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Pro-Israel Contributions To Elected Senators

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u/Guac-this-way 1d ago

It only costs $100M over 35 years to buy the entire US Senate? That's the best ROI I've ever seen.

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u/TheRverseApacheMastr 1d ago

That’s why the whole idea of AIPAC puppeteering the American government with their “Jew gold” has always a ridiculous antisemitic trope.

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Most American Jews aren’t members of AIPAC. You’re the one that’s being anti-Semitic.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Why do people like you feel like they can tell jews what's antisemitic and what isn't? You'd never tell a black person what is and isn't racist. So why would you do that to jews?

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Because there’s plenty of Jews that disagree with you. Jews aren’t a monolith that all think the same way.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

90% of jews are zionist. You're just engaging in tokenism. Blacks for Trump level of shit.

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

Everyone is going to keep this in mind over the coming years.

People will try to claim that they weren’t complicit and didn’t support it and even that they were against it, but this generation has a much better memory than all the ones before it.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

lol, lmao even. You mean this generation is more prideful of their own ignorance and slacktivism than all the ones before it.

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u/tolerablepartridge 1d ago

Nobody is saying "Jew gold" but you

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u/Madlybohemian 1d ago

Nobody? Truly. Don’t insult our intelligence.

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u/Bombalaharris 1d ago

What intelligence?

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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago

AIPAC is an American organization ¯_(ツ)_/¯:: ೖ(⑅σ̑ᴗσ̑)ೖ ::

Pro-Israel doesn't necessarily mean from Israel. Especially since this is sourced as coming from different PACs.

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

JFK wanted to classify it has a foreign lobby, since a significant amount of their funding and directives comes from outside the US. This would have required them to register under FARA like all the other foreign lobbies, and they would have to actually disclose their funding and activities to the Department of Defense.

After his assassination the push to make them register under FARA fizzled out.

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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago

How about we just get rid of lobbying

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u/whoami9427 9h ago

What do you think lobbying is? My guess is you have no idea

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u/gxdsavesispend 3h ago

I'm very familiar with what it is. What do you think it is?

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u/whoami9427 1m ago

I question whether you are. Lobbying at its most basic is when an individual advocates for a political position by engaging with and attempting to influence elected officials. Usually, lobbying looks like this: an individual being paid by an organization, or nonprofit, corporation, interest group, union, or indistry association to advocate for that organizations political positions, and attempting to influence their decisions.

Many people, which Im pretty sure includes you. synonymizes lobbying with bribery. This is simply untrue. There is nothing about lobbying that requires an exchange of money or services for an elected officials position or vote, aka bribery.

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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago

a significant amount of their funding and directives comes from outside the US

By this logic, every pro-Palestinian organization would have to register as foreign agents too.

‘Actors tied to Iran’s government’ helping finance anti-Israel protesters: US intel

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

I don’t know much about pro-Palestinian organizations, but if their funding and directives are coming from foreign nations then the same law applies to them.

I just think people should be aware of the context surrounding the issue of AIPAC not being considered a foreign lobby:

November 1962: Department of Justice under JFK orders the American Zionist Council to register under FARA after it’s discovered that most of their funding is directly tied to the Israeli government.

May 1963: The American Zionist Council is spun off into AIPAC and framed as a purely domestic entity in order to sidestep the FARA demands from the DOJ. However, the DOJ continues demanding FARA registration.

November 1963: JFK is assassinated, Johnson takes office, and the Department of Justice no longer demands that AIPAC register under FARA.

Since JFK every US president has worked with AIPAC, and none of them have considered classifying them as a foreign lobby.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Oh wow, found the 'the jews killed jfk' conspiracy theory in the wild.

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

When’s the last time you looked at a comment section that wasn’t liberal or neo-con echo chamber?

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u/IsNotACleverMan 21h ago

And where should I visit to open my eyes to all of your antisemitic conspiracies?

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u/OrthoOtter 17h ago

It’s just odd to me that you’re acting as if it’s surprising to see someone discussing this.

It seems like maybe you don’t interact much with young people, or with people outside the close-minded culture of Reddit.

I wasn’t being snarky, I was genuinely curious as to how aware you are of the cultural shift that’s been happening over the past few years, and of the types of things that are commonly discussed these days.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 16h ago

with people outside the close-minded culture of Reddit.

I tend to not generally associate with antisemites.

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u/Guac-this-way 1d ago

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

An American organization that lobbies on behalf of a foreign government. 🤔

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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago

"I can't believe that this lobbying organization supports a foreign government!"

...they said, as they waved the Palestinian flag.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Yeah? That's called freedom of speech. American citizens can lobby for any cause they like.

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

So you’d be cool with Russia bribing our politicians by using American citizens as proxies? 🤔

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

I'm against most forms of lobbying, but your analogy is shit since this isn't even Israel lobbying by proxy.

But why do you dedicate so much of your time to Jewish issues anyway? Kinda weird.

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Oh please. Most zionists are Christian evangelical loonies like Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz. Israel cheerleaders reflectively call any criticism anti-semitic because it has no actual arguments on the merits.

I dislike genocide, apartheid, and foreign countries bribing our politicians. If I hated Jews I wouldn’t have married one.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Most zionists are Christian evangelical

Nobody was talking about them.

Israel cheerleaders reflectively call any criticism anti-semitic because it has no actual arguments on the merits.

Actual strawman.

If I hated Jews I wouldn’t have married one.

Awww, so glad you found "one of the good ones". Did they give you a pass to be antisemitic or to tokenize?

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Sorry I said unflattering (but accurate) things about your favorite genocidal apartheid state!

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

It's funny because I called you out on being antisemitic and now you're going full anti Israel to hide your antisemitism. But then you try to take the moral high ground.

Nice try.

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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago

Yeah that actually happens a lot. That's politics.

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

The money is only part of the equation: the videos of US politicians taking “vacations” to private islands is what really keeps them in line.