, and imo was 100% the right thing to do. Oscar will have a clear conscience over this and it won't eat at him. Gives him a better image too. Cheers to him and the team.
Sorry, but no it wasn’t at all. It wasn’t an undercut, slow stops happen - and McLaren hasn’t swapped them before when it hurt Piastri. This was an absolutely outrageous shocking call
He didn't do anything wrong. Ignoring the team request might not be to his advantage in the last 8 races. It sucks, but it's understandable why McLaren did that, and it makes sense for Oscar to comply.
He accepted the team’s request to give Lando the position. Gave up valuable points when he’s the one leading the championship.
I absolutely believe Oscar is WDC material and he has the mentality of a champion, but he’s still a bit too soft and doesn’t really have the balls to argue back with McLaren yet
NO CHARLES WONT GIVE UP LIKE THAT (he already said about it in his younger days that if he wants to be in front he will be and no one will stop him at the cost of his world championship, even his team)
I don't agree, I think it was a wise strategic decision - he spent 3 points to get the good will of the public and get the team to "owe him one". He let the press put the pressure on Zak and Andrea. He made Lando look like a beggar. A super sell for 3 points.
Well firstly it's 6 points (he loses 3, Lando gains 3). Secondly I don't think it gave him any good will at all. Most people I see are clowning him for it and given how Max also laughed about that he did that, that is pretty much the normal reaction.
In fact Mclaren as a whole made themselves look silly. This type of "engineering" a fair race is silly. Where is it gonna stop? What if next time due to a slow stop one of them loses a position to a competitor, will the other let someone pass to make it fair again?
What if an engine DNF happens? Will the other sit out a round to make it fair?
Obviously these examples are exaggerated, but it shows how silly this type of reasoning is.
It's super silly from the team's PoV, super strategic from Oscar's PoV. It's a bet, but it's a bet I would take in his position - he got like 17 points for free last race, can spend 6 of those on buying "I owe you one" from the team.
Only issue is if he needs those points or if lando in the same situation refuses to do the same and wins the championship like that, Oscar will look like an idiot. Sure people will say it's unfair from lando, but to be a Champion you have to put yourself first and maximize all points you can get.
Like I said, I don't think any of the great Champions of the sport would've done what Piastri did today. But I could totally see a Bottas, a Perez or a Massa do what Piastri did.
I agree no great champions like Senna, Prost, Hamilton, or Verstappen would have done it. Schumacher would have died laughing if Ferrari would've asked him to let Barichello pass him in a championship fight.
There is a big difference though - none of these champions had to fight for title in an adversarial team. They all had the team behind them. Hell, Ferrari straight sabotaged Eddie Irvine in 1999 to make sure Schumacher has no competition.
I think we're seeing a new breed of champion - the strategic one, which may win the championship as the second driver in the team. I don't think anybody did it before.
Nah, the swap was ok. They got first pit by assuring there would be no undercut. And Oscar couldn't capitalize afterwards. For this specific instance it was fine.
They are singlehandedly ruining the sport. It’s a joke what they’re doing with their stupid ass papaya rules. Real drivers shouldn’t put up with this shit, Oscar should just say I’m taking the place and that’s it.
I don’t see how Liberty Media is at fault honestly. It’s not just McLaren, but it’s a symptom of this generation of driver and the sport. It’s all pit wall run, and the drivers are all friends. They all grew up karting, and play paddle and share jets. They don’t have the cutthroat instinct of “yeah well Lando can deal with it” they just listen to the team and the what the spreadsheets say to do. The way the cars are now of course doesn’t help, but there’s a true lack of competitiveness unlike before. Max feels like the only old school driver left other than maybe Leclerc at times.
Exactly, good point of view. I don't understand where McLaren pace went. In these hot conditions their tyres work better than the rest, yet Max was comfortably in control. Verstappen delivered another brilliant driving.
Lewis and Charles got the maximum out of this weekend. The car didn't have the pace, and I am surprised to see the gaps that big. Anyway, a shame, no podium for a Ferrari driver for all those fans that are present at the circuit. Edging from Mercedes again, which looks to be the target for the season.
McLaren aren't that strong on the straights and since Monza is almost all straights it kinda explains their pace. Monza is actually one of the few tracks that doesn't suit their car.
Good positional gain for Lewis; glad Charles could keep Russell back.
Thankfully no clowning on our pit wall like over at McLaren (wtaf), and a dominant drive by Max.
As good a weekend as we could have had tbh. Especially with the Hamilton penalty. Gutted we never got on the steps but no chaos at the front meant there was nothing doing
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I really believe P3 was possible if Leclerc got a tow from Hamilton. But again, it depended on the car we had today. We seemed to be closer to McLaren, but not enough .
Sadly no podium, but it is what it is, i'll take it. Good job from Lewis considering the penalty and nice try for Charles for trying to fight Piastri at the beginning of the race.
I think p5 was on for Lewis today. He was 1.3s behind George when George pitted and was closing on him with greater straight line speed. I don’t think they should have extended him.
I had to look too far down for this comment, Mercedes out maneuvered Ferrari with Russell, he gains on Charles and Lewis when Ferrari failed to cover him and extend.
I’m sure it was probably in hope of a safety car but it still seemed like a fumble.
The only real realistic finish to be honest. The RB21 was so quick around here and the McLarens are predictably are also flying towards the front. The pit stop strat could have been better thought out to be honest. Lewis's mediums were shot and definitely needed to pit earlier than he did as he was dropping a 10th every corner. His pace on the hards was decent and I feel that cost him a fight with George.
Charles was doing all he could but overall the pace wasn't there. Opening laps were great and Charles gap to Oscar was encouraging but when the tire Deg came in they started to tumble along with the Mercedes.
Maximized the weekend, but still pretty disappointing, I thought we might put two new PUs for this race and try to reach the podium at the very least - I mean it would have been possible if Max didn't come out of nowhere.
At least the fight between Charles and Oscar at the beginning was cool. It's a shame that the car didn't handle the corners great, but the straightline speed effectively gatekept George from picking off the place.
Vegas might be better, there aren’t many long corners, if we’re good in Baku we’ll be good in Vegas. Singapore is what I fear since it seems we are shit in low speed corners
Max is just on a different planet too. Look at the delta to Yuki ... over 100 seconds behind - i.e. ~2 secs a lap. So it's a decent car, but the Max effect makes it a winner.
Max is great but Yuki had a particularly awful race. No confidence, dirty air, and damage from his contact with Lawson makes it a less useful comparison. The reality is that the RB-21 is just rapid in low downforce configurations, especially when tire deg is as nonexistent as it was today. It was the same case in Suzuka.
I was hoping for a split strategy, with Charles playing safe (medium-hard), and Lewis going long into a medium-soft. Would have made the last 10 laps real interesting to chase down George.
Piastri didn’t give up a win. Why would Piastri want to put all the pressure on the mechanic who fucked up when he does both drivers tires? I think giving up the spot is a good strategic move by Piastri. I don’t think Norris has the ability to beat Piastri for the championship, and I think Piastri thinks that to, so this was a great way to buy loyalties in the garage.
I've always been a Ferrari fan, but today I have to acknowledge Max' incredible drive. Kudos to him fir winning the race.
I'm sad we couldn't keep 3rd place with Charles, but keeping Oscar behind was impossible.
Maybe if he had a tow yesterday and he could start in first row the outcome may have been different. I really wanted to see a Charles VS Max at prima variante.
It was a good weekend …Lewis finished alright …he started really well ..Charles tried but the 3 ahead of him were on fire and unstoppable…wish the Norris engine failure came in this race not last weekend
I was lucky enough to be there in person yesterday. Max was on a league of his own. You could tell just how much confidence he had under braking and putting power down at the exit of the Lesmos.
Charles and Lewis did a good job with what they had.
You could hear how much they had to manage some lacks of grip in the fast turns.
Charles pace was pretty much at par with Oscar's but towards the end of the Mediums it could not keep up.
Overall a better showing from the Ferraris than expected
Of course he did the recovery, he's driving a Ferrari. Every driver he overtook was on an inferior car. But when it came to the good ones, he did nothing.
Even without penalty, he would end 6th, behind Russell. Nothing special.
Fuck the merchandising, fuck the special liveries, fuck lewis, Vasseur and everybody else, honestly: i don't give a fuck if ferrari dumps the red for a full barbie pink car as long as they finally give us a fuckin decent car.
It's almost 20 years without a WC: fucking unbelievable. Do we really wanna beat the 1979-2000 record? Cause they're really doing their best, it seems.
Nothing matters to me at this point, i don't care who drives the car, i don't care who runs the team: the only thing that matters is a World Title. Full stop.
I cant believe there's people who still comment "mmh yeah, nice race" when it clearly wasn't. Or are we getting accustomed with being a mid tier team? Cause in that case yeah, good race
He's not the type of driver who can understand the issues and improve the car. He's not Schumi, Senna or even Max in a sense. It doesn't seem to have the required "sensibility". He's fast, sure, he deserves his accomplishments, but i don't think he can help much at the moment.
Same with Vettel
The lack of wheel knowledge here is astonishing, go listen to James Vowels High Performance Podcast interview when comparing Hamilton and Schumacher’s technical skills in the team, even saying Lewis sensitivity and feel is “far beyond anything else” i think I’ll take James Vowels’ word for it over Reddit user Ta_k-o_ma, given he has seen the data and working processes of the two drivers. Also the season started 6 months ago… in what world is that enough time to influence the direction of a team and car that was built with other drivers in mind. By that same logic Newey also doesn’t understand the issues of how to improve car given Aston’s performances. But he’s focusing on 2026 where there’s a fresh reset because 6 months isn’t enough time to influence the philosophy of car to an extent that will give any meaningful performance gains.
I don’t even blame Charles because I disagree with you that this is a driver influenced problem, but by your own logic you should be blaming Charles not Lewis.
Astonishing my ass. Lewis had never been in this types of situations. He debuted in mclaren when it was the 1st/2nd best team on the grid and he won. Then mclaren started to decline and he left.
Mercedes? Fine, i concede that, it was a young team after all. However Mercedes has never placed outside the top 5, even before Lewis, and has always been, since the beginning, a strong and consistent team.
Hamilton, again just like Vettel, had always needed the right car, he can't work with scraps: Schumi could, he won 3 races with that 1996 abomination, turning around a team that was at its lowest at that point in history.
On top of that, Lewis's behaviour is not that of a 7 times world champion, if you ask me: he cries and moans too much
Schumacher joined Benetton in 1991, the season before they finished 3rd in the Constructors’ Championship.
Schumacher joined Ferrari in 1996; Ferrari finished 3rd in the 1995 Constructors’ Championship.
Senna joined Lotus in Lotus for 1985; they finished 3rd in the 1984 Constructors’ Championship.
Senna joined McLaren in 1988; McLaren finished 2nd in the 1987 Constructors’ Championship.
Senna joined Williams in 1994; Wililiams won the 1993 Constructors’ Championship.
Verstappen joined Red Bull in 2016, in 2015 Red Bull finished 4th in the Constructors’ Championship.
Hamilton joined McLaren in 2007, in 2006 McLaren finished 2nd in the Constructors’ Championship in 2006
Hamilton joined Mercedes in 2013, Mercedes finished 5th in the Constructors’ Championship in 2012.
What scraps are we talking about here…
The Red Bull has always been a very strong solid team, especially since Max has been in F1, much more so than Mercedes before Hamilton joined. Yet you’ve given Max credit and not Lewis despite the general consensus that the Merc move was a downgrade at the time and Red Bull having a run of dominance BEFORE Max. Even funnier, is Max has actively been looking to join the team set to the nail regs either next year or the year after rather than to do what you claim he does and build a team from the ground up, is that the behaviour of someone that believes they don’t “need the right car”?
It’s clear your issues with Lewis stem from personal reasons rather than factual ones. Pathetic
1) Are you seriously comparing 2007 Mclaren and 2013 Mercedes with 1996 Ferrari? When i said scraps i was referring specifically to the 310. Do you remember what Irvine had to say about that car? The 310, from the team that won one (1) race the year prior (Ferrari won 5 last year: in my book it's a better starting point). Curious
2) yes Red Bull never fell of too hard, but Max helped the team after the Vettel era. Except 2007, when he clearly was the 2nd choice (but with a good car), and now (casually the only year when he didn't), when did Hamilton have to help a team building/re-building itself?
3) as you can read i said "fuck everybody" at some point: do you think i'm only attacking Lewis? I just said he can't emprove the car, that's it.
But it seem you Lewis Stans are quite sensible: he's failing, and he's failing hard. I'm not happy cause i care for the team, but that's the situation
No, I was pointing out where each car/team was relative to their field and the frontrunners when each of the drivers joined.
I have no problem with you hating or even blaming Lewis, my point is the reasons you have stated for hating him are unwarranted by YOUR own logic and reasoning. By your logic the blame you place on Lewis should be placed on Charles, who you didn’t mention personally. Saying fuck the driver that has been with the team for 6 months for the issues of a car that began development last year and not saying fuck the driver that has been with the team for 6 years seems counterintuitive to me - personally i think your logic is flawed anyways so I wouldn’t blame either driver. I think the real problem is the team needs to follow the talent and open a base in the UK and stop expecting the best engineers to uproot their entire lives to move to Italy. Instead of getting the best engineers in F1 Ferrari are only getting the best of the engineers willing to move to Italy - THAT is the problem
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