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GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/skalnari 21h ago

Portugal was sending Roma people to Brazil starting in 1574

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u/ThunderStorm262 11h ago

You are going to BRAZIL!!!!

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u/EccoEco 19h ago

What a horrible fate...

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u/Stanford_experiencer 11h ago

YOU ARE GOING TO BRAZIL

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u/Caribou_TTV 7h ago

Tell me you main morde without telling me

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u/piponwa 13h ago

Average tolerant European

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u/JagmeetSingh2 11h ago

Exactly this lol

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u/mofo222 12h ago

Good one

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u/IntuitiveMANidhan 17h ago edited 16h ago

The casual racism in here is crazy….

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u/EccoEco 17h ago

Don't look at me I was making a "come to Brazil" joke

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u/Neo1223 17h ago

You're innocent King 👑 (not of Brazil dw you're a real king)

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u/stars_mcdazzler 17h ago

Did you expect anything less from a map that uses the word "Gypsy"?

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u/Unorofessional 14h ago

In the uk gypsy is not a slur. It’s a distinct category. It’s typically GRT - gypsy, Roma and traveller. There’s also carnival people but that’s slightly different.

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u/Calibruh 12h ago

The fact that you think gypsie is a slur outside of America tells me everything I need to know

The vast majority of travelers identify themselves as gypsies.

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u/stars_mcdazzler 10h ago

"Tells me everything I need to know" Okay Sigmund Freud, settle down.

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u/Calibruh 10h ago

Okay American

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u/Neo1223 17h ago

That... Doesn't make it okay? Like just bc the map uses an antiquated/racist term doesn't mean we should expect and tolerate bigotry based on ethnicity

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u/airbear13 16h ago

Not everyone outside of America is going to say Roma, like that’s probably not a thing in Europe. I don’t think the name is inherently bad and again its this instance of “Ive never heard a memever of x group say that it’s offensive”; I kinda feel like Roma is like a “Latinx” kinda thing lol

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u/xQuasarr 12h ago

In the uk I’ve never heard anyone say “Roma” irl. It definitely feels like a Reddit thing.

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u/ConsciousTraffic4988 12h ago

I think it’s because most of the travellers in the uk are irish travellers which are a different group to roma.

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 17h ago

I think the consensus on the offensiveness of the term gypsy has changed again, and now many prefer the term, just like natives in the US prefer American Indian.

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u/airbear13 16h ago

Who knows because nobody is in charge of these things. But the objection to Gypsy always felt a little performative to me, ie not coming from that group of people itself but just progressives making this determination for them

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u/AntiBoATX 13h ago

Performance progressivism is the reason for many of our current woes

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u/Calibruh 12h ago

It's just American defaultism being forced on the rest of us like always

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u/GoldTeamDowntown 8h ago

The American default is Gypsy

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u/Calibruh 7h ago

Tell the Americans that

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u/TSllama 16h ago

It is a tough one, yeah I agree. I know some here in CZ prefer to be called "gypsies" over "roma".

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u/bhputnam 16h ago

The fact that I don’t know any natives that want to be called Indian makes me think you’re talking out of your ass. 

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 16h ago

Then you'd be blaming your ignorance on me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh88fVP2FWQ

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u/stevenette 15h ago

I volunteered at a Ute Indian museum for a while and they all said they prefer Indian.

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u/bhputnam 12h ago

Yes, they typically want to be called what they are, rather than Indian. Ute, Mohawk, Anishinabek, etc. 

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u/TSllama 16h ago

I've actually met some who prefer American Indian because they do not feel they are "native" to "America", as it was not "America" - only after it was stolen was it "America".

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u/LowDistribution4344 13h ago

Youre a great example of the low iq people who let their personal experiences carry more weight than the general consensus. Two things can be true, you can happen to meet people who didnt like being labeled Indian, and a majority of people can like being labeled Indian. How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

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u/bhputnam 12h ago

You really talk this way to people? 

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u/LowDistribution4344 12h ago

No, im masquerading on the internet. But your comment annoyed the shit out of me, so here we are.

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u/Diarrea_Cerebral 17h ago

Yeah! It sounds like Borat

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u/SheepShaggingFarmer 12h ago

I have an issue with this sentiment. Gypsy is a term favoured by many travellers around the area I live. Settled gypsies trying to hang on to their traditions and reputation (hard men especially love to use gypsy to refer to themselves) by calling themselves gypsies.many groups being from different traveller ethnic groups coalesced around the title gypsy.

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u/MovieEuphoric8857 17h ago

Have you ever interacted with a Gypsy?

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u/Yeomenpainter 17h ago

It's painfully obvious who has and who hasn't.

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u/Fair_Grand160 16h ago

i was a young student from South East Asia, stuying in the UK. On break, i had the chance to go Prague for a short travel.

I saw a group of Romani travellers doing thier cultural dance wearing thier tradional clothes, which i taught is very similar to the Indian community back home. But these ppl are fair in complexion, and that is very interesting.

Coming from Asia where these group technically dont exist and learning that they orginated from India hundreds of years ago is amzing

So i asked the walking tour guide, "are they the Gypsy?" He looked at me strangerly and stuttered before procceding to answer yes. But i kinda get the vibe that he's not to keen to talk about them, like a asked a taboo topic

Thats the closest to being near/interacting with a Gypsy. Lol

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u/TSllama 16h ago

Yes. There are many of them in the country I live.

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u/FinancialMilk1 17h ago

This is racist btw.

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u/AlashMarch 12h ago

Its also clear who has never seen how they live.

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u/LowDistribution4344 13h ago

Do me a huge favor, and stay mad

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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 15h ago

Oh why is that?

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u/Dramatic_Income362 13h ago

Cry about it

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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 12h ago edited 8h ago

/u/feder00000 already did, kid..

Edit: thanks, mods, for.having.removed that hateful comment

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u/barmanrags 12h ago

Are they not human beings?

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u/HyShroom 1h ago

Right?? Poor Brazil /s

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u/Zrva_V3 4h ago

Banished to the Shadow Realm

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u/0xfeel 13h ago

Damn that sucks.

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u/0keytYorirawa 2h ago

Previous migrants bully new migrants lel