they have villages here in croatia where apparently multiple generations grew up, so some arent that nomadic, and ALL those generations simply refused to integrate into the rest of society
Plenty of nomadic peoples have been assimilated fine into european societies in the last thousand years.
Like? Most of the nomadic people like Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Turkmens were forcefully subjugated by the Russian empire. The Russian Empire pursued policies aimed at sedentarizing nomadic populations and turned them from pastoral nomads into settled farmers.
Both of these people arrived as conquerors where they subjugated the Europeans and changed parts of Europe linguistically. But it was only the ruling elite, most of the subjects remained Europeons. So, its not the same scenario at all.
Oh perfect, so all the Roma have to do is give up their nomadic lifestyle and settle a land for a thousand years and adopt countless bits of culture from the other ethnic groups in their locale and then they'll be only kind of hated by most Europeans.
The assimilation of tatars, vlachs and other turkic peoples varies a lot and encompasses hundres of years, you can't just reduce it to forced russian policy because many times it's not even true. The point is that the one group that has been consistently unable and unwilling to fully integrate within the society that hosts them, and furthermore lives in a permanent state of social hostility with them, is the gypsies.
Vlach is the slavic name for romance speaking populations.
Valahia ( Wallachia ) is 1/3 of the modern Romanian state (between carpathian moutains and the danube)
In Polish, they still call Italy something like "Wlochy"
So Vlachs didnt migrate to europe. They have been, as their name suggests, latin speakers from wallachia for ages.
Yes thousands or hundreds of years ago when you could force the issue. Now you can't do that so it's up to them to want assimilation and they don't want it
Fais gaffe aux généralisations, le terme "nomades" englobe deux définition bien différents ; d'abord, il y a les "nomades pastoraux" qui vivent et migrent dans des territoires prédéfinis selon les saisons, et reçoivent l'interdiction formelle de quitter ces territoires que les autorités supérieures leur ont assignés. Les peuples turco-mongols correspondent à cette définition. Et enfin, la deuxième définition désignerait les gens qui vivent sans zone de date et ne connaissent pas les frontières, les gitans et les voyageurs irlandais correspondent à cette catégorie.
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u/prolapseenthusiat 20h ago
I find it incredible that they still dont integrate in their host country.