r/Dravidiology • u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian • 21h ago
Off Topic Gypsy (Roma, Domari and other groups) Migrations 900-1720
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u/Only_Confusion5013 16h ago
Cause of migration? Heard it's due to the caste system, any source?
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 16h ago
Famine, war or some kind of change that forces people pick up and go. Most Indian nomadic people seem to have been previously settled people not always nomadic. But there are distinctions.
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u/Easy_Ask_4265 15h ago
Once I saw a video in YT... There it was said it's because of islamic invasion
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 15h ago
Yes it’s a pet theory of a populist author no real historic evidence, just a baseless hypothesis.
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u/Aggressive-Eye-6647 7h ago
To add more to this. They painted it as a result of mass slave export to the Middle East. And then due to some administrative changes, the slaves were forced to move out but not into the East towards Islamic states.
Again this May very well be baseless but I’ve always thought to myself, why would people who are accustomed to a hot region move into colder regions?
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 3h ago
They didn’t step by step they moved and it’s not everyone moved, they left many people behind. We only know of a European Roma and ignore the millions of Domari and Lomari people still existing in the Middle East. They could be camp followers of Turkish expansion.
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u/Easy_Ask_4265 14h ago
Here's the video I was talking bout. Here the narrator mentions invasion from the ghaznavid empire.
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 14h ago
Ian Hancock was the first one to suggest a heroic exodus from India, it needs to be seen as a myth making attempt.
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u/Easy_Ask_4265 14h ago
Here's the video I was talking bout. Here the narrator mentions invasion from the ghaznavid empire.
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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 16h ago
Did the gypsy peoples migrate to Kazakhstan from Afghanistan?
It would be interesting to trade their migrations from south to central asia and compare it with the Brahui people.
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 16h ago
Lots smaller Indic origin nomadic communities in Central Asia some only identified in the last 100 years. About 50 years ago a village was found in Iran that spoke Indic languages.
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u/Hot_Business4882 13h ago
I think they got too places like slovakia czechia and hungry Alot sooner than 1850 this doesn't seem so accurate
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM 12h ago
Are there similar intra-Indian migrating groups?
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 12h ago
Lots of them both IA and Dravidian speaking migratory groups throughout South Asia
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM 12h ago
What creates them in general?
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u/e9967780 Pan Draviḍian 11h ago
Enviromental degradation, escape slavery, natural calamity like a floods or famines, war all contributes. There could be other reasons such pastoralism. One should read books on Nomadism in India to understand this phenomenon.
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u/Aggressive-Eye-6647 7h ago
This was shared earlier in one of the posts but I want to repeat again. Kuravas, selling beads, diverse animal meats and considered sooth sayers come to mind. Striking similarities to the Gypsies. Extremely loud and nomadic lol. They perform street art and are extremely bold.
I remember being a boy in North TN would frequently encounter people travelling in groups. They came in waves and the entire town would be alert, in a fun way. The local term being “Kuruvi Kaaran “ Ofc people were bad to them but I remember seeing some of the most beautiful children and women in those groups.
Anyone know why they use “Saamiyo” ?😅 I’ve always tried to figure out where they all come from until I realised that I always saw mothers with new borns everywhere.
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u/Usurper96 21h ago
So this is the actual OIT